There's more than one person to blame but like a coach is ultimately responsible for his teams performance, Larry Scott was/is ultimately responsible for what happened to the Pac. Shame on him.
Why does it feel like we're going back to a bcs type format? Superconferences with playoff access. Teams like BSU and SDSU will as usual, be on the outside looking in. I can see super-conferences using up all 12 teams in the new playoff format.
Yeah, college football is in a really weird place right now. It's crazy to think how the TV networks in many ways own college football and because of that now university athletics and conferences.
Great conversation. No one has captured and explained the declining state of CFB in the west, while also celebrating the handful of highlights as Brock. He's been great to listen to over the last several years. I've been saying for a year the conference should breakup and put the schools into conferences that care about football so they get peer pressure to focus on it. It's just unfortunate for OSU and WSU being left out.
As a Boise State fan I can honestly say that Chris Peterson was, is and always will be the best coach, leader and motivator ever. And, though I have never met him, I believe he is the epitome of what it means to be a great man. The only thing he could do that would further impress me would be to return to the Boise State football program ala Dirk Koetter!
BSU fan here. Coach Pete owned the town (and last I heard, he still hasn’t sold his house in Boise). I understand the desire of coaches to keep climbing the ladder, but what are you climbing into? On some level, it’s a siren song - you can’t resist it but one way or another your ship ends up smashed on the figurative rocks. Coach Pete walked away from what was his dream job at UW; Bryan Harsin got fired from Auburn (and he moved back to Boise, right back into the house he didn’t sell when he left, with his $15M buyout- talk about landing on your feet). It would be great to see Coach Pete back in Boise as an exec advisor or some other “grey beard” role.
the key word that was used in that conversation to describe the PAC 12 was "hubris". I have always felt that they were - in their collective mind - "better than others"....
As of right now I'm of the opinion that the NIL needs to be capped. Idk what that cap should be, it could be $1M or maybe $5M but if it's capped then teams will be on an even playing field again and there'll be less poaching because if someone's getting the max cap at one school then another university can't offer that student more.
The difference between college football and the NFL is that the NFL has a CBA with the labor, tampering rules, enforceable contracts, a salary cap, and a commissioner to enforce these rules. College football is suffering because it has none of these.
Exactly right! The super conference needs a CBA to protect both entities. The players need to get paid and the institutions need expanded scholarship limits due to the more intense schedules they will be facing. I’m really looking forward to it.
It’s really disappointing to see the lives and careers of thousands of student athletes, brushed aside by a handful of businessesmen in favor of money that the players will never see.
you are crazy if you think that a minor league of the NFL would produce the revenue that college teams bring in, and then there is the issue that 95% of kids playing college football would never be involved in a minor league football program...
I think the travel issue for non revenue sports should be a simple fix. No one, including the fans and media partners give a hoot how many times PSU plays USC in say baseball, softball, tennis, etc,, why because no one watches those sports except for a small number of die hards. I played D2 baseball and love the game, but really no one cares if Ohio State plays USC in baseball anywhere near as close as they do in football. So why not set up the B10 baseball schedule in pods where they all play themselves, limit the travel and then have a conference tourney at the end. Maybe USC travels east once a year and it rotates between what schools they will play, but it is 100% not needed that Washington go to Rutgers every year to play a non revenue sport. Besides they already travel a lot. USC is playing a 3 game series in Auburn this year, thats over 2100 miles to play 3 games. Yale of all schools traveled to Seattle in women's soccer this year to play 1 game, Houston did as well. Oregon's softball team traveled to Puerto Vallarta Mexico for a series against several other schools including Wisconsin and MD. That's over 2300 miles from Eugene and 2200+ from Madison and 2600 miles from College Park,, no problem, they also went to playoff series in Arkansas, the year before they traveled over 2000 miles to Waco as well as nearly 3000 miles for a series in Chapel Hill, NC, ie they already travel a ton by choice,
Absolutely, the benefits of being a d1 football player have always been huge . They are making it the nfl basically slowly. Zero regulatory body watching out for the good of the sport , they will ruin it
College football is finally ruined. The start of the BCS era 25 years ago was the beginning of the end. It all started with the bowl system being watered down. Now traditional conferences are being disassembled and sold for parts. College football is a mere shell of its former self.
Welcome to a real conference folks… Just dont be like Nebraska and lose just about every game for the last seven years after joining the Big Ten. Its a tough conference.
@@edchester3150 oh… thats why…. Because Oregon has only won 41% of the time overall. NCAA Football : Conference Series Records : Oregon vs. Big Ten Oregon vs. Big Ten overall record ALL GAMES: (20-28) 41.7% : AVERAGE SCORE: 22.1 - - 23.6 BOWL GAMES: (4-5) 44.4% : AVERAGE SCORE: 22.0 - - 26.4
Oregon is a much different program than in the past. It’s night and day from the mid 90’s and earlier on investment, recruiting, facilities, media coverage, and results. That said, the Big 10 will be a step up. Not many “gimmies” in that conference.
Because you hand out bags of money to get players now and have been like blama way before everyone looked the other way. Without Uncle Filbert's money, you would still be on the outside looking in!! Fact. Plus, your admission standards are weak for football, like almost the whole SUC. It will be fun to see them play the big boys week in and week out in November! It's going to be fun!! Go B1G or go home!
Div 1 Football has been the "minors" for the NFL for a long time.. (esp the upper tier)... time to get on with it./ Brock has to look in the mirror a bit.. he has argued against any NIL and such in the past.. the "they're getting a scholarship, let'em eat cake".. has been the mantra.. maybe calling college games has changed that..
Same reason why a lot of people at the top of their professions check out. He was financially secure for the rest of his life and burnt out from a very demanding career. I did the same thing four years ago and it was the best move I ever did.
@@ulicalyou’re exactly right. He had made at least 2 -4 million for the last 10 years, didn’t need any more money, and wanted to pay attention to his family. He might also have a really sick child at home. He just didn’t have the drive to do all he needed to do to be a top flight big time college head coach.
@@curtismartin2866 I never thought Jimmy would be good, as he didn’t pay his dues, and he also seemed really cocky to me. He was a good recruiter and a decent position coach, and UW kept promoting him to keep his recruiting chops in house. Now, he ended up being a brilliant placeholder, which gave Deboer a chance to prove himself as an FBS HC, and be a top notch candidate.
let me rephrase a previous post: I would love to see Chris Peterson lead Boise State's recruiting. Coach Peterson could find players who were OKG (our kind of guy). That, more than anything, is what made Boise State so special when he coached them. I am a BSU football fan in Indiana who is willing to travel to see them play; BSU has a national following, and that is due to Chris Peterson.
Hipsters on the coast demanding that everyone change...and then realized they are the ones lagging behind 😒 and the midwest and the south are the ones on the cutting edge. I guess you'll have to watch cal vs Tulane on your iPhone...while the rest of us proceed forward 😀
Washington has never lost to Wisconsin in football, has better all time record, more conference championships, national titles, bowl games played in, sorry cheesehead, you're Tito Jackson, not Michael. lol
I know it's hard to accept but......ya, there's now two! The only thing that's different is, the new u.w. is so much better ! Just look at the record ! You can't argue facts buddy
The team that doesn’t back out of scheduled games gets to use UW, therefore it’s the UW Huskies. The Badgers wimped out and canceled their series with UW in 2017, which was previously booked back in 2009. Woof!
@@tjtribble. Well the COVID sports shutdown was woke. The West Coast is full of libtards running the failing cities, I'm sure many of the presidents and chancellors are liberal, woke failures like the mayor's and governors. They are liberal universities. Liberal professors.
Tv executives and big mony ruined college Football now three super pack conferences. The teams that are in three super pac conferences should be kicked out of Ncca and lose amateur status form a semi-pro league . God Bless one and all be safe you all.
I don’t think the NCAA could afford the loss of all of these high visibility teams. If anything, these super conferences might decide that they don’t want to share their earnings with the NCAA which had become an obstacle.
There's more than one person to blame but like a coach is ultimately responsible for his teams performance, Larry Scott was/is ultimately responsible for what happened to the Pac. Shame on him.
Why does it feel like we're going back to a bcs type format? Superconferences with playoff access. Teams like BSU and SDSU will as usual, be on the outside looking in. I can see super-conferences using up all 12 teams in the new playoff format.
Yeah, college football is in a really weird place right now. It's crazy to think how the TV networks in many ways own college football and because of that now university athletics and conferences.
Great conversation. No one has captured and explained the declining state of CFB in the west, while also celebrating the handful of highlights as Brock. He's been great to listen to over the last several years.
I've been saying for a year the conference should breakup and put the schools into conferences that care about football so they get peer pressure to focus on it. It's just unfortunate for OSU and WSU being left out.
8:20 Cutting off the guest. Let them answer the question first and then answer with your listening to respond frame of mind.
As a Boise State fan I can honestly say that Chris Peterson was, is and always will be the best coach, leader and motivator ever. And, though I have never met him, I believe he is the epitome of what it means to be a great man. The only thing he could do that would further impress me would be to return to the Boise State football program ala Dirk Koetter!
he absolutely is and was. husky fan.
Indeed, Petersen was the standard. Fresno State fan here.
BSU fan here. Coach Pete owned the town (and last I heard, he still hasn’t sold his house in Boise). I understand the desire of coaches to keep climbing the ladder, but what are you climbing into? On some level, it’s a siren song - you can’t resist it but one way or another your ship ends up smashed on the figurative rocks. Coach Pete walked away from what was his dream job at UW; Bryan Harsin got fired from Auburn (and he moved back to Boise, right back into the house he didn’t sell when he left, with his $15M buyout- talk about landing on your feet). It would be great to see Coach Pete back in Boise as an exec advisor or some other “grey beard” role.
the key word that was used in that conversation to describe the PAC 12 was "hubris". I have always felt that they were - in their collective mind - "better than others"....
They were.
As for the transfer portal, a university should get a developmental compensation for losing a player of a program.
As of right now I'm of the opinion that the NIL needs to be capped. Idk what that cap should be, it could be $1M or maybe $5M but if it's capped then teams will be on an even playing field again and there'll be less poaching because if someone's getting the max cap at one school then another university can't offer that student more.
The difference between college football and the NFL is that the NFL has a CBA with the labor, tampering rules, enforceable contracts, a salary cap, and a commissioner to enforce these rules. College football is suffering because it has none of these.
Exactly right! The super conference needs a CBA to protect both entities. The players need to get paid and the institutions need expanded scholarship limits due to the more intense schedules they will be facing. I’m really looking forward to it.
Pac 12network was a horrible idea pac 12.
It wasn’t a horrible idea to have a network. It was a horrible idea to not partner with another major network.
@@WolverineIncognitoBut that was the idea
Not at the time. Peoples viewing habits have changed.
It’s really disappointing to see the lives and careers of thousands of student athletes, brushed aside by a handful of businessesmen in favor of money that the players will never see.
or the same programs could have cancelled most Olympic sports and those athlete wouldn't have anywhere to play....
2 words, Poor Leadership!
you are crazy if you think that a minor league of the NFL would produce the revenue that college teams bring in, and then there is the issue that 95% of kids playing college football would never be involved in a minor league football program...
How does the Pac-12 reconstitute when they don't have a media deal?
Shouldn't be about money. Get a little check for food, etc but asking millions to play college ball is wack. Losing its nostalgia.
Worse, football is milking on the public.
I think the travel issue for non revenue sports should be a simple fix. No one, including the fans and media partners give a hoot how many times PSU plays USC in say baseball, softball, tennis, etc,, why because no one watches those sports except for a small number of die hards. I played D2 baseball and love the game, but really no one cares if Ohio State plays USC in baseball anywhere near as close as they do in football. So why not set up the B10 baseball schedule in pods where they all play themselves, limit the travel and then have a conference tourney at the end. Maybe USC travels east once a year and it rotates between what schools they will play, but it is 100% not needed that Washington go to Rutgers every year to play a non revenue sport.
Besides they already travel a lot. USC is playing a 3 game series in Auburn this year, thats over 2100 miles to play 3 games. Yale of all schools traveled to Seattle in women's soccer this year to play 1 game, Houston did as well. Oregon's softball team traveled to Puerto Vallarta Mexico for a series against several other schools including Wisconsin and MD. That's over 2300 miles from Eugene and 2200+ from Madison and 2600 miles from College Park,, no problem, they also went to playoff series in Arkansas, the year before they traveled over 2000 miles to Waco as well as nearly 3000 miles for a series in Chapel Hill, NC, ie they already travel a ton by choice,
A free ride to college plus all the extra goodies they get for being in a sport is more than enough
Absolutely, the benefits of being a d1 football player have always been huge . They are making it the nfl basically slowly. Zero regulatory body watching out for the good of the sport , they will ruin it
College football is finally ruined. The start of the BCS era 25 years ago was the beginning of the end. It all started with the bowl system being watered down. Now traditional conferences are being disassembled and sold for parts. College football is a mere shell of its former self.
I think the BCS era was the pinnacle. In particular 2007.
@@jimsomerville3924you're wrong. A fair system would have given a 13-0 team a chance to win the national title in 2007.
Welcome to a real conference folks… Just dont be like Nebraska and lose just about every game for the last seven years after joining the Big Ten. Its a tough conference.
Since 2000, Oregon has gone 11-6 against Big 10 teams, and they've taken 6 of the last 10 since 2010.
@@edchester3150 which teams? And why did you randomly choose 23 years for a comparison cutoff?
@@edchester3150 oh… thats why…. Because Oregon has only won 41% of the time overall.
NCAA Football : Conference Series Records : Oregon vs. Big Ten
Oregon vs. Big Ten overall record
ALL GAMES: (20-28) 41.7% : AVERAGE SCORE: 22.1 - - 23.6
BOWL GAMES: (4-5) 44.4% : AVERAGE SCORE: 22.0 - - 26.4
Oregon is a much different program than in the past. It’s night and day from the mid 90’s and earlier on investment, recruiting, facilities, media coverage, and results. That said, the Big 10 will be a step up. Not many “gimmies” in that conference.
Because you hand out bags of money to get players now and have been like blama way before everyone looked the other way. Without Uncle Filbert's money, you would still be on the outside looking in!! Fact. Plus, your admission standards are weak for football, like almost the whole SUC. It will be fun to see them play the big boys week in and week out in November! It's going to be fun!! Go B1G or go home!
Div 1 Football has been the "minors" for the NFL for a long time.. (esp the upper tier)... time to get on with it./ Brock has to look in the mirror a bit.. he has argued against any NIL and such in the past.. the "they're getting a scholarship, let'em eat cake".. has been the mantra.. maybe calling college games has changed that..
Did we ever find out why Petersen left?
He was one of the top coaches, and then he just stepped away?
I thought it was because of the changes that were happening in college football and he didn’t think he was good for the young men.
Same reason why a lot of people at the top of their professions check out. He was financially secure for the rest of his life and burnt out from a very demanding career. I did the same thing four years ago and it was the best move I ever did.
@@ulicalyou’re exactly right. He had made at least 2 -4 million for the last 10 years, didn’t need any more money, and wanted to pay attention to his family. He might also have a really sick child at home. He just didn’t have the drive to do all he needed to do to be a top flight big time college head coach.
He said he just wasn't having fun at the Rose Bowl. Thankfully he knew enough about himself to retire. At the time, Lake seemed like sure thing. Oops.
@@curtismartin2866 I never thought Jimmy would be good, as he didn’t pay his dues, and he also seemed really cocky to me. He was a good recruiter and a decent position coach, and UW kept promoting him to
keep his recruiting chops in house. Now, he ended up being a brilliant placeholder, which gave Deboer a chance to prove himself as an FBS HC, and be a top notch candidate.
let me rephrase a previous post: I would love to see Chris Peterson lead Boise State's recruiting. Coach Peterson could find players who were OKG (our kind of guy). That, more than anything, is what made Boise State so special when he coached them. I am a BSU football fan in Indiana who is willing to travel to see them play; BSU has a national following, and that is due to Chris Peterson.
Time to end the free ride that the NFL is getting from colleges creating and paying for their farm system. Baseball and basketball do it quite well.
He knows all about leaving….
Title IX killed the Pac-12
Hipsters on the coast demanding that everyone change...and then realized they are the ones lagging behind 😒 and the midwest and the south are the ones on the cutting edge. I guess you'll have to watch cal vs Tulane on your iPhone...while the rest of us proceed forward 😀
Warning, Warning. Nut Job Alert...
As someone who lives in Wisconsin, I can 100% tell you Washington is no longer UW if they join. There is only one UW in the Big Ten.
Ha!!
Washington has never lost to Wisconsin in football, has better all time record, more conference championships, national titles, bowl games played in, sorry cheesehead, you're Tito Jackson, not Michael. lol
lol
I know it's hard to accept but......ya, there's now two! The only thing that's different is, the new u.w. is so much better ! Just look at the record ! You can't argue facts buddy
The team that doesn’t back out of scheduled games gets to use UW, therefore it’s the UW Huskies. The Badgers wimped out and canceled their series with UW in 2017, which was previously booked back in 2009. Woof!
Woke is broke!
This has nothing to do with “woke”, the Pac12 was just an incompetent organization. Also the Barbie movie just crossed $1B in sales lmao
Warning, Warning. Nut Job Alert...
Woke is for Losers..lol
@@tjtribble.
Well the COVID sports shutdown was woke.
The West Coast is full of libtards running the failing cities, I'm sure many of the presidents and chancellors are liberal, woke failures like the mayor's and governors.
They are liberal universities.
Liberal professors.
Tv executives and big mony ruined college Football now three super pack conferences. The teams that are in three super pac conferences should be kicked out of Ncca and lose amateur status form a semi-pro league . God Bless one and all be safe you all.
I don’t think the NCAA could afford the loss of all of these high visibility teams. If anything, these super conferences might decide that they don’t want to share their earnings with the NCAA which had become an obstacle.
Totally agree 100%
😂 yeah college football is ruined… thats why each team makes $70 million per year… cus nobody likes college football anymore!!!😂😂😂😂 right!!!