I’ve never heard or seen anyone giving out such a comprehensive review before. Youre like a guru to most mechanics out there. I salute u. Thank you for giving us so much inputs. 🙏
I can’t decide between 65 and 50. I ride all flats with mostly windy conditions and occasionally go for climbing races 1/2 times a year. 50s are definitely faster for crits. What would you suggest?
@@AdventurismPk For crit racing it really depends on the circuit/course. Races with constant accelerations and surges...50mm would be marginally more optimal and lighter. For road races or fast group rides I prefer 65s no question.
Can’t decide if I should go for Hyper 65 or Hyper 50. I ride and race 95% of the days on flat roads with mild windy conditions. Just 2 hilly races in a year. Hyper 50 definitely are marginally more responsive as per reviews on the internet so definitely a plus for crit races. What’s your experience with 65s. Also what would you recommend in my case.
@@AdventurismPk I own the 65s in both disc AND rim brake LoL. I take them out in the country side with tough rolling hills at least 3-4 times a year. No issues in climbing and stable in crosswinds. Take the 65s if you weigh at least 70kg or more.
Solid video! I have been on the 65 Hyper Wheels now for a few weeks, with daily use, and 100% enjoying them. I have the Hyper 38's and Hyper 50's plus the LUN 60's and all of the wheels from Winspace seem to be rock solid, very well built and light, and equally fast. Such fun riding these wheels from Winspace!
@@vedhed7969 I will say this... the HYPER Wheels size 38's are fantastic Wheels. On the flats they roll really amazing for size 38 climbing Wheels. Every time I use the 38's I am never disappointed or asking more from the Wheels. Best climbing Wheels I have ever used by far. I think a lot of this is from the pure stiffness or the Wheels and the strength of the overall build. On the flat roads they feel outstanding for a Wheel of that size rim. I do a lot of Criterium racing and like the 50's and the 65's. If I did not race Criterium events and I had to pick one model of Wheels for group rides, hill rides, and all around solo cruising on the bike I would buy the 38's. Hope that answers your questions!
@@timconnor2381 oh no!! You should take some photos and send them to the Winspace email address and I would think they would respond. Maybe they have advice. I have not had any spoke issues. Are you using RIM Brake version? what size rim depth do you use? I have all the HYPER Wheels sizes and I have been riding them basically every day or at least 5 times a week for a long time now and I have not noticed any spoke issues at all. Interesting how your back wheel had issues but the front wheel nothing?
Always a pleasure to visit your channel. Your wax mixture has been great for my drivetrain. The connex chain and link you suggested have been great. My buddy is impressed with your DIY tools for maintanence. Thank you for sharing your knowlege.
Reson for spokes being crossed on the rotor side is to be able to transfer the torque from the disc rotor to the rim and the tyre. Only on the rim brake rims you can see full radial spokes
IMO elite drive 50D or 65D wheels seem a better choice. Spoke tension within 5% of variation, glossy finish protecting the rim surface, lighter, and crossing spokes do not touch each other. Thanks for the thorough review.
Steve, outstanding wheel review as usual. Just so happens I'm in the market for a new set. This was very helpful and I'm going to consider them. Your video's are very helpful and well done. Thanks again and looking forward to the next one. Cheers
In the past 2 cross spokes would be welded at the cross or tied with wire to prevent fibbing and increase rigidity the problem is replacement is costly if you weld spokes. The aspect of wear is a non issue unless your in mud and grit everyday which most people are not....if you where other issues would happen before spoke wear.
Than you for the good review! Regarding rim width: I am happy it is not too wide for 23 mm tires as this is the most aerodynamic option. It would be nice to have wider rim for occasional gravel uses though.
Excellent in-depth review!! Can you please kindly do a review on the latest year 2023 special edition steel bearing 60/68mm depth Winspace Hyper wheelset? Also what does the difference of the Drive Spoke Angle contribute to different performance? Look forward for more of your wheelset reviews & educational videos!
Interesting regarding the spokes touching where they cross - My 65mm hyper disk wheels are laced the other way (from inside of the hub underneath and outside of hub over the top), so the spokes do not bow over/under each other and therefore do not touch. Perhaps they changed the way they build the wheels after seeing your video?
Just received my hyper 50’s last week and none of the drive side spokes touch. I emailed Winspace since this is different to what I have seen in videos and pictures. Winspace confirmed this is built as intended and not to worry, for anyone wondering!
This is a veryyy excellent break down. You got yourself a new subscriber my friend! I just recently won a pair of these and super excited to try them out!
Great review very meticulous, shows you do not have to break the bank to get a set of high tech carbon wheels. These winspace wheels are impressive for the price.
Have these wheels and I agree nice wheels for the money and fast as well. First thing I did was remove all the "hyper" labels on the wheels. Like he said labels are stickers but with a heat gun, a plastic scraper, and with a lot of patience they come off and trust me the wheels look so much better without the labels. I do wish the internal width could be a little more wider but not a big deal. If you live and ride in a very windy area the wind will catch that 65mm front wheel and could get a little sketchy at times. I do find the wheels getting out of true after riding them for awhile. Turing the wheels you will need to remove the tubeless rim tape and you need to get a 5.5mm internal spoke socket wrench to true the wheels. Turing the wheels with the internal socket wrench is very easy just make sure you hold tge nipple so the bladed carbon spokes don't twist. Will need to buy new and replace the tubeless rim tape after. Best to check how true the wheels are every time you have to replace the tires.
I thought the spokes touching in the cross section was supposed to increase lateral stiffness a bit, is this false? I think in my mind it kind of makes sense.
This is not the case for these wheels, as they use 2:1 lacing. Since there are 2x as many spokes on the driveside, the spoke tension will actually be higher on the non-driveside.
Crossing spokes purposely touch to lend support to each other making the wheel stronger. I don't know if this is true but it is something I read from wheel building instructions.
Hello sir, I got some Hyper 65mm for my road bike and did a few rides on them so far. Today while cleaning, I noticed the carbon feels "soft" on BOTH rims, as in: I can push "into" the rim slightly, (It does "flex" back). Is this part of the engineering, or are they a liability? i can send a video of the flexing.
Great review Steve 👍 Winspace distributing their wheels & bikes to a lot of the non schill channels for advertisement is great but still not convinced in their quality & asking price over the other Chinese or non branded carbon wheels. By being half the price of the big brands doesn't mean they are worth 4x more than a non branded wheelset.
I don't dispute the quality but I've had built to order wheels to my desires ex China and for around $600 to $800 delivered they are solid and reasonably light.
Anything in cycling that says this and that are not worth their price. Its all marketing bs. Aero this lighter that but then your average punter are most likely fat af and need to lose weight so they can become more aero and lighter on the climbs. Its all placebo and marginal gains for a couple of thousands.
You can watch the stiffness tests on these wheels, they outperform most brands, same as shimano even, same as a full disc wheel also. Climbing tests have shown a drop in time also. Very stiff
Dear Steve, great video and many thanks. I have noticed you are using a modified Minoura wheel dishing tool. To determine of center I use feeler gauges however a modification with a digital caliper is much more handy. Would you be so kind to share your modification with us on RUclips? Greetings from the Netherlands.
From what I am seeing about how aero these wheels are, you might be surprised that these 65s are probably only a few watts slower than most 80mm wheels. The 50mm Hypers are about 100g lighter than these, and again, only a few watts slower than the 65mm wheels.
@@casualguy393 In my experience, 88mm is a big step up from 60mm, and a lot more meaningful than the difference between 50 -> 60. Everyone says "oh its only a few watts, and then a few more watts, till you are 30watts in the hole.
@@galenkehler Well, you are mostly right. It is a 15mm difference in depth. However, it also depends on the shapes of the spokes and the actual shape of the rim too. Older 80mm rims aren't quite as aero as newer 80mm rims. So, I doubt it would be in the range of 30 watts, but I get your point ;)
Did you pay for these yourself? Or were these sent to you like Winspace is doing with the other channels? I'm two minutes into the video, and it's not clear yet.
These wheels are built using the carbon weaving method... IDK how some "wrinkling" would compromise the structural integrity of any rim. I would suggest watching the @hambini channel to get an engineer's perspective with test data..
Either. I'm testing ICAN and Farsport wheels at the moment and they are very good too. Chinese carbon products have come a long way in the last few years and take most of the market now.
Q, did u eventually correct the slightly twisted spokes that were out & in. Nice explanations. How do u rate them 4 road racing use or training compared 2 Roval.... cheers
I will ride them as they are for a while then correct the twists. Rovals are very good performers. Ive only riden rim brake versions. Similar feel. Rovals slightly more comfortable but not as stiff.
@@stevenleffanue thx 4 getting back 2 me. I ride a Specialized Tarmac Disk Brakes. 11 speed. Made a few FABULOUS upgrades. Saddle & cockpit. Train on Aluminum DT Swiss Wheels. Have a set of Roval clx40 Tubulars that l need 2 take down 2 my bike shop & remove the Glue. Then use Doulble Sided Tape out of Italy. Currently moving house & found 2 brand new Vittoria Tubulars Kevlar that were designed originally 4 Paris Roubaix. Still in immaculate condition & not perrished at all. Ur thoughts on the 38 & 50mm Chinese Wheels pls. If they r stiffer than Roval that is super impressive. Love ur Workshop set up. Where r u situated. Cheers Robert Victoria
50kgf spoke tension looks way too low. You are using a Nitto spoke tension gage which shows deflection in mm then your chart is for Park Tools TM-1 gauge. I'm a little confused.
@@galenkehler Then you should know the aerodynamic advantage comes from a flat and minimal transition between tire sidewall and rim wall. You need at least 21mm ID for a smooth transition on 25c+ tires. A lightbulb shape isn't fast and these are advertising aerodynamics... These wheels are already behind several competitors on rim width and will be outdated in just a couple years.
@@cup_and_cone that's why we use 19c rims, so that 25c tires provide a nice aerodynamic fit. Touring, MTB or gravel cyclist use 28c+ for load carrying or traction offroad.
@@cup_and_cone you're clearly confused regarding the difference between internal and external widths. These rims are 25mm wide externally at the edge and go up to 28mm to work well with 25c tires.
@@galenkehler I am not confused at all, you cannot come to the realization that a 19mm internal rim width is not as aero optimized as a wider rim. The new Zipp's have 23mm internal rim width, Roval 21mm, etc. A 25c tire would be more aero if these wheels had a 21mm internal rim width because of better laminar transition. And with more riders opting for tire options like 26c or 28c, especially in the coming years, a 23mm internal rim width is more future proof.
Can you educate me please? Is it true that deeper rims and so shorter spokes are stiffer and and in sum more durable? I heard this somewhere. Im 102kg and really paranoid on spoke breakage.
TBH, it is very difficult to reduce the wrinkling on an inner surface of a closed composite material. You hope that these wrinkles are only superficial and belong to the outer layer of the carbon, and not transfer deeper into the structure, causing voids and discrepancies in the strength and properties of the material
The wrinkles will just be the epoxy that has come out of the weave and filled in the creases in the vacuum bag used to make the wheel. There won't be any issues with the actual carbon.
Hi Steve, greetings from Indonesia. Have you found an unbalance wheel on winspace ? Maybe your friend or others on your country. Because one of famous cyclist in my country bought 2 wheelset of hyper winspace, they found 2 wheels (9grams unbalance and 20++ grams unbalance. Btw, the best review I have found on youtube, good job Steve, just subscribe your channel!
Your work is always good. But Yoeleo de-stress their wheels and check truing after (just watch the vid). Not saying Winspace are bad but I've had hypers and what no you tuber ever mentions is the greening/browning of resin. It's not uniformed and at $1000 I'd rather have it coated.
@@stevenleffanue no straight out the box the butterfly weave had inconsistent green and browning resin. You can just about see it in some videos. You've been more in depth than most with testing so kudos there. But no one ever questions what standards they adhere to or external accreditations. I'm curious as you've had so much Yoeleo stuff why you didn't try there Pro 60mm. That would of been good (although not same size).
@@AdventurismPk Firstly I love my Hyper Lun’s and have done about 2000km on them. It depends on the sort of riding you do and the conditions you ride in. Are you riding hills or mostly on flats, is it generally windy or calm ? For me I definitely wouldn’t go to the 65’s. If anything I am thinking about getting the 38mm. I do a mix of hill climbs and flats but nothing you would call big mountain riding. It can be windy where I live and you definitively can feel them in a cross wind. The 38mm are lighter and would be better on hills especially in windy conditions.
@@ricecrash5225 appreciate your response. I ride mostly flat with 10-15kph winds on normal days and 20-30kph on bad days. I do 2 hilly races every year. Must go for 50 I guess
Hello there..: My name is PRAVEEN .. I am a mediator rider. Intending to buy a carbon wheel. I tried contact you on Facebook. Basically I have some questions to ask
Sanding marks from orbital sander! Scratch marks from sanding block! Exposed weave absorbs water over time. The clear coat on composite products, be they fibre glass, carbon fibre, whatever, performs a function. It’s not just aesthetic. Call it the ‘raw’ look. But I’ll pass. Very handy look at the product though. Thanks.
100% agree. The clear coat has the uv protection and on a product that spends 95% of its life in direct sunlight, leaving that part off seems like a big engineering error. Those wrinkles will also be seriously reducing the strength of the weave and also adding additional resin to the wheel. Overall, a terrible product.
@@stevenleffanue looks like a stop motion video after you watch another 60fps video. That black background isn't great either, often the parts are black and your clothes are black. Also the fewer colours in the shot, the more your camera, editing software and YT compress your video, effectively saving space by lowering the quality. If you film a blue sky, you'll see 7 gradient blue bars in the video after uploading instead of a smooth white to blue gradient
GREAT REVIEW however no one really needs 65mm deep douche wheels unless you re a pro TT cyclists or velodrome racers. Average cyclist too heavy and unstable especially in windy conditions ask Froome !! But waste your money however you want it won t make you any better riding your bike does !!
Shorter spokes = stiffer wheel? Nope Higher rim = more Flex in the rim before the spokes could flex. Deep section wheels are less Stiff and not the best for sprinting
The properties of a carbon spoke are designed exactly the way there supposed to be... to increase rigidity and performance there over and under lapping crossing is designed as a performance feature based on the structure and properties of a carbon spoke so one should not expect to act and work the same way as a forged stainless steel spoke or other metal spoke...these peoe are engineering the wheel exactly to the way it should work...your not a engineer so there is reason why your doing you tube work.
What idiot is wanting maximum aerodynamics on a 28c tyre? Anyone who knows anything about aerodynamics (Hambini) will tell you you want a narrow rim with a 23mm tyre if you want to go fast. So being critical of how wide the rim is, is like complaining you can’t get off road tyres on your Ferrari. 😂
I’ve never heard or seen anyone giving out such a comprehensive review before. Youre like a guru to most mechanics out there. I salute u. Thank you for giving us so much inputs. 🙏
Fantastic breakdown! I love my Hyper 65s. Over 6500km/4000mi in four months, not a single issue.
I can’t decide between 65 and 50. I ride all flats with mostly windy conditions and occasionally go for climbing races 1/2 times a year. 50s are definitely faster for crits. What would you suggest?
@@AdventurismPk repeat question.
@@AdventurismPk For crit racing it really depends on the circuit/course. Races with constant accelerations and surges...50mm would be marginally more optimal and lighter. For road races or fast group rides I prefer 65s no question.
Can’t decide if I should go for Hyper 65 or Hyper 50. I ride and race 95% of the days on flat roads with mild windy conditions. Just 2 hilly races in a year. Hyper 50 definitely are marginally more responsive as per reviews on the internet so definitely a plus for crit races. What’s your experience with 65s. Also what would you recommend in my case.
@@AdventurismPk I own the 65s in both disc AND rim brake LoL. I take them out in the country side with tough rolling hills at least 3-4 times a year. No issues in climbing and stable in crosswinds. Take the 65s if you weigh at least 70kg or more.
Solid video! I have been on the 65 Hyper Wheels now for a few weeks, with daily use, and 100% enjoying them. I have the Hyper 38's and Hyper 50's plus the LUN 60's and all of the wheels from Winspace seem to be rock solid, very well built and light, and equally fast. Such fun riding these wheels from Winspace!
Which would you consider best all rounder for flats/climbing? I am leaning toward the 38s hyper
@@vedhed7969 I will say this... the HYPER Wheels size 38's are fantastic Wheels. On the flats they roll really amazing for size 38 climbing Wheels. Every time I use the 38's I am never disappointed or asking more from the Wheels. Best climbing Wheels I have ever used by far. I think a lot of this is from the pure stiffness or the Wheels and the strength of the overall build. On the flat roads they feel outstanding for a Wheel of that size rim. I do a lot of Criterium racing and like the 50's and the 65's. If I did not race Criterium events and I had to pick one model of Wheels for group rides, hill rides, and all around solo cruising on the bike I would buy the 38's. Hope that answers your questions!
@@TheCyclesport very helpful mate. Appreciate the response
Did you have any issues with those spokes twisting ? My back wheel has spokes that have moved significantly and are now acting as wind sails
@@timconnor2381 oh no!! You should take some photos and send them to the Winspace email address and I would think they would respond. Maybe they have advice. I have not had any spoke issues. Are you using RIM Brake version? what size rim depth do you use? I have all the HYPER Wheels sizes and I have been riding them basically every day or at least 5 times a week for a long time now and I have not noticed any spoke issues at all. Interesting how your back wheel had issues but the front wheel nothing?
Always a pleasure to visit your channel. Your wax mixture has been great for my drivetrain. The connex chain and link you suggested have been great. My buddy is impressed with your DIY tools for maintanence. Thank you for sharing your knowlege.
the wrinkling is not from the carbon but from the bladder. The older ones were a latex type and the newer bladders are PPE, which is a harder material
Love the "sound test" - I have done this for many years. Simple and effective. Good to do once in a while. Can also detect possible defects.
Thank you for all the test and explanations! I also would like to see Farsports wheel builds.
Your videos are excellent. You are thorough and organized. I can count on learning whenever I watch. Thank you!
Reson for spokes being crossed on the rotor side is to be able to transfer the torque from the disc rotor to the rim and the tyre. Only on the rim brake rims you can see full radial spokes
I can't believe how in depth that was. Amazing. Thank you so much!
I thought those videos of inside the wheels were inconclusive... Until you showed us the Yoeleos and Eastons. Interesting comparison
the yoeleos clearly have a crack
Thank you for the great way of reviewing
IMO elite drive 50D or 65D wheels seem a better choice. Spoke tension within 5% of variation, glossy finish protecting the rim surface, lighter, and crossing spokes do not touch each other. Thanks for the thorough review.
Steve, outstanding wheel review as usual. Just so happens I'm in the market for a new set. This was very helpful and I'm going to consider them. Your video's are very helpful and well done. Thanks again and looking forward to the next one. Cheers
Steve, great stuff as usual. I have the 65mm Hypers as well. Love them. Looking forward to what you report for the ride quality.
ZIPP and ENVE left the chatroom.....
They are great wheels. I love mine.
Steve I thought you would have went for the 38's considering you live in such a windy place?
Old habits Harley, thinkn I can still outsprint any gringo with a strong set of hoops 😄
In the past 2 cross spokes would be welded at the cross or tied with wire to prevent fibbing and increase rigidity the problem is replacement is costly if you weld spokes. The aspect of wear is a non issue unless your in mud and grit everyday which most people are not....if you where other issues would happen before spoke wear.
Than you for the good review! Regarding rim width: I am happy it is not too wide for 23 mm tires as this is the most aerodynamic option. It would be nice to have wider rim for occasional gravel uses though.
Excellent in-depth review!! Can you please kindly do a review on the latest year 2023 special edition steel bearing 60/68mm depth Winspace Hyper wheelset? Also what does the difference of the Drive Spoke Angle contribute to different performance? Look forward for more of your wheelset reviews & educational videos!
Spoke angle is more a concern when using aluminium nipples as they often deform and break , not so much a performance issue.
Interesting regarding the spokes touching where they cross - My 65mm hyper disk wheels are laced the other way (from inside of the hub underneath and outside of hub over the top), so the spokes do not bow over/under each other and therefore do not touch. Perhaps they changed the way they build the wheels after seeing your video?
Just received my hyper 50’s last week and none of the drive side spokes touch. I emailed Winspace since this is different to what I have seen in videos and pictures. Winspace confirmed this is built as intended and not to worry, for anyone wondering!
This is a veryyy excellent break down. You got yourself a new subscriber my friend!
I just recently won a pair of these and super excited to try them out!
Great review very meticulous, shows you do not have to break the bank to get a set of high tech carbon wheels. These winspace wheels are impressive for the price.
radial spokes on disc brake wheels are as useful as a fork to eat a soup. Really an excellent overview!
Gotta watch it when there is a notification from ozcycle
Great video! I always appreciate your reviews
"De-stress" the wheels? Making me feel like grandma competing in the peleton... LOL! This is so next level wheel service.
Very detailed review, love your videos. 😁
Have these wheels and I agree nice wheels for the money and fast as well. First thing I did was remove all the "hyper" labels on the wheels. Like he said labels are stickers but with a heat gun, a plastic scraper, and with a lot of patience they come off and trust me the wheels look so much better without the labels. I do wish the internal width could be a little more wider but not a big deal. If you live and ride in a very windy area the wind will catch that 65mm front wheel and could get a little sketchy at times. I do find the wheels getting out of true after riding them for awhile. Turing the wheels you will need to remove the tubeless rim tape and you need to get a 5.5mm internal spoke socket wrench to true the wheels. Turing the wheels with the internal socket wrench is very easy just make sure you hold tge nipple so the bladed carbon spokes don't twist. Will need to buy new and replace the tubeless rim tape after. Best to check how true the wheels are every time you have to replace the tires.
Mind sharing the pic of your wheel without the stickers ? I wanted to get rid of them too
@@thej1291 Just changed the picture on my RUclips channel with the pic of my SL7 with the 65mm winspace hyper wheels without the hyper decals.
@@anthonyreyes1289 couldn’t agree more, look much better without decals/stickers, thanks again ! This will be my coming weekend project 🤣
What’s the best Chinese wheel HYPER? YOELOE? SUPERTEAM? ICAN? FARSPORTS?
The rigidity is far bigger when the spokes touch
Agree with others. These videos and reviews are comprehensive & excellent! Will share.
I thought the spokes touching in the cross section was supposed to increase lateral stiffness a bit, is this false? I think in my mind it kind of makes sense.
Can you review the vortex wheels.. Cam says it makes all the other china wheels second tier.
Spoke tension on the rear driveside is always way higher than on the non-driveside because the rear wheels are not symmetric.
This is not the case for these wheels, as they use 2:1 lacing. Since there are 2x as many spokes on the driveside, the spoke tension will actually be higher on the non-driveside.
Crossing spokes purposely touch to lend support to each other making the wheel stronger. I don't know if this is true but it is something I read from wheel building instructions.
Yes but extremely marginal. Still worried about the wear tho
@@stevenleffanue especially with carbon spokes, other brands that use non-steel spokes that touch like this have a rubber or plastic spacer
Great videos from frames cabling chains - have you any feedback on the YEOLEO FRAME -
The R12? Yes I should do a review on it soon.
@@stevenleffanue R12 that would be G8
Fantastic detailed video!
Hello sir, I got some Hyper 65mm for my road bike and did a few rides on them so far.
Today while cleaning, I noticed the carbon feels "soft" on BOTH rims, as in: I can push "into" the rim slightly, (It does "flex" back).
Is this part of the engineering, or are they a liability? i can send a video of the flexing.
Carbon fibre is a laminate and can be damaged by flexing its structure. Avoid trying to flex any carbon product.
Great video!! Very detailed... Will you please do a review on ENVE wheels? Many thanks!
Can't promise Brandon but noted.
I believe you stress relieving after checking the true ;) you can occur more buckle for no reason.
Thanks as always!
Great review Steve 👍
Winspace distributing their wheels & bikes to a lot of the non schill channels for advertisement is great but still not convinced in their quality & asking price over the other Chinese or non branded carbon wheels. By being half the price of the big brands doesn't mean they are worth 4x more than a non branded wheelset.
I don't dispute the quality but I've had built to order wheels to my desires ex China and for around $600 to $800 delivered they are solid and reasonably light.
as owner of bike/wheels, imo, they're worth it.
Anything in cycling that says this and that are not worth their price. Its all marketing bs. Aero this lighter that but then your average punter are most likely fat af and need to lose weight so they can become more aero and lighter on the climbs. Its all placebo and marginal gains for a couple of thousands.
You can watch the stiffness tests on these wheels, they outperform most brands, same as shimano even, same as a full disc wheel also.
Climbing tests have shown a drop in time also. Very stiff
They are some seriously good looking hoops! Great video man. Nice job.
Dear Steve, great video and many thanks.
I have noticed you are using a modified Minoura wheel dishing tool.
To determine of center I use feeler gauges however a modification with a digital caliper is much more handy.
Would you be so kind to share your modification with us on RUclips?
Greetings from the Netherlands.
OK. It's on my list
Am I the only one who hates a loud freehub?! Desirable rims though!
Would you recommend realigning the spokes so they don't touch?
No. Only if they rub which usully means the spoke tension is too low for the riders weight.
I would definitely consider these, but I won't ride anything less than 80mm depth, sadly the hypers aren't that deep :)
From what I am seeing about how aero these wheels are, you might be surprised that these 65s are probably only a few watts slower than most 80mm wheels. The 50mm Hypers are about 100g lighter than these, and again, only a few watts slower than the 65mm wheels.
@@casualguy393 In my experience, 88mm is a big step up from 60mm, and a lot more meaningful than the difference between 50 -> 60.
Everyone says "oh its only a few watts, and then a few more watts, till you are 30watts in the hole.
@@galenkehler Well, you are mostly right. It is a 15mm difference in depth. However, it also depends on the shapes of the spokes and the actual shape of the rim too. Older 80mm rims aren't quite as aero as newer 80mm rims. So, I doubt it would be in the range of 30 watts, but I get your point ;)
Did you pay for these yourself? Or were these sent to you like Winspace is doing with the other channels? I'm two minutes into the video, and it's not clear yet.
These wheels are built using the carbon weaving method... IDK how some "wrinkling" would compromise the structural integrity of any rim. I would suggest watching the @hambini channel to get an engineer's perspective with test data..
Danke für das Informative Video.
Like always a great review, very helpful and detailed, great job. I'm looking forward to the road test!
5.50 "wrinkling of carbon fibre"?? Excess epoxy pressed out of prepreg by bladder is my guess.. Rgr
Great video 👍👍
Could you run the on Gravel??
What do you think
I've done some gravel on these wheels already and they are good...softer feel than steel spokes. However a proper gravel rim should be wider.
very impressive! great review!
Greetings from germany, love your videos too. Arent there are no silent hubs on chinese wheels? I prefer the silence on descents.
They're actually not as noisy as most clutches.
Remove the pawls. That will make the silent.
Powerway hubs are quite ive found compared to novatec, dtswiss or bitex.
Such a great video. Liked and subscribed!
Great video, really informative 👍
'Spoke and Nipple' - that's my local pub
good in-depth review
thank you sir
You have been using Yoeleo wheelset for long time. After you got Winspace, which one do you prefer to move forward?
Both are very good wheels. Winspace carbon spoked wheels are lighter however Yoeleo will soon be using carbon spokes also.
I know it is not proper to ask but if you advice which one will you pick.
Either. I'm testing ICAN and Farsport wheels at the moment and they are very good too. Chinese carbon products have come a long way in the last few years and take most of the market now.
Thank you and I always appreciated your advice.
Appreciated the eval
Well done mate. Textbook appraisal
Oooh first to comment! Love your work! From Brissie
Q, did u eventually correct the slightly twisted spokes that were out & in. Nice explanations. How do u rate them 4 road racing use or training compared 2 Roval.... cheers
I will ride them as they are for a while then correct the twists.
Rovals are very good performers. Ive only riden rim brake versions. Similar feel. Rovals slightly more comfortable but not as stiff.
@@stevenleffanue thx 4 getting back 2 me. I ride a Specialized Tarmac Disk Brakes. 11 speed. Made a few FABULOUS upgrades. Saddle & cockpit. Train on Aluminum DT Swiss Wheels. Have a set of Roval clx40 Tubulars that l need 2 take down 2 my bike shop & remove the Glue. Then use Doulble Sided Tape out of Italy. Currently moving house & found 2 brand new Vittoria Tubulars Kevlar that were designed originally 4 Paris Roubaix. Still in immaculate condition & not perrished at all.
Ur thoughts on the 38 & 50mm Chinese Wheels pls. If they r stiffer than Roval that is super impressive.
Love ur Workshop set up. Where r u situated. Cheers Robert Victoria
Both are excellent wheelsets but Rovals are more $$.
I'm in Victor Harbor, SA
50kgf spoke tension looks way too low. You are using a Nitto spoke tension gage which shows deflection in mm then your chart is for Park Tools TM-1 gauge. I'm a little confused.
Move the decimal
19mm ID is pretty narrow for modern rims, would like to see 21 or even 23.
Lol, These are road wheels, not MTB
@@galenkehler Then you should know the aerodynamic advantage comes from a flat and minimal transition between tire sidewall and rim wall. You need at least 21mm ID for a smooth transition on 25c+ tires. A lightbulb shape isn't fast and these are advertising aerodynamics... These wheels are already behind several competitors on rim width and will be outdated in just a couple years.
@@cup_and_cone that's why we use 19c rims, so that 25c tires provide a nice aerodynamic fit.
Touring, MTB or gravel cyclist use 28c+ for load carrying or traction offroad.
@@cup_and_cone you're clearly confused regarding the difference between internal and external widths. These rims are 25mm wide externally at the edge and go up to 28mm to work well with 25c tires.
@@galenkehler I am not confused at all, you cannot come to the realization that a 19mm internal rim width is not as aero optimized as a wider rim. The new Zipp's have 23mm internal rim width, Roval 21mm, etc. A 25c tire would be more aero if these wheels had a 21mm internal rim width because of better laminar transition. And with more riders opting for tire options like 26c or 28c, especially in the coming years, a 23mm internal rim width is more future proof.
New to your channel. What is the significance of the wrinkles you showed?
Wrinkles mean one or more carbon sheets have separated from the main form. This weakens the strength in the area.
Can you educate me please? Is it true that deeper rims and so shorter spokes are stiffer and and in sum more durable? I heard this somewhere. Im 102kg and really paranoid on spoke breakage.
Deeper rims , shorter spokes more spokes , 14g spokes...all helps
Very detailed review, thumbs up! Subscribed! Moreeee
TBH, it is very difficult to reduce the wrinkling on an inner surface of a closed composite material. You hope that these wrinkles are only superficial and belong to the outer layer of the carbon, and not transfer deeper into the structure, causing voids and discrepancies in the strength and properties of the material
The wrinkles will just be the epoxy that has come out of the weave and filled in the creases in the vacuum bag used to make the wheel. There won't be any issues with the actual carbon.
Hi Steve, greetings from Indonesia. Have you found an unbalance wheel on winspace ? Maybe your friend or others on your country. Because one of famous cyclist in my country bought 2 wheelset of hyper winspace, they found 2 wheels (9grams unbalance and 20++ grams unbalance.
Btw, the best review I have found on youtube, good job Steve, just subscribe your channel!
ruclips.net/video/dcgiUcbS64c/видео.html Bicycle Wheel Balancing: Marginal Gains or a 'Must Do'?
That a proper review, great job. thanks
What kind of rotors are compatible with these hubs?
Best to check their website but generally Shimano splined
That "line" is a stress fracture. Possible future failure point.
Your work is always good. But Yoeleo de-stress their wheels and check truing after (just watch the vid). Not saying Winspace are bad but I've had hypers and what no you tuber ever mentions is the greening/browning of resin. It's not uniformed and at $1000 I'd rather have it coated.
The true was checked first to show how they come from the factory.
So do you mean degradation of resin by UV light?
@@stevenleffanue no straight out the box the butterfly weave had inconsistent green and browning resin. You can just about see it in some videos. You've been more in depth than most with testing so kudos there. But no one ever questions what standards they adhere to or external accreditations. I'm curious as you've had so much Yoeleo stuff why you didn't try there Pro 60mm. That would of been good (although not same size).
Can't just stick to Yoeleo viewers would think I'm just selling their product.
@@stevenleffanue fair enough. Did you get them sent free like others don't think I saw you say?
Yes. Often I will sell the demo products off cheap or give away to our local riders.
Bro where is trifox co clution
Got my 50mm hypers and afraid to put them on my bike they are so nice.
How’s your experience with them? Do you ever feel going even deeper with the Hyper 65 or the 50s are just the best?
@@AdventurismPk Firstly I love my Hyper Lun’s and have done about 2000km on them. It depends on the sort of riding you do and the conditions you ride in. Are you riding hills or mostly on flats, is it generally windy or calm ? For me I definitely wouldn’t go to the 65’s. If anything I am thinking about getting the 38mm. I do a mix of hill climbs and flats but nothing you would call big mountain riding. It can be windy where I live and you definitively can feel them in a cross wind. The 38mm are lighter and would be better on hills especially in windy conditions.
@@ricecrash5225 appreciate your response. I ride mostly flat with 10-15kph winds on normal days and 20-30kph on bad days. I do 2 hilly races every year. Must go for 50 I guess
@@AdventurismPk The 50’s sound like the ones. I don’t think you can go wrong and the differences would be marginal. Happy cycling.
@@ricecrash5225 thanks and appreciate your time
OZZ is NEW SWISS :)
Your the best reviewer ever !
Hello interestef in the TORCH (TOOL) WHAT BRAND IS IT WHERE CAN I NUY ONE
Its an endoscope from...Aliexpress.
@@stevenleffanue thank you for the information
Waiting for my 50mm Hypers to arrive any day now.
How long does it take from aus?
How’s your experience with 50mm. Do you ever want to go deeper with 65mm?
@@AdventurismPk yes 50mm is perfect for every day riding in terms of weight and little cross wind effect. The best day to day wheel depth IMO.
Wheels don't really get much faster than these.
Hello there..:
My name is PRAVEEN .. I am a mediator rider. Intending to buy a carbon wheel. I tried contact you on Facebook. Basically I have some questions to ask
Sorry Praveen , I don't do phone calls. I encourage you to spend time doing your own research
Sanding marks from orbital sander! Scratch marks from sanding block! Exposed weave absorbs water over time. The clear coat on composite products, be they fibre glass, carbon fibre, whatever, performs a function. It’s not just aesthetic. Call it the ‘raw’ look. But I’ll pass. Very handy look at the product though. Thanks.
100% agree. The clear coat has the uv protection and on a product that spends 95% of its life in direct sunlight, leaving that part off seems like a big engineering error.
Those wrinkles will also be seriously reducing the strength of the weave and also adding additional resin to the wheel.
Overall, a terrible product.
Just msgd winspace directly regarding this. Wheels are sealed with clear coat
Why are you still filming in 24fps in 2021?
I'm not up with camera settings , etc. How can you tell it's 24fps?
@@stevenleffanue looks like a stop motion video after you watch another 60fps video.
That black background isn't great either, often the parts are black and your clothes are black.
Also the fewer colours in the shot, the more your camera, editing software and YT compress your video, effectively saving space by lowering the quality.
If you film a blue sky, you'll see 7 gradient blue bars in the video after uploading instead of a smooth white to blue gradient
GREAT REVIEW however no one really needs 65mm deep douche wheels unless you re a pro TT cyclists or velodrome racers. Average cyclist too heavy and unstable especially in windy conditions ask Froome !! But waste your money however you want it won t make you any better riding your bike does !!
So you mean 50s are better even for all flats riding?
Shorter spokes = stiffer wheel?
Nope
Higher rim = more Flex in the rim before the spokes could flex.
Deep section wheels are less Stiff and not the best for sprinting
The properties of a carbon spoke are designed exactly the way there supposed to be... to increase rigidity and performance there over and under lapping crossing is designed as a performance feature based on the structure and properties of a carbon spoke so one should not expect to act and work the same way as a forged stainless steel spoke or other metal spoke...these peoe are engineering the wheel exactly to the way it should work...your not a engineer so there is reason why your doing you tube work.
pretty awful layup. I wonder how farsports compare. I will not by Hypers and I have been shopping. Thanks
Exacting moments
This wheels are a direct plagiarism of Reynolds AR series. Shame on this maker
What idiot is wanting maximum aerodynamics on a 28c tyre?
Anyone who knows anything about aerodynamics (Hambini) will tell you you want a narrow rim with a 23mm tyre if you want to go fast.
So being critical of how wide the rim is, is like complaining you can’t get off road tyres on your Ferrari. 😂
Pros r riding 25c and 28c now. Max. aero for 28c tyre is OD 21mm rim.
Terrible quality. Just because they are the underdog doesnt make them good.