@@IsaacPuntsit’s not a joke, but if your offense can’t get to midfield, you have more opportunities to kick further without getting touchbacks. That’s the problem with judging punting on distance alone
They also have had some iconic/great kickers over their years: George Blanda(Kicker and QB during his time with the Raiders), Sebastian Janikowski, and now Daniel Carlson. Raiders and special teams is something they've always had.
These past 20+ years by the Raiders have been a prime example that fantastic punting does not equate to winning. In other words, the offense and defense have failed the Raiders’ special teams unit year after year since 2002.
I am a huge Raiders fan for life. I sometimes find myself upset that the Raiders offense is bad enough to even allow a punter to have the chance to get a 50 yard average. I guess I’ll put it this way: Put AJ Cole on Brady’s Pats and AJ is an average yardage punter because he wouldn’t have the chance to launch bombs
Maybe the Chargers could've borrowed the Raiders' special teams units for the 2010 season. Number one overall offense, number one overall defense, team finished 7-9 and missed the playoffs.
@@kayleighlehrman9566damn dude. Brought back memories of watching football that time period. That chargers team was insane! But they failed at winning those big games
His personality ended his career. He was kicked off the Raiders cause he pissed off the locker room. Remember when he took that picture with Aqib Talib making fun of Crabtree and the necklace incident? Bruce Irvin almost beat his ass during that whole drama. Soon after he was off the team. No punter is worth a locker room cancer.
@@schmuckytheraiderbear5043 King serves as a good lesson for any punter that no matter how good you are, the position is seen as easily replaceable. Most coaches will take an average punter who doesn't hurt the locker room or take unnecessary penalties over a good punter who does.
this video makes me wonder how punting on 4th down became normalized and whether team roster sizes were embiggened specifically for punters/kickers, great vid! Way to make punting interesting
I think we are just seeing the beginning of Green Bay with QBs. Before farve got there they didn't have anyone since Superbowl was invented. But still almost 30 years is nothing to sneeze at
Lifelong Raiders fan, literally born and placed into a raiders carrier when I was brought home ,& the only jerseys ive ever bought are Lechler Carlson King & Michael Bush (if you know you know)
@@TheDreadedRaider TBF to Herbert, while I do think he was put on a pedestal way too early, he hasn't exactly had the greatest coaching situation to start a career with. Even if you like the coaches he's had(I mean, OCs & QB coaches aside, Staley didn't help...), he's going to be on his 4th OC/QB coaching change in 5 years this season. That's what killed Alex Smith's career, dude had 6 different OC/QB coaches in his first 7 seasons; unreal. No player can develop like that, especially a QB. This is the problem with the "first round bust" conversation, many of these players have their potential wasted by awful coaching and may have developed into something special with the right coaching. But that's the league.
Isaac (or anyone else reading this), can you help me find info about a memorable punt I have never forgotten since seeing it on TV in my childhood? I'm 99% sure it was Ray Guy - at least that's what I remembered through the decades. It had the weirdest bounce ever - it landed right on the goal line, bounced straight up and landed on the goal line again, over and over until it laid to rest on the goal line. I thought I remembered it as having been nicknamed (by the announcer or some reporter afterwards) "A Bean Too Much", because if it had been just inches shorter, it would have been a weird miracle punt instead of a touchback. Whether I remember the nickname correctly or not, I would think it would have made its way onto the internet as something fascinating, but I have searched for it several times in multiple ways and never found a peep about it. Perhaps you can find it, since you are great at digging into the history of punting.
Marquette King's personality ended his career. He was kicked off the Raiders cause he pissed off the locker room. Remember when he took that picture with Aqib Talib making fun of Crabtree and the necklace incident? Bruce Irvin almost beat his ass during that whole drama. Soon after he was off the team. No punter is worth a locker room cancer.
Thanks for sharing. I remember watching Ray Guy on television growing up. He was phenomenal. I can't think of another team with the string of punting greats the Raiders have had. Shawn R., Mo-Mutt Music/Sacred & Secular (and football fan)
Giants probably had the best decade for a LB room ever from 1981-1990. Between Lawrence Taylor, Harry Carson, and Carl Banks they combined for 18 pro bowls, 5 second team all pros, 9 first team all pros, 2 hall of famers, and Lawrence Taylor was defensive rookie of the year, three time defensive player of the year, and won an MVP.
You can even go back a bit further as well, remember Carson was drafted in the 1970s during the Wilderness Era and there was Van Pelt. Probably among the few things they did right in the draft during that period.
Also Fullbacks are an underrated spot on our rosters. I mean today there like 24 fullbacks. Former Raiders make up a good spot of them. Alec Ingold, Jakob Johnson, Jason Cabinda (was an LB for us), Jamize Olawale, Keith Smith…
For what's its worth as a raider fan we never worry about our kickers and punters they turn out good but the problem is you cant win football games on kicks and punts alone.
Could you make a video talking about the different types of punts that you listed in the video? Thought everyone just tried to bomb it as hard as they could until today. Id just wanna see something with some examples maybe and a brief description. I know it's a lot to ask but figured I would anyways 😁 if you read this thanks for your time!
Raider fan here I seen at lot of terrible offensive play so many 4th downs we punt so much that our punters had no other choice but to be great even today Aj Cole is one of the best punters in the league and our kicker be great to cause we rarely score TDs
King could also run fakes or salvage bad snaps into 1st downs running. To your question Green Bay with QB's and Steelers with coaches is the only groups I can think about off the top of my head.
Pittsburgh Steelers Coaches is the only thing I can think of off the top of my head. I'm 40. There have been 3. Likely for you there have only been 2 in your lifetime lol
Vikings on wrs Carter moss Thielen harvin diggs Jefferson Packers on qb is obvious to look into I’m thinking rams RBs but don’t feel like looking it up but you know the rams have had running backs
I get this channel geeks out over punters, and while Ray Guy was truly great, simply put, using a First Round Pick on a punter is absolutely insane. As good as Mr. Guy was, there is a concept in economics called Opportunity Cost at play here. They aren't just selecting Ray Guy. The Raiders are NOT selecting lots of other talented players. How much yardage does Ray Guy get you every week? 20 yards more than a replacement level punter? 40? No punter in the world is worth the talent you are giving up by drafting him. Three Hall of Famers were undrafted behind him: WR Drew Pearson, OG Joe DeLamielluere, and some QB from Oregon named Dan Fouts. Just the CHANCE to get any of those guys in the draft would be better than drafting a punter. It's like Devin Hester. Okay, fine. You have to put him in the Hall of Fame? Last time I checked, TDs on returns are worth the same as other TDs. Every yard Mr. Guy saves you is just one yard. Yes, Special Teams are important, but let's not get crazy here. It's still the third most important unit of a team, and it always will be.
Well they won three Super Bowls from 76 to 83 so i would say it turned out alright, they were loaded already when they drafted Guy and that was the era before free agency and the salary cap so keeping your talent was easier back then.
@@Mr.MikeBarksdale Aging Ken Stabler? In 1973? Ken Stabler won the MVP that season. lol It was also his first full year as starter and yeah, he was better than Fouts. Who the hell was Fouts in '73? Chargers didn't catch on until years later. His supporting HOF teammates were, Otto, Upshaw, Shell, Brown, Biletnikoff, and Branch.
Hey, Mr. Narrator, I know you're probably not shaving yet; but if you're posting videos about the Raiders, you just CANNOT butcher the pronunciation of John Matuszak. Hint: His nickname was "The Tooz." You pronounced it, "John MATIZIK. He's Raiders royalty. So, say it like, "MA-TOOZ-AK!!!" :-)
I think King would have worked out if our HC was like AP. But I also agree that you can't be giving up penalties as a punter. Especially excessive celebration penalties 😂
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Lifelong, 45+ year Raider fan. The main reason our punters are so amazing is we give them so many chances to punt. 😞
Congrats on being the first one to make this joke, as I was writing this script I knew someone would
So did Cleveland and Detroit and I can't think of one person who kicked for them.
@@IsaacPuntsit’s not a joke, but if your offense can’t get to midfield, you have more opportunities to kick further without getting touchbacks. That’s the problem with judging punting on distance alone
@@stephen_csabsolutely correct
Practice makes perfect 😅
The Shane Lechler and Seabass Janikowski combo was lethal
They also have had some iconic/great kickers over their years: George Blanda(Kicker and QB during his time with the Raiders), Sebastian Janikowski, and now Daniel Carlson. Raiders and special teams is something they've always had.
If only Daniel’s brother was any good
These past 20+ years by the Raiders have been a prime example that fantastic punting does not equate to winning. In other words, the offense and defense have failed the Raiders’ special teams unit year after year since 2002.
I am a huge Raiders fan for life.
I sometimes find myself upset that the Raiders offense is bad enough to even allow a punter to have the chance to get a 50 yard average.
I guess I’ll put it this way: Put AJ Cole on Brady’s Pats and AJ is an average yardage punter because he wouldn’t have the chance to launch bombs
Maybe the Chargers could've borrowed the Raiders' special teams units for the 2010 season. Number one overall offense, number one overall defense, team finished 7-9 and missed the playoffs.
@@kayleighlehrman9566damn dude. Brought back memories of watching football that time period. That chargers team was insane! But they failed at winning those big games
@@kayleighlehrman9566 One of the most unreal seasons of all time😂
Well Lechler definitely got plenty of punting reps with that 2006 Raiders offense.
Ray Guy was One of Greatest Punter / Hall of Famer, May He R.I.P.
Marquette king was also crazy fast. There were so many trick plays that were possible. I never understood why his career ended so quickly.
His personality ended his career. He was kicked off the Raiders cause he pissed off the locker room.
Remember when he took that picture with Aqib Talib making fun of Crabtree and the necklace incident? Bruce Irvin almost beat his ass during that whole drama. Soon after he was off the team. No punter is worth a locker room cancer.
@@schmuckytheraiderbear5043 wow, I totally forgot about that. Thanks for the reminder.
It dosent help that apparently Broncos coaching staff was trying to get him go change the way he punts and it gave him some sort of hip issue
@@schmuckytheraiderbear5043 King serves as a good lesson for any punter that no matter how good you are, the position is seen as easily replaceable. Most coaches will take an average punter who doesn't hurt the locker room or take unnecessary penalties over a good punter who does.
I might have been waiting my whole life as a Raider fan and Ray Guy fan for this video.
this video makes me wonder how punting on 4th down became normalized and whether team roster sizes were embiggened specifically for punters/kickers, great vid! Way to make punting interesting
Now *this* is what I subscribed for
I’m surprised the raiders let the bears take that Iowa punter this year in the draft
You don't draft a punter when you already have the best one in the league.
We have AJ Cole we don't need a punter.
Similarly Green Bay has had an insane run with their QBs.
I would agree, maybe not as dominant as the Raiders punter stretch but consistently a top ~5 QB for like 50 years is no joke
I think we are just seeing the beginning of Green Bay with QBs. Before farve got there they didn't have anyone since Superbowl was invented. But still almost 30 years is nothing to sneeze at
I may be a big chargers fan and thus a big Raiders hater, but man do I love their specialists.
As an unbiased Bengals fan, I agree
When is LA going to realize Herbert sucks?
Hey:
I’m a Raiders fan. And I’ll say:
Darin Bennett was fun to watch. Scifres actually massacred us one game about a decade ago.
Lifelong Raiders fan, literally born and placed into a raiders carrier when I was brought home ,& the only jerseys ive ever bought are Lechler Carlson King & Michael Bush (if you know you know)
@@TheDreadedRaider TBF to Herbert, while I do think he was put on a pedestal way too early, he hasn't exactly had the greatest coaching situation to start a career with. Even if you like the coaches he's had(I mean, OCs & QB coaches aside, Staley didn't help...), he's going to be on his 4th OC/QB coaching change in 5 years this season. That's what killed Alex Smith's career, dude had 6 different OC/QB coaches in his first 7 seasons; unreal. No player can develop like that, especially a QB.
This is the problem with the "first round bust" conversation, many of these players have their potential wasted by awful coaching and may have developed into something special with the right coaching. But that's the league.
10:40 I was literally about to make this comment before I heard you say it. Lechler’s gotta be the second punter in the HOF
Isaac (or anyone else reading this), can you help me find info about a memorable punt I have never forgotten since seeing it on TV in my childhood? I'm 99% sure it was Ray Guy - at least that's what I remembered through the decades. It had the weirdest bounce ever - it landed right on the goal line, bounced straight up and landed on the goal line again, over and over until it laid to rest on the goal line. I thought I remembered it as having been nicknamed (by the announcer or some reporter afterwards) "A Bean Too Much", because if it had been just inches shorter, it would have been a weird miracle punt instead of a touchback. Whether I remember the nickname correctly or not, I would think it would have made its way onto the internet as something fascinating, but I have searched for it several times in multiple ways and never found a peep about it. Perhaps you can find it, since you are great at digging into the history of punting.
Marquette King's personality ended his career. He was kicked off the Raiders cause he pissed off the locker room.
Remember when he took that picture with Aqib Talib making fun of Crabtree and the necklace incident? Bruce Irvin almost beat his ass during that whole drama. Soon after he was off the team. No punter is worth a locker room cancer.
3 phases of football. i grew up watching lechler and king. now having cole is awesome.
I loved this, please do more videos like it.
I actually have a whole series like this!
I love the high drop, flowy Ray Guy punt. It’s how I punt, except Ray could beat my punt stats with his non-dominant leg 😂
Long term series: punter history for each team?
This truly is something I think about way too much
it's wild that king never made a pro bowl, but was all pro
Thanks for sharing. I remember watching Ray Guy on television growing up. He was phenomenal. I can't think of another team with the string of punting greats the Raiders have had. Shawn R., Mo-Mutt Music/Sacred & Secular (and football fan)
Ruy Guy is a legend 💪🏾👊🏾💪🏾👊🏾 John Madden loved him
Giants probably had the best decade for a LB room ever from 1981-1990. Between Lawrence Taylor, Harry Carson, and Carl Banks they combined for 18 pro bowls, 5 second team all pros, 9 first team all pros, 2 hall of famers, and Lawrence Taylor was defensive rookie of the year, three time defensive player of the year, and won an MVP.
You can even go back a bit further as well, remember Carson was drafted in the 1970s during the Wilderness Era and there was Van Pelt. Probably among the few things they did right in the draft during that period.
Closest I can think of is the Chicago Bears at the MLB position. Multiple HoFers at the position, but it's been more spread out.
I have a Janikowski jersey, but I need to get a Lechler one as well. Those are the two greatest Raiders from my childhood
I would like a Ray Guy Sandknit..
Man I miss king... Dude was the most fun I've ever had watching a Punter
Not a Raiders fan but even I could see the guy was way over qualified for his position
Its insane at the quality of kickers we have had
Also Fullbacks are an underrated spot on our rosters. I mean today there like 24 fullbacks. Former Raiders make up a good spot of them. Alec Ingold, Jakob Johnson, Jason Cabinda (was an LB for us), Jamize Olawale, Keith Smith…
For what's its worth as a raider fan we never worry about our kickers and punters they turn out good but the problem is you cant win football games on kicks and punts alone.
bruh 63 yard banana kick can you imagine how much further it would go if they kicked it properly with a drop punt
Lay off the meth, snowy. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
that boy aj cole is so different!!! glad hes on my team!
theres a video on YT of Chiefs GM Brett Veach catching a TD pass from Chiefs OC Matt Nagy in the mid 2000s 😎
This is like how Brazil has an amazing history of football/soccer because of crime corruption and low living standards for the masses
The Titans with Hentrick, Kern and Stonehouse are second-tier dynasty .
Could you make a video talking about the different types of punts that you listed in the video? Thought everyone just tried to bomb it as hard as they could until today. Id just wanna see something with some examples maybe and a brief description. I know it's a lot to ask but figured I would anyways 😁 if you read this thanks for your time!
You should talk about Ryan Stonehouse’s crazy rookie season
Ray Guy once downed his own punt.
Can we get a video on my boy tress way?? Love him as a life long Washington fan
The Bears drafted sauerbrun in the 2nd round, then told him not to kick it so far.
I always liked king as a punter , should of signed him
I’ve got a lot of love for the Raiders
Raider fan here I seen at lot of terrible offensive play so many 4th downs we punt so much that our punters had no other choice but to be great even today Aj Cole is one of the best punters in the league and our kicker be great to cause we rarely score TDs
Marquette King played just six nfl seasons. 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
packers with quarterbacks did the same thing
17:06 titans with running backs
King could also run fakes or salvage bad snaps into 1st downs running. To your question Green Bay with QB's and Steelers with coaches is the only groups I can think about off the top of my head.
Have you seen the bears punter from ia? Pretty talented guy, without him the don't go to the big ten championship game. Anyhoo🤘
I guess the Raiders have a Dynas "kicking"tee????
7:20 "they actually almost brought him in a couple times" huh? 😂
AJ might honestly be the best yet
I'll always feel like they cut King on personal issues
Do Raider Field Goal Kickers.
Pittsburgh Steelers Coaches is the only thing I can think of off the top of my head. I'm 40. There have been 3. Likely for you there have only been 2 in your lifetime lol
Vikings and wide receivers.
I literally just bought 4 tickets for the raiders MNF game this year. Get on RUclips and this is the first thing that pops up. Destiny? Nah
🦁 Now! 😊⚒️💙
John “mad a sack”? Haha
He got Sisemore wrong too.
Song at 14:20?
RN4L ☠️
Great video, I’m an AI- Prove you’re an Al Davis too
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I think that my all time goat punter is pat mcafee, anyone else?
Vikings on wrs Carter moss Thielen harvin diggs Jefferson
Packers on qb is obvious to look into
I’m thinking rams RBs but don’t feel like looking it up but you know the rams have had running backs
running backs is probably chiefs up until recently when Reid changed the offensive scheme
John cis a more?
So punting really doesn't matter... Look where all that elite punting got them
Three Super Bowls with Ray Guy. One Super Bowl appearance with Lechler.
Weird flex? But okay…
I get this channel geeks out over punters, and while Ray Guy was truly great, simply put, using a First Round Pick on a punter is absolutely insane. As good as Mr. Guy was, there is a concept in economics called Opportunity Cost at play here. They aren't just selecting Ray Guy. The Raiders are NOT selecting lots of other talented players. How much yardage does Ray Guy get you every week? 20 yards more than a replacement level punter? 40? No punter in the world is worth the talent you are giving up by drafting him.
Three Hall of Famers were undrafted behind him: WR Drew Pearson, OG Joe DeLamielluere, and some QB from Oregon named Dan Fouts.
Just the CHANCE to get any of those guys in the draft would be better than drafting a punter.
It's like Devin Hester. Okay, fine. You have to put him in the Hall of Fame? Last time I checked, TDs on returns are worth the same as other TDs. Every yard Mr. Guy saves you is just one yard. Yes, Special Teams are important, but let's not get crazy here. It's still the third most important unit of a team, and it always will be.
Well they won three Super Bowls from 76 to 83 so i would say it turned out alright, they were loaded already when they drafted Guy and that was the era before free agency and the salary cap so keeping your talent was easier back then.
They could afford to take a punter in the first round because their team was literally filled with hall of famers.
@@osaji922 Really? Aging Ken Stabler was better than a young Dan Fouts? I mean, that's absurd.
@@Mr.MikeBarksdale Aging Ken Stabler? In 1973? Ken Stabler won the MVP that season. lol It was also his first full year as starter and yeah, he was better than Fouts. Who the hell was Fouts in '73? Chargers didn't catch on until years later. His supporting HOF teammates were, Otto, Upshaw, Shell, Brown, Biletnikoff, and Branch.
We'd have 6 Lombadis if we didn't get fucked by the biased NFL.
OAKLAND RAIDERS FOREVER 🏴☠️
Hey, Mr. Narrator, I know you're probably not shaving yet; but if you're posting videos about the Raiders, you just CANNOT butcher the pronunciation of John Matuszak. Hint: His nickname was "The Tooz." You pronounced it, "John MATIZIK. He's Raiders royalty. So, say it like, "MA-TOOZ-AK!!!"
:-)
First please pin me I love your videos
I think King would have worked out if our HC was like AP.
But I also agree that you can't be giving up penalties as a punter. Especially excessive celebration penalties 😂
That's because the best punters want to play for the only team to draft a punter in the first round wouldn't u.
Marquette was the best
You young people have little grasp of the English language, especially vis-a-vis pronouns.