Water Cooling is DEAD. Meet the THERMOSIPHON!
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Linus I just finished my semester of thermodynamics and was trying to forget the pain and misery.
Ahh don't worry, you'll love thermo when you get into Heat Transfer c:
I just studied heat transfer in fins this semester. Had some PTSD watching this video
my brother is in college for engineering, maybe you two can smash this thing to pieces
Wait till you take transport phenomena.....heat and mass transfer with fluid mechanics.....
Once you are done with thermo, you literally see it everywhere and your life will never know peace.
You don't have to worry about CPU temps if your cpu socket is no longer attached to your motherboard
Not sure how removing the cpu from the motherboard eliminates the need to cool the cpu. The cpu will still oveheat without a way to disperse the heat created under load. Removing the cpu from the motherboard would open up new ways of cooling though.
@Klaa2 yep
@@progenji6407 something go over my head?
@@progenji6407 Alright then, Well I'm just going to leave this here for ppl to laugh at. Agreed it's massive. Pretty sure the case wont close.
Oh, snap!
i'll see myself out...
Anything "first quarter of 2020" seems optimistic in retrospect
Yeah my pre-order is rotting somewhere :(
@@unkid4n Well, to my country they will ship by sea so it will arrive at best by the end of this year and more likely it will be here by the end of January 2021... without considering the delay at customs that are a highly inefficient these days.
damn you right
@@unkid4n According to a mid-October update the first pallet of coolers is on the way to their facility from the manufacturer, looks like November or December for pre-orders to get delivered
@@obedulloa6219 Agreed, I think we should fire their marketting team and hire more blue collar workers to punch these out.
never thought i'd see the day when watercooling was the budget option
@ALIENfx You beat me to it, I came here to say exactly that.
@@aulusflavius9635 the average person won't get a custom cooling system tho
@@nnightkingj but... i am pretty average... lol Yeah, you are probably right.
@@aulusflavius9635 Well you have a custom loop... you ain't average anymore :D
@@BembelinCz I even have TECs that were on GPUs with a water loop and the CPU had a vapor phase change head on it. So yeah, a custom water loop is pretty normal. :p
I'm just imagining this thing doing a back flip with a chunk of my mobo attached after putting my case right-side up.
It looks to have a back plate and a mounting module that detaches from the actual cooler. If it falls, don't worry about your motherboard. It's taking the whole CPU and socket with it. Lmao.
yes
*front flip
At least you had better temps than a liquid cooler right?
Dropped my case (whoops) when packing up for a lan party, luckily I had the GPU removed. But man, with such a device, it would have damaged a lot.
"it doesn't look like much right now"
My first thought was it looks like *too* much already
Hahaha !
@@jessejames5033 have completed the Price Verification section of the claim form (if the item is reduced by more than $200 and you do not have the original catalogue, advertisement or promotional flyer (with a printed visible date) from the store of purchase showing the new reduced price);
@@stevethea5250 say what ? can you talk like a normal person ?
Sous Vide Everything flashbacks intensify
I think i will buy the Arctic Freezer 50,it's smaller,cheaper and very close in performance.
The phase changes from liquid to gas result in much higher heat transfer. Thats why HVAC uses refrigerants with low boiling points. Thats why the thermosiphon works better than liquid coolers
Doubtful that a kid has ever said "dope as all hell"
That said, it is dope as all hell.
And dope as Heaven, Paradise and so maanyyyyyy things
That thing looks like it will crack my motherboard
the motherboard is not what is supporting the load of the heat-sink, it just looks that way
?
Ace so what is holding it?
@@nestormoctezuma4695 the case
I think sponsor users can't just not comment.
Linus : We aren't ready to declare this cooler as the best cooler...
Also Linus : Water cooling is *DEAD*
LMFAO clickbaiting at it's best!
Remember when Linus went through this channel and went one by one trying to kill the clickbait in a stream, and then failed miserably?
Just like how he praised ryzen to no end and then declared he had lost faith in amd until ryzen 3rd gen lol
@@Narcostic That's the clickbait that got me in here. I'm determined not to turn my future PCs into aquariums. The headline gave me hope.
clickbait title lol
"Aight I need this"
*Sits in 2,5 x 3 room with no air-circulation*
bingo, exactly!
I want one just so I can heat my apartment with it. Seriously, the fuckers in charge of the central heat system fucking capped the heat at just barely comfortable *if* you have multiple layers of clothes on. Obviously this is in the winter when temps drop.
I really feel that it's time to redesign the way that GPUs, CPUs, and more are housed in cases and mobos, since the design hasn't fundamentally changed in decades. We've got GPUs where you can't easily pick custom cooling solutions without card disassembly, CPUs where huge coolers hang off the sides of them, stressing the mobo, PSUs with cumbersome wiring situations, and now RGB with even crazier cable management. If you rethought the whole situation from the ground up to expect large coolers on both GPUs and CPUs, RGB, better PSU connections, and more, that you'd end up with something very different from the inconveniences we're settling with now. In the custom PC market today, everyone's just making faster horses.
The problems with that kind of generational change in technology (a total tech redesign in your idea) is the same with all others.
Your idea seems to be a total redesign of the entire “tower”, to be re-optimized for products bought/used mostly by gamers.
So, why would the private & public business sectors, which are major investors in the current design ecosystem, invest into a brand new & more game-specialized computer ecosystem?
It’s hard for me to believe, that without them investing billions into buying that new design for entire corporations and government departments. That it would ever become more than the niche product that most current gaming-optimized parts are, and leaving the prices out of reach for the average budget gamer as well.
Maybe they shouldn't be mounted directly on the mobo and shouldn't be kept in a little hot box crowded together ... a traditional case is a kind of silly, old fashioned idea that you have to put all this stuff in a neat little box for consumers. Look at how crypto miners and deep learning folks build their powerful systems ... it's all open racks with GPUs on risers and components spaced out with cables ... no boxes that turn into destructive heaters and no hanging parts in mobo sockets to make them sag, wear out and break as they get hot and stressed over time
@@GameDevNerd in your idea, what happens to the dust/skin/hair/etc… filtration?
I have a customized open test bench at work, and that thing has to inspected and cleaned 2x/month because of our sector’s testing standards demand it. That’s also with the system in the closest specialist mechanics could get to a clean room, which is just a smaller copy of our paint booth.
I couldn’t imagine an open system like that in most people’s houses. Especially, after watching the videos of channels like these roasting their worker’s setups. If professionals can’t keep their stuff perfectly clean, how can PC makers expect the average person too.
I would honestly love it if we moved to a totally “zero moving parts” design for home computers, and adding custom coolers(fans/liquid/etc..) would be the domain of the specialist market.
In that scenario businesses could offload/connect individual computer cooling needs into a centralized system. That kind of system could reduce energy needs and considerably lower the cooling costs in the average cubicle farm.
@@cjwrench07 2 times a month is a bid deal to you? It takes five minutes to fully disassemble it lol
Just how filthy is your room/office/workstation anyway that your so worried about it? hit with a duster can once a week and it's taken care of
" I couldn’t imagine an open system like that in most people’s houses."
Good Lord how melodramatic can you be? It's an open pc case not parts hanging from the ceiling. The only real concern is damage and a skeletal frame would protect it just fine
@@cjwrench07 well, I have a wall mounted, open air PC, I dust it whenever I dust the room. Not really a big issue. Don't need as many fans.
"It should last around ten lifetimes."
Once the investors hear this, they'll reduce the lifespan by 99%
the CPU manufacturers already do the job for them. The cooler might last forever but the supported sockets will be outdated in 5 years tops.
@@megapro125 you mean Intel lol
@@megapro125 then they will sell adaptets at 70% the price of the entire cooler like that company i cannot remember thename... the one that sell overpriced products... oh i remember.. Apple
@@jesus2621 noctua sends you the adapters for free
@@tj_2701 we found the amd fan boy that doesn't realise both intel amd only care about your money
This technology was used long time ago in old soviets era, refrigerators .... and is really reliable ( lasts for decades )
Stalin playing a long game to ensure world wide socialism I tell you hwat, bobbeh.
After the apocalypse, only soviet era hardware will remain functional. 😂 No complex electronics to fry and simple, but reliable construction.
@@bgtubber People are still building guitar amplifiers using soviet valves, so some guitar players will still be able to djent after the apocalypse.
@Evil Robin Oh comeon... It is how our refrigerators work, and ground heating of our homes work. The fluid boils at low temperature, the shift from liquid to gas pulls energy out of it's surroundings (endotherm reaction), in this case heat from the cpu. The vapor goes somewhere else, and liquifies back, releasing energy in the shift (exotherm). The whole thing is lead around in a loop.
Growing up in eastern europe, I remember at one point our fridge stopped working. We ended up buying a 2nd hand "Zil" - some russian fridge that someone who had it for decades (it was the rounded edge kind) had for sale - that someone left the country and came to the US. Got 2 guys to help move it, brought it home, plugged it in, ran ok, only thing was, being that it wasn't an iceless freezer, the freezer potion froze over causing 1+ inch thick ice in 1-2 days... that wasn't normal. We asked the previous owner (via a very expensive phone call) if that was the case when they had it and they said no... long story short, we found out the thing had an external 220v to 110v transformer box that the movers forgot to pick up. It ran for about 3 months at 220v, basically overclocked... didn't skip a beat.
I just discovered your channel and I have to say it is pure copper! Thank you so much for this high-quality content.
The production value of LTT stuff is insane these days. Truly impressive!
Me: Gets water cooling in my new PC
Linus: Water Cooling is DEAD
FeelsOutdatedMan
Clickbait
it isn't when you take noise into it.
Depends on the concept of water cooling. I'd use water cooling in my production machine (Videos and 3D Rendering) but with an huge radiator and a buffer of a few liters. Not those little kits (like the shown one) which just 'move' the fan away of the cpu ...
It's like you didn't even watch the video
We have gone from huge ass computers with small coolers to small ass computers with Huge coolers.
*WTF is going on!*
Parts get smaller and they get more hotter and denser and even more hotter lol it’s like cramping 8k in a 1inch square imagine the fucking heat dumbass fools gonna need better cooling before long liquid nitrogen or we get to the point a cpu puts out 1500watts of heat ether way lol
@@jonathanoxlade4252 Well not really, you have a ton of chips without any cooling nowadays. high performance stuff sucks in power only because they shove as much power into it as they can. node shrinkage has continually allowed things to compute at lower power usage. computers nowadays might use 2 or 3 times more power, but they're millions or billions of times more powerful
I can literally see a future with coolers as big as a room since quantum computers being developed today requires almost a cabinet size cooler
@@Jordan-J-Bird ikr
Damn it i just bought a d15s
Haha, saw that Thermodynamics image at 1:53 and immediately recognized the book that image was taken from and remembered my Thermodynamics engineering lessons with that same book here in Panama 😍. Nice ride through memory lane, I really remember seeing that same image as it was yesterday. Thanks Linus 🤓
Just want to say: Yunus Çengel is a pro at writing textbooks, his 'Heat and Mass Transfer' encouraged me to go deep into cooling of electronic equipment as a research topic
How are the temps when the fans are swapped with Noctua fans?
Asking for a friend.
~1 or 2C worse
@@LinusTechTips really 🤔 that's odd
@@LinusTechTips how about noctua 3000rpm ippc? I mean I understand but still
EDIT: How about some 38mm thick Delta server fans? Like ones that output 255cfm
@@supernoodles908 Noctua fans might not be as efficient as those Delta fans at high speeds
@@LinusTechTips what about the sound tho?
Linus: goes full geek mode on heat transfer
Me: PTSD Flashbacks to my heat transfer class
enthalpy time
@@ZakiAsir same
Cbeddoe19 Lucky you, mine just made us write them on paper and give it to him as practice, some people just gave him photocopies and still passed the class.
thermodynamics was so hard
Heat loss/ heat gain is such a boring slog. I used to hate it
Wife: Why did you buy a new refrigerator?
Me: It is technically a computer case but doubles as both
The kitchen is the new gaming room.
Like the old LTT videos
so your wife is a gamer now?
Don’t forget to waterproof your system, else except condensation to fuck up some stuff
Add gallons of water at the bottom to increase the fridges thermal mass. Otherwise the compressor might struggle to keep up ;)
PERFECT! Saves getting up to get snacks from refrigerator while gaming
Here's a quick thought: what about reversing the flow direction of the top case fans? This would only work if the fans on the thermosyphon are configured to push air across it (because there'd be more air pressure pulling air across the thermosyphon)
"it doesn't look like much" it looks like you pulled it out of the lambo.
Linus can be pretty out of touch at times.
Really?
It's a black box. It doesn't look like much.
my motherboard: Oi, My Back
Manufactures start adding super huge backplates to add strength and avoid motherboard warp-age >.
@@animered1986 and then they add RGB to it and now we have to route our cables cleanly in the back too
Still, that is one HUGE air cooler. And it looks pretty ugly in my opinion.
@@CNCharger he did say that was just prototype and they were gonna make it smaller guess we just wait and see if it stays that big don't think i would buy it either
Awesome I was wondering when we were going to start seeing mini thermosiphons as cooling solutions for CPU/GPU. Hopefully they can shrink that by at least half for the final product.
It outperforms everything else!*
*unless you take margin of error into account.
Selling my fridge for this. No need to have both anymore.
I laughed out loud
lmao
You should’ve kept your fridge and put the pc in it, problem solved
Axolotlball shouldve put the fridge in the pc
Huge Mattress Gaming what if you get a mini fridge, pit it in the normal fridge, put the pc in the mini fridge and then put an ice pack in the pc
When your heatsink is bigger than your PSU you know you have entered the future
Too be honest having something that plugs and just works lol unlike watercooling that could leak and ruin your parts alongside a gpu with this slapped to it will be a laugh lol well gpus are gonna get a hotter won’t be long before you need to slap a 500watt cooler on it it lol
I kinds hope that the future we have more efficient pc.
@@kennyyuliandrika7162 we'll have completely ARM pcs, so I'm counting on that efficiency
@@jerenceaviado7367 if we have arm pcs, i'm committing suicide as someone that already has to deal with multitudes of changes in the x86 isa and having to check so many fucking things in cpuid. if arm becomes widespread, and i have to check even floating point support, i really don't know if i could continue my work while being sane.
@@kennyyuliandrika7162 quantum computers are coming
"Hopefully in early 2020"
How'd that end up going?
I just ordered one for a September release
@@voltronhasguns Right but Corona
That's handy to know, I was curious about it when I saw this vid again while looking into water cooling
They also upped the price from 120$ to 170$, in case anyone missed that.
@@flippiflippar9022 120$ was the pre-order price and they solved the mounting plate problems... it was a problem on the machine that manufactured it and not on the design of the prosiphon.
That being said... it's a bummer to wait several months for the product that when ordered was expected for June-July but will probable arrive by January 2021... well, at least the delay was to ensure the quality of the product so I'm fine with that and also the covid related delays since nothing to be done about that.
All in all... it's seems a good option for the price as a cooler that well be usable when I upgrade to a Threadripper.
Happy new year guys
0:48
linus : it actually managed to beat this.
blind people: a ridge wallet?
XxSampleText123xX this is a good comment
I'm blind and i see what you did there ;)
Das a hawt comment
Well ... to stay fair here ... it certainly cools a processor better than a ridge wallet ... even a blind person can see that.
It is not funny nor morally to make fun of someone's disability.
Gonna need this in Australia this summer even if you don’t overclock.
Get an aircoditioner.
what do I say then
im in townsville where we average 33c during summer, we have hit 36c a few days already, im running an 1800x @ 4.2g with a hybrid water cooling system 3x120mm fans, even while bench marking my system the cpu never goes over 60c in a normal room with only ceiling fans running. there is no need for this type of device for the average gamer / user in australia.
@@grahamdelacey5779
yeah, Radiators are good enough for hot climates. the higher Efficiency of the Radiator already overcomes the ambient Temperature.
@@grahamdelacey5779 your cpu is old man
01:50
We have that book for "Heat Transfer" subject.
This reminds me of the Cooler Master GeminII heatsink from back during the days of AM2/939. I still remember my 1.5ghz oc on a phenom x4 @ 7c with that thing... miss those days.
I always love to see innovation and fresh ideas enter the market. I wish Ice Giant nothing but the best!
Very much so my guy
You're gonna get scammed so much with that sort of mentality.
@@morpheas768 amen.... what abot the phononic hex 2 or the engine 27?
@@morpheas768 No? Wanting to see innovative ideas come around doesn't mean I throw my common sense out the window. Smh.
@@robotslug but they need to be new or innovative. Using phase changes is not new technology.
Linus: "Water Cooling is DEAD"
Me: Jay is now unemployed.
I think Jay has admitted that air cooling is at the point where water cooling is just more of a hassle. He just sticks with it because he is a water cooling enthusiast.
@@koyomiararagi3018 Watercooling on a GPU is still great.
JayzTwoCents just became JayzNoCents
Aio is dead. It hasn't been much better then high end air cooling for awhile. Real open loop water cooling is where it's at.
@@koyomiararagi3018 Water cooling is alway more hassle. It is, from the beginning, enthusiast's territory. Therefor it will never die just because something better come along.
sickkkkkkkk! love how soon you are doing this!!
Anyone else just learn now there is liquid in an air cooler?
Me so we’ve been water cooling for years without knowing it
wait its all liquid cooling?
always has been
honestly as soon as I heard the term "heat 'pipes'" a good while I did some research because that would mean either it has fluid in it or it's named wrong
This is what happens when you don't follow the ways of Tech Jesus & learn how they're made from his in depth factory tours.
BTW, air is a fluid...though not a liquid at standard temperature and pressure.
The title should be, "installing a refrigerator inside a computer".
Outperforming waterblocks. The joys of phase changes...
good idea, i'll drill a hole through my refrigeration and put my laptop in it to cool it down
P Weezy nah that’s the new Xbox
@@pio2569 3 controllers height ? Get the fuck out of here you moron
@@urboyseth5922 - funny thing is, he's done this too. "Linus Ruins Everything"
Linus: "... as the kids say"
Kids: What?
timestamp
@@stevethea5250 3:26
Review for elite version please!
Heard that they are making a copper version too, can’t wait for that
Imagine you hear a loud bang from the pc and it goes off. Turns out the processor and the socket tossed out
“Its getting hot in here, so take off all your load”
I am getting so hot / I'm gonna clock some cores down
give me all your load
Cause It's a bittersweet.... Siphoning.... this heaaat. Tryna make wicking work, you're a slave to the LTT pro hacks then you dieeieehhh.
I'll take you down the same sponsored video I've always been down. You know the one that sells you the same VPN, yeah
"It's getting hot, I want to take my load off~"
Pickup line:
Your the AM4 to my 3950X ;)
Or:
I’m gonna out my GPU in your PCI express slot
*Linus: I know this cooler doesn't look like much*
Me: Trying to imagine how much space that damn thing will take up.
Yeah its the biggest thing in the PC.
Hey linus! A big fan from India! Why don't you try liquid nitrogen cooling system? Please do video on it. Here is a video of it... ruclips.net/video/WwJvHJ1hyto/видео.html
@@jcpsbgm he have done this before if im not mistaken
@@Belikeimpasta no he hasn't
Am I the only one reading this in the voice of Guga over at Sous Vide Everything?
Actually, any heatpipe can work as a thermosiphon. You just need to put it vertically and gravity will help the wick or grooves (you don't always need a wick, only a profile with enough capillary pressure) to achieve higher flow. Also, the absolute best solution to cool a CPU while limiting the weight on the CPU/motherboard is a loop heat pipes where you put the evaporator on the CPU (with a reservoir and a wick) and the condenser in a separate radiator with fans (the two being linked by pipes like in a liquid water cooled loop). This is basically how we cool down the electronic of every spacecrafts (minus the fan obviously as we are limited to radiative cooling at the radiator side). Source : I'm an engineer at Euro Heat Pipes.
I'm pretty sure that the "loop" technology used in this product is that same as what can be found in the NoFan CR95a, and the NoFan CR80eh
"By making the pipe very small, natural perpetual circulation of the liquid inside takes place, and heat is efficiently dissipated into the attached heatsink fins"
I love how Linus explains everything thinking I would understand
Putting this on my "wait and see" list.
1:40 thank you for reminding me of my heat transfer exam on Wednesday.
Lamb get studying. Finals wait for no man.
Lamb Thermodynamics is waiting for you. Finals waits for no one.
well, since this video has been made, amd add another 32 core into the threadripper line up, they also add 8 more cores in the mainstream side.. the review of the final product is really interesting.
ive never been one to set my desktop on my desk, so i just reserved one. they are planning to ship september this year and cost 119.99 usd.
R.I.P. RGB Memory Sticks
Wasted
I had a freon gas cooler in the early 2000s, it cooled my CPU to -30 degrees celcius.
It was an ASETek Vapochill case.
memmmmoirrrieessssssssssss
Gotta love the 90s
DAMN that was a marvel
Looks like a pretty good case actually.
watching vids from a little back and seeing linus beardless is such a surreal experience.
Final product has much smaller condenser size. You can pre-order it now for $169.99 + shipping (if non-US).
Free shipping in the U.S. Taking pre-orders worldwide.
Expected ship date in September 2020.
Linus : Meet the thermosiphon.
.
My motherboard : aight, imma head out.
Underrated
why do i feel like this thing will rip my botherboard in 7 days ?
*aight, imma break up
Normie memes
@coolkid But not on small desks
1:53 I tried to escape my thermodynamics book by opening this video but looks like the book is supernatural and it implemented itself inside Linus' video...
I immediatly recognized the figure. Sort of a traumatic throwback lol
Ey stop stealing my kitchen cloth, give it back.
@@Unknown-sz8kg sorry no can do, I'll be left with nothing to cover my head.
IMO the Noctua line of similar coolers has the advantage of having all of it's fans mounted externally, so you can add in any silent/quiet fans you like. That's much more important to me than 6 degrees C, frankly
Now (aug 2020) its still not shipping. Icegiant now aims for sept 2020. Also the price went up to $170. They now include 4 fans, but no word on the manufacturer of those fans an the noise level.
Wtf that ryzen chip has more area than my phone's screen.
You sir have a good phone then!
Upgrade to Android. Stop using those kiddy phones.
@@Restrictted I wish there were small screen Androids. Phone screens larger than 5" suck.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872
Me with a Infinity Display 6.4" Samsung A51.
*"You said what?"*
@@samueljones3668 Yep, I have an A50, same 6.4" screen. Hate it. Unfortunately it was the lightest phone you could buy in America for less than $500.
HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY,
Linus crew who reads this. I work at the place where you guys cited the "Boiling Limit" equation! I have been enjoying your videos for years, and always felt smart knowing already how these systems work, but from an R&D perspective.
Thank you guys and gals at LTT for featuring Advanced Cooling Technologies here in litte ol' Lancaster PA on a global scale. I will let the company know that they were featured in a video that a major RUclips content creator made. Here's to business opportunity and free exposure!
Furry
Ew furry, would clap those cheeks namsayin
I see on Icegiant's website, the final model is shipping November 2020. Will you be reviewing the production model for us?
Also have you ever seen Silent Power PC foam heatsink numbers? I would love to see copper steel wool between heat pipes with vapor chambers or a water loop/ mini radiator with copper steel wool in place of fins. All of this would require detailed graphite thermal glue or something. It would be a cool test experiment.
ME: Something feel wrong
12mins later
ME: Where is the LTTSTORE.COM?
LTTSTORE.COM
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Excellent Violet Evergarden avatar.
So, that is an aircooler, with a more advanced heat pipe system.
A passive Liquid Cooler without Water or pump, and closer to the CPU. A liquid cooler could perform better, but they need to find a better heat conductor than Water and do something about the poor air flow of the tiny radiator.
I wouldn't call it advanced. It really old technology, just put into something new. Honestly in an extreme scenario it still wouldn't beat a custom loop. Then again that scenario may not exist at this time either.
@@joshanonline You'd be hard pressed to find a liquid with better specific heat at room temperature than water, plus it is what the thermosiphon uses (I think) so that'd be more apples-to apples anyway
@@brynclarke1746 The thermosiphon won't be using water, it needs a liquid that boils at the typical temperatures you reach in the cooler, then condense on the fins. So the boiling point of that liquid will probably be around 40-60°C
Time to put this on on a GPU as well!
No issue with weight when used on a horizontal MB mount case. They are big boxes but if you have the room.
Wait, heat pipes are actual pipes? I thought it's a metaphor and they're just solid copper.
Lol
@@barrybritcher pretty much my reaction
not sure if joking
I didn't know they were called heat pipes. I don't even think I realized they were there to begin with.
That means that “air coolers” are actually water coolers in disguise
Linus: watercooling is dead
Me: is this a rich joke that I'm too peasant to understand?
Yeah Ikr, I'm just happy my fan cpu cooler is still working for my i5 2500k ngl 😅
@@dustindickens1445 he literally "upgraded" that to like 200$, so no.
😞
@@dustindickens1445 Even the 69 doller pc?"
Especially that one!
@CoDGplays why are you talking about your self like that
0:35
"It doesn't look like much right now."
That thing looks like a brick to a skyscraper. And heavy!
Agreed. the numbers dont seem impressive all that much either , maybe wait 5 yrs and see other companies do better.. im thinking.
When I saw the Figure Image I immediately knew from which book it was, thermodynamics flashbacks 📘
Phase change from liquid-to-gas transfers massively higher amounts of heat than simple temperature change. That's why heat pipes work just as well as water cooling if not better. At high loads, the condensing action of the heat pipe (where the heat is rejected) is prevented though. This solves that by isolating the condensing. Pretty simple.
When he said 10 I assume 10 year lifespan, but NO. Around 10 LIFETIMES.
10 lifetimes of what, ants?
@@Danuxsy 10 lifetime of a decaying helium-5
@@jdhnxffuxjfjc3716 😱
I think they mean 1000 years.
LOL the half life of helium-5 is 7.595×10 -22 seconds so that's nearly instantaneous. If that was true then they wouldn't have time to complete the test
Seems like that would warp the board too over time.
I suppose you could just orient your pc to make it face upwards to avoid that, the final version should cut down on the weight too.
@@kionera96 and possibly add reinforcements that screw into the case
More like warp space and time itself
linus said that its still a prototype and that the final product may be slimed down to a third of that size
@@ObscuraEND if they want the same performance it is likely to be the same wait tho I recon
you guys should abstract this process and use a CPU shaped hotplate with variable heat output, in a case (if you really want), just to see which of these coolers really moves the most heat.
For those who are curious, the science behind this type of thermal exchange is fascinating. Its the same physics used in air conditioning systems. It relies on the energy that is required for phase changes (from liquid to gas, gas to liquid, liquid to solid, etc.). So, for example, to heat a 1 cm3 volume of water by 1°C would take like 50 joules. But at 100°C, water no longer increases temperature and thus starts to change phase to steam (vapor). For that same 1 cm3 volume of water, to change phase would require like 5000 joules !!! Phase changes require massive energy consumption. Normally we dont use water, since it phase-changes at 100°. Typically a refrigerant is used (which is a special checmical). They phase change (boil) at like NEGATIVE 40 °C !!! Can you imagien a liquid boiling at NEGATIVE 40°C???
The only problem is that that the machinery needed to deal with phase-change systems are much more complex than standard temperature gradiant single-phase systems.
10:05 Passive version sounds cool!
Shouldn't sound like anything 😀
@@MrParmenio24 and that is cool! I run Red drives for media since at 5400RPM they have been very quiet and more than adequate for my needs. NVMe for performance WD Red for storage.
No karen, you cannot speak to the manager.
I remember when I used to build car engines. Heat was always an issue as horsepower increased. We did the same things to improve cooling and keep the engines running at their optimum temperatures. And considering the heat generated by modern CPUS. I am excited for these newer cooling manners.
It would be great to see an update with the production model.
@Linus they have change the version for 2020 now it’s 50,5mm thick and has push-pull fan with a few internal change, would be nice to see if improved or not
"10 lifetimes"
Ok, yeah, but if we're talking about unvaccinated kids that's only like, 10 years, 12 tops.
Lol 😂 underrated comment
Preach it
He meant 10 lifetimes of the 7-year warranty. So 70-100 years.
We weren't.
Wait...what about the fact that vaccines are only good for 10 to 12 years max anyway?
We're all doomed...
Frankenstein GPU + ProSiphon
Mobo:(chuckles) i'm in danger
Thats sounds like a great way to get a "single use detachable PCIe Slot".
Thank you for explaining fin efficiency to the masses. I'm a mechanical engineer, or a "thermal" engineer as you put it (there's no such thing as a thermal engineer).
The ship date for the production model is Dec 2020 I would love to see Linus do another video on it.
Video on the retail version of the thermosiphon is out now! Also done by Linus
@@danielo9827 Link?
@@smaug.the.stupendous Here's the link:
ruclips.net/video/U-BWEDfrE9c/видео.html
According to linus, this thing is as good as custom water cooling loops.
For less than 50% of the price
Last time I was this early water cooling was still alive
@Advocatus Diaboli that is what he meant with "alive" yeah i am not interested in spending $700 on my liquid cooling i will just take a good air cooler like this or nhd15 and be done with it.
Water cooling is now deader than PC's with leaks.
@Advocatus Diaboli I really don't know how a custom loop can keep up with a 500W CPU and a 400W GPU. Maybe if you have 2 loops in 1 case. And by the time you manage to fit 3x 360mm rads into a big case which supports so many, how much would you have spent, compared to this Thermosiphon cooler? You may have a point if we talk about acoustics, but this thing is not far off. As LTT pointed out in another comment, this thing with Noctua fans performs 1 to 2 C worse. It's size looks like 2x 240mm rads stacked together. If we are to believe that the final version will only have the thickness of 1 thicker 240mm rad and have the same performance, @ $150 MSRP it will be hard to beat. And I can't wait to see what it could do if it was made of copper.
@Mr. Chair i am afraid to even read reeply to me properly but the guy sure is passionate so i wont argue lol
I would be willing to sacrifice case orientation for significantly better cooling.
A passive version for newer APU will sell well against silent cases(They start at 500).
Thank you for this.
“Kinda bulky?” What is your criteria for “really bulky?”
Obviously a bit bulkier than kinda bulky.
U never seen his homemade subzero kit
RAM clearance?
considering they had a whole room water cooling i would say they would consider a car radiator really bulky
@@Skelath ,
52mm
www.icegiantcooling.com/prosiphonelite
Linus talks about the dimensions as if it's uncertain yet they show the final specifications and are talking preorders so I'm not sure what's going on there... also the WEIGHT is similar to a Noctua NH-D15 (both with fans)
Can't wait to put another computer case inside my computer case.
Yo dawg, I heard you like computer cases...
and then mount your computer case inside a Caselabs tower, and mount that inside a server rack.
genius
lets say we expand heatpipes to have say 3 sections of working area in line, so as say section one is condensing the one above it is evaporating , and as that condenses the one above evaporates, i wonder if you could get 3 fluids to balance like that so their evaporation points are a few degrees off from eachother, it should transfer the heat further, faster no?
it really means a lot to see a youtuber wear a poppy
Linus: Intel's high end desktop chip's these days
AMD: I'm confused... in this dimension?
A high end Honda can still exist at the same time as a high end Mercedes.
*grabs popcorn*
@@KC-bg1th Well yeah the new NSX is supercar fast
Linus: "...it managed to beat THIS!"
Other Linus Vid: so did a NH-D15.
Wasn't that a NH-U12A? So the NH-D15 would have beat it even more handily
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@@HelenGPitts aight dawg be humble
but in that vid I think they were testing consumer cpu's. not threadripper 2 with 300+ watts of power consumption
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And I love how Linus educate us on the new products that comes out and give us the best specs possible
If the cooler is doing a phase change under vacuum, it is still a heatpipe. In this case, it is the old-fashioned _gravity return_ fluid, but it is still a heatpipe. The thermosiphon variation is nice, but it is NOT the kind used in the old automotive cooling system picture.
GPU sag.......
This thing: Hold my beer
My Rx 580 sags more than that thing is.
Randomly Entertaining greaaaat I just picked up the msi rx 580, now ur telling me it’s gonna sag
@@ScarletGuts i assume yours has a backplate. You should be fine. I have an msi rx 480 gaming x. No sag and acts like new and performs better than ever. The 580 refresh should have no issues
@@ScarletGuts lol not to be critical or anything but why would you pick up an rx580 in this day and age? It's such an old card and there are significantly better options to be had if you save up a little more. Don't get me wrong it's a great card, but the performance you'll be getting isn't quite representative of what you could be getting at the end of 2019
@@tofu.delivery. for a budget build it isnt a terrible purchase. Even with my older 480 i can still play most games over 60 on high settings. Medium where needed. I habe yet to see a game that is impossible to play at visually acceptable levels at 1080p. Radeon image sharpening really helps because you can turn off AA for big fps gain.
The 'passive' version sounds really interesting for gamers who want great cooling without a Jet Engine next to them.
check this out: Scythe Ninja 5
i equipped my rig with it (9700K) and it's so damn quiet and effecient
even under load my rig makes barely any sound...
jet engines are from the past, dude
Guys just wear headphones while gaming like you're supposed to and let the rig prepare for lift off.
@@somethingtrulyhorrifying some of us have great sound systems and we like to feel the woofers work. Cans just don't cut it.
@@TheUltimateBlooper spoken like a person that's never experienced the power of my Sony XB700's.
If you're running a threadripper at 380+tdp you should expect some level of noise. Linus did mention there would be a version for non-HEDT platforms, possibly fanless.
Linus, there is no comparison between the liquid in a water cooling loop and the liquid coolant in a siphon loop. The water absorbs heat by INCREASING TEMPERATURE, which means its exit temperature increases with heat load. The coolant in a siphon loop absorbs heat by evaporating at a constant temperature (its boiling point), so exits as a gas close to this boiling point, independent of heat load. This means a properly designed evaporation loop will always be more capable of maintaining a constant temp at the CPU with variable heat load.
I guess these coolers are great when your case is as big as a Volkswagen; SGI uses thus same principle in its 40,000 core HPC block. Also keep in mind that "Air Coolers" are just local water coolers, and water coolers are just remote air coolers. This all comes down to fitting the most thermal transfer you can into the space in the case you have chosen to use. So in the case of a good SFF case the Ice Giant is a big as the case itself. There is no silver bullet there are just different use cases.