You are absolutely correct. Now we are 40 and I honestly don’t care about the NBA whatsoever. It started with all that woke BS and crying from these weak*** men if you can call them men. 90’s B-Ball was the 💩 for sure. My favorite was KJ, Barkley, Dan Marly, etc. sucks my Suns didn’t bet the bulls. MJ and the bulls were too much for us. Great time ever!
I was there to watch most of the 80s as well I got to go with the 80s it wasn't quite as physical the guys hit open jumpers the beauty of the game as John Wooden would describe it, and the 90s post Pistons Bad Boy era which was extremely physical and dirty it was more like football, the Bulls decided okay I guess we have to play that way too then came the Knicks and the Heat , teams often scoring in the 80s, sometimes 70s. Etc To me it already started to get too damn physical in the 90s , now it's the opposite of that I'd have to go with the 80s. Not just the Lakers and Celtics, early on the Sixers later on the Mavericks were loaded, the Atlanta Hawks and the Milwaukee Bucks, only 23 teams, so many that were loaded, teams that couldn't reach the NBA finals and they were deep, with some with all starting five and multiple players off the bench who could score score score and it was somewhat physical just not as physical as the 90s
I quit watching the NBA when physical defense was no longer allowed and they just started shooting nothing but 3s and allowed to walk 5+ steps to the basket and the flopping was allowed as well. All about scoring, defense no longer allowed in the NBA. 70s-80s-90s era was the greatest era of the NBA imo.
Yah man. I remember before the 3 point line. Now it looks like soccer. The ball flies long distance and guys flopping. And I'ma say it ... Stepping back is not a move that is fun to watch!!!
OMG YES! You knew who the deadly shooters were and anticipated when they got a clean shot up...nowadays everybody shoot 3's so I never know why i should care if this guy or the next guy shoots it?
@@TeslaSpaceX Rest of the world plays with a different set if rules in which the NBA players have to adapt while creating chemistry with each other 'cause most of them haven't played together and the other bunch reunites every 4 or 8 years... In any case that's a testament if how superior USA players are (for now) in comparison to other countries. The world of basketball in general is evolving so eventually it will reach USA's level, that's inevitable
I go back to the 1960’s when the league was dominated by the bigs like Chamberlain, Russell, Thurmond, and Beatty. There was no 3-point shot so when the great Oscar Robertson, at 6’5”, averaged a triple-double over the first five seasons (384 games) of his career, he had to do it with basketball acumen and his incredible all-around skill set which was as good as anyone in the history of the game.
The "problem" the league identified was that there were never enough talented bigs to go around. At any given time, there were only a handful of them. It was much easier to find shorter guys to shoot 3s as long as the rules were changed to reflect it. Same with the NFL. There have never been enough really good QBs out there, so the rules were loosened up so that glorified RBs who can throw a little had bigger windows to throw to. They're not nearly as skilled as the average solid starter used to be in the NFL, but Vegas needs stats to sell to the ignorant masses, so ...
@@farlapjones100% true! If you watch before 2000s games and players there was a completely different ethic at play. So its not just the disastrous rule changes, its about the type of players at play. We can take it to the bank, that if we don't evolve again as a society, we won t ever see a player better than the old guard. Sad but true. Anyone who watches the todays NBA is part of the problem.
I stopped watching the NBA a long time ago. Not interested. They make way too much money & so it's really expensive to go watch a sporting event. Thats not right. It cost way too much just to go watch guys playing Basketball. 🙄 A lot of them act like spoiled babies too. Yeah, no thank you 🙋♂️ 👎
@@joshportie I keep telling people this. The narrative of Lebron is he's unselfish and makes his teammates better, which is complete BS. He's the biggest ball hog in the history of the game. Everyone just stands around waiting for that pass from him, or watching him chuck up a brick.
@AsukasButler you just explained a team issue not a bron issue. When bron is posting up or has the ball he's constantly seeverying the floor looking for his team to cut or come of screens but they just stand there. That's not on lebron.
Is anyone really surprised this happened? Look at how MLB has been destroyed, starting with the hold up 4 fingers for walking a batter. Then the fiasco of extra innings which completely changed the game. How does a person get that much power to change the way a baseball game should be played? Oh, perhaps a panel of people discusses then votes on the changes. Either way MLB sill suffer bigtime. It's just a matter of time. The NFL is probably the best of the big 3 sports. They made some rule changes on kickoffs I don't like them but what are the fans to do? I'd suggest stay home and watch it on TV.
I agree with Barry about the extra step. What the league has done by allowing players to travel is penalized good defense. The reason players have to take the extra step is that the defender has forced them to do it to break free to score. Now, if they started calling the travel, players would adjust, but they wouldn't be able to overcome great defense in the same way.
Pay these players less. Take away these long term huge contracts, prevent super teams, bring back the big man and post up play, bring back hand checking and solid defence
these spoiled unsufferable dudes should get waaaay less money but in reality then you have that " bimbominkia" Lamelo Ball who was already a " superstar " and a billionaire before even playing his first nba game.....if the league would enforce the rules the right way this guy wouldn't be able to get away with all the bullshit that he does on the court...palming..traveling...
This is what happened when you let alone skinny half balded dude run the league. I doubted the commissioner played a game of meaningful basketball in his life. He reminds me more of a LBGxxxx leader.
They all grow up playing together in AAU and hanging out in the summers. They train together 😂. No competitive edges when they come back in the fall. AAU coaches just let them play. No hard practices anymore, and they don’t train to be iron men. That’s why they get hurt all the time
The refereeing is simply horrible - these guys travel 3, 4, 5 and more steps with no whistle, they double dribble constantly as long as some spectacular dunk follows. The NBA has become a circus.
You guys are just figuring this out now in 2024???? I began to lose interest around 2006 and haven't watch a single regular season or post season game since 2009......I was a HUGE NBA fan 1975 to 1999 and held season tickets for almost a decade
Really don't comment of these BUT as an retired collegiate official this video is 'spot on'! My last season on the court our crew was criticized for calling 'too many' traveling calls. In fact we had more violation calls than personal foul calls. There is a 'trickle' down affect...what you see in the NBA you will eventually see on the collegiate level and sooner or later see on the high school level! These needs to be corrected now! The rule book has minimal changes each year and the majority of the changes have to do administrative changes...heaven help the sport I love!
I'm about half-way there. It's not always so much of a trickle down, but once they realized that there were never going to be enough really good bigs, rule changes made it abundantly clear that the lower levels needed to start coaching the long-range shot. Basically, the edict is made at the top, then it's up to the bottom to bubble up to fill that demand. Take care.
I don't think it's the defense so much as the inconsistency in calls. And some of the refs seem to have personal vendetta against players which they may not like.
You guys are just figuring this out now in 2024???? I began to lose interest around 2006 and haven't watch a single regular season or post season game since 2009......I was a HUGE NBA fan 1975 to 1999 and held season tickets for almost a decade
@@timothyclay8369 just say its rigged, cause its true. some games they call everything, some games they even allow handchecking. they gave the refs too much power, just to make it easier to manipulate games
@@nomadkeller8612i am with you on this one.... I remember every Knick player that includes the bench... and coaching staff from 1984 to 2011 I just lost interest in the game due to the lack of defense
@@timothyclay8369 The only way you can defend in today's NBA is by switching, otherwise you're screwed from that stupid 3 point shot. Basically there needs to be a rule enforced that allows anyone taking a 3 to be tackled by the defender, otherwise this nonsense won't stop.
- no defense - centers not being centers - less n less PGs - travelling - flopping - Playstation teams chasers - Inconsistency of the refs - Too much interruptions - emphasis on stats instead of the game itself
Something wrong with popular entertainment as a whole. From Tv show, movies, documentaries, NBA/NFL (only sports I watch), video games etc... It's all just soulless and mindless money grabs
I’ve said the same thing it’s seem like entertainment as a whole is just mediocre. Like you said tv/movies aren’t good anymore, sports aren’t hitting like they used too just seems like the overall pop culture has fell off a cliff.
Do you include clouds or Netflix as such? I'm a heavy fan of BLURAY and DVD for those movies or TV Series that I want to watch over and over with a TV set. It's hard to find and buy movies for my collection theses days even those just over 2 or 3 years old movies. An example of a new technology that I am not fond of.
You nailed it. It's not just the NBA and sports. These guys are all griping while utilizing the technology of social media to keep themselves viable to the masses. Society is devolving, but they are the well-heeled that it shelters with tax breaks. They have no clue.
THANK YOU RICK BARRY for saying it out loud! These performance enhancing refs that cant count to 3 and dont call all the carrying are killing the game! And all the flopping that they fall for needs to stop too!
Rick Barry summed it up. The NBA has chosen to relax the rules for more scoring. There's so much carrying and traveling that players are allowed to get away with nowadays. Geno Auriemma said it best when he said "Today's players are more skilled than they've ever been, but they don't know how to play team basketball".
I used to pay for league pass to watch NBA every year back in the days. Because basketball was so much fun to watch back in the 80s and in the 90s. I used to see big man vs big man underneath the basket, abusing each other throughout the game, flexing their muscles, and throwing each other on the floor. In todays basketball, your center ( big man) is sitting in the corner waiting to shoot a damn 3. So I agree 120%, we all shared the same frustrations about todays NBA. The average 3 points shots in the game are 30. It's like a 3 point shot competition to see which team can shoot more 3s. It's ridiculous.
In the 80s and 90s there were so many guys to love Mj, Bird, Magic, Ewing, Charles, Reggie I can go on forever. Nowadays it's hard to like a handful of guys.
Because all yall do is shit on players for not having a ring, or having a bad playoff series , or missing a game winner , if all those guys you named played today yall would take a dump on them every chance yall get just like yall do todays players .
@@mel0214in football ( what u call soccer ) , the players care and die on the pitch. NBA player are so spoiled, entitled there is no competition and is not attractive . Morant was laughing when he lost the playoff, here player cry when they lose on the playoff . No fight , no scream anything, they work toghrter too in the offseason😂😂
I stopped watching NBA basketball with all the flopping, no heart, no passion, no desire all about stats and clicks it's a real turn off. Not to mention no defense, effortless, I could go on and on its just a real waste of time to spend a couple hrs watching this nonsense. Very boring too.
The standard “ underrated” comment on every single thread no matter what. Rick Berry is not and never was underrated. And look you only got 11 likes for it.
It's an easy fix allow players to play tough and physical defense allow handcheck. Physical defense create beef and heat among players. Beef create dramas and rivalries, dramas and rivalries create excitement, excitement create fans. Fans create ratings.
Exactly, this is what I got watching the 30 for 30 with Reggie Miller and the Pacers against the Knicks and also 30 for 30 with the Bad Boy Pistons. It reminded me why those 2 decades of basketball were so fun to watch.
I agree about the suggestions but it’s not going to happen. Steph is the most popular NBA player worldwide. Handchecking would hurt his game and many fans would hate that.
The carrying is the other big problem. If a guy can can tap dance and palm to get a shot and they’re so happy to call defensive fouls, the 3 is going to remain relatively easy. Look at how much space these guys have at the 3 point line.
Rick Barry is the most realest, the game just flat out suck. Adam Silver, Analytics, Steph, Lebron, James Harden and Klutch Sports are main reason how bad this game is. Flopping, Load Management, 3 pt shooting, Travelling, carrying, no defense, and just offense
You are right. I just can't watch all those 3 point attemps like that. They just shoot them for no reason. No defense. Everyone is scared to foul now because they may get fined. They really messed the game up. Lebron needs to retire. He looks like a grandfather out there with those young players
@@pound4pound380 Why would he retire? He's getting paid millions of dollars. It's his job, man. It's how he affords a life for his family. You need to retire from your job! Stop affording your life.
I started watching the NBA in the beginning of the 90's and all my friends said the best were the 80's. Jordan dominated those years. But to me, the best to watch was those 30 minutes of NBA Magic tv show where I understood the teams and the guys who were the face of them. Jordan & Pippen for the Bulls, Malone & Stockton for the Jazz, Payton & Kemp for the gone Sonics, Ewing & Oakley for the Knicks, Robertson for the Spurs, Olajuwon for the Rockets, etc. This is really what I missed comparing to today's NBA's teams and game. There was nostalgic. There was charisma. All these players were the game itself. This was the NBA. 92's Dream Team was a luxury! Those were really the best of the best...
If a team has the guts to play the right way, I am convinced they will win a championship! That's when other teams will follow suit. Lebron is still an old school player (outside of taking plays off and walking back on defense). Guys like Durant, Westbrook and Harden have ruined their games by copying Steph Curry. The older players seem to be some of the best mid range scorers. But Luka Doncic is one of the exceptions. He is young, but is good in the mid range.
They get paid way waaaaaay too much. Once you make 25 million, who's going to tell you anything? Fines lose all meanings and they are basically at a point where they give no fucks. And I hate how people defend the salaries "They are worth it!"... Yea... Have you seen a game? Or should I say have you seen the ads with a bit of play time in between? We are suffering ads on ads on fucking ads so they can get these ridiculous salaries. We're paying for it with our time and money.
@@man_kind it's not about the money they getting paid, it's about the efforts and how the game is. getting paid that much isn't an issue if they playing hard defense, refs aren't calling soft fouls and techs and bring back hand checks
@@MobPsychoooooo I'd argue even if they played hard the games would be mostly unwatchable with the ads and stoppages. Compare it to the Olympic games. Those games were just electric and felt like constant action. The watch the NBA and the endless free throws and ads and more ads. It's pure shite.
The real problem is the average fan is dumb as a bag of rocks, and the more mainstream something becomes, like basketball, the more it will appeal to the lowest common denominator. The average fan today won't appreciate the style of play in the 80s and 90s where you had nuance. It was physical. You had a balance of the 3 point shot, mid range, post play, big players, small players, etc.. You had a mix of amazing athletes and tacticians with complex strategies to get past the defense. But, the NBA doesn't want final scores of 82-90 anymore like it was in the late 90s-early 00s. They want 120-130 final scores, which is exacerbated by the fact that most players are lazy in the regular season and play no defense. Also, if you live by the 3 pointer, you also die by the 3 pointer. It's great when you're hitting them, but you will lose if you aren't, and badly. That was seen just last playoffs between the Nuggets and Timberwolves. They took turns blowing each other out by 25-30 points every game for 7 games. It was ridiculous. You don't need to shoot 30-40 three pointers per game as a team, especially if you aren't making them.
Mj made the game simple to average the most ppg till this day. 2 layups and a 3 in each quarter is 28 points, these guys shoot all of these 3s when you can make 28 points a game by 2 layups and a 3 pointer each quarter. Mjs the goat💯
Like you said, he made the game easier and less complicated just by the way you explained it. That is why he had such a high PER and still almost averaged 40 just of jump shots, lay ups, dunks alone
MJ was a great player because he understood that he couldn't win alone. At some early point in his career he came to realize that if he wanted to go out a champion, that he would have to learn to play team ball, and that is exactly what he did. He had some good players around him and he used them effectively to win 6 championships. There were more that just MJ and Pippen on those teams, but they are the 2 that get the most accolades.
I believe the biggest thing is the passion and love for the game is gone and these new players only look at getting that next big contract and all that winning rings and setting a legacy doesn’t matter anymore. It’s sad to see.
The modern perimeter player has two major advantages with spacing: because the defender can't hand check, you don't have to use your own body to shield the ball anymore. You can now square up while dribbling and, as such, are closer to a shooting (and passing) position all the time. Secondly, your ability to carry, double-dribble, and travel allows you to quickly distance yourself from the defender (sometimes comically). Players simply get cleaner looks nowadays. It's not just that they are better shooters. If they were, the top ten free throw shooters of all time would be active players. They legislated a different game, and most people don't like the product anymore.
Exactly. The 3 is a better shot these days because of all the thing you mentioned. Players and coaches are adapting to a broken ruleset, and that leads to all the problems except maybe the lack of rivalry. That being said, if it becomes a more physical game again, it will get personal and you’d probably have more rivalry as well, less laughing on bench etc.
The main reason why I stopped coaching is because the opposition coach teaches his players how to travel and carry the ball. The refs don't call it, we get beat and, of course, I look like a fool. It's all about the show now. Not about the game. Great video, btw.
Complaining about load management is just another example of how selfish we've become as people and fans. Load management comes from doctors within sports medicine as a strategy to safeguard athlete health When you buy a ticket, you're not paying to see athlete X but the team. They are not circus animals to put your enjoyment above their own long-term health. Magic and that generation had no option and many of the players from that era have knee problems etc. that plagued them the rest of their lives. You can say they didn't "need it" but they could have benefitted from it. Of course your average out-of-shape male sportsfan will try to tear down these 6'8 260 lb players as "soft" for load management in an attempt to posture as being "highly masculine" for saying so.
Ask yourself why Michael Jordan was able to play all 82 games in 9 of his seasons, and yet with all the better training and research we have these days guys have to "load manage".
Get the hell out of here with that. You have players like Embiid saying they're not playing certain games on the schedule before the season even starts because he thinks he might be tired. With all of the advanced medicine and technology we have, how soft the game has gotten, and these guys are playing less games than ever before. Don't give me that long term health nonsense. This is basketball, not football, not hockey...basketball. If they want $200 million contracts, they can deal with a sprained ankle or sore knee. We have blue collar workers working far more physically demanding jobs for $25/hour year round. These NBA guys are spoiled babies, uncompetitive, and just being flat out lazy.
@@Tigersfan829 Have you seen Jordan walking around these days? He looks like he has knee and joint problems. This is exactly what medical journals like Arthoscopy and "Game Load, Fatigue, and Injury Risk in the National Basketball Association" in Journal of Athletic Training have pointing out. Just because we did it that way before doesn't mean we should do it that way now.
It's a game they make millions to play. Most normal working people will definitely have knee, back, and other problems from a lifetime of labor. They are in fact just like the lion or clown at the circus. We pay to be entertained by them. That's why they make the big money. They're big boys. They can play 82 games a year and be OK. Personally I hope everyone quits watching and the league goes broke. I hope they get the rest of their lives for lead management.
Well MJ is also the GOAT because he's the most charismatic and greatest marketed individual of all time. I still argue that Wilt Chamberlain has a very solid argument as the GOAT, just he was born at the wrong time, playing in the wrong era.
@@KG-kq9tk The point I was making was as amazing as Michael Jordan was he also benefits from a combination of recency bias as well a massive global platform, which he of course had a large part in, as well as his charismatic style of play along with his personality off the court which created this sort of aura around him. The thing with Wilt is, it's not just pure stats, it's how dominant a player he was on the court. But if you actually base it on stats, Wilt essentially holds the NBA record for most NBA records, including when adjusting for pace. The other big thing about Wilt which people don't remember about his dominance is that the NBA had to introduce 3 new rule changes to stop his dominance alone on the court, including: 1. Inbounding rules, to prevent Wilt from dunking from behind the ball thrown over the backboard; 2. Widening the lane; 3. Introducing goaltending. While this did stop him dominating like crazy to some degree, he still managed to put up record breaking and standing numbers. Regarding his postseason performances, iF you actually watched the postseason games of when Wilt played, you'd see the reason why Wilt's numbers regressed was because defenders would double and even triple team him constantly. Yet despite that his shooting percentage was still by far the greatest of any player consistently in each series he played in and for his career he averaged 80 percentage points better than his teams averaged in the playoffs Also regarding competitiveness. I am not arguing that the quality of basketball in Wilt's era necessarily was better than the 80's or 90's, what I am arguing is that Wilt played in an era, where he had to go up against the greatest dynasty in NBA history in the Boston Celtics throughout more than two thirds of his career. He also played on notoriously bad teams, throughout much of his career as well, yet when he had decent teammates, he dominated the game in a fashion never seen since, including the year he won his first championship with Philly in 1967 where he lead his team in scoring average shooting 68% from the field, while his team's average field goal percentage was 48%. It should be noted that Wilt lead his team in assists that year they won the championship as well in the NBA finals against the San Francisco Warriors. In the times his teams did not win playoff series, his teams were never favoured to win them, largely due to his inferior teammates. What people also don't understand is that as athletically freakish as Wilt was, he was an incredibly skilled player, and had probably the most unguardable fadeaway shot in NBA history. Wilt is too often forgotten, because history discounts the fact that he played so long ago, and the fact that he played during the Boston Celtics dynasty. But he is no doubt the most dominant player in NBA history, and would have many more rings if he played in any era but the one he was forced into and would have a high probability of being the GOAT if he had played more recently on a decent team in the 80's or 90's.
@ and Wilt is one of the best Todays players are soft compared to those guys I’d love to see Larry Bird talking smack and seeing todays players cry lol
The 3-point shot back then was used to a crucial moment like you were down by 2 and there’s no time left and make a shot from three. Now, the midrange is become extinct and the acrobatic shot to the basket are less often performed because of the 3-point shot. Now I used to watch highlights instead of full game because the game was awful.
You guys are just figuring this out now in 2024???? I began to lose interest around 2006 and haven't watch a single regular season or post season game since 2009......I was a HUGE NBA fan 1975 to 1999 and held season tickets for almost a decade
Been watching since 79/80 thanks to Magic! I used to love to see how the teams would match up. Who would have to guard Kareem and battle in the middle. Some players were not even tasked with scoring, just go in and bang some bodies around and get rebounds. I miss the traditional positions. Now they all have celebratory hand signals for hitting a "3". I'm thinking, that happens all the time! You can celebrate when there's a Win!!
I remember, a long time ago, I bought tickets to Golden State Warriors’ game to watch them play the Spurs because I wanted to see Tim Duncan. I was disappointed that he was sitting out because of an injury. As a young fan, I was a bit devastated, although I did get to see him sitting on the bench. I can’t imagine how someone would feel today when they go to a game to watch their favorite player just to have him sit out because of rest. The constant traveling, double dribbles and complaining turned me off to the game a long time ago. We can thank LeBron James for a lot of it. The league wanted to cater to their star player because he constantly traveled, so they added another step. I’ve seen players take 5 steps with no calls which is ridiculous.
Before y'all say "WTF does Rick Barry know about the game?" or "Who TF is Rick Barry?" Rick Barry: 1970-78, averaged 75 games/yr (including all 82 twice). 25.6 ppg, 5.4 reb, 5.3 assist, 2.3 steals, 46 FG%, 90% free throws... and NO 3-POINT LINE! NBA champ in 1975, where he carried the Warriors with a 29.5 ppg (2nd on his team was Jamaal Wilkes, ...at 11.5 ppg)
With the 3 Barry would score 40 today. He was a great shooter. People today don't realize some of these guys of the past were great. There was a guy Fred (downtown) Brown. He had insane ranch. today he'd score 30 a game easy. His two man game for the Sonics was unstoppable at times. Dump it into the post. Get doubled the post kicks it out and he'd shoot it. If he made it he backed up. Drawing the defense farther away. Until you couldn't double anymore. The didn't call him Downtown Freddy Brown for nothing. He has Curry ranch easily.
@ Great example. Remember World B Free? Insane shooting guard averaged 25-30 ppg late 70s to early 80s. Fat Lever? Walking triple double in the 80s. He’d be Russ Westbrook today (OKC version), not as explosive as Russ, but better shooter. I’ll even throw in Paul Westphal, avg 20-25 ppg , another great shooter.
At least back in the day David Stern, no matter how much of a gangster he was, forced rule changes to keep the game balanced. Adam Silver came in 2015, and we all know what happened to the NBA since that moment on.
You guys are just figuring this out now in 2024???? I began to lose interest around 2006 and haven't watch a single regular season or post season game since 2009......I was a HUGE NBA fan 1975 to 1999 and held season tickets for almost a decade
...and this is why I haven't watched a FULL game in decades..just flip the channel back and forth to check scores etc...not but playground play...as mentioned in this video!!🎉❤
30 years ago analysts said the 3 point line needed to be moved further out and that the basket needed to be raised. That would reduce 3 pointers and bring back the inside game. Then reduce the number of teams that make the playoffs to 4 per conference so the regular season matters more.
I am old enough to remember the NBA without the three point shot. When the three pointer was added, players still had the mindset of running the plays and working the ball into the paint. The three pointer was used as a tool, not as a crutch. The game was much more exciting back then.
I remember back in the day in the mid 90s when the only guy who is taking a lot of three-point shots was Dennis Scott. He hit 267 three-point shots one year. I think it was 1996 and that was unheard of at the time, but he was the only one to do that. The rest of the league wasn’t obsessed with three point shooting.
That's the same thing for Curry, but the difference is Curry won championships as shooting 3s is the style of basketball they played. Then teams thought they can do the same by just copying what Steph and the Warriors did lol
I watch the Lakers and Hawks play friday and can't believe how this game is played now. Guys just getting easy uncontested dunks and lay ups is just horrible to watch. Too many 3 point attemps too. I can't believe it but I may never watched the NBA ever again. It's to soft to watch.
They need the 3 point line ti just be an arc across the top. Remove it going to the corner. That way it it strays a longer shot and is easier to defend but doesn’t necessarily take it out of the game. And start calling traveling!!!
The league didn't even have the three until the 1979-1980 season. Simple fix. No 3 pointer. No matter how far out guys like Walt "Clyde" Frazier or Earl Monroe shot, it only counted as 2. And that was a much better game than you have today.
Former Blazers Center Greg Oden told Portlanders, on Dec 28th, that he was going to host Big Man Camps. If some of these legends could support him, the NBA's future might be brighter.
70’s 80’ n 90’s best Era of the NBA finesse n intensity all in from Chamber / Russel to Dr Jr / Jabbar to Magic / Bird n Air Jordan Dream Team has born
I stopped watching after the Iverson era. Was a big Sixers fan. Then they started changing the rules basically taking defense out the game, my Sixers sucked for years...watched other teams play and it was a much different product. Lil by lil they changed rules to basically take defense out the game. Now this crap product is what we're left with...most blame Silver and i agree but these changes started happening when Stern was still the commish also.
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I grew up in 90' basketball and im very happy about it. It was the best basketball ever. NBA was just pure magic back then
The 80s was much better. The 90s was mostly marketing.
You are absolutely correct. Now we are 40 and I honestly don’t care about the NBA whatsoever. It started with all that woke BS and crying from these weak*** men if you can call them men. 90’s B-Ball was the 💩 for sure. My favorite was KJ, Barkley, Dan Marly, etc. sucks my Suns didn’t bet the bulls. MJ and the bulls were too much for us. Great time ever!
I was there to watch most of the 80s as well I got to go with the 80s it wasn't quite as physical the guys hit open jumpers the beauty of the game as John Wooden would describe it, and the 90s post Pistons Bad Boy era which was extremely physical and dirty it was more like football, the Bulls decided okay I guess we have to play that way too then came the Knicks and the Heat , teams often scoring in the 80s, sometimes 70s. Etc To me it already started to get too damn physical in the 90s , now it's the opposite of that I'd have to go with the 80s. Not just the Lakers and Celtics, early on the Sixers later on the Mavericks were loaded, the Atlanta Hawks and the Milwaukee Bucks, only 23 teams, so many that were loaded, teams that couldn't reach the NBA finals and they were deep, with some with all starting five and multiple players off the bench who could score score score and it was somewhat physical just not as physical as the 90s
80s…yes. 90s is when the game started to change for the worse. Michael had a terrible effect on the game.
@@TheRicknelsen very true. He just picked up the pieces of a league that had been destroyed by the wars of the 80s. That’s my opinion.
"If you get close to the basket a lot more of your shots will go in". Classic Kareem.
I quit watching the NBA when physical defense was no longer allowed and they just started shooting nothing but 3s and allowed to walk 5+ steps to the basket and the flopping was allowed as well. All about scoring, defense no longer allowed in the NBA. 70s-80s-90s era was the greatest era of the NBA imo.
That's right, we ain't don't with the 70'S, 80'S or 90'S, not for this 💩 era.
Yah man. I remember before the 3 point line. Now it looks like soccer. The ball flies long distance and guys flopping. And I'ma say it ... Stepping back is not a move that is fun to watch!!!
I did the same thing I could not stand watching them carry the ball and travel
It's more apparent in all star games too.
@Leadership_matters The step back is one of the worse 🏀 maneuver ever devised.
Im not old but i remember when there were 3-point specialists. Now everyone is a 3-point specialist, even big men.
Robert Horry 7 footer taking 3's
@@Peter-km7hb
Robert Horry isn't a 7 footer.
yes, now they look all the same and do the same thing over and over with very few exceptions
You got Joel embiid jacking up 3s when he should be in the paint bullying everyone.
OMG YES! You knew who the deadly shooters were and anticipated when they got a clean shot up...nowadays everybody shoot 3's so I never know why i should care if this guy or the next guy shoots it?
So glad I grew up through the 90’s, best NBA basketball decade ever! True grit athletes
My biggest issues are: carrying, moving screens, and travels.
Those fundamentals are what make the game, and are now optional to enforce.
Something that wasn't mentioned in the video but I'm 100% with you on is the moving picks. If you watch any game it's had to find a legal screen
THIS. When I play for fun at the Y or at the park, I see that CONSTANTLY.
I call that shit too. Pisses the younger guys off soooo much.
Couldn’t agree more
Keep up with it, next Olympic Games you won't be as lucky as this year. The rest of the World is still playing OG ball.
@@TeslaSpaceX Rest of the world plays with a different set if rules in which the NBA players have to adapt while creating chemistry with each other 'cause most of them haven't played together and the other bunch reunites every 4 or 8 years... In any case that's a testament if how superior USA players are (for now) in comparison to other countries. The world of basketball in general is evolving so eventually it will reach USA's level, that's inevitable
Once you see guys have a wide open layup and kick it out for a 3, you know something is wrong.
LMAO Draymond Green does that a lot 😂
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Yup
Traveling never being called us my main issue. And they need to let trans play physical and play real defense again.
Exactly bro
“Go to the Damn basket!” - Rick Barry
I go back to the 1960’s when the league was dominated by the bigs like Chamberlain, Russell, Thurmond, and Beatty. There was no 3-point shot so when the great Oscar Robertson, at 6’5”, averaged a triple-double over the first five seasons (384 games) of his career, he had to do it with basketball acumen and his incredible all-around skill set which was as good as anyone in the history of the game.
Those were the days! Now, NBA = Fake basketball.
The "problem" the league identified was that there were never enough talented bigs to go around. At any given time, there were only a handful of them. It was much easier to find shorter guys to shoot 3s as long as the rules were changed to reflect it.
Same with the NFL. There have never been enough really good QBs out there, so the rules were loosened up so that glorified RBs who can throw a little had bigger windows to throw to. They're not nearly as skilled as the average solid starter used to be in the NFL, but Vegas needs stats to sell to the ignorant masses, so ...
I get why Magic is so likeable 😂 He roasts players while still sounding kind 😊
Basketball hasn't evolved.
...It's devolved.
I agree I don’t enjoy the highlights anymore
Agree
In a way it's reflecting society. Hit a peak late 90s' to early 00's. On the decline since. Full of glamour boys
@@farlapjones100% true! If you watch before 2000s games and players there was a completely different ethic at play. So its not just the disastrous rule changes, its about the type of players at play. We can take it to the bank, that if we don't evolve again as a society, we won t ever see a player better than the old guard. Sad but true. Anyone who watches the todays NBA is part of the problem.
I stopped watching the NBA a long time ago. Not interested. They make way too much money & so it's really expensive to go watch a sporting event. Thats not right. It cost way too much just to go watch guys playing Basketball. 🙄
A lot of them act like spoiled babies too. Yeah, no thank you 🙋♂️
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Players giving up wide open layups to kick out for three's, that are missed. Drives me insane!!
It used to drive me crazy when Antoine Walker did it
I hear you on that they even do in college too drives me nuts!!
The overuse of 3s killed the game
LeBron killed the league the 3s were the nail in the coffin. He's just a terrible team player.
@@joshportie I keep telling people this. The narrative of Lebron is he's unselfish and makes his teammates better, which is complete BS. He's the biggest ball hog in the history of the game. Everyone just stands around waiting for that pass from him, or watching him chuck up a brick.
@AsukasButler you just explained a team issue not a bron issue. When bron is posting up or has the ball he's constantly seeverying the floor looking for his team to cut or come of screens but they just stand there. That's not on lebron.
And their privilege led to a narcissistic tendencies
Is anyone really surprised this happened? Look at how MLB has been destroyed, starting with the hold up 4 fingers for walking a batter. Then the fiasco of extra innings which completely changed the game. How does a person get that much power to change the way a baseball game should be played? Oh, perhaps a panel of people discusses then votes on the changes. Either way MLB sill suffer bigtime. It's just a matter of time. The NFL is probably the best of the big 3 sports. They made some rule changes on kickoffs I don't like them but what are the fans to do? I'd suggest stay home and watch it on TV.
I agree with Barry about the extra step. What the league has done by allowing players to travel is penalized good defense. The reason players have to take the extra step is that the defender has forced them to do it to break free to score. Now, if they started calling the travel, players would adjust, but they wouldn't be able to overcome great defense in the same way.
that's right....guys like edwards or " bimbominkia" Lamelo ball would just return to be what they are...average players
Pay these players less. Take away these long term huge contracts, prevent super teams, bring back the big man and post up play, bring back hand checking and solid defence
these spoiled unsufferable dudes should get waaaay less money but in reality then you have that " bimbominkia" Lamelo Ball who was already a " superstar " and a billionaire before even playing his first nba game.....if the league would enforce the rules the right way this guy wouldn't be able to get away with all the bullshit that he does on the court...palming..traveling...
Stop going, watching, buying merch, etc and when they feel it in the pockets they’ll change … it’ll be like 10+ years 😂
Thank you, Rick Barry for calling out the terrible basketball played in last 4 mins of game 7 of the 2016 finals.
This is what happened when you let alone skinny half balded dude run the league. I doubted the commissioner played a game of meaningful basketball in his life. He reminds me more of a LBGxxxx leader.
One of the most over hyped trash finals as well
Rick Barry has been calling like it is for a long time now. Good to hear other former stars speaking out.
Pretty damn smart guy, Rick Barry, and one of the best players ever. He is spot on!
Greatest finals game of all time.
Adam Silver is the reason why the NBA is a joke now.
Also Curry cuz he is clown and he starting that stupid spamming shots of 3 pt s...
Adam Silver got the NBA a 76 billion dollar tv deal. These old washed up 90s players are a joke.
It’s not Steph curry fault .. it’s everyone who thinks they are Steph curry
LeBron with his flopping and crying to the refs is another reason
@@IIKevsthat's a dumb take
Jerry West wants to know what's so damn funny!? I love it
Exactly!!!
My biggest gripe is that they're all friends off the court. There's no rivalries and no physicality.
They all grow up playing together in AAU and hanging out in the summers. They train together 😂. No competitive edges when they come back in the fall. AAU coaches just let them play. No hard practices anymore, and they don’t train to be iron men. That’s why they get hurt all the time
Which is the corniest
It’s called player collusion
Off the court, Larry Bird and Magic Johnson were friends.
Off the court, Magic Johnson and Isaiah Thomas were friends.
Great point!
I miss the 80s and 90s brand of basketball when zone defense was disallowed.
2000s were dope too. Things changed with the super teams. OKC and Golden State
These legends called out every problem with the NBA and I love and agree completely w everything they've said
The refereeing is simply horrible - these guys travel 3, 4, 5 and more steps with no whistle, they double dribble constantly as long as some spectacular dunk follows.
The NBA has become a circus.
I agree I have seen more players travel so much this season alone it’s ridiculous
I saw a highlight the other day where dribble was picked up just past half court ... just shook my head and moved on. Sad in a way.
You guys are just figuring this out now in 2024???? I began to lose interest around 2006 and haven't watch a single regular season or post season game since 2009......I was a HUGE NBA fan 1975 to 1999 and held season tickets for almost a decade
yet when they move to Europe or elsewhere with Fiba rules, they immediately adapt.
Definitely agree with you about the refs, plus the physicality of the game is gone
Well said. Remove the extra step and carry the ball.
Really don't comment of these BUT as an retired collegiate official this video is 'spot on'! My last season on the court our crew was criticized for calling 'too many' traveling calls. In fact we had more violation calls than personal foul calls. There is a 'trickle' down affect...what you see in the NBA you will eventually see on the collegiate level and sooner or later see on the high school level! These needs to be corrected now! The rule book has minimal changes each year and the majority of the changes have to do administrative changes...heaven help the sport I love!
Wimmin trying to kill the sport
I'm about half-way there.
It's not always so much of a trickle down, but once they realized that there were never going to be enough really good bigs, rule changes made it abundantly clear that the lower levels needed to start coaching the long-range shot.
Basically, the edict is made at the top, then it's up to the bottom to bubble up to fill that demand.
Take care.
This is what happens when "showtime" takes over. Damn the rule book, full speed ahead!
@tabletalk33 it's english soccer too
@@tabletalk33 If that's what you think "showtime" was, you may want to reconsider.
Plus, showtime was entertaining. Now it's just HORSE. 🤣
Take care.
The current NBA discourages defensive, team leaders and 2 point shots. It’s disgraceful
I don't think it's the defense so much as the inconsistency in calls. And some of the refs seem to have personal vendetta against players which they may not like.
You guys are just figuring this out now in 2024???? I began to lose interest around 2006 and haven't watch a single regular season or post season game since 2009......I was a HUGE NBA fan 1975 to 1999 and held season tickets for almost a decade
@@timothyclay8369 just say its rigged, cause its true. some games they call everything, some games they even allow handchecking. they gave the refs too much power, just to make it easier to manipulate games
@@nomadkeller8612i am with you on this one.... I remember every Knick player that includes the bench... and coaching staff from 1984 to 2011 I just lost interest in the game due to the lack of defense
@@timothyclay8369 The only way you can defend in today's NBA is by switching, otherwise you're screwed from that stupid 3 point shot. Basically there needs to be a rule enforced that allows anyone taking a 3 to be tackled by the defender, otherwise this nonsense won't stop.
80s basketball was so enjoyable to watch
- no defense
- centers not being centers
- less n less PGs
- travelling
- flopping
- Playstation teams chasers
- Inconsistency of the refs
- Too much interruptions
- emphasis on stats instead of the game itself
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And these fools pay over $10,000 to watch a game. Lol😂 what a joke
Super teams, team hopping, politics, time loading, flopping etc
Majority of that came from the King Lebron
There too much emphasis on assist but less emphasis on blocks and rebounds
Yep the 90 NBA was the best era. In my opinion. Yep no more heart. I used to love watching in the 90's. Rest in peace kobe.
Baseball is going through the same thing with pitchers chasing velocity and hitters just going for home runs
Great analogy!
Whole league the whole atmosphere is a DUMBSTER FIRE
Something wrong with popular entertainment as a whole. From Tv show, movies, documentaries, NBA/NFL (only sports I watch), video games etc... It's all just soulless and mindless money grabs
I definitely they don’t put passion in those things like they use to in the early 2000s
I’ve said the same thing it’s seem like entertainment as a whole is just mediocre. Like you said tv/movies aren’t good anymore, sports aren’t hitting like they used too just seems like the overall pop culture has fell off a cliff.
Do you include clouds or Netflix as such? I'm a heavy fan of BLURAY and DVD for those movies or TV Series that I want to watch over and over with a TV set. It's hard to find and buy movies for my collection theses days even those just over 2 or 3 years old movies. An example of a new technology that I am not fond of.
hey man, start watching NHL, its legit af and extremely competitive.
You nailed it. It's not just the NBA and sports. These guys are all griping while utilizing the technology of social media to keep themselves viable to the masses. Society is devolving, but they are the well-heeled that it shelters with tax breaks. They have no clue.
THANK YOU RICK BARRY for saying it out loud! These performance enhancing refs that cant count to 3 and dont call all the carrying are killing the game! And all the flopping that they fall for needs to stop too!
Rick Barry summed it up. The NBA has chosen to relax the rules for more scoring. There's so much carrying and traveling that players are allowed to get away with nowadays. Geno Auriemma said it best when he said "Today's players are more skilled than they've ever been, but they don't know how to play team basketball".
I used to pay for league pass to watch NBA every year back in the days. Because basketball was so much fun to watch back in the 80s and in the 90s. I used to see big man vs big man underneath the basket, abusing each other throughout the game, flexing their muscles, and throwing each other on the floor. In todays basketball, your center ( big man) is sitting in the corner waiting to shoot a damn 3. So I agree 120%, we all shared the same frustrations about todays NBA. The average 3 points shots in the game are 30. It's like a 3 point shot competition to see which team can shoot more 3s. It's ridiculous.
“The NBA is as frail as Adam Silver is physically”….
NBA = Fake basketball.
Aidds patients Silver
The NBA is 3 point shot after 3 point shot. No bigs battling. No fast breaks. Walk it up pass to someone behind the line and shoot. Boring
Because everyone nakes millions. No bigs wanna get hurt
pick n roll, drive kick, 3, no defence damn near every play.
No offensive rebounds= lack of effort. Dive for loose balls
Yanni, 🥱
In the 80s and 90s there were so many guys to love Mj, Bird, Magic, Ewing, Charles, Reggie I can go on forever. Nowadays it's hard to like a handful of guys.
Because all yall do is shit on players for not having a ring, or having a bad playoff series , or missing a game winner , if all those guys you named played today yall would take a dump on them every chance yall get just like yall do todays players .
@@Fayn757 You seem smart🤣
Very true, and there's a whole lotta players to strongly DISLIKE!!
I miss 90s basketball so much.
@@catamountmplshe’s 100% right
It's good to hear that people who are much better than me in Basketball share my same opinion with the excessive 3pt shot selections
The players dont care about winning only the party afterwards
Guaranteed salaries play a huge part in obvious mediocracy
Would you care if you were paid 40 million to play a game? It's sport, the fans are the only losers.
@@mel0214in football ( what u call soccer ) , the players care and die on the pitch. NBA player are so spoiled, entitled there is no competition and is not attractive . Morant was laughing when he lost the playoff, here player cry when they lose on the playoff . No fight , no scream anything, they work toghrter too in the offseason😂😂
Honestly, I miss the 80's fast break. ENTERTAINMENT!
Rick Berry, one of the most underrated and underappreciated NBA stars. If you didn’t get to see Rick Berry play you missed something.
I stopped watching NBA basketball with all the flopping, no heart, no passion, no desire all about stats and clicks it's a real turn off. Not to mention no defense, effortless, I could go on and on its just a real waste of time to spend a couple hrs watching this nonsense. Very boring too.
Yep, one of the best ever. Played the game with consummate skill. Like Jerry West, he would embarrass people!
The standard “ underrated” comment on every single thread no matter what. Rick Berry is not and never was underrated. And look you only got 11 likes for it.
It's an easy fix allow players to play tough and physical defense allow handcheck. Physical defense create beef and heat among players. Beef create dramas and rivalries, dramas and rivalries create excitement, excitement create fans. Fans create ratings.
Exactly, this is what I got watching the 30 for 30 with Reggie Miller and the Pacers against the Knicks and also 30 for 30 with the Bad Boy Pistons. It reminded me why those 2 decades of basketball were so fun to watch.
I agree about the suggestions but it’s not going to happen. Steph is the most popular NBA player worldwide. Handchecking would hurt his game and many fans would hate that.
@@bb1111116 Steph wont be relevant much longer. He's getting old and the league shouldn't cater to him alone.
The carrying is the other big problem. If a guy can can tap dance and palm to get a shot and they’re so happy to call defensive fouls, the 3 is going to remain relatively easy. Look at how much space these guys have at the 3 point line.
I’ve been saying this for years. It’s been like this for at least 10 years but getting worse.
Love that they're saying this. I been trying to tell my friends this same thing for 2 years
Yep, the NBA has lost its heart, it's grit
Rick Barry is the most realest, the game just flat out suck. Adam Silver, Analytics, Steph, Lebron, James Harden and Klutch Sports are main reason how bad this game is. Flopping, Load Management, 3 pt shooting, Travelling, carrying, no defense, and just offense
You are right. I just can't watch all those 3 point attemps like that. They just shoot them for no reason. No defense. Everyone is scared to foul now because they may get fined. They really messed the game up. Lebron needs to retire. He looks like a grandfather out there with those young players
@@pound4pound380 Why would he retire? He's getting paid millions of dollars. It's his job, man. It's how he affords a life for his family. You need to retire from your job! Stop affording your life.
@jcout25 I agree. If they are willing to pay them for loafing around and shooting 3 pointers all game I guess I'd take the free money too
If you don't like it don't watch big ass cry baby
@@jcout25is his job killing the league? If so he's killing it at killing it.
Rick Barry summed it up pretty good!
I started watching the NBA in the beginning of the 90's and all my friends said the best were the 80's. Jordan dominated those years. But to me, the best to watch was those 30 minutes of NBA Magic tv show where I understood the teams and the guys who were the face of them. Jordan & Pippen for the Bulls, Malone & Stockton for the Jazz, Payton & Kemp for the gone Sonics, Ewing & Oakley for the Knicks, Robertson for the Spurs, Olajuwon for the Rockets, etc. This is really what I missed comparing to today's NBA's teams and game. There was nostalgic. There was charisma. All these players were the game itself. This was the NBA. 92's Dream Team was a luxury! Those were really the best of the best...
Good foot work down low is amazing. Hakeem and patrick were awesome
*I’ve watched 0 minutes of NBA on TV this year. I’ve been to 2 games this season.*
RIP NBA 1942-2024 🏀
For me, zero for the last 20 years.
1942-2005
The NBA died 20 years ago.
@@Zippadeedoodaa-nt8om You got a point haha. Haven't really watched any of it in at least a decade.
@@bigbake132YES, fact! 2008 Celtics were a throwback but mid 2000's will prove to be the beginning of the end of the NBA! Sad really.
In the 80's and 90's I was a DIEHARD NBA fan!!! I can't name 5 NBA players!
"You lose games when you sit out," but those checks still cash.
Its bs
Thank you guys thank you John they would never know how to pass the ball like you did❤❤❤❤❤
I agree...it is basically a 3 point contest.
The NBA today is no longer fixable.
So you mean it’s gonna be like this forever?
If a team has the guts to play the right way, I am convinced they will win a championship! That's when other teams will follow suit. Lebron is still an old school player (outside of taking plays off and walking back on defense). Guys like Durant, Westbrook and Harden have ruined their games by copying Steph Curry. The older players seem to be some of the best mid range scorers. But Luka Doncic is one of the exceptions. He is young, but is good in the mid range.
Yes it is they just need to call travels and eliminate 3 in the key rule
Just crash the Hindenburg at mid-court to the All-Star game and start over
Caitlin clark > nba
I blame the ridiculous amount of money some of these players get paid, like $40 million a year to sit on a bench, because you have hurt feelings...
Right they are getting spoiled
They get paid way waaaaaay too much. Once you make 25 million, who's going to tell you anything? Fines lose all meanings and they are basically at a point where they give no fucks.
And I hate how people defend the salaries "They are worth it!"... Yea... Have you seen a game? Or should I say have you seen the ads with a bit of play time in between? We are suffering ads on ads on fucking ads so they can get these ridiculous salaries. We're paying for it with our time and money.
40 mil and just getting only 60% of it because of the taxes lol
@@man_kind it's not about the money they getting paid, it's about the efforts and how the game is. getting paid that much isn't an issue if they playing hard defense, refs aren't calling soft fouls and techs and bring back hand checks
@@MobPsychoooooo I'd argue even if they played hard the games would be mostly unwatchable with the ads and stoppages. Compare it to the Olympic games. Those games were just electric and felt like constant action. The watch the NBA and the endless free throws and ads and more ads. It's pure shite.
I couldn't tell you one player on my favorite NBA team now.
I think contracts need to change.. not sure how but less money up front. More money for performance like Abby other job
"Put er in the basket Chief".😂
What happened to the sweat? The work effort? The Passion? Teamwork? Running actual designed plays? Only a very few players and teams now have those.
The real problem is the average fan is dumb as a bag of rocks, and the more mainstream something becomes, like basketball, the more it will appeal to the lowest common denominator. The average fan today won't appreciate the style of play in the 80s and 90s where you had nuance. It was physical. You had a balance of the 3 point shot, mid range, post play, big players, small players, etc.. You had a mix of amazing athletes and tacticians with complex strategies to get past the defense. But, the NBA doesn't want final scores of 82-90 anymore like it was in the late 90s-early 00s. They want 120-130 final scores, which is exacerbated by the fact that most players are lazy in the regular season and play no defense. Also, if you live by the 3 pointer, you also die by the 3 pointer. It's great when you're hitting them, but you will lose if you aren't, and badly. That was seen just last playoffs between the Nuggets and Timberwolves. They took turns blowing each other out by 25-30 points every game for 7 games. It was ridiculous. You don't need to shoot 30-40 three pointers per game as a team, especially if you aren't making them.
Obviously you're talking about yourself
Mj made the game simple to average the most ppg till this day.
2 layups and a 3 in each quarter is 28 points, these guys shoot all of these 3s when you can make 28 points a game by 2 layups and a 3 pointer each quarter. Mjs the goat💯
Like you said, he made the game easier and less complicated just by the way you explained it. That is why he had such a high PER and still almost averaged 40 just of jump shots, lay ups, dunks alone
MJ was a great player because he understood that he couldn't win alone. At some early point in his career he came to realize that if he wanted to go out a champion, that he would have to learn to play team ball, and that is exactly what he did. He had some good players around him and he used them effectively to win 6 championships. There were more that just MJ and Pippen on those teams, but they are the 2 that get the most accolades.
@@timothyclay8369 I'd agree, but he won a championship in college lol, I think he understood team ball, maybe he just had a bad team when drafted🤷🏽♂️
Your math is wrong a three in each quarter and two layups is sixteen points
@@jeremiahlaso1786 2+2+3=7. 7 pts x 4 quarters is 28 points.
I believe the biggest thing is the passion and love for the game is gone and these new players only look at getting that next big contract and all that winning rings and setting a legacy doesn’t matter anymore. It’s sad to see.
When you see Kobe or Ray Allen play you think this sport is impossible but when you see JT or JB play you think oh I can play😂
The modern perimeter player has two major advantages with spacing: because the defender can't hand check, you don't have to use your own body to shield the ball anymore. You can now square up while dribbling and, as such, are closer to a shooting (and passing) position all the time. Secondly, your ability to carry, double-dribble, and travel allows you to quickly distance yourself from the defender (sometimes comically). Players simply get cleaner looks nowadays. It's not just that they are better shooters. If they were, the top ten free throw shooters of all time would be active players. They legislated a different game, and most people don't like the product anymore.
Yeah. The “product” is trash 🚮, now.
Youd have to pay me to go to a game
Exactly. The 3 is a better shot these days because of all the thing you mentioned. Players and coaches are adapting to a broken ruleset, and that leads to all the problems except maybe the lack of rivalry. That being said, if it becomes a more physical game again, it will get personal and you’d probably have more rivalry as well, less laughing on bench etc.
@ yeah, this formula Sux.
The main reason why I stopped coaching is because the opposition coach teaches his players how to travel and carry the ball. The refs don't call it, we get beat and, of course, I look like a fool.
It's all about the show now. Not about the game.
Great video, btw.
You shouldn't stop coaching, you just need a new sport.
I don't recognize the sport I once loved in the past
You ain’t lying, hockey is just as bad
Same with MLB & NFL.
Complaining about load management is just another example of how selfish we've become as people and fans. Load management comes from doctors within sports medicine as a strategy to safeguard athlete health When you buy a ticket, you're not paying to see athlete X but the team. They are not circus animals to put your enjoyment above their own long-term health. Magic and that generation had no option and many of the players from that era have knee problems etc. that plagued them the rest of their lives. You can say they didn't "need it" but they could have benefitted from it. Of course your average out-of-shape male sportsfan will try to tear down these 6'8 260 lb players as "soft" for load management in an attempt to posture as being "highly masculine" for saying so.
Ask yourself why Michael Jordan was able to play all 82 games in 9 of his seasons, and yet with all the better training and research we have these days guys have to "load manage".
Get the hell out of here with that. You have players like Embiid saying they're not playing certain games on the schedule before the season even starts because he thinks he might be tired. With all of the advanced medicine and technology we have, how soft the game has gotten, and these guys are playing less games than ever before. Don't give me that long term health nonsense. This is basketball, not football, not hockey...basketball. If they want $200 million contracts, they can deal with a sprained ankle or sore knee. We have blue collar workers working far more physically demanding jobs for $25/hour year round. These NBA guys are spoiled babies, uncompetitive, and just being flat out lazy.
@@Tigersfan829 Have you seen Jordan walking around these days? He looks like he has knee and joint problems. This is exactly what medical journals like Arthoscopy and "Game Load, Fatigue, and Injury Risk in the National Basketball Association" in Journal of Athletic Training have pointing out. Just because we did it that way before doesn't mean we should do it that way now.
Please shut up
It's a game they make millions to play. Most normal working people will definitely have knee, back, and other problems from a lifetime of labor.
They are in fact just like the lion or clown at the circus. We pay to be entertained by them. That's why they make the big money. They're big boys. They can play 82 games a year and be OK.
Personally I hope everyone quits watching and the league goes broke. I hope they get the rest of their lives for lead management.
The traveling one is what pisses me off the most, because playing basketball without others, everyone thinks it's okay to travel now.
And that’s why MJ will be the GOAT.
Much more physical game when he played
Well MJ is also the GOAT because he's the most charismatic and greatest marketed individual of all time.
I still argue that Wilt Chamberlain has a very solid argument as the GOAT, just he was born at the wrong time, playing in the wrong era.
@@KG-kq9tk The point I was making was as amazing as Michael Jordan was he also benefits from a combination of recency bias as well a massive global platform, which he of course had a large part in, as well as his charismatic style of play along with his personality off the court which created this sort of aura around him.
The thing with Wilt is, it's not just pure stats, it's how dominant a player he was on the court. But if you actually base it on stats, Wilt essentially holds the NBA record for most NBA records, including when adjusting for pace.
The other big thing about Wilt which people don't remember about his dominance is that the NBA had to introduce 3 new rule changes to stop his dominance alone on the court, including:
1. Inbounding rules, to prevent Wilt from dunking from behind the ball thrown over the backboard;
2. Widening the lane;
3. Introducing goaltending.
While this did stop him dominating like crazy to some degree, he still managed to put up record breaking and standing numbers.
Regarding his postseason performances, iF you actually watched the postseason games of when Wilt played, you'd see the reason why Wilt's numbers regressed was because defenders would double and even triple team him constantly. Yet despite that his shooting percentage was still by far the greatest of any player consistently in each series he played in and for his career he averaged 80 percentage points better than his teams averaged in the playoffs
Also regarding competitiveness. I am not arguing that the quality of basketball in Wilt's era necessarily was better than the 80's or 90's, what I am arguing is that Wilt played in an era, where he had to go up against the greatest dynasty in NBA history in the Boston Celtics throughout more than two thirds of his career.
He also played on notoriously bad teams, throughout much of his career as well, yet when he had decent teammates, he dominated the game in a fashion never seen since, including the year he won his first championship with Philly in 1967 where he lead his team in scoring average shooting 68% from the field, while his team's average field goal percentage was 48%. It should be noted that Wilt lead his team in assists that year they won the championship as well in the NBA finals against the San Francisco Warriors.
In the times his teams did not win playoff series, his teams were never favoured to win them, largely due to his inferior teammates.
What people also don't understand is that as athletically freakish as Wilt was, he was an incredibly skilled player, and had probably the most unguardable fadeaway shot in NBA history.
Wilt is too often forgotten, because history discounts the fact that he played so long ago, and the fact that he played during the Boston Celtics dynasty. But he is no doubt the most dominant player in NBA history, and would have many more rings if he played in any era but the one he was forced into and would have a high probability of being the GOAT if he had played more recently on a decent team in the 80's or 90's.
Wilt Chamberlain played for the LA Lakers and won a NBA Championship 1972
@ and Wilt is one of the best
Todays players are soft compared to those guys
I’d love to see Larry Bird talking smack and seeing todays players cry lol
This is why I still watch older games from the 90s and early 2000s
I watch NBA games 60's, 70's and 80's
The 3-point shot back then was used to a crucial moment like you were down by 2 and there’s no time left and make a shot from three. Now, the midrange is become extinct and the acrobatic shot to the basket are less often performed because of the 3-point shot. Now I used to watch highlights instead of full game because the game was awful.
You guys are just figuring this out now in 2024???? I began to lose interest around 2006 and haven't watch a single regular season or post season game since 2009......I was a HUGE NBA fan 1975 to 1999 and held season tickets for almost a decade
The highlights are boring 😂
32 yr old pistons fan i loved reasheed wallaces post game as a kid it was a thing of beauty. I love real basketball and this aint it
Been watching since 79/80 thanks to Magic! I used to love to see how the teams would match up. Who would have to guard Kareem and battle in the middle. Some players were not even tasked with scoring, just go in and bang some bodies around and get rebounds. I miss the traditional positions. Now they all have celebratory hand signals for hitting a "3". I'm thinking, that happens all the time! You can celebrate when there's a Win!!
Just enforce the rules properly. Pete Maravich was able to be creative within the rules and not carrying or traveling every play.
To be honest the refs started getting more loose on those carry calls since Isiah Thomas started making it somewhat fashionable in the 80's.
I remember, a long time ago, I bought tickets to Golden State Warriors’ game to watch them play the Spurs because I wanted to see Tim Duncan. I was disappointed that he was sitting out because of an injury. As a young fan, I was a bit devastated, although I did get to see him sitting on the bench. I can’t imagine how someone would feel today when they go to a game to watch their favorite player just to have him sit out because of rest. The constant traveling, double dribbles and complaining turned me off to the game a long time ago. We can thank LeBron James for a lot of it. The league wanted to cater to their star player because he constantly traveled, so they added another step. I’ve seen players take 5 steps with no calls which is ridiculous.
NBA = Fake basketball.
2:35 THAT, is the biggest problem.
i wish teams would have their own style of game
Before y'all say "WTF does Rick Barry know about the game?" or "Who TF is Rick Barry?"
Rick Barry: 1970-78, averaged 75 games/yr (including all 82 twice). 25.6 ppg, 5.4 reb, 5.3 assist, 2.3 steals, 46 FG%, 90% free throws... and NO 3-POINT LINE! NBA champ in 1975, where he carried the Warriors with a 29.5 ppg (2nd on his team was Jamaal Wilkes, ...at 11.5 ppg)
I saw Rick play. He was a great scorer with unlimited range.
Thas only for knuckle heads who ain't old enough and don't know b ball
Loved his underhand free throws
With the 3 Barry would score 40 today. He was a great shooter. People today don't realize some of these guys of the past were great. There was a guy Fred (downtown) Brown. He had insane ranch. today he'd score 30 a game easy. His two man game for the Sonics was unstoppable at times. Dump it into the post. Get doubled the post kicks it out and he'd shoot it. If he made it he backed up. Drawing the defense farther away. Until you couldn't double anymore. The didn't call him Downtown Freddy Brown for nothing. He has Curry ranch easily.
@ Great example. Remember World B Free? Insane shooting guard averaged 25-30 ppg late 70s to early 80s. Fat Lever? Walking triple double in the 80s. He’d be Russ Westbrook today (OKC version), not as explosive as Russ, but better shooter. I’ll even throw in Paul Westphal, avg 20-25 ppg , another great shooter.
I loved the NBA in the 90s.. I haven't watched the NBA in over a decade, shoot maybe two now.. make DEFENSE GREAT AGAIN
The 90s was the ceiling. Its regressed since then.
It was fine til around 2010.
Implement a 5 second violation instead of 3 seconds and a 3 second offensive violation outside the 3 point line
Excellent idea 💡 👏🏿
At least back in the day David Stern, no matter how much of a gangster he was, forced rule changes to keep the game balanced. Adam Silver came in 2015, and we all know what happened to the NBA since that moment on.
@@fred_g7802 if you believe in this idea, spread the word
80’s and 90’s were the best years of the NBA.
The ‘80’s & 90’s was the golden age of basketball. Basketball hasn’t been the same since. Todays game is Garbage. 🗑️
It’s not curry’s fault, it’s the people who try to be like curry.
Adam silver
Lebrons superteams and refs messed up the nba in the last 15-20 years
You guys are just figuring this out now in 2024???? I began to lose interest around 2006 and haven't watch a single regular season or post season game since 2009......I was a HUGE NBA fan 1975 to 1999 and held season tickets for almost a decade
@ 2006 was still ok. after 2010 the nba went to crap
And curry
@@nomadkeller8612 2006 was still fine. At least the nba was more dynamic then compared to what it is now.
Perfectly said big mike....
Steph curry single-handedly destroyed basketball. It’s ALL his fault.
Too simplistic - the league had already seriously declined before SC came on the scene.
...and this is why I haven't watched a FULL game in decades..just flip the channel back and forth to check scores etc...not but playground play...as mentioned in this video!!🎉❤
30 years ago analysts said the 3 point line needed to be moved further out and that the basket needed to be raised. That would reduce 3 pointers and bring back the inside game. Then reduce the number of teams that make the playoffs to 4 per conference so the regular season matters more.
I am old enough to remember the NBA without the three point shot. When the three pointer was added, players still had the mindset of running the plays and working the ball into the paint. The three pointer was used as a tool, not as a crutch. The game was much more exciting back then.
I remember back in the day in the mid 90s when the only guy who is taking a lot of three-point shots was Dennis Scott. He hit 267 three-point shots one year. I think it was 1996 and that was unheard of at the time, but he was the only one to do that. The rest of the league wasn’t obsessed with three point shooting.
That's the same thing for Curry, but the difference is Curry won championships as shooting 3s is the style of basketball they played. Then teams thought they can do the same by just copying what Steph and the Warriors did lol
I watch the Lakers and Hawks play friday and can't believe how this game is played now. Guys just getting easy uncontested dunks and lay ups is just horrible to watch. Too many 3 point attemps too. I can't believe it but I may never watched the NBA ever again. It's to soft to watch.
I don’t blame u either I don’t even watch live games anymore
you have to watch European basketball
They need the 3 point line ti just be an arc across the top. Remove it going to the corner.
That way it it strays a longer shot and is easier to defend but doesn’t necessarily take it out of the game.
And start calling traveling!!!
Yeah eliminate the corner three with a wider arc that’s a couple of feet further out too.
When the great ray Allen says there is to many 3’s then there is a 3 issue 😂😂
The league didn't even have the three until the 1979-1980 season. Simple fix. No 3 pointer. No matter how far out guys like Walt "Clyde" Frazier or Earl Monroe shot, it only counted as 2. And that was a much better game than you have today.
Time to take away the 3 again??? 🤔
Move the line back to 25' and bring back handchecking and man to man.
Teams get 30 3s attempts per game.
Yesterday game Celtics vs Grizzles Boston had 105 shot attempts and 60 of them were three pointer. That is insane.
Yep NBA champs 2k24!!!!! It worked for them.
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the NBA has become celebrity Hollywood.. not the grit that I've seen in the past.
Former Blazers Center Greg Oden told Portlanders, on Dec 28th, that he was going to host Big Man Camps. If some of these legends could support him, the NBA's future might be brighter.
70’s 80’ n 90’s best Era of the NBA finesse n intensity all in from Chamber / Russel to Dr Jr / Jabbar to Magic / Bird n Air Jordan Dream Team has born
And the 10's
they better do something...there's already an official basketball game where all they scored were 3 pointers
I stopped watching after the Iverson era. Was a big Sixers fan. Then they started changing the rules basically taking defense out the game, my Sixers sucked for years...watched other teams play and it was a much different product. Lil by lil they changed rules to basically take defense out the game. Now this crap product is what we're left with...most blame Silver and i agree but these changes started happening when Stern was still the commish also.