ZINC vs SWEET TART vs CECILOVE: WILL THE CHILDREN OUTPERFORM THE PARENT?
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- Mango is a complex flavored fruit, yet we like to remember a certain mango by classifying it into a certain flavor profile for our own inner satisfaction and semblance of order. Florida mangoes, thanks to the mango breeding program of Gary Zill, now come in a multitude of flavors, with underlying tones, top notes, lingering flavors, bright explosions, etc.; they come in different shapes, colors, sizes and, most importantly, with very low or no fiber. The attempts to put these wonderful tasting mangoes into taste profile boxes has been a challenge, yet mango experts have come up with flavor groups like "classic", "Indian mango", "west indian mango profile", "thai mango profile" , "indochinese mango profile", "citrusy", "coconut", etc. Mangoes often have a combination of these different flavor groups which makes them so unique, and every year there are modifications to these flavor groups based on newer taste nuances discovered in these mangoes and new varieties released.
Today we are tasting 3 very complex flavored mangoes that belong to one family yet are very different in taste - Zinc, Sweet Tart and Cecilove mango. Their base flavor profile is what is referred to as "indochinese" by many experts, they have a complex flavor due to addition of other flavor profiles to this base flavor.
Using the word “Indo-Chinese” (Indochinese) in 2021 describing Southeast Asian countries geopolitically is extremely outdated, so why don’t we shed colonial vocabulary and call the taste of these mangoes simply "Southeast Asian flavor group", describing the region they come from in the modern terms?
Disclaimer: We are creating mango tastings for the 2nd year in a row and feel like sharing the same disclaimer because we still see people arguing about taste. Like many things in life that cannot be ever measured in a lab, taste is one of them. It is purely a subjective experience involving one's cultural conditioning. Exposure to certain types of foods during our childhood days, special liking of other types of fruit or candies and finding hints of them in mangoes play very heavy on the type of mangoes one likes or dislikes.
Also, the same mango variety grown in different parts of Florida (or the world) will taste different depending on changes in microclimate, annual rainfall, soil health, soil mineral and salt content, fertigation regimen (irrigation+fertilization), etc. so blanket statements about a certain variety's taste aren't welcome. Lastly, mango picked early / not fully mature vs picked at the peak maturity changes how they ripen off of tree; often mangoes picked green, hard & immature eventually change color and look nice but will not get optimal sweetness (brix) or the complexity of flavor that makes mango such a unique and tasty fruit.
Please don’t make assumptions about a variety based on your tasting of a mediocre tasting fruit! Try fruit from different places, different microclimates at different stages of ripeness.
Music credit: Fredji - Happy Life (Vlog No Copyright Music)
I like how you broke these down, very intricate! I had Sweet Tart many years ago and just did not like its flavor so I sold the tree off. Hard to believe I just got a Cecilove tree due to it's well liked flavor and size of tree. You described the differences perfectly so time will tell.
Great, keep me posted! Always appreciate the feedback 🙏
thank you for these explanations and your sincerity which opens my eyes and helps me make the right choice. Life is wealth, nature is wealth that has graciously produced and abundantly given to us for millions of years and when I see this fruit, like others, I say thank you for this gift. let us be united to embellish it more and respect it. Thank’s🙏
Yes you' re right, the term "Indo Chinese" may seems inappropriate.Sour/ tart and sweet mango taste profile is a character of south east Asian mangoes, in far east like Philippines and Indonesia there is mango adorata specy, the tart and sweet carabao mango.
My daughter 7 loves Sweet Tart. It's her favorite.
Just added CeciLove to the garden, via scion.
Excellent like always describing the taste and flavor of these mangoes. Zinc is also one of my favorites. A good grown and properly picked Zinc is a top tier mango in my opinion and is as good as the newest popular varieties.
Thank you. Agree fully on Zinc, somehow i never had a chance to taste this one in past years, could have grafted it to my non-flowering Sweet tart tree.
The eyebrows. The hmmmm CCL will steal the show every time. It is one of the sweetest most balanced mango. I went for Zinc just so I could do the same family tasting.
Yes, definitely something more going in there with Cecilove than just a sweet and tart flavor..Zinc was a surprise. So many surprise mangoes this year.
Genuinely I see your reflection of my inner valor and courage to speak elegantly of honoring a peoples. 🙏🏻 This is Aloha 🤙🏻
& maybe you had a coffee.or something 😆 but you were ON IT! REALLY enjoyed your thoroughness and clarification brother. You're getting GOOD at this. A newbie to Florida, and I love tropical fruit, so your videos hit home for me 🙏🏻
Lol thank you for your humor and positivity:) no coffee, just passion 😹
Thank you thank you....I couldn't quite put my finger on why I like Fairchild so much because it has the same flavor profile as sweetheart...it was an AHA moment!!! I also love Zinc...such an underrated mango. Never had a Ceci love, looking forward to trying it one day. Thanks for sharing.
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Well said! Thanks. I will add Zinc and Cecilove to my mango collection.
Some for me, I like strong classic Mango taste. I tasted the popular Carrie once and just thought it had a weird, STRONG spicy/vegetable flavor, not what I expected in a Mango, so it wasn't my thing. But many people rate it highly..
an improperly ripened Carrie has vegetable flavor. That's not what a good Carrie should taste like. Try again, from a better source.
About the Indochinese terminology. I really never understood why alot of other videos and mango forums use it. I just went with the flow and used it also. But I can see how it could leave other cultures out knowing that Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines, Myanmar and others, sorry if I left you out, have a lot do do with the Indochinese hybrid name/flavor profile. Maybe the better name could be Indo/Southeast Asia hybrid.
Just my thought.
Thank you for your feedback Bruce. Southeast Asian flavor sounds better. Indian profile is completely different and i have never had China grown mangoes or Chinese varieties so don't know what kind of mangoes grow there, i am sure there are subtropical regions in China where mangoes do grow.
In regards to what you said at the beginning of the vidoe, Perhaps call them south Asian mangos? Or south east Asian mangos? Since the countries and people who bred them are south Asian to south east Asian? You can correct me if I'm saying something wrong, I'm not nor is my heritage from Asia.
Yes, Southeast Asian, Asian, something along those lines
did you know zinc stands for zill indochinese! :) I thought it had something to do with the chemical element..! haha
We try not to use the outdated term “indochinese”:) - you could watch our Southeast Asian mangoes videos to find out why. but yes, it’s a Zill variety, probably with a “pun intended”))
@@growpuravida ok thanks for the info :)
How is Ceci love growth?
Flowered this year! 🤙🤙🤙 waiting patiently for the fruit
Medium vigor, internodes are long. So not technically a compact like Carrie or Pickering but the vigor is slow and because it is very productive, this can slow down the growth rate further.
@@growpuravida thanks for the explanation!
Hi can you compare taste of sweet tart mango with alphanso you tasted in Nepal?
They are completely different tastes. The Sweet tart has a subacid taste to balance its sweetness and belongs to the southeast asian ( for example Thai, Vietnamese mangos) mango flavor profile but Alphonso has spiciness and sweetness together with an Indian mango flavor profile.
How does venus compare to zinc?
For me, Venus is closer to taste to Sweet tart than Zinc. The ‘zing’ that comes with the tarty flavor and the sweetness were same as Sweet tart. Zinc did not have that ‘zing’, it has the same ‘southeast asian’ flavor profile but it has more, a classic flavor added to it mixed in with good balance and sweetness is comparable to Venus. Honestly for me, while Venus and ST had brightness in flavor, Zinc had depth in flavor.
@@growpuravida Dang, now I want a zinc. Is zinc as productive as st or venus, and is it resistant to mbbs?
I don’t have a Zinc tree, will graft it onto Sweet tart and see
Saying religion corrupted humanity is offensive to people of faith. It is offensive to me as a Christian. I'm surprised that you said that considering your assertion that you don't like to talk about politics or religion.
Every organized religion, be it Christianity, or Hinduism or Buddhism have conditioned humanity, divided humanity and controlled humanity. There have not been as many wars and mass massacres in the name of religion than any other cause in the history of humanity, and it still continues. But that being said, I have immense respect and love for Christ, Buddha, Moses, Mohammed or Shiva, they were pinnacles of human consciousness, their existence in human history gives us faith, gives us hope of a possibility of evolution of humanity into a loving and joyful species. I would like to talk about real religion, if you visit me here in the garden i will talk for hours about it. Recently a devout Christian visited us for mangoes, we talked all night about Christ, about religion and it seemed time stood still and we forgot how we spent hours without even noticing. It is utmost joy for me to talk about religion, consciousness, human mind, bliss, grace but i do not like anything organized, be it religion or politics, it has been used to divide people, control people. If this offends you please forgive me, it was not be intention.
Here is a link to a recent discussion about religion with a cardiothoracic surgeon who was extremely interested to discuss about religion, mind and consciousness - ruclips.net/video/PdavAKrEjfo/видео.html
@@growpuravida but brother, "organized religion" isn't any more divisive than atheism and its philosophy than anything goes because there's no higher power to be accountable for. So when you say most atrocities have been committed in the name of religion, this not only sounds much more ignorant and narrow view than you yourself being bothered about the regional name of a mango flavor profile (LOL), it also sounds as if you deep down hate or dislike people of faith or Christianity, which is the prevalent faith here, since you are in the United States. If I went to your native country and said the same about Buddhism or the prevalent local faith, I wouldn't be well received, and possibly physically attacked/kicked out. Christianity, if you follow Christ, is not about cultural, regional or political views. And when it comes to atrocities, in the modern era nobody beats the non-believing atheists such as the communists, certain Asians, some areas in Africa, and now the globalist western atheists calling themselves "scientific" with their 'pandemic$' and mandatory cure$$$.. aka population-reducing injection, to be exact
I absolutely agree with you about atheism: both theism and atheism are the 2 sides of the same coin: they deal with the notion of either presence or absence of god. One has no way of knowing whether god exists until one has a personal experience of interacting with a higher power, be it god or universal consciousness, or divine wisdom. So, both denying and believing someone's existence without first hand experience is pretty useless. If you want to have first hand experiences of divine energy, or bliss, or harmony, there are lots of practices, and you don’t need a priest telling you there is some god somewhere, because you can experience him here and now if you so decide. That priest most probably never had those experiences himself, so their knowledge is useless because it's all borrowed. rather find a teacher, a master who has been there, has experienced divinity, opening, awakening, and can lead you in the right direction. What good does blind faith serve you? If I have never met a god, what good does it do for me to know whether s/he exists or not? Think about it, logically it makes no sense. Denying something is also pretty stupid; it’s like denying the existence of Cassiopea just because you’ve never seen it or been there. That comes from ignorance, and i don’t support atheism or communism or any other ism either. But your reasoning against atheism is very bad, too: seems that the only reason to become a believer is fear? Saying that if there is no higher power there is abuse of power on Earth has been churches’ narrative since the beginning of time, and fear continues being the leading reason for becoming a “believer”. At some point someone smart decided that it’s a very good way of controlling the masses, preventing them from doing horrible things, and it still works in the 21st century! Unbelievable, no pun intended.
Now, about “where I came from”. I would like to disappoint you, or, rather, encourage you to travel (I hope you're not one of those 40% of Americans who have never left their country?): they actually have more religions, traditions, sects and lineages in Nepal and India than you can possibly think of because the cultures are so ancient, and there is a huge festival every several years (google "Kumbh Mela") where sadhus of all religions and all traditions gather together in one place. Truly religious people (not of an organized religion but yogis, enlightened masters and such) don’t have a tradition of buying followers, or missionaries, the religion doesn’t use aggressive expansion techniques like Christianity does. The only goal is human awakening, connecting to the universal consciousness. It’s actually a huge honor to be accepted as a disciple of a yogi or a lama, you have to go through training, purification, studies depending on the tradition - and not every person has that honor. If you traveled the world you would know that probably. Traveling expands horizons, and maybe you will have a completely different attitude to “intruders”, people of other races, cultures or people who were not born here, and/or will have a less aggressive demeanor on public forums and under other people’s videos.
By the way, your comment about Americans not caring about using a racially slurry colonial term and just wanting to plant a tasty fruit is extremely ignorant, and I refuse to believe that "most Americans" are like this, like you said. I have lived in this country for many years, respect its values and met very intelligent people here from all over the world. This country is great because everyone has the right to express themselves, written into the constitution without the fear of attack, bullying or prosecution. And saying that I should shut my mouth because the majority will be offended is the same as in Communist countries I would have to pretend that i'm communist just for the fear of being prosecuted. If I refuse to follow the herd, can you really blame me??? And if you think otherwise, you’re probably less American than the constitution prescribes you to be… I have only heard from extremely unintelligent people, rednecks mostly, this same narrative, “go back to where you came from” and don’t disturb our slumber. So, does it mean that you’re democratic only when it’s convenient? Even poor people of India are more democratic than that - at least they didn’t burn your christian churches down and didn’t verbally attack your priests saying "yankees go home"… you believe what you want to believe, me too, and if you want to learn something more than your day-to-day operation, you read, observe and explore, not bully and shame people into believing what you believe… especially coming to their “home” (this channel is my home, so you basically came to me attacking, not vice versa).
Well, back to my encouragement. Nepal is truly accepting when it comes to religion. Nobody will beat a Christian if s/he expresses their opinion. Maybe will laugh a little, because their cultural background is more ancient than the age of this Earth according to Christians. They will say, "Christ? Yeah he was a student in an ancient yogic school, that's where he learned how to walk on water, every true yogi can do that" (google "siddhis" if you're interested to learn more).
In fact, there are many places, especially in South India (which, paradoxically, is also communist) with Hindu temples right across the street from Christian churches, and communist parades marching in between them. Nobody invited Christians to India with their missions, they just came, and Indians said “ok” because with their religion they brought rice. Many very poor people converted, not because they cared for Jesus but because Christians were offering food in exchange for faith. They would as well join the church of Mickey Mouse if that church was offering them free food… This is a very vivid and shameful way of manipulating people into joining an organized religion - buying followers - through food. There is a term “rice Christian” coined since mother Theresa's times who was famous for only feeding Christian children. She wouldn’t care for a child if that child’s parents wouldn’t convert to Christianity. Now, do you call this altruistic? I call it manipulative and deceitful, just like with white people stealing the lands from native Americans. But that’s another story for another day...
Now, back to killing in the name of religion. If you look into local conflicts, there is a very long and very bloody Hindu/Muslim conflict on the Indian border with a muslim Pakistan, people are killing each other because of their religious beliefs up to this day. You can google it if you’re interested. Also, can google “wars led by humanity due to religious beliefs”. Politics (greed, land appropriation thru robbery and deceit, manipulation) and religion (fighting for religious beliefs, intolerance) are the obvious 2 leaders.