Me: I'm going with Giorno since I doubt that Joker has a counter for GER. Death Battle: Joker has a counter for GER. Me: Understandable, have a great day.
@circularnectarine1439but like, technically he can, which is absolutely hilarious 😂 I mean, in the context of all SMT games, Joker could just use his friends’ personas but that’d be fucked up 😅
I seriously appreciate how chill Rappter is with his commentary in between the segments. With how heated so much of the Death Battle community can be at times (not saying it's everyone), it's just good to see a calm and collected opinion for a change 😂
OK... this... was... AMAZING!!!! AHHHHHH!!!!!! I didn't have much ground in this debate as I wasn't really familiar with either series, so after a blind first (and second) watch, I enjoyed it so much! The research made sense to me, the editing and the writing were great, and the animation was HYPE! It was absolutely amazing with every second being soooo enjoyable and every line quotable. This was so great and I can't wait to rewatch it again and again! (Oh, and not to forget, animated Wiz and Boomstick are back! I've missed them) I absolutely do not regret donating to the Kickstarter and having my name be on that episode. It it such an honor!
Bit of a nitpick, but to say Persona has an "author" is a bit of a misnomer, since it is primarily a video game franchise, although it does have anime and manga spinoffs. But that's just me being pedantic.
And like, Hirohiko Araki has been featured in the Louvre. Even if JJBA isn't winning two out of four DBs, so it has already been validated by high art critics who seemed to have an anti-manga/anime brain preinstalled. Also, hot take but you can be into powerscaling and media literature communities. Even the academically-studied JRR Tolkien answered nuanced “who would win” scenarios like Gandalf could overcome Sauron while wielding the One Ring, but would still succumb to its evil corruption, and what Tolkien described Gandalf to become is what I would compare to “Magical Injustice Superman”.
Although I loved this fight and I knew the outcome, I was so disappointed with how it was done at points. There was literally no fan flare for GER, Giorno’s trump card. A 10x better introduction of GER would’ve been something like, Base Joker “Kills” Giorno and it cuts to the result screen, Boom Stick and Wiz talk about how short that fight was and then they start saying why Giorno lost but then they start repeating and then GER makes it’s fan flare appearance and return the video BACK to the Fight to continue it off.
It didn't bother me, especially because they already have some flashy moments (like the "This is requiem") and doing too many would be over the top, but that suggestion is a really cool one
Death Battle makes no sense, honestly. They used a non canon source (the Eyes of Heaven game) to undermine GER, when in that same game, Jotaro can manipulate reality on a universal to multiversal scale but still lost to Kenshiro. Make no mistake, I still think Joker is more powerful, but they handled Giorno pretty bad.
@@vn9574 I mean, even if they didn't, there's still no evidence to suggest GER can bypass Sinful Shell. While Satanael has shown to be immuned to reality warping abilities, showing how Satanael is unaffected by Yaldabaoth Ray Of Control. I do agreed that Eyes Of Heaven shouldn't be brought up.
@@jamesnall6462 actually, it either insta-kills or it does nothing. You're probably thinking of how it appears in Strikers, where it actually does do damage. Source: I just finished a NG+ run (for the superbosses) and Alice was one of my main personas for all the story dungeons.
@@bracken8782 Not always. Sometimes "Die For Me" either insta-kills or does nothing, and sometimes it either insta-kills or does Curse damage instead. For instance, it works that way in SMT 5. If Die For Me doesn't insta-kill in SMT 5, then it does a lot of Curse damage instead. IIRC it works that way in P5 & P5R too. Just not 100% sure since I haven't played P5R in a while.
Awesome reaction. And this was a awesome battle. And the battle theme Requiem for a Thief was a banger track that sounded like it would be in the P5/P5R/P5: Strikers/PQ2/P5: Dancing Soundtrack.
I have no idea what they were thinking. THIS should have been the premier instead of Omni-Man vs Bardock. An overall good episode, even with a controversial result. This one however was amazing. I know this one was planned to be the premier before RT shut down, but this one blows Omni-Man vs Bardock out of the water. So glad they did not use a stupid No Limit Fallacy on GER.
I’m betting that Bardock vs Omniman was shown in teasers over Giorno vs Joker because looked more appealing to the average viewer with it being a 3D fight. Though I highly agree that I enjoyed Joker vs Giorno a lot more.
I think it was originally supposed to be the premier. There's a post credit scene in Galactus vs Unicron that shows three tarot cards: The Fool, Death, and The World. The Fool representing Joker, Death representing Death Battle, and The World being the stand of Giorno's daddy.
@@justincarbaugh596 And that instantly makes it boring? No. Top notch animation, cool memorable scenes, good rundowns that did justice to both characters, etc. Not everything has to be close. Several of my favorite match up ideas are stomps, such as Bloom vs Will Vandom, is one sided in favor of Will. But it has great animation potential with a lot of things both characters can do, that can make for an amazing animation
Omni-Man vs Bardock was good Joker vs Giorno was pretty good Hopefully Bowser vs Eggman will be great and that both Bowser and Eggman are done so much better than them fighting Ganon and Dr Wily
I've said this before, and i will continue to believe this: anyone who uses their most powerful skills/attacks/transformations first will he the one to lose 85-90% of the time in these death battles. The moment Giorno used Requeum, i knew it was him who was losing
In all fairness I was really nervous going into this fight for the exact same reason but for the other character. I think this episode did justice to both characters though
Frankly, I've never really seen anyone get heated over thos MU, so I feel kinda alienated when someone brings up the Wars that will be kicked off by it.
I remember seeing a short about Yu (persona 4 protag) vs Jotaro and all that was needed was a time stop and Yu was dead Glad they cleared up how busted wild cards can be
Yeah, that death battle was just dbx so no research done, only base level knowledge, if they actually did the fight Yu would win since he could just use a persona that nullifies or reflects physical attacks or use the omnipotent orb.
We all know Bowser VS Eggman has been requested since the show began. If Bowser VS Ganon and Eggman VS Wily didn’t happen, the MU would have happened much sooner. Can’t wait
I like how when Joker is recovering his strength by hearing the wishes of his friends, you can hear Akechi say, " If you die here, I will kill you again myself!"
Y'all have no idea how happy this one episode made me! First we got my boy Joker on the show, then the fight itself was absolutely incredible, then my boy Ren pulls out the win with all his style and flash, and finally my most wanted matchup is the next episode! Oh my God, I'm so happy! I can't wait for Bowser VS Eggman; it's gonna be so worth the wait! Three weeks can't pass by fast enough!
The only question I had going into this battle was "Can almighty attacks pierce Giorno?" Almost all of Giorno's other hax were obviously hard countered by Joker's set. I couldn't think of any way Giorno could actually kill Joker, but I couldn't think of any way for Joker to actually kill Giorno outside of just blasting him with almighty.
Yeah, either the fight ended with Joker using Sinful Shell to outright destroy GER or Myriad Truth to banish GER and leave Giorno with no stand. Don’t really see any other way.
I feel bad for SpongeBob profile guy. I know he commented to many people trying to argue why GER beats Joker. I’m a fan of both series, so I didn’t care who won lol
Even though I'm a big JOJO fan know practically nothing about Persona I will admit seeing Joker's friends cheer him on and encouraging him to not give up was heartwarming
Honestly loved this fight . And episode good analysis the jokes in giornos analysis had me floored the fight was great and the conclusion was amazing. Feels like a response to last episodes terrible conclusion. I like omnidock but some parts of the fight and conclusion damper my enjoyment alot. This one though not a problem very good stuff
If we're talking Bowser's and Eggman's top followers, I think experience at least goes to Bowser's - if only because more of them have gone through several battles (especially Bowser Jr., the Koopalings, and King Boo) than most of Eggman's have (Metal Sonic and...maybe the Deadly Six?).
Gawd if Joker Stabbed SATANAEL with that Arrow i think he could Solo the anime (?) the fact that how Broken he is with SATANAEL but then again that's my speculation. Anyway about the battle itself it's actually pretty good fight and the analysis they might got it right(?) but it the end I'm happy that we can finally see the actual outcome from the battle.
@gaminganimators7000 Well its explained in part 6 that giorno was in Orlando Florida looking for pucci because just like his brothers he was drawn to him by fate.
GER does transcend fate though. That is literally what it does in the show by going against the outcome that was shown by Epitaph. It's just that Joker has resistance to even reality manipulation, so fate manipulation and mid tier reality manipulation couldn't really beat him.
DIO's such a bastard that he ruined his son's Death Battle, poor Giorno... but I'm glad Joker won personally, even though the result is obviously controversial (because GER). It was a fun battle overall and better than Omni-Man VS Bardock for me. (P.S. I named Ren "Joker Joestar" in my P5 playthrough, so I've always wanted a JoJo/Persona episode).
HUGE missed opportunity to have a fake-out analysis only for it to revert to the fight at the "winner is..." Even works even if Gio loses to demonstrate the bullshit of GER & represented in the episode effectively for the audience.
I wonder what they’ll give eggman. Metal Sonic will probably be the linchpin. If they let him use metal overlord, or super neo ( in the IDW comics, which are very much cannon.)I don’t see bowser winning.
Eggman can even potentially get the Time Eater and Mother Wisp. Allowing him to break time and space respectively. I don’t know if Bowser has anything for Time Manipulation. I also wonder if Eggman will get the Phantom Ruby?
I wouldn’t say that since while we haven’t seen a Mario character in DB since I guess Wario, it’s another repeat character, though DK hasn’t had anybody since S2 Also yeah this fight is gonna be very controversial to many people but I’m cool with it, I was genuinely surprised by the outcome
Honestly the comments aren't that bad at all especially compared to Omni-Man v Bardock. I think most people find that the power of friendship won was funny, lol. If someone does complain is that they possibly took an account of a weakness to GER from a video game, which isn't canon, but that is basically it.
Thank goodness 😅 Death 💀 Battle didn’t screw this up 🆙 Hulk Vs Broly and Doomsday, Iron Fist 👊 Vs Po, The Phoenix 🐦🔥 Vs Raven 🐦⬛, Android 🤖 18 Vs Captain 👩✈️ Marvel, Madara Vs Aizen, Ben 10 Vs Green Lantern 🏮 . Joker 🃏 🏆. He’s just too O.P.!!!
@@flaremawile726 nevermind, that was mark Zuckerberg's metaverse, an idea where internet and reality merged. I thought you were talking about the second coming and jojo, mara.
Bringing in game feats for Giorno was so funny to me… I thought that was gonna give him an advantage but it actually was probably the reason he lost😂 They really brought in a non canon example for Giorno against the most broken character of all time. I’m fine with the result. Giorno’s Gold Experience Requiem had 1 anime episode and his power and limits are up to YOUR interpretation. Regardless if Jojo lost in Death Battle, that doesn’t mean it’s strictly correct. Especially in this case where we don’t see Giorno’s limits
@@troyami Its not tho, return to zero returns all actions and attacks to zero which is why diavolo couldn't win even after seeing giornos loss in the near future. Almighty attacks bypass abilities that bends the laws of the universe or reshape reality
@@Dale2Real. Like diovalo, he reshapes reality to his favour and Giorno still reverses it, in the data book it says it can reverse anything no matter how strong it is so yeah 🤷🏿
@@gokusama4445everything in the jojo world, yes. You can’t just say it applies to every other fictional verse without proof. GER could potentially be limitless, but we don’t know for sure. We have to work with what we have…and we don’t have a lot for GER except him beating KC. Don’t get me wrong, KC is a strong stand, but GER was made to counter him specifically.
I'm not disagreeing with the result, but i just don't understand why they include EOH feats which is non-canon, they didn't include EOH feats on Dio vs Alucard since its non-canon in the first place
Honestly, GER has nothing besides beating KC…the rest is up to interpretation. We don’t know what GER limits are since he didn’t beat anyone stronger than KC
For 2 reason: 1) Because whitout EoH you only have 1 appereance of GER that doesn't even explain in detail his power (The main reason why a lot of people just go for a No Limits Falacy whit GER like "Why doesn't GER just reverse everything until the fight didn't even happen?" Maybe he just can't do that, crazy right?). 2) Araki supervised the creation of EoH, so despite being no canon to the main story it can be canon to the confirmed Jojo multiverse (as per Part 7, there's infinite alternate universes in Jojo, the universe where parts 7 to 9 happen being a diferent one from parts 1 to 6), plus being a What-If doesn't aoutomatically discard it from being taken into consideration UNLESS it contradicts main material (GER has almost none of that).
I agree Joker should win, but I don't think they should use Eye of heaven, since it's non-canon, if they are going to use that, Jotaro should have won against Kenshiro
I'm confused because Jokers abilities ignore the laws of the universe but GER isn't following laws of the universe either. It's not like he's just negating requiem because requiem isn't bound by the laws that Joker negates either. I'm not arguing against the fight, I just don't really understand this one
I aint really like giorns voice actor but i knew he would loose. Hes my boy an all but the problem with jojos is that every season only last a short time for they're main characters. Thus not giving them significant time to develop as a whole.
All JoJo characters are developed really well within a short time, so I don't know what you are talking about. If you mean power wise, then I do agree.
As both a persona and jojo fan who wanted GER to win, good with it. My only thing that got me saying wtf is the eyes of heaven metion like that not canon. Also RTZ resets i joker will to zero even with his social like charging back up?
No no, it reverts all actions and even WILL down to Zero, in order for Gio to revert the gauge down to zero he would have to revert ALL of Joker’s actions from the beginning of the game to that point (which not only was Gio never shown to be able to use Requiem to that level, but Joker can straight up resist reality manipulation on an even greater scale)
Persona MCs are stupidly overpowered Joker and Yu Narukami would absolutely destroy almost every character It's better to use side characters like Mitsuru and Adachi (😏) with a single Persona
As usual, can’t take death battle seriously when they used a non-canon source of a game as a loophole Wincon against GER in favor of Joker, not to mention giving him outside help with social links. Most definitely not the realistic outcome which would’ve ended when GER was activated. It’s unofficial like all death bottles. Best believe they’re only meant for entertainment purposes.
@@BleenyBoy That’s not what I was referring to, learn how to read. What was used against GER from a game called eyes of heaven of when it lost is non-canon.
I’m neutral on this DB. Mainly justifying the win, by using non-canon material and not scaling to all stands in JoJoveller (which they showed), which included Made in Heaven having Infinite for Speed and GER is still said to be above all Stands in that guidebook (EoH and Jorge are non canon, unlike the AU stuff used in other series, like DBHeroes, Xenoverse, or Archie comics.) Also, one of the games has GER able to return defense to 0 and RtZ is passive, not just a move like they said. If EoH is allowed, then it would’ve been funny if they included Jorge Joestar (it features crazier stuff, with things similar to Stands called Beyonds, which are Metafictional.) They also got TWoH’s ability wrong, which isn’t reality bending and more of a creation god power (like true Arceus from Pokemon Arceus) as it’s explicitly stated that GER’s ability wasn’t nullified/reality bending. However, I don’t think anyone’s ready for Jorge Joestar because there’s this meme about Kars, where there’s 36 Kars on Mars (the same character from JoJo Part 2, but he survived and got stronger.) Also, funnily enough, Dio got a Beyond, so even with Schrödinger, Alucard would lose and now Jotaro wins against Kenshiro, because TWoH lost to SP (it got the same power and became SPoH.) There’s some neat GW extended material called Purple Haze Feedback and it’s a story about Fugo after the events of GW. Interested in the next time and I’m just glad we’re getting a more grounded DB (with how much this DB depends on what you give each and what is perceived as, I think it would’ve made more sense as a tie.)
> using non-canon material A non canon material that was still following the established rules of the canon, as Araki was involved and supervised the creation of the story. So if the author said that GER could be defeated by a more powerful stand that could overwrite reality, it WILL happen if he ever fought an opponent with same stats and hax in the canon. > RtZ is a passive Its not. GER needs to activate it. It only appears to be passive because GER acts independently and Giorno is not aware of the actions his stand does. >TWOH ability isnt reality bending It is reality bending. He overwrites reality through physical contact, with post soul consumption not needing to touch the target at all. > GER's ability wasnt nullified It did get nullified. As did Tusk's infinite spin via Nullifying their effects with Reality Overwrite.
Don’t agree with the results or reasoning, and it pissed me off that they brought up Maruki at all since it contradicts there argument, but I like Joker just as much as Giorno so I’ll just leave it at disagreement and leave it at that.
@@Maaarrrrk If that’s your best response, then I’ll take it you don’t know either. But I do know. One of my favorite games is Persona 5 Royal. And I don’t agree. Please don’t make accusations of me just not knowing when I very much do
just to let it be known, joker cannot summon satanael on his own. its relegated to ngplus only. Not to mention jokers s. links dont revive him from death in a 1v1 fight at all. Requiem shoulda beat out almighty considering maruki can literally nullify any spells, including almighty WHICH THEY SHOWED OFF IN THE VIDEO. these guys are really blowing it this season so far imo. GER def carried giorno alone, they just didnt want to give it to him just because of that probably. This is coming from a huge smt fan and this is just not it.
Well in the fight joker didn’t die he was just badly injured then he got healed (if you’re on about when he was bleeding from the head against the wall that is) plus almighty attacks bypass giornos hax/abilities and realistically joker has dodged light speed attacks too and Maruki isn’t canon since it is just a dlc extension
@@hunterjohnson7796 Uhh let’s be honest. Joker doesn’t need to summon Sataenel at all. He can just use Izanagi-No-Okami-No-Picaro and use Myriad Truths, leaving Giorno with no more stand, since it ended up being banished. Joker is going easy on Giorno in this fight.
First of all read the black boxes, second yes he literally can summon satanael again, he can summon him in royal in the 3rd semester and yes if Makoto yuki in p3r had satanael with sinful shell and the joker fight in p3r legit had satanael and joker legit had satanael in both tactica which happens after royal and royal. Marukis reality bending is legit stronger than giornos and maruki could NOT stop almighty spells. And if you actually read the black boxes almighty attackss bypass all hax and defenses in Smt. Plus jokers will cannot be reset it has been shown many times including in tactica when salmanael tried to reduce every humans will to nothing so they became mindless but he couldn’t do that to joker and joker legit willled himself back to reality after being erased by yaldaboth and the entire cognition of the masses. Plus reflect null and drain physical and again giorno CANNOT kill joker anymore. No matter how you look at it joker has way more arguement for winning. Y’all jojo fans glaze GER so much when it has legit only appeared once and never even been explained properly. And again joker has resisted fate and casuality and is immune to reality manipulation
@@alimuhammad7370 whats crazy is i have more time in megaten then you do i garuntee it. if you actually played persona 5 royal youd know that No, satanael is not summanable in 3rd semester if its not ngplus. maruki CAN null almighty along with all other spells during his first/second phase. and if joker was immune to reality warping he would have not been affected by maruki at all, when he did indeed still get his wish granted. It doesnt matter though since maruki DOES BLOCK ALMIGHTY its literally the whole gimmick of the first phase when he forbids certain actions. Why didnt joker just use megidoloan during it? because he fucking cant lol. And people really forgetting that defense doesnt matter against infinity, has resist phys? no he doesnt giorno said no. Bro couldnt break out of a deathloop I garuntee it since bro can still be taken out by a regular bullet.
@@hunterjohnson7796 bro, ng plus how the hell does that change anything logically and genuinely he STILL has it and he can legit use it in tactica and p3r when he’s a boss in that game, saying he shouldn’t have it is pure bias. And what you clearly don’t understand is that marukis reality warping is way stronger than giornos, giorno power and warping dosnr scale no were near marukis not even yaldaboths. Giornos reality warping is way weaker and joker can legit resist it. And joker was immune to marukis reality manipulation even in the bad endings of the game joker after accepting marukis reality was aware of the new reality both him and akechi were still aware. And I the deadline ending joker legit lost his will of rebellion and access to the velvet room for refusing to make a choice that’s why he got affected and put to sleep. Resist repel, drain physical is a literal passive ability and it’s not a physical action that joker is taking, it’s a passive ability (like GER) that activates any time it detects a physical attacks, GER only revert actions taken against giorno and actions specifically with the intent of harming giorno. Also in tactica, jokers will legit could not be reset by salmanael, salmanael whole plan was to make humans mindless with no will of their own so they don’t do anything anymore and salmanael couldn’t affect joker with this. Plus against yaldaboth joker legit got erased from reality and the cognition of every man and yet he willed himself back to reality. Plus do you not understand how GER works, GER is fate, casuality and reality manipulation, joker was immune to marukis reality. Has has literally defied fate and casuality, p5 is legit a rigged game made my yaldabaoth bestowed upon joker, and when yaldaboth sent joker to be executed joker legit rebelled and broke free from his cell. Plus lavenza states herself that the trickster is one who defies fate and has the power to change the world. I’m not gonna bother arguing anymore if it’s the same shit being thrown out go read the g1 blog on who wins. I find it funny that one ability that showed up for ONE episode and doesn’t even get explained properly and the fans are like yeah it’s unbeatable nothing can beat it. People need to understand that GER isn’t invincible and many characters could bypass it easily. And besides joker who is debatable every other persona protag would destroy giorno. (Dunno about naoya haven’t played p1)
Technically since Giorno is within his own Palace we haven’t seen his death yet, his physical body would die of vomiting up black stuff a couple days later So by Might Guy vs All Might rules, this is a tie
You don’t have to kill an opponent to win a death battle as absurd as that sounds you just have to remove their ability to continue the fight. Bill was ruled as having won his fights even though he couldn’t “kill” Discord, since Discord would inevitably respawn given enough time.
Joker's whole existence is a Deus ex machina as well. He quite literally is exempt from the laws of reality and manipulation. he was erased from all of reality at one point and just came back like nothing happened. So really there is no bias cause Gio doesn't have anything that would put joker down.
yeah....never finished the game but ya know persona and shin megami are busted as hell probably GER is like some boss a protagonist has delt with like joker fighting someone who can do that to and win bro
This whole entire death battle was just full of BS they really need to do better. I’m not saying it was not a 50-50 but in reality they just lowball Requiem And for those of you mad about my comment, that battle isn’t always right you don’t trust death battle scaling at all because they’ve been debunked plenty of times and you know some people beg to differ of this and will debunk it😭🙏 so do not send any backlash to me
This whole entire death battle was just full of BS they really need to do better. I’m not saying it was not a 50-50 but in reality they just lowball Requiem And for those of you mad about my comment, that battle isn’t always right you don’t trust death battle scaling at all because they’ve been debunked plenty of times and you know some people beg to differ of this and will debunk it😭🙏 so do not send any backlash to me edited. Ty for rage bait comments
They scaled it to Made In Heaven, a stand from a non canon game that's more powerful than anything Gold Experience faced in canon and only mentioned like half the stuff Joker had that could get past Requiem, if anything they were being generous to Giorno.
For those of you see my comment and wonder why they use the non-canon game I think if they use this strictly from the anime he would’ve won because in the anime and in the manga instead of using a non-canon game, nothing has gotten through his requiem battle is full of BS. I quit watching it. Every version of Goku lost Superman.
Cap bro 😭 they give us a BS DB again this is so sad bro like this is one sided ahh 1v1 like why do this just to make us mad like we know the crazy part is they use game logic when it’s not canon to the story 🙏😭 And for those of you mad about my comment, that battle isn’t always right you don’t trust death battle scaling at all because they’ve been debunked plenty of times and you know some people beg to differ of this and will debunk it😭🙏 so do not send any backlash to me
They also scaled Giorno to Made in Heaven from another game that's even less canon (Eyes of Heaven was at least supervised made by Araki), so I'd say it balances out.
@@childofchaos1645It is reasonable why he's mad, they brought up an anti feat that's not canon and made Giorno lose because of it. It's fine that Joker won but a non canon feat tho? That's kinda stupid
@@Ragnarok072 wether you think that argument is valid or not is entirely up to you, but there are two main reasons as to why they used EOH 1. While it's not canon, it was written by Araki, meaning it has the creators authenticity on it, and isn't contradicted by part 5 or any other statements he's made about GER 2. GER only has one canon appearance, so they used EOH to get more information on what it can and can't do Again, wether you agree or disagree is entirely subjective, no issues with that, I'm just explaining why they would use Eyes Of Heaven in the first place
I honestly expected Giorno to win but I think the battle was still awesome. The only thing I don’t agree with is that Joker can destroy universes or move faster than light.
Bless skills and almighty skills are literal light beams and maruki and jaldabaoth could affect the literal universe with their powers, and fusing real world and metaverse together is technically an universal feat, and joker beat both of them
I knew Giorno was cooked when he busted out Gold Experience Requiem before Joker brought out Satanael.
Against a generic ass elemental attack.
Sitting through 1min of a 3min like : when does he die now 🫥
When they went two 2-D with Joker getting punched and him hitting the wall all bloody, it did almost get me. But then I realized what you did.
@@dogzilla0578same.
@@ZonaiHero-ul5nm Usually when they go 2D in a sprite fight, that's when they setup for the gorey kill, like with Ace, Geese, and a few others.
@@altxogershavelayers5166
It wasn’t the elemental attack itself. It’s the fact that GE can’t create life in below-zero environments.
Giorno: This, sciocci fantasma, is justice. This is Requiem!
Joker: Maybe you didn't hear me before: "Checkmate!"
"Sciocci" huh? The letter "o" really is close to the letter "i" on the keyboard.
It's "sciocchi" actually
Can't wait to see the calm and civil discourse after this one
There was calm and civil discuss, ppl keep saying about the back lash this would get way more then actual back lash
I haven't seen a comments yet were both fandom fought
Me: I'm going with Giorno since I doubt that Joker has a counter for GER.
Death Battle: Joker has a counter for GER.
Me: Understandable, have a great day.
@circularnectarine1439but like, technically he can, which is absolutely hilarious 😂
I mean, in the context of all SMT games, Joker could just use his friends’ personas but that’d be fucked up 😅
I seriously appreciate how chill Rappter is with his commentary in between the segments. With how heated so much of the Death Battle community can be at times (not saying it's everyone), it's just good to see a calm and collected opinion for a change 😂
OK... this... was... AMAZING!!!! AHHHHHH!!!!!! I didn't have much ground in this debate as I wasn't really familiar with either series, so after a blind first (and second) watch, I enjoyed it so much! The research made sense to me, the editing and the writing were great, and the animation was HYPE! It was absolutely amazing with every second being soooo enjoyable and every line quotable. This was so great and I can't wait to rewatch it again and again! (Oh, and not to forget, animated Wiz and Boomstick are back! I've missed them)
I absolutely do not regret donating to the Kickstarter and having my name be on that episode. It it such an honor!
Don't be angry,The author of Persona and Jojo are actually friends,don't let anger dominate you just because of this fight😊
Thats great
Bit of a nitpick, but to say Persona has an "author" is a bit of a misnomer, since it is primarily a video game franchise, although it does have anime and manga spinoffs. But that's just me being pedantic.
And like, Hirohiko Araki has been featured in the Louvre. Even if JJBA isn't winning two out of four DBs, so it has already been validated by high art critics who seemed to have an anti-manga/anime brain preinstalled.
Also, hot take but you can be into powerscaling and media literature communities. Even the academically-studied JRR Tolkien answered nuanced “who would win” scenarios like Gandalf could overcome Sauron while wielding the One Ring, but would still succumb to its evil corruption, and what Tolkien described Gandalf to become is what I would compare to “Magical Injustice Superman”.
@@jamesnall6462I was gonna say. There’s no specific persona author 💀💀💀
@@jamesnall6462Each game has a different writer too
19:09 Rappter was shouting for Joker to pull through like he was one of his Social Links.
This was absolutely delicious, I love it, definitely in my Top 20
Although I loved this fight and I knew the outcome, I was so disappointed with how it was done at points.
There was literally no fan flare for GER, Giorno’s trump card.
A 10x better introduction of GER would’ve been something like, Base Joker “Kills” Giorno and it cuts to the result screen, Boom Stick and Wiz talk about how short that fight was and then they start saying why Giorno lost but then they start repeating and then GER makes it’s fan flare appearance and return the video BACK to the Fight to continue it off.
yeah fair that wouulda looked pretty cool
The intro could've been more flashy, but they would never cut to results and then continue the fight. That would ruin the pace immensely.
It didn't bother me, especially because they already have some flashy moments (like the "This is requiem") and doing too many would be over the top, but that suggestion is a really cool one
This makes two Jostars that were killed so hard nothing was left
Wait who was the first?😅 was it Jotaro?
Yep@@troyami
@@troyami yep, I don’t blame you for forgetting lol
Death Battle makes no sense, honestly. They used a non canon source (the Eyes of Heaven game) to undermine GER, when in that same game, Jotaro can manipulate reality on a universal to multiversal scale but still lost to Kenshiro.
Make no mistake, I still think Joker is more powerful, but they handled Giorno pretty bad.
@@vn9574 I mean, even if they didn't, there's still no evidence to suggest GER can bypass Sinful Shell. While Satanael has shown to be immuned to reality warping abilities, showing how Satanael is unaffected by Yaldabaoth Ray Of Control. I do agreed that Eyes Of Heaven shouldn't be brought up.
When he used die for me “an insta kill attack” I thought it was over
Die For Me only has a chance to insta-kill, otherwise it just does Curse damage. Kinda like Magatsu Mandala.
@@jamesnall6462 actually, it either insta-kills or it does nothing. You're probably thinking of how it appears in Strikers, where it actually does do damage.
Source: I just finished a NG+ run (for the superbosses) and Alice was one of my main personas for all the story dungeons.
@@bracken8782 that's probably it. Sorry. I've been trying to 100% Strikers on Merciless recently, so it's forefront in my mind.
@@bracken8782 Not always. Sometimes "Die For Me" either insta-kills or does nothing, and sometimes it either insta-kills or does Curse damage instead. For instance, it works that way in SMT 5. If Die For Me doesn't insta-kill in SMT 5, then it does a lot of Curse damage instead. IIRC it works that way in P5 & P5R too. Just not 100% sure since I haven't played P5R in a while.
@@bracken8782 do you think they used strikers Alice then? It didn’t kill giorno but hurt him so that wold make sense.
Awesome reaction. And this was a awesome battle. And the battle theme Requiem for a Thief was a banger track that sounded like it would be in the P5/P5R/P5: Strikers/PQ2/P5: Dancing Soundtrack.
Great reaction and the episode was very good and I'm ready for the salt...That next TIME HYPE HYPE HYPE!
Fight was nice asf tbh well animated and everything.
I have no idea what they were thinking. THIS should have been the premier instead of Omni-Man vs Bardock. An overall good episode, even with a controversial result. This one however was amazing. I know this one was planned to be the premier before RT shut down, but this one blows Omni-Man vs Bardock out of the water. So glad they did not use a stupid No Limit Fallacy on GER.
I’m betting that Bardock vs Omniman was shown in teasers over Giorno vs Joker because looked more appealing to the average viewer with it being a 3D fight. Though I highly agree that I enjoyed Joker vs Giorno a lot more.
From what I have heard, they made Omni-Man vs Bardock the premiere because it was closer to completion.
I think it was originally supposed to be the premier. There's a post credit scene in Galactus vs Unicron that shows three tarot cards: The Fool, Death, and The World. The Fool representing Joker, Death representing Death Battle, and The World being the stand of Giorno's daddy.
Boring MU, like it was so predictable Joker was gonna win
@@justincarbaugh596 And that instantly makes it boring? No. Top notch animation, cool memorable scenes, good rundowns that did justice to both characters, etc.
Not everything has to be close. Several of my favorite match up ideas are stomps, such as Bloom vs Will Vandom, is one sided in favor of Will. But it has great animation potential with a lot of things both characters can do, that can make for an amazing animation
This fight was awesome! The final moment where GER tries to punch way Sinfull Shell was really cool.
19:09
Yo, Rappter just became an anime character in that moment. That’s how you know this was a good fight.
Nah Joker just maxed his social link with Rappter.
Omni-Man vs Bardock was good
Joker vs Giorno was pretty good
Hopefully Bowser vs Eggman will be great and that both Bowser and Eggman are done so much better than them fighting Ganon and Dr Wily
I mean, Eggman v. Wily was pretty good... although the world it took place in, less so for them.
@@isleofredemptionBoomstick: Well that world’s fucked. Our bad
omni-man vs bardock was pure bias, its my least favourite death battle
Omni man and bardock was probably top 5 worst death battles in history but I get it
@@Biggie_RyanIt's so bad, i didn't even bother finishing the video after reading the comments.
I've said this before, and i will continue to believe this: anyone who uses their most powerful skills/attacks/transformations first will he the one to lose 85-90% of the time in these death battles. The moment Giorno used Requeum, i knew it was him who was losing
It hurts my soul seeing my comfort character die but damn that fight was peak
In all fairness I was really nervous going into this fight for the exact same reason but for the other character. I think this episode did justice to both characters though
"Jojover." Nice one, Rappter.
Why so serious?
Oh wait, wrong guy!
Frankly, I've never really seen anyone get heated over thos MU, so I feel kinda alienated when someone brings up the Wars that will be kicked off by it.
I remember seeing a short about Yu (persona 4 protag) vs Jotaro and all that was needed was a time stop and Yu was dead
Glad they cleared up how busted wild cards can be
I mean back then it was basically level 1 Yu with only izanagi
Yeah, that death battle was just dbx so no research done, only base level knowledge, if they actually did the fight Yu would win since he could just use a persona that nullifies or reflects physical attacks or use the omnipotent orb.
Sataneal: the true form of Satan before he fell from grace. Sinful shell: a bullet made from the seven deadly sins can pierce even a God.
We all know Bowser VS Eggman has been requested since the show began. If Bowser VS Ganon and Eggman VS Wily didn’t happen, the MU would have happened much sooner. Can’t wait
Did you see the little sneek peek of Bowser Vs Eggman army before the title?
This fight in a nutshell:
"I'm gonna kick your ass."
"Good point but on the other hand,no."
"Power of friendship tho."
*dies*
I like how when Joker is recovering his strength by hearing the wishes of his friends, you can hear Akechi say, " If you die here, I will kill you again myself!"
Y'all have no idea how happy this one episode made me! First we got my boy Joker on the show, then the fight itself was absolutely incredible, then my boy Ren pulls out the win with all his style and flash, and finally my most wanted matchup is the next episode! Oh my God, I'm so happy! I can't wait for Bowser VS Eggman; it's gonna be so worth the wait! Three weeks can't pass by fast enough!
The only question I had going into this battle was "Can almighty attacks pierce Giorno?" Almost all of Giorno's other hax were obviously hard countered by Joker's set. I couldn't think of any way Giorno could actually kill Joker, but I couldn't think of any way for Joker to actually kill Giorno outside of just blasting him with almighty.
Yeah, either the fight ended with Joker using Sinful Shell to outright destroy GER or Myriad Truth to banish GER and leave Giorno with no stand. Don’t really see any other way.
I feel bad for SpongeBob profile guy. I know he commented to many people trying to argue why GER beats Joker. I’m a fan of both series, so I didn’t care who won lol
I think this outcome was pretty clear speaking as someone who doesn't know either of these characters too well.
Even though I'm a big JOJO fan know practically nothing about Persona I will admit seeing Joker's friends cheer him on and encouraging him to not give up was heartwarming
Absolutely loved this episode.
Honestly loved this fight . And episode good analysis the jokes in giornos analysis had me floored the fight was great and the conclusion was amazing. Feels like a response to last episodes terrible conclusion. I like omnidock but some parts of the fight and conclusion damper my enjoyment alot. This one though not a problem very good stuff
If we're talking Bowser's and Eggman's top followers, I think experience at least goes to Bowser's - if only because more of them have gone through several battles (especially Bowser Jr., the Koopalings, and King Boo) than most of Eggman's have (Metal Sonic and...maybe the Deadly Six?).
Gawd if Joker Stabbed SATANAEL with that Arrow i think he could Solo the anime (?) the fact that how Broken he is with SATANAEL but then again that's my speculation. Anyway about the battle itself it's actually pretty good fight and the analysis they might got it right(?) but it the end I'm happy that we can finally see the actual outcome from the battle.
i just finish watching that death battle and i love it
I called it. That ger doesn't fully transcend fate. I knew ren had this.
But Diavolo was fated to kill Giorno but he still survived so I thought he could transcend fate
@@gaminganimators7000how was Diavolo “fated” to kill Giorno?
@gaminganimators7000 Well its explained in part 6 that giorno was in Orlando Florida looking for pucci because just like his brothers he was drawn to him by fate.
@@riccard1n0 it was seen in the future, and everything that is in the future will surely happen, and it didn't, but hey it is what it is
GER does transcend fate though. That is literally what it does in the show by going against the outcome that was shown by Epitaph. It's just that Joker has resistance to even reality manipulation, so fate manipulation and mid tier reality manipulation couldn't really beat him.
DIO's such a bastard that he ruined his son's Death Battle, poor Giorno... but I'm glad Joker won personally, even though the result is obviously controversial (because GER). It was a fun battle overall and better than Omni-Man VS Bardock for me.
(P.S. I named Ren "Joker Joestar" in my P5 playthrough, so I've always wanted a JoJo/Persona episode).
FINALLY A SERIES THAT CAN BEAT FUCKING JOJO IN DEATH BATTLE!!!!!!!!! HELLLLLLL YAAAAAAAAAA
they had to crutch joker btws so yep....he been using not all he's personas lmao that verse is no joke in terms of hax lmao
Technically the first JoJo DB Kenshiro vs. Jotaro ended with Kenshiro being the victor.
@@derrickhaggard which was wrong by their own logic lmao
@@NitrogenicLMFAO no kenshero definitely beats Jotaro again you biased JoJo fans still can’t except that lol
@@TheKryptonianSaiyan Reread my comment I said based on their logic IN THE VIDEO
I love this episode, and I am glad that Joker won
Bowser vs eggman was obviously the next
HUGE missed opportunity to have a fake-out analysis only for it to revert to the fight at the "winner is..."
Even works even if Gio loses to demonstrate the bullshit of GER & represented in the episode effectively for the audience.
I wonder what they’ll give eggman. Metal Sonic will probably be the linchpin. If they let him use metal overlord, or super neo ( in the IDW comics, which are very much cannon.)I don’t see bowser winning.
Don't forget infinite and sage too
@@darkshadical8425sage was in the next time preview
@@Loldino897 i know, im saying them 2 cause he only mentioned metal i don't see boswer winning at all.
Eggman can even potentially get the Time Eater and Mother Wisp. Allowing him to break time and space respectively. I don’t know if Bowser has anything for Time Manipulation. I also wonder if Eggman will get the Phantom Ruby?
@@tristanbowles7258 he 1000% is, in forces you can see he created prototypes
I wouldn’t say that since while we haven’t seen a Mario character in DB since I guess Wario, it’s another repeat character, though DK hasn’t had anybody since S2
Also yeah this fight is gonna be very controversial to many people but I’m cool with it, I was genuinely surprised by the outcome
Honestly the comments aren't that bad at all especially compared to Omni-Man v Bardock. I think most people find that the power of friendship won was funny, lol. If someone does complain is that they possibly took an account of a weakness to GER from a video game, which isn't canon, but that is basically it.
So does this mean Mista is the new boss?
Thank goodness 😅 Death 💀 Battle didn’t screw this up 🆙 Hulk Vs Broly and Doomsday, Iron Fist 👊 Vs Po, The Phoenix 🐦🔥 Vs Raven 🐦⬛, Android 🤖 18 Vs Captain 👩✈️ Marvel, Madara Vs Aizen, Ben 10 Vs Green Lantern 🏮 . Joker 🃏 🏆. He’s just too O.P.!!!
100% agree with you
3:04 Scared to ask but, WTF is that!?
A persona
@@gratedshtickWait, what?
@@flaremawile726 nevermind, that was mark Zuckerberg's metaverse, an idea where internet and reality merged. I thought you were talking about the second coming and jojo, mara.
@@flaremawile726the persona/demon is called Mara.
And yes, Mara is a dıč̣ƙ on a chariot. When first encountered in persona 5, I believe it's called the king of lust
The winner became predictable to me as soon as giorno used his trump card before joker used his
Dio vs Alucard 2.0
Bringing in game feats for Giorno was so funny to me… I thought that was gonna give him an advantage but it actually was probably the reason he lost😂
They really brought in a non canon example for Giorno against the most broken character of all time.
I’m fine with the result. Giorno’s Gold Experience Requiem had 1 anime episode and his power and limits are up to YOUR interpretation. Regardless if Jojo lost in Death Battle, that doesn’t mean it’s strictly correct. Especially in this case where we don’t see Giorno’s limits
Joker still wins without the non canon example
@@Dale2Real. maybe but that example from the game told them that Giorno has a limit. Without that Giorno’s power is potentially limitless🤷
@@troyami Its not tho, return to zero returns all actions and attacks to zero which is why diavolo couldn't win even after seeing giornos loss in the near future. Almighty attacks bypass abilities that bends the laws of the universe or reshape reality
@@Dale2Real. Like diovalo, he reshapes reality to his favour and Giorno still reverses it, in the data book it says it can reverse anything no matter how strong it is so yeah 🤷🏿
@@gokusama4445everything in the jojo world, yes. You can’t just say it applies to every other fictional verse without proof. GER could potentially be limitless, but we don’t know for sure. We have to work with what we have…and we don’t have a lot for GER except him beating KC. Don’t get me wrong, KC is a strong stand, but GER was made to counter him specifically.
The minute they brought Almighty Damage into the equation, my anger subsided because…yeah…Almighty Types are full of some BS…
I just route for they hero and joker is a hero.
If Giorno is Jesus, then Joker is the cross
Joker would just throw a cross tbh
@@Loldino897he would y'all forget this same guy who chucked holy swords into a dragon to ground it
Im glad that I switched to Joker otherwise my score wouldve been 0-2
A much better episode the. The first one
21:58 Not true. I’m sure people are pissed, but I am not one of them.🎉🥳
I'm not disagreeing with the result, but i just don't understand why they include EOH feats which is non-canon, they didn't include EOH feats on Dio vs Alucard since its non-canon in the first place
Honestly, GER has nothing besides beating KC…the rest is up to interpretation. We don’t know what GER limits are since he didn’t beat anyone stronger than KC
For 2 reason:
1) Because whitout EoH you only have 1 appereance of GER that doesn't even explain in detail his power (The main reason why a lot of people just go for a No Limits Falacy whit GER like "Why doesn't GER just reverse everything until the fight didn't even happen?" Maybe he just can't do that, crazy right?).
2) Araki supervised the creation of EoH, so despite being no canon to the main story it can be canon to the confirmed Jojo multiverse (as per Part 7, there's infinite alternate universes in Jojo, the universe where parts 7 to 9 happen being a diferent one from parts 1 to 6), plus being a What-If doesn't aoutomatically discard it from being taken into consideration UNLESS it contradicts main material (GER has almost none of that).
Sonic defeated someone with jokers powers all of them so yuh sonic solos
I agree Joker should win, but I don't think they should use Eye of heaven, since it's non-canon, if they are going to use that, Jotaro should have won against Kenshiro
GER is strong but dam....i called it he would win to btws cause he has hax better than him yep
Giorno lost to the power of friendship 😂😂😂
This would confirm my theory that jonnhy Joe star with infinite gyro could also defeat Giorno
I didn't watchcthe battle wasn't interested all I wanted to see is next time and I'm freaking excited
Giorno is human sonic the hedgehog
I'm confused because Jokers abilities ignore the laws of the universe but GER isn't following laws of the universe either. It's not like he's just negating requiem because requiem isn't bound by the laws that Joker negates either. I'm not arguing against the fight, I just don't really understand this one
I aint really like giorns voice actor but i knew he would loose. Hes my boy an all but the problem with jojos is that every season only last a short time for they're main characters. Thus not giving them significant time to develop as a whole.
All JoJo characters are developed really well within a short time, so I don't know what you are talking about. If you mean power wise, then I do agree.
you spoiling the result of the fight in your title is so annoying
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As both a persona and jojo fan who wanted GER to win, good with it. My only thing that got me saying wtf is the eyes of heaven metion like that not canon. Also RTZ resets i joker will to zero even with his social like charging back up?
No no, it reverts all actions and even WILL down to Zero, in order for Gio to revert the gauge down to zero he would have to revert ALL of Joker’s actions from the beginning of the game to that point (which not only was Gio never shown to be able to use Requiem to that level, but Joker can straight up resist reality manipulation on an even greater scale)
@@proskstrikes8014 okay i see your point now.
Even if eyes of heaven isn’t canon, it was still created by the creator of Jojos, which gives at least some creditably to what happens in it.
@@Darkwolf_1017 i didn't even think DB would even bring it up.
but hey the battle was good regardless.
@@WhiteTSGameractually they mentioned it in the small black text box that pop off during the explanation
Persona MCs are stupidly overpowered
Joker and Yu Narukami would absolutely destroy almost every character
It's better to use side characters like Mitsuru and Adachi (😏) with a single Persona
The absolute cap
As usual, can’t take death battle seriously when they used a non-canon source of a game as a loophole Wincon against GER in favor of Joker, not to mention giving him outside help with social links. Most definitely not the realistic outcome which would’ve ended when GER was activated. It’s unofficial like all death bottles. Best believe they’re only meant for entertainment purposes.
Almighty is canon, and sinful shell is canon as well
The most likely outcome in the vast majority of fights between the two is that Giorno gets obliterated before he has the chance to use GER
@@BleenyBoy
That’s not what I was referring to, learn how to read. What was used against GER from a game called eyes of heaven of when it lost is non-canon.
@@shoxy-the-pinecone6113
Yeah no, Critically speaking power scaling wise this is how it realistically goes: GER > Joker > Giorno with base GE > Ren.
@@truthcrusader360 the fuck is blud waffling on about, Arsene vs Base GE would end too fast for Giorno to have time to use the requiem arrow
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Well done bro :3
All of you guys are free to stay in my bunker because we know what going to happen after this
I’m neutral on this DB. Mainly justifying the win, by using non-canon material and not scaling to all stands in JoJoveller (which they showed), which included Made in Heaven having Infinite for Speed and GER is still said to be above all Stands in that guidebook (EoH and Jorge are non canon, unlike the AU stuff used in other series, like DBHeroes, Xenoverse, or Archie comics.) Also, one of the games has GER able to return defense to 0 and RtZ is passive, not just a move like they said. If EoH is allowed, then it would’ve been funny if they included Jorge Joestar (it features crazier stuff, with things similar to Stands called Beyonds, which are Metafictional.) They also got TWoH’s ability wrong, which isn’t reality bending and more of a creation god power (like true Arceus from Pokemon Arceus) as it’s explicitly stated that GER’s ability wasn’t nullified/reality bending.
However, I don’t think anyone’s ready for Jorge Joestar because there’s this meme about Kars, where there’s 36 Kars on Mars (the same character from JoJo Part 2, but he survived and got stronger.) Also, funnily enough, Dio got a Beyond, so even with Schrödinger, Alucard would lose and now Jotaro wins against Kenshiro, because TWoH lost to SP (it got the same power and became SPoH.) There’s some neat GW extended material called Purple Haze Feedback and it’s a story about Fugo after the events of GW. Interested in the next time and I’m just glad we’re getting a more grounded DB (with how much this DB depends on what you give each and what is perceived as, I think it would’ve made more sense as a tie.)
> using non-canon material
A non canon material that was still following the established rules of the canon, as Araki was involved and supervised the creation of the story. So if the author said that GER could be defeated by a more powerful stand that could overwrite reality, it WILL happen if he ever fought an opponent with same stats and hax in the canon.
> RtZ is a passive
Its not. GER needs to activate it. It only appears to be passive because GER acts independently and Giorno is not aware of the actions his stand does.
>TWOH ability isnt reality bending
It is reality bending. He overwrites reality through physical contact, with post soul consumption not needing to touch the target at all.
> GER's ability wasnt nullified
It did get nullified. As did Tusk's infinite spin via Nullifying their effects with Reality Overwrite.
:)
Don’t agree with the results or reasoning, and it pissed me off that they brought up Maruki at all since it contradicts there argument, but I like Joker just as much as Giorno so I’ll just leave it at disagreement and leave it at that.
You don't even know about Jokers power scaling
@@Maaarrrrk If that’s your best response, then I’ll take it you don’t know either. But I do know. One of my favorite games is Persona 5 Royal. And I don’t agree. Please don’t make accusations of me just not knowing when I very much do
I'm unfamiliar with Joker, how does it contradict their argument?
@@gaminganimators7000 They showed Joker getting effected by the same ability as GER, but said Joker could resist it anyway
@@zachspool and they power scaled Joker to fucking TSM series and fucking Devil summoners and the Moment Sata pops up it's over already dude
just to let it be known, joker cannot summon satanael on his own. its relegated to ngplus only. Not to mention jokers s. links dont revive him from death in a 1v1 fight at all. Requiem shoulda beat out almighty considering maruki can literally nullify any spells, including almighty WHICH THEY SHOWED OFF IN THE VIDEO. these guys are really blowing it this season so far imo. GER def carried giorno alone, they just didnt want to give it to him just because of that probably. This is coming from a huge smt fan and this is just not it.
Well in the fight joker didn’t die he was just badly injured then he got healed (if you’re on about when he was bleeding from the head against the wall that is) plus almighty attacks bypass giornos hax/abilities and realistically joker has dodged light speed attacks too and Maruki isn’t canon since it is just a dlc extension
@@hunterjohnson7796
Uhh let’s be honest. Joker doesn’t need to summon Sataenel at all. He can just use Izanagi-No-Okami-No-Picaro and use Myriad Truths, leaving Giorno with no more stand, since it ended up being banished. Joker is going easy on Giorno in this fight.
First of all read the black boxes, second yes he literally can summon satanael again, he can summon him in royal in the 3rd semester and yes if Makoto yuki in p3r had satanael with sinful shell and the joker fight in p3r legit had satanael and joker legit had satanael in both tactica which happens after royal and royal.
Marukis reality bending is legit stronger than giornos and maruki could NOT stop almighty spells.
And if you actually read the black boxes almighty attackss bypass all hax and defenses in Smt. Plus jokers will cannot be reset it has been shown many times including in tactica when salmanael tried to reduce every humans will to nothing so they became mindless but he couldn’t do that to joker and joker legit willled himself back to reality after being erased by yaldaboth and the entire cognition of the masses.
Plus reflect null and drain physical and again giorno CANNOT kill joker anymore.
No matter how you look at it joker has way more arguement for winning. Y’all jojo fans glaze GER so much when it has legit only appeared once and never even been explained properly. And again joker has resisted fate and casuality and is immune to reality manipulation
@@alimuhammad7370 whats crazy is i have more time in megaten then you do i garuntee it. if you actually played persona 5 royal youd know that No, satanael is not summanable in 3rd semester if its not ngplus. maruki CAN null almighty along with all other spells during his first/second phase. and if joker was immune to reality warping he would have not been affected by maruki at all, when he did indeed still get his wish granted. It doesnt matter though since maruki DOES BLOCK ALMIGHTY its literally the whole gimmick of the first phase when he forbids certain actions. Why didnt joker just use megidoloan during it? because he fucking cant lol. And people really forgetting that defense doesnt matter against infinity, has resist phys? no he doesnt giorno said no. Bro couldnt break out of a deathloop I garuntee it since bro can still be taken out by a regular bullet.
@@hunterjohnson7796 bro, ng plus how the hell does that change anything logically and genuinely he STILL has it and he can legit use it in tactica and p3r when he’s a boss in that game, saying he shouldn’t have it is pure bias.
And what you clearly don’t understand is that marukis reality warping is way stronger than giornos, giorno power and warping dosnr scale no were near marukis not even yaldaboths. Giornos reality warping is way weaker and joker can legit resist it.
And joker was immune to marukis reality manipulation even in the bad endings of the game joker after accepting marukis reality was aware of the new reality both him and akechi were still aware. And I the deadline ending joker legit lost his will of rebellion and access to the velvet room for refusing to make a choice that’s why he got affected and put to sleep.
Resist repel, drain physical is a literal passive ability and it’s not a physical action that joker is taking, it’s a passive ability (like GER) that activates any time it detects a physical attacks, GER only revert actions taken against giorno and actions specifically with the intent of harming giorno.
Also in tactica, jokers will legit could not be reset by salmanael, salmanael whole plan was to make humans mindless with no will of their own so they don’t do anything anymore and salmanael couldn’t affect joker with this. Plus against yaldaboth joker legit got erased from reality and the cognition of every man and yet he willed himself back to reality.
Plus do you not understand how GER works, GER is fate, casuality and reality manipulation, joker was immune to marukis reality. Has has literally defied fate and casuality, p5 is legit a rigged game made my yaldabaoth bestowed upon joker, and when yaldaboth sent joker to be executed joker legit rebelled and broke free from his cell. Plus lavenza states herself that the trickster is one who defies fate and has the power to change the world.
I’m not gonna bother arguing anymore if it’s the same shit being thrown out go read the g1 blog on who wins. I find it funny that one ability that showed up for ONE episode and doesn’t even get explained properly and the fans are like yeah it’s unbeatable nothing can beat it. People need to understand that GER isn’t invincible and many characters could bypass it easily. And besides joker who is debatable every other persona protag would destroy giorno. (Dunno about naoya haven’t played p1)
You are mad bro. Joker is just... stupid and i didnt even wanna bring this up to my friend at work cause hes going to wine and cry
Technically since Giorno is within his own Palace we haven’t seen his death yet, his physical body would die of vomiting up black stuff a couple days later
So by Might Guy vs All Might rules, this is a tie
You don’t have to kill an opponent to win a death battle as absurd as that sounds you just have to remove their ability to continue the fight.
Bill was ruled as having won his fights even though he couldn’t “kill” Discord, since Discord would inevitably respawn given enough time.
i kinda hate this one
In my reaction I was pissed off when joker won tbh
Nah death battle is fucking biased as hell 🤣🤣 Giorno would end joker. He literally has a deus ex machina as a fucking power.
Joker's whole existence is a Deus ex machina as well. He quite literally is exempt from the laws of reality and manipulation. he was erased from all of reality at one point and just came back like nothing happened. So really there is no bias cause Gio doesn't have anything that would put joker down.
Sure, but Joker ends his game by shooting a literal Deus ex Machina in the face with the power of Satan, so...
K, Giorno is a Deus Ex Machina… Only problem, Joker killed a Deus Ex Machina
Bro called them biased, mf never played P5/P5R let alone a persona game 😭
yeah....never finished the game but ya know persona and shin megami are busted as hell probably GER is like some boss a protagonist has delt with like joker fighting someone who can do that to and win bro
This whole entire death battle was just full of BS they really need to do better. I’m not saying it was not a 50-50 but in reality they just lowball Requiem And for those of you mad about my comment, that battle isn’t always right you don’t trust death battle scaling at all because they’ve been debunked plenty of times and you know some people beg to differ of this and will debunk it😭🙏 so do not send any backlash to me
They didn’t list half of Jokers abilities. You need to prove GER could revert Universal reality warping
and they lowballed Joker to give Giorno a chance what's your point
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They actually highballed requiem saying that it countered made in heaven when it quite literally did not
@@domothebro2435it could that's the point, erasing time it superior to accelerating it, and Giorno reversed that 🤷🏿
This whole entire death battle was just full of BS they really need to do better. I’m not saying it was not a 50-50 but in reality they just lowball Requiem And for those of you mad about my comment, that battle isn’t always right you don’t trust death battle scaling at all because they’ve been debunked plenty of times and you know some people beg to differ of this and will debunk it😭🙏 so do not send any backlash to me edited. Ty for rage bait comments
@@johnjordan211 he didn't actually pay attention he's just salty giorno lost
How tf can they lowball requiem when they literally analyzed all TWO, count em, TWO appearances of it??
They scaled it to Made In Heaven, a stand from a non canon game that's more powerful than anything Gold Experience faced in canon and only mentioned like half the stuff Joker had that could get past Requiem, if anything they were being generous to Giorno.
Stop being pissy there was nothing Giorno could’ve done
For those of you see my comment and wonder why they use the non-canon game I think if they use this strictly from the anime he would’ve won because in the anime and in the manga instead of using a non-canon game, nothing has gotten through his requiem battle is full of BS. I quit watching it. Every version of Goku lost Superman.
Cap bro 😭 they give us a BS DB again this is so sad bro like this is one sided ahh 1v1 like why do this just to make us mad like we know the crazy part is they use game logic when it’s not canon to the story 🙏😭 And for those of you mad about my comment, that battle isn’t always right you don’t trust death battle scaling at all because they’ve been debunked plenty of times and you know some people beg to differ of this and will debunk it😭🙏 so do not send any backlash to me
They also scaled Giorno to Made in Heaven from another game that's even less canon (Eyes of Heaven was at least supervised made by Araki), so I'd say it balances out.
aww someone's sad their preferred character lost
You've commented two rants (one being uploaded twice), chill down dude
@@childofchaos1645It is reasonable why he's mad, they brought up an anti feat that's not canon and made Giorno lose because of it. It's fine that Joker won but a non canon feat tho? That's kinda stupid
@@Ragnarok072 wether you think that argument is valid or not is entirely up to you, but there are two main reasons as to why they used EOH
1. While it's not canon, it was written by Araki, meaning it has the creators authenticity on it, and isn't contradicted by part 5 or any other statements he's made about GER
2. GER only has one canon appearance, so they used EOH to get more information on what it can and can't do
Again, wether you agree or disagree is entirely subjective, no issues with that, I'm just explaining why they would use Eyes Of Heaven in the first place
I honestly expected Giorno to win but I think the battle was still awesome. The only thing I don’t agree with is that Joker can destroy universes or move faster than light.
Bless skills and almighty skills are literal light beams and maruki and jaldabaoth could affect the literal universe with their powers, and fusing real world and metaverse together is technically an universal feat, and joker beat both of them