In this the first of my target management videos for DCS A10, I demonstrate the use of markpoints, the most efficient means of target management in the heat of battle.
When you designate the target as a mark point, "lase" the target before marking it. The laser will eliminate any trig errors and the maverick should slew onto the target "spot on". It used to be lased in the real jet, I believe it works in the sim also. These are good videos, with techniques that make the A10 a potent machine, thanks.:-)
I think the reason of your markpoint mistake is laser mode of TGP,when you set it to IR,it will create a markpoint on the top of him or wherever your tgp is looking at. This mistake is common because you are flying on low heights,and your Angle of attack. Great vid,really helped me! Cheers!
Excellent video. Very well done. This totally cleared up using mark points for me. Most people leave out the need to reslave each new mav once the previous one is off the rail. Thank you!
Thanks very much man I love your videos for DCS A10. I can't get enough of them because they are made so clearly and precisely! Very much appreciated for the professionalism. Really helps when learning a new aircraft and her systems! Salute!
All of your many, many videos are absolutely awesome, Your videos have been terrifically helpful to me. You have a great voice and have mastered the fine art of taking topics which are detailed and confusing and breaking them down into concise logical steps, which make sense, are interesting, and are easy to follow. Your videos have spared me hours of frustration and made this game much more enjoyable for me. Thank You very, very much.
That big offset from mark point to target you have in the end of video - because you do it without laser ranging. See youtube video from user "ExcessiveHeadspace" named "DCS A-10C Ground Attack With The Targeting Pod" to make it clear to understand. And huge thanks to you for such an excellent tutorial. Please, keep them going! Cheers!
Nice tutorial! Regarding the offset, yes the laser is probably one remedy. Another one which I normally use is to aim the TGP at the base of the target, rather than straight at it, when setting SPI. It also works great for JD*M (profanity filter on) targeting. I suspect that in real world, the laser would do better, but in a sim like this the computer totally knows where any given spot on the ground is located... :)
A most excellent tutorial gerry. I'm just coming to grips with the DCS A-10 myself and will use this and others from you to supplement my training. Thanks for the work put into this stuff.
Note that you can change between the point systems (Flightplan, Mark points, Mission) on your UFC (up front control) too. Therefore click "FNC" and then the numbers, for example "8" for Mark points. A lot quicker especially if you have already mapped the keyboard actions since you then don't need to look behind at the CDU. Also the CDU repeater for the MFD is very helpful when entering coordinates.
Yes, "ExcessiveHeadspace's" videos are amazing. Pity he's gone away, Even at the early beta stage, he had such a detailed grasp of the complexity of the sim. His landing tutorial is the best i've seen. BTW, ive updated the annotation re the use of laser during marking.
Very good tutorial, and very much appreciated.....I shall now go forth and try to replicate the procedure, and hopefully with practice, get somewhere nearer to taking out multiple targets in a single run in. Thanks again (Comrade Vodka)
The offset was because when the mark point was created it was created on the ground not on the vehicle than you came at it from a different angle. In order to create it on the vehicle you need to turn on your laser before you make the markpoint. You seem to have the tip pop up about turning on the laser but that is what essentially happens. Good video.
With HUD as SOI and Mark point A selected and set as SPI, china hat forward long slaves MAV to SPI, then china hat forward short sets MAV as SOI. TMS forward short to lock and then fire. Collie hat up short, set HUD as SOI, DMS up to cycle to next waypoint, then repeat from china hat forward long to slave MAV to SPI. That's the way I currently do it and its a bit too much. Setting the lever on the thrust master warthog as modifier and TMS up/down to cycle steerpoint sounds like a good idea :-)
No. But what i do is move the cursor a long away from the action or flight plan, and make make a set of marks here, this removes them from their current location. (you have to go through the 26 clicks,or more if u need to restart at A), its no biggie timewise. Then you can start again marking where you want to.
Is there an easy way to clear/delete mark points? During long missions I tend to use a lot between designating targets and accidentally hitting tms right.
Rock the steerpoint rocker switch on left of UFC panel, Steerpoint 'dial' below the EGI is in mark mode. (its not part of the official hotas controls, but i have it mapped to my hotas).
The offset in markpoint C stems from the fact that the TGP takes it's line of sight vector and intersects it with the 3D terrain model in it's database when you create a markpoint without lasing (laser provides range in addition to vector which is a single point in space). So the higher the target is above the ground relative to the 3D model of the terrain in the nav DB, the higher the offset will be. You'll aim too far. tl;dr: Always lase when designating targets for quick successive killing.
GBZanafar No, but when you have created a full set, it starts over and early ones get overwritten (can remember how many might be the alphabet.). What i do to create a 'clean slate' is go to a part of the map far away and make the mark points there, until it cycles back to 'A' again, then i pan back to where i wish to put the new markers. I hope that makes sense.
I know this is a bit cheaty, but I own the TM warthog Hotas, and using the pinky lever as a modifier i have made it so DMS is my slew instead of that stupid stick thing on the throttle, and TMS up and down with the pinky lever is steer point up and down. Not realistic I know but I loathe having to constantly move my hand to my mouse to select a new steer point.
+Shini I usually just switch my HUD as SOI, then hit DMS up to change my steerpoint, then just swith SOI back to my TGP/MAV. Doesnt take too much time and allows me to HOTAS all day ;)
And I think this is the way its supposed to be right? In addition, DMS UP when HUD is SOI cycles the same way as the video mentioned the rocker switch on the UFC panel?
A born teacher. Outstanding stuff.
When you designate the target as a mark point, "lase" the target before marking it. The laser will eliminate any trig errors and the maverick should slew onto the target "spot on". It used to be lased in the real jet, I believe it works in the sim also. These are good videos, with techniques that make the A10 a potent machine, thanks.:-)
I think the reason of your markpoint mistake is laser mode of TGP,when you set it to IR,it will create a markpoint on the top of him or wherever your tgp is looking at.
This mistake is common because you are flying on low heights,and your Angle of attack.
Great vid,really helped me!
Cheers!
Excellent video. Very well done. This totally cleared up using mark points for me. Most people leave out the need to reslave each new mav once the previous one is off the rail. Thank you!
Thanks very much man I love your videos for DCS A10. I can't get enough of them because they are made so clearly and precisely!
Very much appreciated for the professionalism.
Really helps when learning a new aircraft and her systems!
Salute!
All of your many, many videos are absolutely awesome, Your videos have been terrifically helpful to me. You have a great voice and have mastered the fine art of taking topics which are detailed and confusing and breaking them down into concise logical steps, which make sense, are interesting, and are easy to follow. Your videos have spared me hours of frustration and made this game much more enjoyable for me. Thank You very, very much.
That big offset from mark point to target you have in the end of video - because you do it without laser ranging. See youtube video from user "ExcessiveHeadspace" named "DCS A-10C Ground Attack With The Targeting Pod" to make it clear to understand. And huge thanks to you for such an excellent tutorial. Please, keep them going! Cheers!
As usual...Thanks so much. I always look forward to your contributions on youtube.
Concise, interesting and helpful.
Cheers, Moosh
Nice tutorial!
Regarding the offset, yes the laser is probably one remedy. Another one which I normally use is to aim the TGP at the base of the target, rather than straight at it, when setting SPI. It also works great for JD*M (profanity filter on) targeting. I suspect that in real world, the laser would do better, but in a sim like this the computer totally knows where any given spot on the ground is located... :)
A most excellent tutorial gerry. I'm just coming to grips with the DCS A-10 myself and will use this and others from you to supplement my training. Thanks for the work put into this stuff.
wow sir! this is so comprehensible. kudos to you indeed!
Thanks Gerry, Great Videos. Saves hours and hours of frustration with the manual.
You have an excellent voice for tutorials (and you know what you're talking about). +1
Very well explained sir.
Good job.
Note that you can change between the point systems (Flightplan, Mark points, Mission) on your UFC (up front control) too. Therefore click "FNC" and then the numbers, for example "8" for Mark points. A lot quicker especially if you have already mapped the keyboard actions since you then don't need to look behind at the CDU. Also the CDU repeater for the MFD is very helpful when entering coordinates.
As always, love you videos, gerry. I've seen this before, but its always good to review!
Yes, "ExcessiveHeadspace's" videos are amazing. Pity he's gone away, Even at the early beta stage, he had such a detailed grasp of the complexity of the sim. His landing tutorial is the best i've seen.
BTW, ive updated the annotation re the use of laser during marking.
Very good tutorial, and very much appreciated.....I shall now go forth and try to replicate the procedure, and hopefully with practice, get somewhere nearer to taking out multiple targets in a single run in. Thanks again (Comrade Vodka)
I can't tell you how much your videos have helped. Thanks.
Outstanding Sir - just what I needed, ATB Dave
The offset was because when the mark point was created it was created on the ground not on the vehicle than you came at it from a different angle. In order to create it on the vehicle you need to turn on your laser before you make the markpoint. You seem to have the tip pop up about turning on the laser but that is what essentially happens.
Good video.
Best video by a long shot describing the TGP in DCSA10 is by excessiveheadspace. Unfortunately i hadn't found it when i made mine.
With HUD as SOI and Mark point A selected and set as SPI, china hat forward long slaves MAV to SPI, then china hat forward short sets MAV as SOI. TMS forward short to lock and then fire. Collie hat up short, set HUD as SOI, DMS up to cycle to next waypoint, then repeat from china hat forward long to slave MAV to SPI. That's the way I currently do it and its a bit too much. Setting the lever on the thrust master warthog as modifier and TMS up/down to cycle steerpoint sounds like a good idea :-)
Gerry, Looks harder than the real thing..... Good work
No. But what i do is move the cursor a long away from the action or flight plan, and make make a set of marks here, this removes them from their current location. (you have to go through the 26 clicks,or more if u need to restart at A), its no biggie timewise. Then you can start again marking where you want to.
Is there an easy way to clear/delete mark points? During long missions I tend to use a lot between designating targets and accidentally hitting tms right.
@vidzfromhell
Cheers. Yes Excessiveheadspace litening pod video is indeed the definitive one on the subject.
Good video. Question: How do I go from one mark point to the next for bomb drop?
Rock the steerpoint rocker switch on left of UFC panel, Steerpoint 'dial' below the EGI is in mark mode. (its not part of the official hotas controls, but i have it mapped to my hotas).
Gerry Abbott Thanks. I have tried that but they keep hitting the same spot after I create the MP's with the TGP.
you also gotta hold TMS aft to make your current mark point the SPI.
Gerry Abbott Isnt DMS Up/Down (short) the same as the UFC steerpoint rocker switch if your HUD is SOI?
Zak Ovich Correct.
Thanks Gerry for your nice videos I like watching it..
The offset in markpoint C stems from the fact that the TGP takes it's line of sight vector and intersects it with the 3D terrain model in it's database when you create a markpoint without lasing (laser provides range in addition to vector which is a single point in space). So the higher the target is above the ground relative to the 3D model of the terrain in the nav DB, the higher the offset will be. You'll aim too far.
tl;dr: Always lase when designating targets for quick successive killing.
Is there a way to remove unneeded marks from list?
GBZanafar No, but when you have created a full set, it starts over and early ones get overwritten (can remember how many might be the alphabet.). What i do to create a 'clean slate' is go to a part of the map far away and make the mark points there, until it cycles back to 'A' again, then i pan back to where i wish to put the new markers. I hope that makes sense.
Gerry what program are you using to talk to JTAC?
VAC, you will get it at DWVAC dot com. check out my channel, there a video about how to set it up.
Thanks dude you saved me alot of hassle... :)
im irish and im skint, dont suppose you have an early version of track IR you wanna flog? :D
Good video Fish. Thanks
Very good video! Thank you Sir!
I absolutely love you for your videos.
what joystick/system do you use?
thanks in advance :)
I know this is a bit cheaty, but I own the TM warthog Hotas, and using the pinky lever as a modifier i have made it so DMS is my slew instead of that stupid stick thing on the throttle, and TMS up and down with the pinky lever is steer point up and down.
Not realistic I know but I loathe having to constantly move my hand to my mouse to select a new steer point.
+Shini I usually just switch my HUD as SOI, then hit DMS up to change my steerpoint, then just swith SOI back to my TGP/MAV. Doesnt take too much time and allows me to HOTAS all day ;)
And I think this is the way its supposed to be right?
In addition, DMS UP when HUD is SOI cycles the same way as the video mentioned the rocker switch on the UFC panel?
rangers or celtic?
how to delete them ??
U don't. U overwrite them.
You have a hover A-10!!! :)
Excessiveheadspace
@Davie88888
Yup. CHINA RIGHT = CHINA FWD.