This Mini-DTX Motherboard is NO JOKE!
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
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When did Micro-center hire Micheal the Wraith from Stargate Atlantis?
🤣🤣
I was thinking of Geralt of Rivia
@@goforbrokefilmstudios been about a year since I've watched Atlantis.
I was trying to figure out what anime i saw him in.
great reference
This board fits in the NCase M1, for anyone interested.
My guy
Lol this guy^
The most recent version only though, V7 I think.
Which would be great if you could buy the M1 anywhere!
@@beesknees2446 V6 is the latest and it does fit in that for sure. I don't know about the rest
The chipset does have active cooling
Exactly
I don't think he realized it is just below the vrm.
Probably the 1st question anyone familiar with X570 would ask "where's the chipset?".
Bad review, he lazy¿...
tsk tsk @jayztwocents
I absolutely love DTX motherboards!
Your system is (in most cases) just as compact as ITX but you can have more stuff on your motherboard.
I really like how Linus and Jay have a good relationship. He is rocking ltt merch. That’s a very sweet gesture
most of the tech community supports each other like that, its wholesome
thats what i like about this community
Aditya Saraf except the verge lol
The Verge isn't a tech youtuber, it's a media outlet that happens to cover tech. They themselves state "[we] cover the intersection of technology, science, art, and culture"
I believe Paul over at Paul’s hardware mentioned that the stickers are thermally conductive and do not need to be removed to add a heat sink.
Any extra thermal interface adds to the thermal resistance. One thing is conductive, other is heat transfer between interfaces. Difference can be small, but there is definitely one.
Also, in some cases, the sticker is just that, a plain sticker, nothing fancy like that from Samsung. In that case the sticker will add resistance.
@@siedenburg1 Samsung has copper pad sticker on bottom, top one is just regular sticker that should be removed. Also comes of very nicely (good kind of glue) and doesn't have warranty void text, it's only on the bottom sticker.
@@onboard3 ok, I tought that Samsung had copper on both sides.
But some other others didn't even have copper in one side and also are hard to remove.
Btw, I use a Samsung ssd but without an additional heatsink. It's right in my airflow and temps never got higher than 35°C.
I'm pretty sure Steve at Gamers Nexus said the same thing, you shouldn't be removing the stickers.
07:50 Stickers on M.2 drives are usually thermally conductive. No need to rip them off, they are designed for it!
Doesnt matter more layers means worse heat transfer...the question is more is it worth to void the warranty.
No need to remove stickers from SSDs, almost every manufacturer uses thermally conductive stickers on their chips.
I was looking for this comment so I didn't have to make a new one :)
Yep you are right.
Every layer more means worse heat transfer thats just simple physics.....but the question is, is it worth to void the warranty.
@@12Burton24 The warmer the better for the flash. Till a high temperature, of course at some point it will stop working but >100°C is fine for flash, however the controller does not like it.
@@happygimp0 Well the problem is you have a controller and the memory modules and they dont like the same XD
Slaying monsters pretty slow these days? Geralt took a job at Micro Center lol.
He gets to play more gwent with the customers
@@gammakay521 he has all the spy cards hidden
😂😂👍
More boards need the Q code on the back, that's really cool
I imagine it could also be rooted in they definitely don't want nanna to clear her cmos while rooting around back to plug in her magnification device or charging her rabbit.
The Q-code readout - Personally I prefer it on the board somewhere near RAM so little in the way. On ITX and the likes, that will be a lot lighter, and I'm less likely to have it slammed against a wall or have a side window and clear view so rear makes sense.
At the end of the day, my reservoir got in the way of the view, so I desoldered the segments, extended the wires and attached them on the _inside_ of a PCIE slot shield - pointing towards the front of the case. One of them got a slight burnt sierra note to its white plastic housing from the hot air desoldering, but no biggie - still works fine.
“If you’re wondering why I’m wet, it’s because I’m really excited about this board” Jay will always be the best, shout out for the help in building my new PC lol
I came looking for this😂
Jay, it does have active cooler on the chipset.
Wherevis it, on the back?
Yes the chipset sits under the shroud close to the VRMs.
@@_BangDroid_ it's below the lower fan on the rear IO shroud. buildzoid show it on his PCB breakdown.
ruclips.net/video/5IS2XEl3qXo/видео.html
Paul's Hardware did a tear down also. ruclips.net/video/H-ztkBa4Y4g/видео.html
Jay, you should do a video where you "design" your dream motherboard. Draw or 3D model showing what features you would have and where they would be located. I think it would be a fun video to watch you talk through what specs would be on your dream motherboard and why they are important to you
@2:51 I am sure its easy to miss a feature when you are tasked with knowing so much about so many different products but one feature of this board is the active cooling which handles both chipset and vrm.
Oh I just realized that is an AM4 board, AMD is actually getting cool products
I'm considering them seriously, for the first time ever, if I do this build. I haven't built anything for 10 years. Been catching up with things
@Advocatus Diaboli but using one unnamed game to prove your point is not backing up your argument. Intel (probably) will always outperform AMD in games, but a premium cost. Those who need the extra fps will always go Intel as will streamers
@@weavercs4014 you must have mechanical eyes to spot a 4 fps difference in 200fps area
@@fliqpythekiller9950 Don't care whose socket it is, that board is NEVER worth $430. $250 would be more reasonable, £300 at the very most.
I think it’s funny how the sales person in the micro center ad was the same guy that helped my pick PC parts a couple of days ago.
I keep hearing that this winter is going to be a hell of one. Hell this is the first time it snowed 2 weeks before Thanksgiving in Cleveland OH, and had inches that last for a week and a half. Not once in my 42 years can I remember it snowing this hard this early in the year. After the storm passed we had 8+ inches in the snow belt.
There is active Chipset cooling on this board. Like other small form factor X570 board, they moved the chipset to right behind the I/O board. The fan in the "VRM Cooler" is actually cooling the X570 Chipset.
Taking the stickers off your M.2 SSDs isn’t necessary since a lot of the big companies like Samsung, Kingston, and others have said specifically that the stickers they use are also made to transfer heat for those who install their M.2 SSDs under a cover that has a built in heat sink. Just put the thermal pad right on top of the sticker, and right under the heat sink cover. They say it’s actually better because it helps the heat dissipate evenly off the SSD cause the sticker covers the entire M.2 stick.
Worth mentioning: I doubt the expansion card will interfere with coolers any more than other m-ITX boards because the socket has been moved north on the board slightly due to no VRM north of the socket.
No more then any of them that had issues to begin with. Flawed design is flawed. Not on Asus to worry about half assed cooler designers lol
I'd love to see more DTX boards. It'd be really useful in some custom builds I want to do
1:14 jay looking slim, keep it up with the exercise mate, looking great!
The Impact is $200 more than it probably should be, but regardless it’s probably one of the greatest motherboards to bless enthusiasts - it’s the perfect motherboard for SFF at a time when Ryzen is selling like crazy and ASUS knows it
There's always the Strix, which even then is still pricey. I have no regrets getting this board though, and would recommend especially if you're going for a 3900X or 3950X.
Why does the guy from Microcenter look like Ghostmane with the face of Pouya.
OMG if never heard a more perfect description of a person in my life lol
I like micro center's recent push into advertising.
You don't need to take the stickers off your M.2 as they are thermally conductive, at least they are for all of the major manufacturers.
Just in case noone has mentioned it yet: The ASUS ROG Strix X570-I Gaming is a Mini-ITX-Board which has the same amount and type of VRM's and MOSFET's as this board, stuck into a smaller board. It also cosies both M.2-slots onto the board without the need of an additional board. AND It has 3-Zone-RGB AND costs less... The only thing it doesn't have compared to this board is the extra DAC (ESS ES9023P) which gives you the optical out on the back.
talking about noise and interference on the front jack while there's a buzzing sound in the video. irony
The buzzing is the power transformer thats sitting between the two electrical panels in the back. They buzz when the electrical system is under load.Yay.
It should be possible to filter it out
@@AndreasBrekken if you bang two pots together and yell loud enough you can just barely hear the sound of the buzzing transformer, problem solved!
@@420f37 Great idea!
The chipset is cooled by the same fans the VRM is cooled by. my biggest concern with this particular motherboard is is if you have a case with a pretty low clearance between the bottom of the motherboard and let's say the power supply shroud, you're not going to be able to get those cables bent sharp enough coming out of the 90 degree corners under the video card. So that's another thing to think of.
Jayz, for static in the audio, a fancy trick is to ask an electrician working with high voltage cables for one of the static isolation strips that are common in high voltage cables. They always pull out some when they're stripping the cables to connect to a feed.
This board fits my Cougar QBX if anyone is interested by such a build.
At first, I was a bit afraid of the motherboard risers not being actual risers and interacting poorly with the backplate as a result but the mobo+backplate and the screws+risers sandwich themselves in a pretty nice and solid way, with virtually no deviation from a backplateless mobo.
The humming sound. OhMyGoodness. Lol
This MB rocks in the Ncase M1.
Silverstone SG13 is a case that supports this and watercooling while being as small as possible.
7:34 Jay comments here as if he is not aware that flash likes to be warm during operation, and, if you’re going to use the heat spreader, you’ll need to cut part of the thermal pad away where flash is located and only keep it on the controller of the drive, which is what actually affected by thermals
I've always viewed "dtx" as a filter option when shopping but never knew what it was. Now that I do, why doesn't every manufacturer make these boards? Its genius. You don't even have to go all out as this board is and it would still make sense just to have more pcb and more components where the graphics card would hang over anyway.
Paul (from Paul's hardware) told us that we don't have to worry about removing the stickers on the m.2 SSD because they are thermally conductive (he said he asked it to every major manufacturers)
*In his video : "When did you build your first PC? - Probing Paul #42
" AT 8 min 32 : Do you need to remove the sticker from your M.2 drive before putting a heatsink on?*
I removed one recently (I would not have done it if I knew. They were looking exactly the same now unfortunately), but I noticed that the sticker was "special". And the motherboard'manual (which has thermal pads for the m.2 ssd) does not mention this aspect for their installation.
*Maybe tests and a final answer (from your personnal experience AND the manufacturers) would be nice :)*
I'd say the better indicator than the power supply is, if your case uses a PCIE riser, it's not going to work.
"This is a mini-DTX. I'm not sure what D stands for."
D is for DIGRESS!
No
Co rré yes
@@moofie3 i said no
YOU DONT NEED TO TAKE THE STICKERS OFF YOUR M.2 FOR THE COOLING PADS!!! THE STICKERS ARE MADE TO BE THERMALLY CONDUCTIVE. PAUL TALKED ABOUT IT IN HIS VIDEO
The stickers on an ssd are usually heat conductive so you should be fine not removing them.
Looking forward to watching the build
Speaking of SFX - use one for that case. Steve at GN did airflow tests using the H200i (same dif) and found that temperatures were significantly better using an SFX. If that’s possible for you given your power requirements it seems like a win win.
I have this motherboard and an Obsidian 1000D and this board shockingly fit, did require a bit more force than I'm comfortable with when dealing with expensive PC hardware but it fit none the less. Now if only it were November 25th and I could buy a 3950x to match all the other fun components in the system.
Apparently cooling the ssd microcontroller is not a good idea. It needs to be above 50C to run properly. Cooling the Actual Flash IC modules is fine.
the 12v analog RGB header is for the amd RGB cooler, nobody runs 12v anymore... the 5v argb digital is near the bottom and easy to hide, it kinda looks like the chipset is beside the vrm.
I'm so glad I have a microcenter just down the road from my dorm. It's so convenient.
Ditto
your wallet must be very empty as well then ;)
my impulse shopping would literally bankrupt me
@@mathewchoe1717 Funny you should mention that. I've started to use them in combination with craigslist and FB marketplace to build PCs and sell them.
@@Capzielios College has forcefully kept me too busy to bankrupt myself whilst putting me into debt. :')
Mini-DTX is my favorite form factor, so nice to see it on the channel!
It’s not a play on words, that’s a SO-DIMM slot the expansion card plugs into 🤫
Also, just because you’re discussing them, ITX != mini ITX. Form factors a bit of a pain.
I promise I’m not nitpicking. Love that you got this motherboard and plan on using it. I look forward to the build!
Nice, I recognize that Microcenter. Both Ryan and Shane are really knowledgeable, and are a pleasure to talk with.
The X570 Chip on this board does have active cooling, it's under the same heat sink as the VRMs.
mDTX only makes sense to me if they where to move the PCIEX16 slot down one place and add in a PCIEX4 slot in its place.
A lot of people don't take the sticker off their m.2s because it usually say's warranty voided if label is removed
This is really cool, I don't really need more than 2 sticks of ram and 1 GPU and this seems like a great option if I got a PCIE slot extender cable.
from what I can tell, the Ghost S1 can technically fit the Impact if you use a longer PCIe riser cable and add a medium top hat.
0:23 I guess geralt the witcher is preparing for cyberpunk 2077
Aye that's the Columbus Micro Center. That silver haired gentleman helped me pick out parts for my first pc.
Rawr!! I want a microcenter where I live!!
The other cool thing about DTX is that two 16x PCie slots is doable too... I know I'd love the extra slot for a mini build...
I kinda like the dtx form factor. I see plenty of opportunity for the additional space, especially on midrange boards.
What what I can tell from their website and manual, it only has 1 USB 2.0 header along the bottom, not 2. You’ll need something like the awesome NZXT internal USB 2 hub to get more port for all your fan controllers and whatnot.
Didnt you say in the past that the stickers on m.2 are thermally conductive? But now you say to take it off ??? EXPLAIN
The fact that they are thermally conductive is a safety measure. It is more optimal to take them off, but in the event that you do not, you will still have safe thermals for your M.2. Although, if it is PCI express gen4 like in this vid, you might thermal throttle your M.2 in extreme cases.
He is talking about the stickers for those thermal pads. He jumbles up words easily.
VolcanoPenguin only Samsung’s stickers are copper that can help by about 10 degrees Celsius. You should take it off still if you use a heat sync though. Other brands like WD doesn’t do anything other than void warranty if they are removed.
@Cerus98 it can if you don"t know your rights and don"t fight them over it
He's talking about the thermalpad stickers
I'm excited to see this build. I'm current building in the same case with the same motherboard. I'm interested to see what you do your cooling.
The "it's very robust, it's very durable" at the end catched me so hard, was laughing out loud xD
Hmm... he mentioned there is no active cooling for the chip set on the ITX board. Looking at it I don't see the chip set anywhere on the board. I'm pretty sure they have the chip set either vertically or flush mounted under the VRM heat sink and fan as I see no other place on the board... If that's the case I would assume the fans would be pulling double duty to actively cool the chip set as well.
Get a LIAN LI TU150. It even has a front panel USB C header and you can fit a be quiet Dark Rock Pro 4 in it. Not sure if the M.2 card would interfere or not but it's advertised with this specific motherboard in mind and it's a tiny ITX case.
I REALLY wish Micro Center would open more stores. They approved me for their store card, so I drove 4 hours one way to get to the nearest store. We really need one in Tennessee.
Sadly the Elves are a dying race.
Introducing the new Raspberry Pi: Pro Gamer Edition
More like raspberry di: Get rekt edition
@@andy56duky you are God. i Love this comment holy f***
Paul said there is no need to remove the stickers from your M.2 because the manufacturers make the stickers so that they will transfer the heat through them. You said they need to be removed. Which is it?
If you could put a M.2 in place of that soundcard then that is a smart move, because you may want to use USB DAC's or have audio pass through the GPU.
I wonder how a motherboard will turn out if they designed it more modular with Sodimm.2 expantion cards, with seperate:
on board audio.
Wifi.
These ports can have one or two and use the Sodimm.2 slots as expansions:
Internal USB 2/3.
Sata.
Basically strip back all the features that can be seperated to Sodimm.2 and save space but still have the utility with the Sodimm expansion.
7:36 Paul said the stickers transfer heat so you don't have to remove the sticker.
Jay used to say that.
You said about removing the stickers on the m.2, yet before you, and just aboiut every other reviewer has said that the manufacturers use thermal stickers so the heat is transfered, so no need to remove those stickers.
Which are you now saying is correct please?
Looks good. I might use this one when I do my water cooled coffee table build.
At 7:37 you say to take off the stickers on M.2 drives, but I heard recently that most manufacturers make stickers out of a material that is heat conductive. It can't hurt but it's not necessary.
great and very informative piece. i was wondering about these and this answered my questions
That board should fit nicely in a CoolerMaster Elite 130 case...might have to pick up one of those boards!
"I'm not sure what the D stands for." -JayzTwoCents :P
deez nuts...
Got em!!!
2:50 The X570 Chipset is active cooling, it is on back of the i/o shield one of fans is cooling the chipset
Totally want to see another tiny build with this board; as small as it gets with reasonable noise and thermals. Love to see 3950x in Lian Li TU150. I'm guessing the thermals are as good as the 3900.
It's "extended down there".. There's your D.
Fits in the Lian Li TU150, which has an SFX PSU. (Note it;s only about 20% smaller than the H210 though)
mini DTX usualy used to have two PCIe slots. I think they could have done the M.2 on the bottom and keep this capability. That's what gave it the big advantage compared to ITX for me.
Built with this in Lian Li TU150, fits perfectly.
The ROG Impact, a Lian Li TU150 case, a de-lidded 3950X, 2X8GB's DDR4 3800 8Pack, 1TB Corsair MP600, and all on water....
I can't wait for the 25th. 🤤
Someone should tell MicroCenter that we want to purchase online from them.
It wouldn't fit their business model
You can, just change the store at the top to Web Store. Granted not everything will be available unlike in store
DTX can theoretically accommodate 2 pcie slots. They just put a sound card in its place since they expect it to be blocked off by a gpu.
I guess I'm wondering why high end Micro ATX boards aren't coming back when SLI / Crossfire is useless for gaming but the chipset pci-e 4.0x4 slot would be useful for Thunderbolt or NVME drives. This board could have been standard Micro ATX instead of wondering if your non standard DTX will fit in an ITX case.
Edit: I think we should go to Micro ATX, DTX, and mITX. Full size ATX boards make towers rather large even if you buy a compact mid tower, and I don't really see the need for that unless it's a custom water loop which most people won't do.
MATX boards were generally just too cut down, and so people who had no intent on crossfire still bought ATX boards simply for the other features or OI they had and therefore motherboard makers consider MATX a dead form factor, because the sales were too low to justify the cost of designing and making them.
Active chipset cooling really isn't a draw back at all. Considering the basic aluminium heatsinks used on older+power hungry southbridge/PCH.
wow, for once he didn't mention how he got his ifixit kit from his wife for father's day.
Does the be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 fit on this? Also...quit playing in the rain, we need that up north!
I have a concern about this item.
I was excited to consider a Mini-DTX, but now I see a big issue: I do not see a spare PCI-E slot.
It looks they gave up the extra slot purely for a Riser card for the M2 NVME SSD. I need that slot to fit a dedicated soundcard.
This is a problem, as the ASUS STRIX m-ITX board already has an M2 slot.
So my question is,
With this motherboard, would it be possible to fit all of the below items?
1x M2 NVME SSD
1x Graphics Card
1x Sound Card
This fits fine into the Shift X but you need to get creative to "fix" it in place as the mounting holes don't line with the posts. but it does fit fine.
sugo sg-05 from silverstone uses sfx psus and supports mini-dtx mobos, one of the best cheap compact cases on the market imho...you can even fit a 120mm aio inside with very little modding
not disagreeing with your explanation of the dimm.2 it was very good. I am just throwing this out there the stickers on NVME drives are actually thermally conductive and the thing on them that you should be concerned about thermally wise is the controller, not the nand.
EDIT: that is with PCI-E 3.0 at least I know 4.0 has heatsinks to help with thermals maybe that is another video for you Jay.
So, question. Can you take that sound card out and use it for a mini PCI-e drive?
Love The LTT hoodie looks sharp buddy
That microcenter guy in the ad is super awesome. He's prolly the best guy in the Columbus team
So... can you use the Ncase M1 instead of the H210? It fits mini dtx boards, large pcie cards, sfx psus, and decent sized air coolers or a 240mm aio, plus it'd be a much more interesting choice than the H210.
You don't take the stickers off the m.2, Steve recently answered that question, stating that stickers are designed to thermally transfer the heat.
The M.2 base SODIMM right beside the Graphics card is not optimal . E.g. the back plate of my 2080 gets >70C at least and heats up the M.2 drives, even with plenty of airflow . Switched back to ATX ...
Favorite part of the video, Jay in a hailstorm 🤣👍
Should have had you here when we had tennis balls fall from the sky 😜