20.000€+ Nürburgring Crash Damage & BLOWN UP GR86 Engine🤦🏻♂️
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Can Americans win it? The GR86 is road legal in the USA.
Might also want to mention that according to the price draw rules section 5. in addition to registering you'll have to be following and liking them on Instagram and the entries are tied to likes of their Instagram giveaway posts. So just registering on the site doesn't get you in the giveaway.
@@novadea1643thx for that! I don't do insta sonim shit outta luck
So everything that could have potentially went wrong has already went wrong. Glad you got all the problems out of the way for the second owner 😁
It's unfortunate to hear all the issues of the build. It's already costing you a lot and even with all that, you are still a stand-up person and you are considering the safety of the person and the realibility of the vehicle. Even with the increasing bill, you put safety first and foremost and realibility. Mad respect to you Misha!
Great update Misha. Can you please do a dyno run after the HKS stroker kit has been installed? No one else has done this yet so I think it would be a very popular video. Also a detailed engine build video would be awesome. I’ve been looking at this kit for my BRZ. Cheers mate 👍
Engine gone sucks but... Winning the car with a HKS stroker engine 😎💪🏻🤯
Fully build give away 👌🏻
First the calendars and now this Misha! 🙄😉 Thank you for your honesty and transparency as always.
GR86/BRZ G2 unfortunately have oil pressure issue & they're pretty common issue, I'm guessing the safest way is install oil accumulator just to be safe, I saw people tried different style baffles & it didn't seems to help.
It's a shame these engine issues plague the car because it's otherwise a great package, can't wait to see the build progress though as you iron it out!
I really hope to see as much info as possible when the engine is taken apart. How much oil was in it? What grade? Did any of the springs in the heads fail? Spun bearing? Any info that can help the community of owners with these cars will be extremely helpful.
Ouuuu rod knock...thats really bad, I sadly know about this...not in a FA24 but in a EJ257 :-(
The Oli pressure warning light could be renamed to "engine dead" light, as it lights up at about 0.14bar in EJs -.- I don´t know how it´s set up in the FA24, but there are some oiling issues withe these engines.
Happy holidays too Misha and thank you for all your content a videos from nurburgring,because if i looked your videos my dreams come true.Once again big thanks and happy holiday and marry christmas to you and to your family and friends.
I was so close to buying a GR86. I almost talked myself into it too thinking maybe some people reporting the engine failures on the forums did something wrong or were leaving out details. At the end of the day it is a Subaru engine. Couldn't be happier after getting my Type R
I've been considering getting a GR86 as well but this issue really bothered me. This video from Misha finally put me off completely. Maybe I'll also look at something like a Type R.
Thats.... a HUGE price difference.
@@ericb9687 its an fk8 type R so probably used... Where I'm from used fk8's and new GR86's are more or less same price
@@twistedsanity623 I see, getting it now.
I know these have a pretty common issue of excess RTV getting stuck in the oil pickup. While I don't necessarily think that caused the engine failure, it almost certainly could have exacerbated some kind of oil starvation issue. It's pretty disappointing when you have 20-year-old Japanese cars pounding around tracks all the time without these issues.
Thats not the main cause..even without stuck rtv..these engine still starvig engine oil at high G-force corner and especially at screaming high rpm
Ough, I'm not even a full five minutes in yet, but already feeling so bad for you guys. This is already so much above and beyond. Immense respect for ensuring it's done right and safely for the recipient!
1800 euros for a head light, yikes!!! When I first started work in the late eighties a 3 series BMW headlight cost £140, which back then was basically a whole weeks wage where I started work, because they were sealed units. Whatever happened to being able to just change the bulbs for a few pounds at Halfords.
thats cheap for a headlight on todays cars.... 😢😂
That is a lot. Probably because the GR86 has adaptive headlights with motors in them to direct the beam in the direction you're traveling. This video shows it ruclips.net/video/f7oPqSY-KGk/видео.html
This is why I gave away B8 Passat and took Civic Tourer 1.8vtec. Cheap to maintain, does not brake. SOHC engine reliable as hell and headlights good old fashioned halogen. It is still fun to drive as engine can rev all up to 7.2k.😂😂😂
Its crazy that toyota/subaru still doesn't warranty these engines for such a widely know problem
"widely" as in what? I have seen maybe 10 cars with blown motors. Most of which were heavily tracked cars with no supporting mods. Several of the others were money shifted. I think people exaggerate and there are no more engine failures than your typical car. We don't hear about those because nobody cares about a honda crv or nissan sentra. These cars get attention from enthusiasts so we see it. Considering how most people drive them (myself included) its a miracle there arent more blown engines.
@@boost331Oil starvation on hard right corners is well documented in instrumented tests by the 86 community.
@@boost331 Well, some valid arguments, but for different subject of discussion I'm afraid. In case of this Subaru engine there's a well documented issue with sudden oil pressure drop in the right-hand corners. Even on stock tires. And I don't mean just measurable drop, but over 50% of pressure is lost. There is no loss in left-handers.
@@eledgy Yes it is. It is also documented by the same testers that over filling the oil by 0.5-0.75qts almost entirely solves the problem. Im the most severe cases the pressure loss is still 50% better than running with the OEM specified amount of oil.
@@boost331 overfill helped but didn’t solve the pressure drops adequately to call it a fix.
4:51 Very good deal from a friend: free repair!
From what I have seen accusump + baffled bump solves the oil pressure issues.
Sad to hear that the motor popped, but honestly it's out of your control and shows just how amazing you are to bullet proof it as much as possible for who ever wins it. It shows how your moral compass really does point true north. I have no idea how Toyota sells it with a NASA or SCCA membership in the US, yet it starves oil down to about 1.2bar on track in right handers. I question how it made it past the engineers in testing. I saw Killer B did some testing thinking it was the oil pickup and pan but it ended up making no difference. Kinda makes me think even something extreme like a dry sump might not fix the issue because it's obviously from oil pooling somewhere. I am curious what you guys do to alleviate problem because it's clearly something internal. In all seriousness if you figure it out you will help a lot of GR86 owners out. Keep your chin up and keep putting out awesome content.
A lot of bad luck with GR 86....😮
Cant fight gravity in motor that tries everything against it boxer engines suck
I heard that the car in the gr cup overfill their engine with 1l of oil before the race. I mean you could read it everywhere that the engine has a trouble with oil pressure. And quite a few people are searching for solutions
@@steffenkawa8374I doubt they overfill with 1l, you’d be looking at broken/bent con rod and knackered rings over filling by that much.
I overfilled a Ford CVH engine once with 1/2l too much and it shagged the rings requiring new rings and a rebuild.
😅 Aren't cup GR86s using dry sump lubrication system?
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I'm glad you are fixing it properly. I can't wait to hopefully win it!
The headlights of modern cars are ridiculously expensive! This car had 1800 EUR headlight (each) and some BMW models have headlights that cost 3000+ EUR each.
Maybe a full video on the build of the HKS engine?
Happy holidays!
Hello Misha!
I’m too interested in that HKS kit as I was thinking about this kit for my car as well or maybe when I blow my engine about full HKS engine. How much different does it make to the engine reliability, what exactly does change etc.? Thanks!
thank you for posting about this, I own a 22 BRZ - please update with any relevant info for what caused the blown engine.
You are a genuinely good man Misha, respect sir !
Sorry to hear about your issue. My GR86 failed too. I heard a split second of dry running on track, standard car & oem oil, level checked that morning (close to max), long right hand bend, 118°C oil temperature, reasonably high RPM (above 5000). Then perhaps 50 miles of gentle road driving later I started to hear the unmistakable 'tuk tuk tuk' sound of a big end bearing going bad. You won't read about mine in any statistics, it was taken care of by Toyota, but it seems too easy to do. As you say, the issue of oil pooling in the heads seems to be very well known with Subaru Sti owners who track their cars. Dry sump conversion appears to be the final solution. Good luck with it, I'm going back to flat-6 with factory dry sump.
before i watch im guessing silicone from the oil pan blew up the motor. needs a gasket but the oem is sloppy rtv
Its now even more sorted, the new owner is going to be so lucky!
It was only a matter of time huh, funnily enough the FA20 GT86 is still trucking along.
The GR86/BRZ's reputation has been completely shot - it's failed to meet its intended objective. I really wanted to buy this car but oil pressure issues have made me completely change my mind.
Same. Was a dream car untill I heard about the engine issues.
Get a GR rolla/Yaris. Never trust subaru to make engines for anything other than grocery getting lol.
@@HazyTown01 the car has 10 year warranty, so why worry. I bought it to enjoy my weekends not to tracking. In this case you have to do a lot of modifications but at the same time you loose warranty.
Im excited, good idea to make at least a rebuilt/tuning content series out of the broken giveaway track car.
Hmm Misha, you mention that the stroker kit from HKS, aside from extending capacity, helps in a way with oiling issue - how so? I was not aware it was helping with it at all? Of course the internals will be stronger (hopefully), however I am not sure if it alleviates this issue at all?
I am asking as I also have gr86 and tracking it is a little stressful with oiling issues :P
Your not the only one to blow up there engine this year, my Clio 197 let go at brands, and I feel your pain.
Ah that sucks, sorry to hear, what actually broke? Arent those Clios pretty bulletproof?
Could you add an Accusump as a buffer to supply oil for the short periods of Right cornering?
ruclips.net/video/sxqrDCPaZUQ/видео.html.
An Accusump will help that engine oil starvation problem, they are commonly used on club race cars to avoid the cost of a dry sump system. It's a flat boxer engine, lubrication is an inherant problem with that engine layout.
I talked about it in one of his videos, well before the crash.... I thought that was the solution he had chosen 😔
@@THESHADOW97139 They don't seem to be a European thing.
@@FairladyS130 ??
I think he said they already installed one around 7:54
@@BeanyB0b He did, thanks, the problem must be severe if a Accusump is not fixing it. There could also be a oil drain down problem, even some conventional engines have to have the oil pumped out of the head/s..
As a gr86 owner looking at e92s I am wondering what would perform better around the track. Say, a track like VIR. A boosted gr86 roughly 340hp with a dialed in suspension (Racecomp Enginerring, perfect camber etc) or a 2008-2013 e92. Anyone have any idea?
There isnt much more to happen Misha, what a dream of a car completely rebuilt (dat HKS stroker) reliable and adjustable car... Lucky Winner
Thank you so much misha for this content very interesting! Thank to your "mecanic guy's" for this explications ;)
Dang it sounded like it had turbo flutter 😮
Unfortunate that the newer Toyobarus are kinda notorious for oiling issues, they look seriously fun to drive.
It's really a non-issue unless you plan on pushing the car to its limits on track regularly. For a street car that sees occasional moderate track use it IS a fantastically fun car, and while the whole oil pressure thing is sometimes at the back of my mind you have to be consistently pulling pro-level lateral Gs for an extended period of time for it to be a problem and I know I'm not that good of a driver nor are 99.9% of GR86 drivers. It's disappointing that Toyota didn't design their own inline 4 for this platform which was my biggest complaint about the previous gen but I'm not surprised they didn't and honestly for a mostly street driven car the fact that the engine is the same engine that subaru throws at all their economy cars is probably a good thing in terms of parts availability, cost and reliability (not on track ofc)
@@lukewest708 funny that you mentioned that it is a non-issue unless pushed to its limit. The car broke down in the road.
@Erevos85 Have you not seen all the vids of this car being thrashed on the track by Misha? Just because the engine gave out on the street doesn't mean it was in perfect health before it decided to let go, the oil pressure dips cause wear and damage over time. I'm not trying to say that it isn't an issue at all, just that a mostly street driven car that isnt being driven by a pro driver shouldn't have any problems because of it
Not an excuse for a sports car. This is a long running issue.
@@lukewest708 those engines are fairly new. So what if in a few years they start having the same issues even in cases where the car was not heavily used in track?
What final drive are you installing?
You probably will want a Baxter Performance anti-oil drain adapter. This prevents the filter from emptying when shut off (the filter drains in 30 seconds or so). No more dry starts. It also has a schrader valve in the housing so you can blow out the RVT and get more of the oil out. Thanks for the content!!
when bad luck hits you hard :( damn... what a bummer
GR Yaris has the Oil Pressure Problem as well while driven hardly…
Loved that you told us about the new Nangkangs.. CR-S supose to be slight better than the insane AR-1's
Cool car... GR us awsome as in Toyota..
currently there's some sort of solution that you can get away with the oil starvation, which is to overfill the engine oil for 1 Quart, this does prevent big oil pressure lost ( still get 30-40 ish which is not perfect but ok) but you do need to drain the 1 Quart back when you're off the track, 1 Quart overfill do make a bubbling issue. but on track, it is fine
As a mechanic told me once, to fix a boxer engine lubrification issue you buy a Porsche, they tilt their engine in a bench while simulating laps around tracks for the load and rpm.
They also put high pressure pumps in the heads to return oil to the sump for base models and fully dry sump all the high performance/track variants.
I'm seriously considering the GR86 as my next vehicle, but that oil issue makes me hesitant, unless the oil accusump is indeed a proven solution...
This is exactly why I got the new WRX over the BRZ, really unfortunate that the NA FA24 motor has oil starvation issues in the track.
Still have the same underpinning issue of oil starvation in high G-force corner...
Just with slightly lesser risk because the turbo version rev slightly lower...
Inhereted problem way back into EJ series engine and still not solved in FA series modern iteration...
Yes Misha, you got to do some laps before giving it away! The new owner would be able to see their car on the legendary Nürburgring! What an extra gift, Cheers!
ooof didnt expect that! that's about half the new price of a new GR86 in Germany! BMW prices.. auchies :O
(but in NL 75k for a new GR86.. it could be worse ;) )
the biggest mod you need to do in that car is the oil supply.
yeah oil starvation at speed during high g forces have killed a bunch of those things it seems.
Misha, are you sure there was enough oil in the sump? The oil pressure sensor is basically on/off switch and triggers the oil pressure light basically when there is virtually zero oil pressure.
Thanks for updating us!
Either that or the baffle that they have dislodged a rubber trap door to clog the pickup. It's everyone's guess 🤷♂️
Oil level was over max, when a bearing fail the oil pressure drop instantaneously that why the lamp on.
@@andre82s2kdid you already dropped the oil pan after the failure? Is it possible that part of the baffle broke off and blocked the pick up tube?
@@patrikcent1 not touched yet, January i will have look.
First, I didn't like the car so much. But then I started liking it more and more. It is a great car with great modifications.
Happy holidays!
Wow the blue suspension kinematics…
I really enjoy these mechanical a bit videos
is the "oil-problem" fixed with the 2023 models?
The car seems to be cursed.
Yeah, now it certainly seems so!
Oh god i JUST asked you on another video about the oil pressure on this car...
Can we please get a list with all the mods done? In many videos you, show the parts shortly, if at all.
I'd like to upgrade my gr this year and having a trusted source for good parts would be greatly appreciated
Ohh bugger, ive just got to the engine bit 😏
Wordt het "drie maal is scheepsrecht" met het weggeven van de GR86?
That's a lot of damage!
There's a TÜV certified turbo kit by HKS in germany and Switzerland so I guess it's possible but there's no reason for it at this point...
Honestly i don't think it's even worth spending money on this engine anyway
The car did it's job it survived the crash and yes the motor popped but only means you can swap it out for a different one
wait, you can't put a turbo on a car on germany? or how does that work?
You aren't allowed to do almost anything on your car here in Germany. Rules and regulations are extremely strict. It's about keeping it street legal, you're not even allowed to build in something like an intercooler or something like that. It's very complicated here 😢
a dry sump and some oversized cooling to keep the engine temp below 80C could be ok I guess.
They already have a sump on
@@HazyTown01 No they don't, you would see an Accumulator Sump's piping going straight to the block oil galley. Don't trust everything internet tells you, look with your eyes.
Love ur coment.. life happens. At least ur honest about it and share the news on the people who is xited to might win it., merry xmas Micha
was it the link that broke?
Cant wait to come pick it up when i win it, thank you ❤
This video is like a symphony of creativity. Well orchestrated!
Not surprised the engine blew up on this car as it happened to a lot of people using this for tracking
Ich hab dir schon Anfang des Jahres gesagt das der Motor ein Öldruckproblem hat 😅
Schade das es dich wirklich erwischt hat 😥
Ich hab mit meinen auch wirklich kein gutes Gefühl, es ist eine Sauerei das Subaru die offensichtlichen Probleme ignoriert und kleinredet...
Aber wirklich tolles Auto und geiler Umbau von euch.
Btw, es wird einen Turbo Umbau mit TÜV von MPS Engineering geben 😉
(Was ich allerdings für keine gute Idee halte wenn man sich den Motor ansieht 😅)
Atleast you'll have new toys to play with on the car!
I don't get why headlights have gotten so expensive. Heard the same pricing on my niece's Q7 headlight, they ended up just getting a newer car😂
'couple other mods'
few months later: Good morning , comrades! Here we have LS swapped, twin turbo, rocket fuel GT86. Cause we the decided its something GT86 really needs.
Sounds like you're keeping the car ;)
are these using the 0w20 oil? if so putting 5w40 would help keep the bearings separated from the crank
I believe they’re using w40 or above.
@@eledgy yes .
But the problem does not come from the oil, but from the design of the lubrication circuit
@@THESHADOW97139so they should recall and find a solution for it
Actually, since the Oil pressure drops a lot on High G right hand corners, a 5w-40 oil would actually be worse, and most certainly cause the engine to blow, since a thicker oil would take way more time to go back and lubricate the engine. Trust me on this one, never go higher than 5w-30. These engines are not made to support thicker oils, which in almost all cases of engine blows, the owners were using a thicker oil such as 5w-40.
I'm so in love with the Toyota GR86 (such a perfect car!
the car has become better than it was from the factory
Happy Xmas holidays everyone 🎉👋🏻
Killer b motorsports maj
Ke oil pan with bafflea and oil pickup which it sounds like is rhe issue which is known in subaru engines for track type use may be the anawer
It would be sick to see you fit a GR corolla engine in there! Would be great and unique
Actually that's a very good idea! because the boxer whatever you do! it'll have that oil issue! i hope someone picks up your idea & apply it bet it'll work superb lol
@@zf8496 you could just get an f20 turbo in there, better option than a 3cyl
TRIED THE NANKANG CRS, on my channel driving a lotus cup, it is better than cup 2
Was considering getting this GR86 or the Supra, sounds like its gonna be a Supra...
The usual subaru engine issue with oil starvation at high G-force corner...
What was the cause of crash Misha?
Idling a (normal) car to "warm it up" is bad for any engine. Unless its tens of degrees below 0, you want to start the engine, let it idle for at most as long as it takes the AC to defog the inside of the windscreen, and then take off calmly. Idling a cold engine for a "long" time does nothing but wear the bearings prematurely. Just FYI.
Can you recommend me a helmet for track days?
Take your time Misha as long as I win it no stress with the deadlines 😊
Get well soon GR86
Out of curiosity, roughly what mileage is on the engine?
6k
5256km 7:04.
Yeah.. I was interested in the those cars except the Subie engines. Always seemed like a big mistake by Toyota to do that. Plus, the engine is just severely underpowered. Toyota should have just put their own drivetrain in that car.
Headache after headache, hopefully yore next project won't be as stressful
K swap??
Did you check the oil sump? I think a rubber trap door came loose and clogged the pick up.
No .
They had anticipated and controlled everything beforehand.
This is a known problem on this engine...
@@THESHADOW97139 I know thats a known problem because i own an GR86. But baffles with rubber trap doors tend to fail and get stuck in the pickups resulting in no oil presure.
@@THESHADOW97139 Tell me you don't know anything without telling me.
@@alexanderlorenz6147 It would be a funny coincidence... especially on new equipment.
This kind of thing would happen on poor quality equipment and with a lot of kilometers... stock on m3, I don't remember hearing this problem.
@@VinRZ 🤔😮💨
How do I partake in the chance to win?
strange that its same corner and looks like same red gt4?
Finance guy, " Do you have a saving acct.?" Track rat, "no, I have a track car"!