@@carlvonfuckwits2934 Good point. What is the other side of this story. There are many out there that are quick to label this professional golfer a cheater. I'd be careful. I remember in a local little league dispute where a lawyer was involved, someone made a public statement that he wasn't a lawyer and maybe some other remarks. They had to sell their house to settle a lawsuit brought by the lawyer they said that wasn't. OUCH!
If you are hiring a person for a job, just take him or her golfing. You will find out their personality by the end of the game. This is better than a line of manufactured questions. 😀
At the 2021 tournament he should have been DQ ‘d immediately. The player marking his card should have been called over at the very least before Reid lifted his ball. The PGA failed all players with their actions, what would have happened if the player marking his card had refused to sign it after the round.
And, of course, you would say the same thing about Rory in the same tournament where the exact same thing happened. No you would not. You're a Patrick Reed hater, joining the hate band wagon.
Not surprising he joined the LIV tour. Don't think the fans who watch the Tour will care if he isn't in front of them..we may not watch him on the other 'tour'. We won't miss him, either.
He's a great golfer. I was glad to see him on LIV, got to watch more golf in the past few months on RUclips than I've seen on the PGA Tour in 50 years. So much for the PGA.
Seve used at times used to take a 5 wood and set it behind his ball on the rough when playing a par five. Then suddenly decide he was laying up with an iron. Legal? Maybe cuz he just “grounded” his club. Cheating? Yep, in my book. Reed cheated, has cheated and will be known as one for the remainder of his career. As he should.
He’ll continue to cheat when he thinks he can get away with it. More so when there’s no consequences, so don’t hold your breath until there’s a disqualification or suspension.
He's a cheater and there is no place in a gentlemans game for a cheater. UGA knew it and dealt with it. The tour should as well. There is to much evidence not to.
Of course you mean Rory, right? Or maybe you didn't see that Rory did the same thing in the same tournament but didn't call over a rules official. Would you call Rory a Cheater too?
I don't particularly care for him. As a golfer. He has no integrity for golf. Him picking the ball up. Brushing the sand back. Amongst other stuff. He is clearly a cheater.
Yeah, many here would say that McIlroy cheated in the same tournament where Reed picked his ball up under the same circumstances. If they have any integrity they would.
Not cheating himself he’s cheating the whole field this isn’t a knock about with his mates there is lots of money involved, once a cheat always a cheat
Rory McIlroy is talking when, in the same tournament he had the same thing happen and he didn't call a rules official. He just picked up his ball and replaced it. Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There's no doubt he cheated when he brushed back the sand but he claims he did not feel it. The thing is he broke a rule and was penalized just like holding in the NFL and they never call an offensive lineman a cheater. That said, all the other stuff Reed has been accused of is and will be considered LIABLE in the courts. Reed was deemed to have broken no rule with the embedded ball. Hell, Rory did the exact same thing after that. I play golf and a ball can land in wet rough, bounce up and leave a ball mark which the ball can fall back in. It happens. Reed was also not breaking rules with the palm tree incident. That's the fact. And about these guys bad mouthing Reed, some work for the networks and some use to be on the PGA and now they are not so they can say what they want while not playing for the PGA. If they do work for the PGA as players they can't say shit of they get fined. But the Golf Channel...they are in trouble. Mark my words Chamblee and the Golf Chaneel are going to lose.
Have you seen the video of Tiger having his fans move the loose impediment... err Bolder in Phoenix to win the event? Even the great Arnold Palmer after making a terrible shot with mud on the ball, played a provisional ball to win an event. He hit the provisional & said, we'll let the referees decide. With his army supporting him you can guess how that decision went.
As a amateur golfer even I would know that even at my local tournament’s not to touch any ball where it lies you need a second look go find a Marshall or rules official NEVER MOVE YOUR OWN GOLF BALL UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES
The rules allow you to pick up your ball to identify it. That ball was not visible in that deep grass. You do not want to incur a penalty for playing the wrong ball.
Nice try. There were plenty of spectators who saw it land and knew whose ball it was. The TV camera saw it. It’s not a weekend game with your buds. Lots of eyes on this one.
If you intend to take relief or you think you are entitled to relief you should have your playing partner agree with you assessment before you handle the ball.
The sand brushing incident isn't nice and has lead to him being on everybodys watch list. About the Hero challange inciden. McIllroy did the same thing on another hole. The difference was that he didnt call an official. Nobody was upset about that...
McIlroy is the PGA's fair haired boy..... Good move for Reed to move to LIV. I enjoyed watching him in the LIV tournaments most or all of which are under the LIV Golf channel on RUclips. A hundred hours or so of video.
I always hated that they were calling him Captain America. That should have been reserved for someone with many years of President and Ryder Cup experience. Captain Controversy is much more appropriate.
Still don't understand why you get relief from a embedded ball in the rough but don't get one for a ball in the divot in the fairway Or a embedded ball in a bunker
It's like ALL authorities these days. Repeat, ALL authorities. Weak. Spineless. Gutless. Not leaders. They have rules but are terrified to act within them. Disgraceful.
Sometimes cheating is good, but not professional player because there are many cameras watching you..you will get caught 🤣😂 I believe Patrick Reed cheat it on purpose. My opinion
I agree with the sand brushing but also he would have noticed the pattern of the sand had changed, what I don’t understand is knowing that cameras catch every player at all times, did he actually think it wouldn’t be seen or think he would get away with it , either way just mind numbing, Cheat
Well it is up do the rules committee and whatever golf association Reed is playing in to decide what should be done about him. I don't watch golf anymore since the split of PGA and LIV, so I could care less what happens.
Big Boy Pants Golf, RUclipss hottest golf channel, has videos out that debunk the embedded ball, the moved sand, and treegate. Reed has done nothing wrong……
These are not "He said, she said" moments, It's on camera. How can you say they are debunked? He is a cheat and I wouldn't be surprised if that's really Reed playing on the LPGA under the name of Kim Hyo-Joo in that burka
Im pretty sure a computer wrote the dialog here. Its close and pretty good, but there’s a few clear mistakes any golf person would know. Weird. And yeah this is cheating, and its not even close.
There are a lot of errors in the commentating making PR look worse including the mispronouncing of Xander’s name. He does not have to check with an official or another player to see if his ball is embedded. If you watched the actual telecast there was no way PR could have seen the ball bounce, in spite of its ending up embedded. The movement of the sand, however, looks very bad.
@@lylealexander4861 Yes I know, I was a competitive golfer when I was younger. With the imbedded situation you can tell he’s worried about the camera by where he’s standing. You wouldn’t assess a lie from uphill, at least not the first glance, yet he stands exactly between the ball and the camera and then kneels so his leg blocks the ball. It’s intentional, trust me. And yes the sand is horrible. Any good golfer would certainly feel that contact, and Reed has elite level short game touch. He’s just a cheater and that’s unacceptable in golf.
@@russcontact You say, “It’s intentional. Trust me,” as though it’s a fact. In reality, it’s an opinion. Of course, it could be true. What bothered me about the negative comments from Pepper, Faldo and Baker-Finch, was that they were aired immediately after the PGA Tour official verified that the procedure that PR followed was precisely within the rules. As a person rules certified by the R&A and Golf Canada, I agree that the ruling was correct, based on the information known at that time. But I’m also a competitive player as well and would have called another player over to scrutinize my checking to see if the ball was embedded, even though I didn’t have to. Ironically, Rory was involved in the exact same scenario later, where the ball bounced before coming to rest, and he too claimed the ball was embedded and took relief. And no one batted an eye.
@@lylealexander4861 Yes I agree, technically the ruling was absolutely correct from the officials point of view. But that’s the essence of cheating, isn’t it? I’m not up on what the tv guys said, but if they blamed the official that’s BS. As far as it being my opinion, sure that’s true. But I’ve been around competitive golf enough to understand which body movements are habitual and which are intentional. Its just a natural thing the eye catches now. Of course I can’t officially prove it, but when its the same guy over and over again who’s in the 99+% sure cheating column, at some point those odds are a certainty. Blocking the camera with an weird stance and knee flex, flexing your back muscles as you “grab” the ball, moving quickly and hurrying, and not waiting for another observer, when you’re already known as a cheat?! Cmon now.
@@russcontact There is certainly a high probability that PR did or would do something based on his past history and I am in no way defending him. However, as a referee, a ruling must be made based on the facts known at that time, and exactly in accordance with the rules. That was done in this instance. Plus, if it came down to the player’s word versus another player’s or a spectator, the player’s word it always taken, also in accordance with the rules. That’s why video evidence is very helpful. If it’s discovered later that the player deserved a penalty, those strokes are tacked on to his score at the end unless it’s a DQ. My guess is that the negative comments from Faldo/Pepper/Baker-Finch were taped ahead of time and foolishly played AFTER the on air referee confirmed that PR’s actions were within the rules. LIke you, I have many decades of tournament experience, six exactly, included in those about 15 years of refereeing from club championships to LPGA qualifying and I agree with you that very often one can tell if something shady is going on by a player’s body language or tone of voice, however, before saying something, either as a player or a referee, you better be sure you have proof. Lastly, may I suggest that viewers take rulings made by commentators with a grain of salt as they make a huge number of mistakes, causing those listening to believe that what they said was fact. Later in that same tournament PR’s ball moved on the putting green after being marked and replaced and Nobilo said that he had to play it from the new spot. The on air referee corrected Nobilo telling him that once the ball is marked, the player owns that spot and the moved ball must be replaced. Nobilo”s comment was “I didn’t know that.” Just one example but there have been many.
He is a cheat unpleasant and not a player golf can be proud of it up to the people running golf to bring him to account not his fellow players. I cant watch him anymore.
He should be kicked off the tour for bringing the game into disrepute,for good,that’s the only recourse,what it does is show the younger players that it’s ok to cheat
Other sports have cheating as a central part of the game, football is a good example, and they are worse for it. As an amateur who plays comps every week, I have heard about cheating but never actually seen it, I'd like it to stay that way. Professional cheats especially affect young people and their behaviour.
If you’ve played in a comp you’ve experienced cheats,dodgy handicaps for example, do you follow your playing partner into the rough or green side bunker? was it just in bounds again? We all want to believe it doesn’t happen, unfortunately we’re all stupid, coz it does, all the time!
You need to have your auto generated narrator learn how to pronounce these "legends" names. Speaking of legends, except for Faldo and Tiger, these other players you're using are even close to that level. This is Bush League stuff.
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As a golfer for 50 yrs there is no way you can brush the sand in a bunker and not feel it. He cheated.
Exactly!Dude didn't brush either...he shoveled!😏🤣
I want to know how that bunker was so awfully unraked and printed up....
@@dunningkruger3774 It wasn't a bunker it was a waste area but you still can't improve your lie.
That was no bunker. The area was more like moon dust.
@@carlvonfuckwits2934 Good point. What is the other side of this story. There are many out there that are quick to label this professional golfer a cheater. I'd be careful. I remember in a local little league dispute where a lawyer was involved, someone made a public statement that he wasn't a lawyer and maybe some other remarks. They had to sell their house to settle a lawsuit brought by the lawyer they said that wasn't. OUCH!
The fact that he played on his own in the practice rounds for The Open says what other players think of him.
If you are hiring a person for a job, just take him or her golfing. You will find out their personality by the end of the game. This is better than a line of manufactured questions. 😀
what if they do not know how to play the game?
Best way to get to know someone
@@immortalgaiden then you don't take them, that wasn't so hard.🤔
@@stevelangsdorf7307 then how will you find out their personality with a game of golf?
@@immortalgaiden You are a fine example of why homeschooling does not end well.
There is no way on Earth he moved that sand by accident, he done it twice for F sake.
Holy F*** hire a voice over who knows what he’s saying and the names involved!!!! Brutal
I love how he repeats what the fucking video interview had just said 5 seconds earlier, too. just string out the video a little longer. 😮💨
Agreed....I amoutta here.............
Xander “Shof-lee”
@@sloebone7399 really! Shows that Mr. doesn’t follow golf!
Who is Xander ‘Shoffel’?
Just some Olympic gold metalist😄
@@californialiving8368 lol he was talking about the mis pronunciation of his name 😜
@@californialiving8368 It's Shof-fee-lee
There’s a saying that if you want to know a person’s character take them golfing, it’s true
Patrick as no integrity
You don't know this man, you're talking out the other end buddy!
At the 2021 tournament he should have been DQ ‘d immediately. The player marking his card should have been called over at the very least before Reid lifted his ball. The PGA failed all players with their actions, what would have happened if the player marking his card had refused to sign it after the round.
This is part of the problem. Players are too chicken-shit to call out fellow competitors for cheating.
And, of course, you would say the same thing about Rory in the same tournament where the exact same thing happened. No you would not. You're a Patrick Reed hater, joining the hate band wagon.
Golf IS a game of honesty and integrity..Reid doesn't have either
Possibly the same as another prominent American who plays a lot of golf.
No, you're just defaming this man.
Not surprising he joined the LIV tour. Don't think the fans who watch the Tour will care if he isn't in front of them..we may not watch him on the other 'tour'. We won't miss him, either.
He's a great golfer. I was glad to see him on LIV, got to watch more golf in the past few months on RUclips than I've seen on the PGA Tour in 50 years. So much for the PGA.
You’ll be watching him a lot more because his tour just bought yours 😂
I’ve watched him ground his club behind the ball numerous times when he’s in the rough trying to improve his lie.
You are allowed to ground your club. Trying to improve his lie is an opinion.
Seve used at times used to take a 5 wood and set it behind his ball on the rough when playing a par five. Then suddenly decide he was laying up with an iron. Legal? Maybe cuz he just “grounded” his club. Cheating? Yep, in my book. Reed cheated, has cheated and will be known as one for the remainder of his career. As he should.
USPGA has almost as much to answer for. Reed is just a plain cheat. Period
No, he is not.
I find it so easy to cheer against Reed.
Why do you just repeat what they say in the clip?
Super annoying
Once caught Cheating = a cheater
Second time = stupid cheater
He’ll continue to cheat when he thinks he can get away with it. More so when there’s no consequences, so don’t hold your breath until there’s a disqualification or suspension.
LIV loves cheaters, I guess
He's a cheater and there is no place in a gentlemans game for a cheater. UGA knew it and dealt with it. The tour should as well. There is to much evidence not to.
I cannot believe that he picked up his ball! Unreal
Of course you mean Rory, right? Or maybe you didn't see that Rory did the same thing in the same tournament but didn't call over a rules official. Would you call Rory a Cheater too?
He is a cheater. Plain and simple. Too bad because he also is a great golfer. He doesn't need to cheat.
"CHEATER" LMAO
The best is when the Australian fans yelled "hey Patrick you really gonna make your caddy carry 14 clubs and a shovel?" At the Presidents Cup.
@@faretheewell3711 gave me a good laugh hahaha!
I don't particularly care for him. As a golfer. He has no integrity for golf. Him picking the ball up. Brushing the sand back. Amongst other stuff. He is clearly a cheater.
@@faretheewell3711 Australians have not embraced the politically correct way....yet...but it's coming
Do you think Patrick Reed deserves to still be on tour?
Nope
I don’t think you deserve to be on RUclips.
Haha, nice one
He’s not on the Tour! He took the cash and a lot less scrutiny on “rules” in the LIV world!
Why kind of assanine question is that? Man, you sound like the communists that run this Country and most of the other countries in the world.
Schauffle's name is pronounced "Shof- lee", Not Shauffle....You're welcome.
You don't say waf-lee, you say waffle 😂
Just show them this in court Chamblee . Nothing else needs to be said !!
Why are you repeating EVERYTHING?
If you play a clip of the player's opinions, you don't need to quote then afterwards.
He has always been a cheat.....
Where there's smoke, there's fire.
One incident, ok.But there are multiple including his college teammates.
There's a 🔥
yeah its a snowball effect
hes a f,,, king cheater plain and simple.,He has no honor.
Gotta love mcilroy 👊🏼
Yeah, many here would say that McIlroy cheated in the same tournament where Reed picked his ball up under the same circumstances. If they have any integrity they would.
Rory
They say in golf your only cheating yourself but if you go on to a better score through an insedent that's wrong to the rest of the field.
Not cheating himself he’s cheating the whole field this isn’t a knock about with his mates there is lots of money involved, once a cheat always a cheat
Patrick Reed has an integrity problem.😳💯
No, he does not. That's why he is suing the ass off the Golf Channel, the commentator they employe and others. Anyone with integrity would do that.
Rory McIlroy is talking when, in the same tournament he had the same thing happen and he didn't call a rules official. He just picked up his ball and replaced it. Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reed might be a cheater, but at least he doesn’t make terrible videos. You have the clips of what golfers are saying so show us. Don’t talk.
There's no doubt he cheated when he brushed back the sand but he claims he did not feel it. The thing is he broke a rule and was penalized just like holding in the NFL and they never call an offensive lineman a cheater. That said, all the other stuff Reed has been accused of is and will be considered LIABLE in the courts. Reed was deemed to have broken no rule with the embedded ball. Hell, Rory did the exact same thing after that. I play golf and a ball can land in wet rough, bounce up and leave a ball mark which the ball can fall back in. It happens. Reed was also not breaking rules with the palm tree incident. That's the fact. And about these guys bad mouthing Reed, some work for the networks and some use to be on the PGA and now they are not so they can say what they want while not playing for the PGA. If they do work for the PGA as players they can't say shit of they get fined. But the Golf Channel...they are in trouble. Mark my words Chamblee and the Golf Chaneel are going to lose.
When he signed up with the LIV golf bunch, he was the only player I would have paid the LIV group to take him. He is a complete a**.
100% don't need cheater in the PGA
Reed is a sad, pathetic excuse for a human being.
VO Guy: #5 Rory McIlroy
*Proceeds to show entire McIlroy clip*
VO Guy: Up next, Rory McIlroy
*Proceeds to talk about what we all just heard*
I concur take a man golfing to find out his real way of being?
He’s a great liar, pretender, and a very good golfer🤷🏼♂️
Doubtful. Very good golfer yes.
Where I come from, any cheating results in penalty shots, or DQ. I played a lot of amateur golf, you play it as it lies.
Right - nonsense.
Have you seen the video of Tiger having his fans move the loose impediment... err Bolder in Phoenix to win the event? Even the great Arnold Palmer after making a terrible shot with mud on the ball, played a provisional ball to win an event. He hit the provisional & said, we'll let the referees decide. With his army supporting him you can guess how that decision went.
Exactly!
That how Arnie won his first Masters
I googled "Patrick Cheat" and found MANY articles on Reed cheating.
Name one factual incident where he cheated.
As a amateur golfer even I would know that even at my local tournament’s not to touch any ball where it lies you need a second look go find a Marshall or rules official NEVER MOVE YOUR OWN GOLF BALL UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES
Actually you are allowed to identify your ball and if it's writing side down you are allowed to lift but must replace exactly in the same place.
What the hell is this video? Show a golfer talking and then repeat what they just said.
‘A lot of people are saying’ that cheating in the the LIV tournaments is both recommended and rewarded with million dollar bonuses. 🤔
Horse Crap comment, where is your integrity? In the shitter?
If you slander a professional for cheating, this one will come after you and rightfully so.
I'm not a fan of Mr Reed.
If one doesn't want o be known as a cheat, one must act above reproach. Mr Reed sails very close to the wind and that's when his problems start.
Sails very close to the wind. Where did you get that from, a fortune cookie?
@@robertbrown7470 Are fortune cookies an American invention?
The rules allow you to pick up your ball to identify it. That ball was not visible in that deep grass. You do not want to incur a penalty for playing the wrong ball.
Nice try. There were plenty of spectators who saw it land and knew whose ball it was. The TV camera saw it. It’s not a weekend game with your buds. Lots of eyes on this one.
Patrick and the others on the Saudi tour will be forgotten before their next lawsuit set for 2024.
In your dreams....! lol
He is a cheater!
Let us hear those golfers say it in their own words, not you reading it.
Great point!
If you intend to take relief or you think you are entitled to relief you should have your playing partner agree with you assessment before you handle the ball.
You mean like McIlroy did under the same circumstances in the same tournament, right?
He should not be aloud to play without supervision. He can not be trusted
Allowed
The sand brushing incident isn't nice and has lead to him being on everybodys watch list.
About the Hero challange inciden. McIllroy did the same thing on another hole. The difference was that he didnt call an official. Nobody was upset about that...
McIlroy is the PGA's fair haired boy..... Good move for Reed to move to LIV. I enjoyed watching him in the LIV tournaments most or all of which are under the LIV Golf channel on RUclips. A hundred hours or so of video.
You played the video of people saying their piece and then repeated it word for word
Makes you think, what he did to win the masters now.
Played one stroke better than everyone else. It’s wrong to assume.
@@lylealexander4861 no it’s not, once a cheater always a cheater.
@@zombiehunter1152 Yes it is and you know it.
@@lylealexander4861 I don’t cheat thankyou very much
@@zombiehunter1152 It’s not about you but your uncalled for assumption.
I would've liked to have heard their comments..
How do you call it cheating when he is NOT penalized.
That’s like stealing but not getting caught
Cause he cheated to not to get penalized by pushing the ball down to embed it. You must have a very low iq.
The best way to get ride of this PGA player to LIV.
I always hated that they were calling him Captain America. That should have been reserved for someone with many years of President and Ryder Cup experience. Captain Controversy is much more appropriate.
Still don't understand why you get relief from a embedded ball in the rough but don't get one for a ball in the divot in the fairway
Or a embedded ball in a bunker
Cheaters cheat
How could there be hole made under the ball when it bounced
He made the hole when he was feeling around for it
He cheated
It's like ALL authorities these days. Repeat, ALL authorities. Weak. Spineless. Gutless. Not leaders. They have rules but are terrified to act within them. Disgraceful.
What a reputation to have?
You don't need to show the person saying something and then repeat it. We heard it the first time
Sometimes cheating is good, but not professional player because there are many cameras watching you..you will get caught 🤣😂 I believe Patrick Reed cheat it on purpose. My opinion
Shaw-ful? Ugh 🤦🏽♂️ get it right before posting
in my opinion the only athlete hated more than Reed is Freddie Blassie
I agree with the sand brushing but also he would have noticed the pattern of the sand had changed, what I don’t understand is knowing that cameras catch every player at all times, did he actually think it wouldn’t be seen or think he would get away with it , either way just mind numbing, Cheat
Well it is up do the rules committee and whatever golf association Reed is playing in to decide what should be done about him. I don't watch golf anymore since the split of PGA and LIV, so I could care less what happens.
Why can’t you get a narrator that actually knows the sport of golf? This guy obviously knows nothing about the game.
How is it that the narrator doesn't know how to pronounce Xander Schauffele's last name?
Big Boy Pants Golf, RUclipss hottest golf channel, has videos out that debunk the embedded ball, the moved sand, and treegate. Reed has done nothing wrong……
These are not "He said, she said" moments, It's on camera. How can you say they are debunked? He is a cheat and I wouldn't be surprised if that's really Reed playing on the LPGA under the name of Kim Hyo-Joo in that burka
Another video for the defense team of Brandon Chamblee and Golf Channel!
It's actually about one the LIV players that cheats. But he's retired from competitive golf, so he's irrelevant now.
No, you have it backwards.
@@renejean2523 Rory McIlroy retired from competitive golf? When did that happen?
@@robertbrown7470 - I said a LIV player. Rory's not a LIV player.
@@renejean2523 No kidding!
Thanks for over explaining everything
Im pretty sure a computer wrote the dialog here. Its close and pretty good, but there’s a few clear mistakes any golf person would know. Weird.
And yeah this is cheating, and its not even close.
There are a lot of errors in the commentating making PR look worse including the mispronouncing of Xander’s name. He does not have to check with an official or another player to see if his ball is embedded. If you watched the actual telecast there was no way PR could have seen the ball bounce, in spite of its ending up embedded. The movement of the sand, however, looks very bad.
@@lylealexander4861 Yes I know, I was a competitive golfer when I was younger. With the imbedded situation you can tell he’s worried about the camera by where he’s standing. You wouldn’t assess a lie from uphill, at least not the first glance, yet he stands exactly between the ball and the camera and then kneels so his leg blocks the ball. It’s intentional, trust me. And yes the sand is horrible. Any good golfer would certainly feel that contact, and Reed has elite level short game touch. He’s just a cheater and that’s unacceptable in golf.
@@russcontact You say, “It’s intentional. Trust me,” as though it’s a fact. In reality, it’s an opinion. Of course, it could be true. What bothered me about the negative comments from Pepper, Faldo and Baker-Finch, was that they were aired immediately after the PGA Tour official verified that the procedure that PR followed was precisely within the rules. As a person rules certified by the R&A and Golf Canada, I agree that the ruling was correct, based on the information known at that time. But I’m also a competitive player as well and would have called another player over to scrutinize my checking to see if the ball was embedded, even though I didn’t have to. Ironically, Rory was involved in the exact same scenario later, where the ball bounced before coming to rest, and he too claimed the ball was embedded and took relief. And no one batted an eye.
@@lylealexander4861 Yes I agree, technically the ruling was absolutely correct from the officials point of view. But that’s the essence of cheating, isn’t it? I’m not up on what the tv guys said, but if they blamed the official that’s BS.
As far as it being my opinion, sure that’s true. But I’ve been around competitive golf enough to understand which body movements are habitual and which are intentional. Its just a natural thing the eye catches now. Of course I can’t officially prove it, but when its the same guy over and over again who’s in the 99+% sure cheating column, at some point those odds are a certainty. Blocking the camera with an weird stance and knee flex, flexing your back muscles as you “grab” the ball, moving quickly and hurrying, and not waiting for another observer, when you’re already known as a cheat?! Cmon now.
@@russcontact There is certainly a high probability that PR did or would do something based on his past history and I am in no way defending him. However, as a referee, a ruling must be made based on the facts known at that time, and exactly in accordance with the rules. That was done in this instance. Plus, if it came down to the player’s word versus another player’s or a spectator, the player’s word it always taken, also in accordance with the rules. That’s why video evidence is very helpful. If it’s discovered later that the player deserved a penalty, those strokes are tacked on to his score at the end unless it’s a DQ.
My guess is that the negative comments from Faldo/Pepper/Baker-Finch were taped ahead of time and foolishly played AFTER the on air referee confirmed that PR’s actions were within the rules.
LIke you, I have many decades of tournament experience, six exactly, included in those about 15 years of refereeing from club championships to LPGA qualifying and I agree with you that very often one can tell if something shady is going on by a player’s body language or tone of voice, however, before saying something, either as a player or a referee, you better be sure you have proof.
Lastly, may I suggest that viewers take rulings made by commentators with a grain of salt as they make a huge number of mistakes, causing those listening to believe that what they said was fact. Later in that same tournament PR’s ball moved on the putting green after being marked and replaced and Nobilo said that he had to play it from the new spot. The on air referee corrected Nobilo telling him that once the ball is marked, the player owns that spot and the moved ball must be replaced. Nobilo”s comment was “I didn’t know that.” Just one example but there have been many.
shawff-lay, holmes.
Where did they get these announcers? They can't even pronounce the names of the golfers they are talking about.
How hard is to find an actual golfer to read the script???? As soon as he said Xander’s last name I tuned out!!
my bad
As soon as he said controversial in that way I had to jump off
He is a cheat unpleasant and not a player golf can be proud of it up to the people running golf to bring him to account not his fellow players. I cant watch him anymore.
Wish this guy could pronounce Xander's last name
He should be kicked off the tour for bringing the game into disrepute,for good,that’s the only recourse,what it does is show the younger players that it’s ok to cheat
Be careful with the comments or he’ll sue you for defamation 🤪🤣😂
Other sports have cheating as a central part of the game, football is a good example, and they are worse for it. As an amateur who plays comps every week, I have heard about cheating but never actually seen it, I'd like it to stay that way. Professional cheats especially affect young people and their behaviour.
If you’ve played in a comp you’ve experienced cheats,dodgy handicaps for example, do you follow your playing partner into the rough or green side bunker? was it just in bounds again? We all want to believe it doesn’t happen, unfortunately we’re all stupid, coz it does, all the time!
Reed and Woods.....................Two of a kind.....Reed in golf......Woods in golf, women, drugs, etc.
I hate when the narrator doesn’t know how to pronounce famous golfers names.
Who is Schoffel?!?! 😂😂😂😂 do your research guy
Shauffels? It is Shoff-Lee
short memories. the tour flourished under a supported cheater.
You need to have your auto generated narrator learn how to pronounce these "legends" names. Speaking of legends, except for Faldo and Tiger, these other players you're using are even close to that level. This is Bush League stuff.
He has enough money for burgers and doughnuts for life. Off you go kid
why do you repeat what we just heard from the players?
Lanto Griffin is a golf legend? 😂 🤔
Xander Shawful...lmao
Why keep repeating what the golfer just said? We can hear.
cant beleave he is still playing he should have his pro card taken away once a cheat allways a cheat
If you want to post a video on a topic I think you should at least know the subjects well enough to pronounce their names correctly
Reed is The biggest cheatr In golf, period! He should be banned !