Apologies, I messed up the skill build. The correct one is below. 1 2 1 4 2 1 4 2 4 3 3 3 Also another correction. Bloodletting doesn't have a damage type and can't be mitigated by Spirit Armor. Bloodletting does appear as purple in your death recap, but it is not spirit damage.
@@Lighthemmeryou can see the final build at the end, but for lane one key item was decay. Decay keeps your rage at max for an uptime of 10s of ever 32s (not sure if the cd goes down during the 10s its up).
@@aeonstrife147 yeah I didn't think it would work because it'd be broken having spirit resist also resist like 45% of bullet damage and also double dip for spirit damage
One of the voice lines even calls Kelvin Calvin 😂 Yamato I think is the one who has it, so it’s definitely a non-issue And he mentioned the green one so if that’s viscous just think of it like viss-cuss @eskie-gaming-deadlock
Ive had a hard time playing Shiv recently because of going into engagements without a full rage meter, its kind of annoying trying to keep the gauge up but this gave me good insight on how to get consistent rage build up
@@thelaw3536 Problem with that is other people also take creeps, and some have better waveclear than you, so keeping your rage up is hard. Especially with how little most things give rage. Melee attacks give the most rage, everything else seems to give very little, so unless you constantly have creeps around you're not gonna be able to keep it up.
Suggestion: hover over the item description a little longer when explaining the item. It helps those of us who are not too familiar with the item effects!
I also want to point out how strong of an item Ammo scavenger is. At max stacks it provides a total of 26 spirit power. A big chunk of the knife damage came from a tier 1 item. Some tier 3 items don't even provide the spirit power Ammo scanenger provides. at 11:00 Ammo scavenger was providing 31% of his spirit power. A tier 1 item.
seems like a decent consideration for pocket or warden (or yamato?) since they make good use of both their guns and spirit power. i’ve mostly avoided ammo items because i feel like other tier 1s give more value if you manage your ammo properly, but this comment provides some good insight into heroes in which it might be a good item.
I'm surprised it hasn't popped off harder in the meta because it gives so much opportunity space. You need to manage your ammo efficiently when poking so you don't miss CS on a reload. Ammo scavenger lets you poke aggressively and CS plus it translates to so much more damage on knives. Wouldnt surprise if it gets nerfed at some point.
arguably the only reason why he and most others get decay is because it's free (spirit) damage on whomever is hit. stacking decay with bleed is one of the things that gives shiv so much survivability early on because of spirit lifesteal. usually, most people will get decay if they want to win the early game.
shiv seems pretty interesting with a spirit build i kind of want to try him now. these kinds of considerations are things that i’m trying to take into account more often lately as i try to learn the item system and eventually start making my own active decisions while building.
its for rage gain. it literally says why in a few builds its also just generally good since anti heal and nice dmg. but for shiv its better than anyone else because of the rage gain
Sick gameplay! Thanks for sharing! I find it really interesting hearing about utilizing the advantage state. Would be interesting to see you talk about disadvantage state and what to do as well!
i think more videos covering general concepts like that would be useful. maybe like 15 min videos covering how to play from behind with a small section showing the lane phase then key moments that changed the game state later on
I've been calling Kelvin Kevin and Seven Sven. I don't think I've personally ever called the guardian it's on name, but I tend to always call the walker a walker. Souls and gold have been interchangeable, sometimes we've called them times as a joke. Honestly I don't think anyone really cares right now about pronouncing things, but it is important for educational videos like this, so it's a give and take
Most helpful hero guides on RUclips by far. Please keep it up. Also, the way to pronounce viscous is just Vis-cus or vis-kiss if you say it quickly, youre definitely not alone on the pronunciation for him, seems many people are the same. Either way great content!
You can abuse the mechanic that 2 ppl get the max amount of souls in the same lane until 10 min mark. In pre made matches teams are totally abusing the mechanic. You have 2 people that keep staling their lane and one hero that keeps rotating between those lanes. He then pushes the lane as hard as possible and rotates again. A lot of people are calling for a change of this atm, Since you can have 2 players per team that essentially get almost 2x the amout of souls. And Decay is just great since it's another dot that brings the enemy low and even denies regen. So basically even faster time to execute. Your rage usually never falls off while laning. Edit: And after i wrote this, I realized that Valve actually fixed the exploit a few days ago.
This was an insightful watch. I learned a bunch. Would you mind breaking down the fight sequences, how they are using their abilities to be maximally effective? When its all happening it seems like pure chaos from my view.
I was wrong about that. Sorry. I posted the correction in the pinned comment, but Bloodletting is displayed as purple in your death recap but is not actually any damage type. Unfortunately, you can't mitigate it
i think u didnt emphasize on why he was rotating so much early game. this was a lane abuse people are doing in high bracket. they shove the wave fast and then they go to side lane and soak the exp getting more souls from that lane. pre 10 mins u get duplicate soul for every lane when ur lane mate cs. so basically u are getting double the souls per wave if u push ur wave but ur side lane doesnt push and u connect to get that wave souls too (especially solo lane side lane works the best as u get equal soul duplication and more than 2 players in a lane will share less after that) but they fixed this today ... so i predict these rotations will not be happening that often. maybe for helping out lanes they will rotate but it will not be that optimal anymore. new patch fixed the early game rotation to get double wave abuse. Today at 4:08 PM - Fixed players being able to exploit soul sharing across multiple lanes to earn more souls than intended. The way the fix is implemented is that each player can only be considered for an enemy trooper death event 4 times per wave number during the laning phase.
like in this game warden is solo laner. so he was taking cs in his lane with yamato which they share equally(notice the agressively push it while warden wave is still there). then he rotates to warden lane and takes the same wave cs equally splitting the wave souls. this was the double wave soul abuse lot of high bracket players are doing it double the souls during lane.
Edit due to duplication he should actually always rotate to the solo lane to push it after oushing his own since it's loss spirt otherwise. This only aplies for first 10 mins
If you're referencing the double soaking that we're seeing tournament teams use, then ya I think that's optimal, but I would imagine Valve will patch that out in the future. I also think that double soaking is harder to pull off in solo queue
Thank you! I've really struggled with making heads or tails with Shiv and this helped out a good bit. I'm fairly new to moba's, but not competitive gaming, so im picking it up fairly quick. There is an area I'm struggling in however. In the mid/late game, there's this point where I feel like everyone is just *waiting*. Most if not all first guardians/walkers are taken by this point. It seems like an easy fix if you can communicate with your team, but how can I meaningfully contribute when both sides are doing nothing AND your team isnt talking? I end up hesitant to do push on the guardians near base from fear of being CC descended on and throwing the match. Would love to hear your opinion on how to handle it.
Mid game can be hard. My rule of thumb would be if you have a souls lead and you're strong. You want to either push objectives or try to gank. If you're behind in souls, I would focus on farming lanes that get pushed and farming the jungle. It's hard to give specifics because mid game is very context specific, but that's my general advice
These replay analysis's are really great. I'd much rather this than someone claiming HIGH MMR TOP. 001% and then showing some mid ass gameplay with no useful info. I'm subscribing forsure keep it up
Hey, at 14:30 u mentioned that bloodletting is spirit damage, and I wanted to ask if u are shure about that. Tested it the other day in firing range against jungle creeps, and found no difference with spirit reduction items.
@@sujetgoogol8477 good call-out. I tested it as well and checked around the discord, and it seems like the damage isn't associated to a damage type. That's confusing because in your death recap it shows purple as Spirit
@@eskie-gaming does this game have any equivalent to ‘true’ damage? or is it only from effects like bleed that are coded like this so that they can’t be mitigated? i wonder if pocket ult is also unaffected by spirit resist. it’s something i hadn’t thought about but definitely comes up often in other mobas like league of legends.
he over rotate both lane bcz the share soul mechanic in this game , he can get double soul compare to other player and his teammate still have same amount of soul
Good video concept but need to keep in mind that the best players right now aren't necessarily playing perfect yet. Example being League of Legend's top E-sports players in 2014 played at a macro level that the average gold player of today could easily beat.
how do you find top players? is there a way to easily find high elo matches or players? most of the replays on youtube are just clickbait videos of pubstomps.
The live games in the watch tab are sorted by MMR. The only other way right now would be finding high level players twitch streams. Deadlock has a few tournaments going on and those tournament players usually stream
There's only one thing to study. He put shiv on his roster. I've played 3 games with shiv and solo carry'd my team twice, and those were my only 3 games on him. He's stupidly broken. Each of his abilities are broken with his 3 taking gold as the strongest ability in the game.
the 3 passive is strong but imo the active kinda poopoo, the upgrades are also bad except the 5 sec extra duration which is decent but still not even great
Shiv is a massively feast or famine character. He's really strong when ahead, really average when even, and really crap when behind. There are far more powerful abilities in the game than any of Shiv's. I'd say his ult max rank is the only one even close, and I'd still argue Mcginnis' level 1 wall is stronger no matter how ahead or behind Mcginnis is compared to an ahead Shiv.
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Apologies, I messed up the skill build. The correct one is below.
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Also another correction. Bloodletting doesn't have a damage type and can't be mitigated by Spirit Armor. Bloodletting does appear as purple in your death recap, but it is not spirit damage.
loadout?
oh dang, was kind of excited to try spirit armor on Shiv more but thats good to know
@@Lighthemmeryou can see the final build at the end, but for lane one key item was decay. Decay keeps your rage at max for an uptime of 10s of ever 32s (not sure if the cd goes down during the 10s its up).
@@aeonstrife147 yeah I didn't think it would work because it'd be broken having spirit resist also resist like 45% of bullet damage and also double dip for spirit damage
@@shnitzel9052Why does decay give full rage? :O
Don't let people bully you over pronunciation. Thanks for the coverage.
Thanks. I don't mind laughing at myself though I've definitely gotten some pronunciations wrong lol
@@ByDav1Zzwheres the question
@@Name-kj3mv thats true I didnt read that right the first or the second time mb
One of the voice lines even calls Kelvin Calvin 😂 Yamato I think is the one who has it, so it’s definitely a non-issue
And he mentioned the green one so if that’s viscous just think of it like viss-cuss @eskie-gaming-deadlock
Ive had a hard time playing Shiv recently because of going into engagements without a full rage meter, its kind of annoying trying to keep the gauge up but this gave me good insight on how to get consistent rage build up
@@aeonstrife147 I always thought rage buildup was free since you also get it off of creeps
@@thelaw3536 Problem with that is other people also take creeps, and some have better waveclear than you, so keeping your rage up is hard. Especially with how little most things give rage. Melee attacks give the most rage, everything else seems to give very little, so unless you constantly have creeps around you're not gonna be able to keep it up.
Suggestion: hover over the item description a little longer when explaining the item. It helps those of us who are not too familiar with the item effects!
That's a great suggestion. I can definitely do that in future replay reviews
I also want to point out how strong of an item Ammo scavenger is. At max stacks it provides a total of 26 spirit power. A big chunk of the knife damage came from a tier 1 item. Some tier 3 items don't even provide the spirit power Ammo scanenger provides.
at 11:00 Ammo scavenger was providing 31% of his spirit power. A tier 1 item.
seems like a decent consideration for pocket or warden (or yamato?) since they make good use of both their guns and spirit power. i’ve mostly avoided ammo items because i feel like other tier 1s give more value if you manage your ammo properly, but this comment provides some good insight into heroes in which it might be a good item.
@eebbaa5560 As long as you maintain your last hits, Ammo scavenger provides so much value. I'm going to be trying it out on other heroes as well.
I'm surprised it hasn't popped off harder in the meta because it gives so much opportunity space. You need to manage your ammo efficiently when poking so you don't miss CS on a reload. Ammo scavenger lets you poke aggressively and CS plus it translates to so much more damage on knives. Wouldnt surprise if it gets nerfed at some point.
uh i think your not understanding how ammo scav works. it has a duration its not a permanent uptime of that.
@@DeputyFish I never said the the spirit power you receive from Ammo scav is permanent. When did I say that?
arguably the only reason why he and most others get decay is because it's free (spirit) damage on whomever is hit. stacking decay with bleed is one of the things that gives shiv so much survivability early on because of spirit lifesteal. usually, most people will get decay if they want to win the early game.
shiv seems pretty interesting with a spirit build i kind of want to try him now. these kinds of considerations are things that i’m trying to take into account more often lately as i try to learn the item system and eventually start making my own active decisions while building.
its for rage gain. it literally says why in a few builds
its also just generally good since anti heal and nice dmg. but for shiv its better than anyone else because of the rage gain
Great commentary, keep making more like these
Sick gameplay! Thanks for sharing!
I find it really interesting hearing about utilizing the advantage state. Would be interesting to see you talk about disadvantage state and what to do as well!
i think more videos covering general concepts like that would be useful. maybe like 15 min videos covering how to play from behind with a small section showing the lane phase then key moments that changed the game state later on
Thanks for the suggestion I can definitely do some replays on comebacks and how to play when you're behind
I've been calling Kelvin Kevin and Seven Sven. I don't think I've personally ever called the guardian it's on name, but I tend to always call the walker a walker. Souls and gold have been interchangeable, sometimes we've called them times as a joke. Honestly I don't think anyone really cares right now about pronouncing things, but it is important for educational videos like this, so it's a give and take
our friend group has been calling gray talon hanzo and vindicta widowmaker
I think a lot of the names and designs will change on release,shiv for a guy that look like Elvis doesn't make any sense lol
damn I can't stop calling seven sven too. Dota past is really haunting
Most helpful hero guides on RUclips by far. Please keep it up. Also, the way to pronounce viscous is just Vis-cus or vis-kiss if you say it quickly, youre definitely not alone on the pronunciation for him, seems many people are the same. Either way great content!
wonderful content, thank you very much
I would love to see more Mo & Krill videos, I'm trying to pick those guys up in my rotation of chars. Thanks for the vids
I'll definitely do another Mo&Krill video in the future
You can abuse the mechanic that 2 ppl get the max amount of souls in the same lane until 10 min mark. In pre made matches teams are totally abusing the mechanic. You have 2 people that keep staling their lane and one hero that keeps rotating between those lanes. He then pushes the lane as hard as possible and rotates again. A lot of people are calling for a change of this atm, Since you can have 2 players per team that essentially get almost 2x the amout of souls. And Decay is just great since it's another dot that brings the enemy low and even denies regen. So basically even faster time to execute. Your rage usually never falls off while laning.
Edit: And after i wrote this, I realized that Valve actually fixed the exploit a few days ago.
Ya they patched this out thankfully. I don't know that I like their current fix, but it's definitely better than double soaking
This was an insightful watch. I learned a bunch. Would you mind breaking down the fight sequences, how they are using their abilities to be maximally effective? When its all happening it seems like pure chaos from my view.
I can definitely try to call out the abilities. I do agree though fights in this game can be very chaotic
Oh my gosh...i did not know why decay was in the build...wont be skipping that item ever again
Decay did get nerfed in the last patch but I think it's still a good item on Shiv
I main shiv and did not know the bloodletting damage was spirit damage and that resists lessened the damage I took even more. Thanks for that
I was wrong about that. Sorry. I posted the correction in the pinned comment, but Bloodletting is displayed as purple in your death recap but is not actually any damage type. Unfortunately, you can't mitigate it
i think u didnt emphasize on why he was rotating so much early game. this was a lane abuse people are doing in high bracket. they shove the wave fast and then they go to side lane and soak the exp getting more souls from that lane. pre 10 mins u get duplicate soul for every lane when ur lane mate cs. so basically u are getting double the souls per wave if u push ur wave but ur side lane doesnt push and u connect to get that wave souls too (especially solo lane side lane works the best as u get equal soul duplication and more than 2 players in a lane will share less after that)
but they fixed this today ... so i predict these rotations will not be happening that often. maybe for helping out lanes they will rotate but it will not be that optimal anymore.
new patch fixed the early game rotation to get double wave abuse.
Today at 4:08 PM
- Fixed players being able to exploit soul sharing across multiple lanes to earn more souls than intended. The way the fix is implemented is that each player can only be considered for an enemy trooper death event 4 times per wave number during the laning phase.
like in this game warden is solo laner. so he was taking cs in his lane with yamato which they share equally(notice the agressively push it while warden wave is still there). then he rotates to warden lane and takes the same wave cs equally splitting the wave souls. this was the double wave soul abuse lot of high bracket players are doing it double the souls during lane.
Edit due to duplication he should actually always rotate to the solo lane to push it after oushing his own since it's loss spirt otherwise.
This only aplies for first 10 mins
was going to comment this, glad someone pointed it out
This is going to be changed in an update, stupid for anyone to care about it tbh.
If you're referencing the double soaking that we're seeing tournament teams use, then ya I think that's optimal, but I would imagine Valve will patch that out in the future. I also think that double soaking is harder to pull off in solo queue
@@eskie-gaming it is but it's still free since you can quickly go to and from. Also Hope it's patched
@@thelaw3536 your wish came true my son
Thank you! I've really struggled with making heads or tails with Shiv and this helped out a good bit. I'm fairly new to moba's, but not competitive gaming, so im picking it up fairly quick. There is an area I'm struggling in however.
In the mid/late game, there's this point where I feel like everyone is just *waiting*. Most if not all first guardians/walkers are taken by this point. It seems like an easy fix if you can communicate with your team, but how can I meaningfully contribute when both sides are doing nothing AND your team isnt talking? I end up hesitant to do push on the guardians near base from fear of being CC descended on and throwing the match. Would love to hear your opinion on how to handle it.
Mid game can be hard. My rule of thumb would be if you have a souls lead and you're strong. You want to either push objectives or try to gank. If you're behind in souls, I would focus on farming lanes that get pushed and farming the jungle. It's hard to give specifics because mid game is very context specific, but that's my general advice
subbed bro, great commentary and sincere
Good commentary, worth a sub
Love these videos, super helpful stuff :)
The reason hes ahead on farm is because hes double soaking this means taking souls from 2 waves at once
Thanks bro i gonna play shiv now
Great content all around! Would love to see some goo gang analysis aswell but im not sure if there's too much scene with my goo dboy 💚
very helpful guide good job
Would like it if you post some videos on how to cope with a losing/equal lane.
I can definitely do that
yep decay is a requirement on shiv. it gens that rage so fast
These replay analysis's are really great. I'd much rather this than someone claiming HIGH MMR TOP. 001% and then showing some mid ass gameplay with no useful info. I'm subscribing forsure keep it up
Thanks I appreciate the kind words
Great video, was this game post shiv nerf?
Yes I believe this was played after the shiv nerfs
whats the altenative of restorative shot if youre winning in lane?close combat maybe?high velocity
If you're winning lane hard I'd probably go Headshot Booster or High Velocity Mag
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I have some feedback for ya Eskie.
Nice shirt man!
Hey, at 14:30 u mentioned that bloodletting is spirit damage, and I wanted to ask if u are shure about that.
Tested it the other day in firing range against jungle creeps, and found no difference with spirit reduction items.
@@sujetgoogol8477 good call-out. I tested it as well and checked around the discord, and it seems like the damage isn't associated to a damage type. That's confusing because in your death recap it shows purple as Spirit
@@eskie-gaming does this game have any equivalent to ‘true’ damage? or is it only from effects like bleed that are coded like this so that they can’t be mitigated? i wonder if pocket ult is also unaffected by spirit resist. it’s something i hadn’t thought about but definitely comes up often in other mobas like league of legends.
What item build does he go?
he over rotate both lane bcz the share soul mechanic in this game , he can get double soul compare to other player and his teammate still have same amount of soul
What does CS mean? Its just shootings the saws right?
creep score apparently, essentially last hitting minions
It's creep score which is just last hitting troopers. Apologies I need to change my terminology from other MOBAs lol
Good video concept but need to keep in mind that the best players right now aren't necessarily playing perfect yet. Example being League of Legend's top E-sports players in 2014 played at a macro level that the average gold player of today could easily beat.
I totally agree. I'm sure a year from now the average skill level at this game will be so much higher than today
Shiv is so busted
how do you find top players? is there a way to easily find high elo matches or players? most of the replays on youtube are just clickbait videos of pubstomps.
If you click on "watch" in the menu, you can watch some of this matches
The live games in the watch tab are sorted by MMR. The only other way right now would be finding high level players twitch streams. Deadlock has a few tournaments going on and those tournament players usually stream
Goo is a better name anyway
There's only one thing to study. He put shiv on his roster. I've played 3 games with shiv and solo carry'd my team twice, and those were my only 3 games on him. He's stupidly broken. Each of his abilities are broken with his 3 taking gold as the strongest ability in the game.
the 3 passive is strong but imo the active kinda poopoo, the upgrades are also bad except the 5 sec extra duration which is decent but still not even great
Shiv is a massively feast or famine character. He's really strong when ahead, really average when even, and really crap when behind. There are far more powerful abilities in the game than any of Shiv's. I'd say his ult max rank is the only one even close, and I'd still argue Mcginnis' level 1 wall is stronger no matter how ahead or behind Mcginnis is compared to an ahead Shiv.
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