The fact that both sides are still arguing Bardock vs Omniman and even Green Lantern vs Ben 10 proves just how subjective VS debating really is. I feel so many people miss that idea completely and forget these things, no matter who makes them, are intended to have fun.
I argue Bardock wins and does have similar scaling in Oozaru (small star) and should be stronger in SSJ (Star or higher, especially with Gas scaling) and that DB did Omni-Man’s scaling fine. Episode was amazing otherwise. Joker vs Giorno was everything I wanted out of the episode including the EoH anti-feat which was awesome. Also fun fact about EoH, it buffs Giorno via scaling to Johnny who pierced Love Train which is stated to transcend dimensions making Johnny and Giorno 4D (Funny Valentine states they are the only hopes at taking down HA DIO).
@ They definitely downplayed Bardock but they also Left out some key scaling for Omni man as well. For me Omni man is large star to solar system and Bardock is large star with both base and ozaru. Super sayain is also solar system, Omni man still wins tho cuz not only is Omni man deeper into solar system he’s faster to
@@Image_empiresolar system is crazy but given ur username and pfp ig I shouldn’t be surprised. I disagree with Omni man winning and they lowballed bardocks scaling but that’s just me.
@@asian_6724 They basically gave Omni-Man the win on a single massive outlier statement that even most of the Invincible fanbase don’t consider valid due to how vague and non-sequential it is with the rest of the statements and feats in the series.
Right. I see it as probability. If you strolled up to the character, what would they have? Like Ash vs Yugi, no one would think it was just Ash vs Yugi. It’d be his Pokémon and his cards. Technically they are not them, but it’s what they’d realistically have. Red vs Tai was weird though I can understand them limiting as much like the TMNT vs Power Ranger episode, it was strictly the two. Outside help are things like Piccolo, The Writers, Shenron. One time, infrequent or very specific instances. The only time that research felt wrong even from what was said was Hulk vs Broly where they were using World Breaker when he had moved beyond that. Like using Super Saiyan even though they brought up like SSG. Per their own analysis.
Bardock VS Omni-Man- was a great episode and animation but Bardock should've won this despite being an Invincible fan as Death Battle Glazed Omni-Man too much and low balled Bardock's Feats Joker VS Giorno - it was a great episode and the outcome was correct though people still argue that Giorno could win this Bowser VS Eggman- Dont know yet but as long as Bowser wins I'll be fine with Bardock VS Omni-Man Mystery MU- Hope it's something good
You go on a giant rant about this community specifically going after Gioker fans, who for the most part have been cool. When Omni-Man Vs Bardok was right there? Why do they get the heat? Becuse they didn't like a noncannon story to be used? Whether you agree or not, that is relatively nothing compared to what stupid arguments came from Omnidock.
These guys scale bardock just as bad as death battle. They reason these 4 gave for agreeing with the outcome you can tell they don’t watch dragon ball that much. Because ssj bardock can beat base form frieza (final form is debatable). And you have to be an invincible fanboy if you think Nolan beats base form frieza.
@@anthonymorenosorto2743, if you read one on the black boxes, they DID scale SSJ Bardock to First Form Frieza. Still wasn't enough. I also find it really funny when people say that Bardock was downplayed when they literally put him where other people put him. Hell, they WANKED Bardock by giving him SSJ.
@ can Nolan destroy a planet with like 10% of his power. Short answer no he can’t, But ssj Bardock can, heck Nolan isn’t even half as strong as base form frieza.
@@Gamer_Lizard_68, OK. Tell me. Did you do your calc for the feat with pixel panel calculations? As well as know that the Sun in question being blocked is twice as big as our own sun? If not, then your calc is wrong because you didn't do it right.
I am personally surprised that everyone here agrees with the outcome of Omniman vs Bardock. I feel like no one in this video has watched the many debunked videos for this episode. The major problem isn't whether or not they should have given Omniman the solar disk feat, its mainly that Death Battle didn't include some scaling for Bardock like they should have. Like while they basically put Omniman at small to large star level, in dragonball Bardock is on a much higher level than people who can casually destroy moons and planets. And his Zen Kai boost is to Bardock what they basically said the smart atoms are to Omniman. So that argument was pointless. Not to mention just how Massive the planets are in Dragonball. Even first form Freiza was able to casually destroy Planet Vegeta which had not one but two stars orbiting it and the planet looking many times bigger than both stars. Super sayain Bardock scales to this. And not even that. There's been many scalers who has made valid arguments for Bardock being above Omniman's sole disk feat in his base form. I have seen A LOT of videos where they trace back and do scaling about this episode and not one of them agreed on the outcome. It's no longer about Deafh Battle scaling Omniman to The Solar disk or destroying Viltrum nor is it about whether or not they should have included the super sayain form because even at that, results always come back to Bardock being the winner. To put it short I can see it being debatable when it comes to who has the combat, skill, and Battle IQ advantage (because experience alone doesn't mean everything) but it's safe to say that Bardock should take strength, speed, durability, versatility, and overall power while Omniman takes stamina, endurance, and Experience. It's one thing if everyone who's saying that Bardock should win because their a part of some angry Dragonball fanbase but in this case it's safe to say that Death Battle was actually wrong. And this is the first time I ever been 100% sure that they are.
You know I kinda knew Death Battle was wrong but I'm not a scaling expert so I just expected what they have to show is their reasoning even if it's kinda wonky, but it's their research, and people do research differently than other people. I personally love Omni-man vs Bardock even if I'm a Dragon Ball fan a little bit more than an Invincible fan but I'm not going to be angry at a episode because of a verdict.
The fact that both sides are still arguing Bardock vs Omniman and even Green Lantern vs Ben 10 proves just how subjective VS debating really is.
I feel so many people miss that idea completely and forget these things, no matter who makes them, are intended to have fun.
I named Ren "Joker Joestar" in my P5 playthrough, so it was awesome to finally see a Persona VS JoJo episode.
....Jojo....ok that's smart
DIO ruining his sons death battle is peak DIO
I argue Bardock wins and does have similar scaling in Oozaru (small star) and should be stronger in SSJ (Star or higher, especially with Gas scaling) and that DB did Omni-Man’s scaling fine. Episode was amazing otherwise.
Joker vs Giorno was everything I wanted out of the episode including the EoH anti-feat which was awesome. Also fun fact about EoH, it buffs Giorno via scaling to Johnny who pierced Love Train which is stated to transcend dimensions making Johnny and Giorno 4D (Funny Valentine states they are the only hopes at taking down HA DIO).
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Thanks for having me on man, this was a blast 👊
And, he’s doing reviews now. Lit.
Omni Man vs Bardock and Joker vs Giorno are the greatest Death Battles of the independent era, they’re both in my top 10 favorite Death Battles.
They're the ONLY Death Battles in the independent era lol, so far at least
@@sackinator3k47i think that’s the joke
Omni man vs Bardock is PEAK
The actual fight animated by DevilArtimis, yes I agree. That fight was peak. The research, scaling, and analysis were pretty wonky though.
@ They definitely downplayed Bardock but they also
Left out some key scaling for Omni man as well. For me Omni man is large star to solar system and Bardock is large star with both base and ozaru. Super sayain is also solar system, Omni man still wins tho cuz not only is Omni man deeper into solar system he’s faster to
@@Image_empiresolar system is crazy but given ur username and pfp ig I shouldn’t be surprised. I disagree with Omni man winning and they lowballed bardocks scaling but that’s just me.
@@asian_6724 They basically gave Omni-Man the win on a single massive outlier statement that even most of the Invincible fanbase don’t consider valid due to how vague and non-sequential it is with the rest of the statements and feats in the series.
@@blueturret5596 There was way better scaling they could have gone with. Tech jacket being large star was right there but they went with the sun disc
I like this series and look forward to the next one 😊
King vegeta blow up three planets & those planets were not weakened
& frieza blew up planet vegeta & it had two suns
Here is a toxic debate Alien X vs Gold Experience Requiem, just an idea
Right. I see it as probability. If you strolled up to the character, what would they have? Like Ash vs Yugi, no one would think it was just Ash vs Yugi. It’d be his Pokémon and his cards.
Technically they are not them, but it’s what they’d realistically have. Red vs Tai was weird though I can understand them limiting as much like the TMNT vs Power Ranger episode, it was strictly the two.
Outside help are things like Piccolo, The Writers, Shenron. One time, infrequent or very specific instances.
The only time that research felt wrong even from what was said was Hulk vs Broly where they were using World Breaker when he had moved beyond that. Like using Super Saiyan even though they brought up like SSG. Per their own analysis.
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Bardock VS Omni-Man- was a great episode and animation but Bardock should've won this despite being an Invincible fan as Death Battle Glazed Omni-Man too much and low balled Bardock's Feats
Joker VS Giorno - it was a great episode and the outcome was correct though people still argue that Giorno could win this
Bowser VS Eggman- Dont know yet but as long as Bowser wins I'll be fine with Bardock VS Omni-Man
Mystery MU- Hope it's something good
You perfectly described bardok vs omby man for me
Hey Rapptor, what version of Dangerous Gaze or Hollow Dreams is on 18:00 ?
12:04 I only didn’t notice because I was to hyped on the Fact that death battle came back
You go on a giant rant about this community specifically going after Gioker fans, who for the most part have been cool. When Omni-Man Vs Bardok was right there? Why do they get the heat? Becuse they didn't like a noncannon story to be used? Whether you agree or not, that is relatively nothing compared to what stupid arguments came from Omnidock.
Both of the matchup was good but bardock should have won that battle instead of Omni man cause of bad scaling
These guys scale bardock just as bad as death battle. They reason these 4 gave for agreeing with the outcome you can tell they don’t watch dragon ball that much. Because ssj bardock can beat base form frieza (final form is debatable). And you have to be an invincible fanboy if you think Nolan beats base form frieza.
@@anthonymorenosorto2743, if you read one on the black boxes, they DID scale SSJ Bardock to First Form Frieza. Still wasn't enough.
I also find it really funny when people say that Bardock was downplayed when they literally put him where other people put him. Hell, they WANKED Bardock by giving him SSJ.
@ can Nolan destroy a planet with like 10% of his power. Short answer no he can’t, But ssj Bardock can, heck Nolan isn’t even half as strong as base form frieza.
@@tristanwaits5688The sun disk feat was blown way out of proportion and the king vegeta waving his hand feat can get to similar levels.
@@Gamer_Lizard_68, OK. Tell me. Did you do your calc for the feat with pixel panel calculations? As well as know that the Sun in question being blocked is twice as big as our own sun?
If not, then your calc is wrong because you didn't do it right.
Na giorno win
I am personally surprised that everyone here agrees with the outcome of Omniman vs Bardock. I feel like no one in this video has watched the many debunked videos for this episode. The major problem isn't whether or not they should have given Omniman the solar disk feat, its mainly that Death Battle didn't include some scaling for Bardock like they should have. Like while they basically put Omniman at small to large star level, in dragonball Bardock is on a much higher level than people who can casually destroy moons and planets. And his Zen Kai boost is to Bardock what they basically said the smart atoms are to Omniman. So that argument was pointless. Not to mention just how Massive the planets are in Dragonball. Even first form Freiza was able to casually destroy Planet Vegeta which had not one but two stars orbiting it and the planet looking many times bigger than both stars. Super sayain Bardock scales to this. And not even that. There's been many scalers who has made valid arguments for Bardock being above Omniman's sole disk feat in his base form. I have seen A LOT of videos where they trace back and do scaling about this episode and not one of them agreed on the outcome. It's no longer about Deafh Battle scaling Omniman to The Solar disk or destroying Viltrum nor is it about whether or not they should have included the super sayain form because even at that, results always come back to Bardock being the winner. To put it short I can see it being debatable when it comes to who has the combat, skill, and Battle IQ advantage (because experience alone doesn't mean everything) but it's safe to say that Bardock should take strength, speed, durability, versatility, and overall power while Omniman takes stamina, endurance, and Experience. It's one thing if everyone who's saying that Bardock should win because their a part of some angry Dragonball fanbase but in this case it's safe to say that Death Battle was actually wrong. And this is the first time I ever been 100% sure that they are.
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@sackinator3k47 Up to you dude. If I can say all that in just a couple small sentences then I could.
@thermonwilliams1579 Man that was rude of me I'm sorry, just know it was all for goofs
@@sackinator3k47 You're good.
You know I kinda knew Death Battle was wrong but I'm not a scaling expert so I just expected what they have to show is their reasoning even if it's kinda wonky, but it's their research, and people do research differently than other people. I personally love Omni-man vs Bardock even if I'm a Dragon Ball fan a little bit more than an Invincible fan but I'm not going to be angry at a episode because of a verdict.