Camping Stove or Emergency Stove? The MSR Whisperlite Universal Is Both
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- Опубликовано: 19 мар 2020
- Although most people consider it a camping stove or backpacking stove, The MSR Whisperlite Universal may be the best emergency stove you can get because it can use such a wide range of fuels.
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Sometimes cold and tired, sometimes wet and alone, often a long way from home - there's always something very reassuring about the sound of a MSR stove on full kick.
Love it! Just found a new one at a yard sale Best purchase ever
I've found that squeezing a small glob of fire paste on the generator and lighting it simplifies the priming process and is cleaner and more controlled. Just before the fire paste burns out, crack the valve and it ignites with an almost instantaneous blue flame.
I've used the original for 30+ years. White gas only. Still works just fine so I would assume this one is of the same quality that I expect from MSR. I've used mine at 10,000 feet in sub zero temps and desert camping at 110F. It just plain works every time. Great video.
Thanks
I have the Wisperlite regular for 20 years. Works great, especially in winter. I keep an 8 oz can for short trips out.... Thanks Brother!
I bought an older version of this stove about 12+ years ago for camping where a wood fire is not allowed. They work great, I have only used white fuel in mine. 2 points about it, the white fuel burns for a long time. One bottle is easily enough for several days to a week of camping. the other point is, if it sits for too long then you may need to take the pump apart and oil the leather piece inside to get it working again. Fairly easy to do, just need to know to do it. A great little stove!
David Northrup
I got the old one also. 👍
Thanks for sharing!
Another good video. I've owned this stove for 6 years. It very easy with the canister. The holder to invert the canister turns it into a "liquid feed" system which works well in cold conditions. The liquid fuel is my favorite. It uses Naptha, which is white gas. Yes, that is Coleman fuel. Side note. Zippo lighter fluid is Naptha. You can safely use the white gas (Coleman fuel) in the Zippo lighters. Bonus!
This stove has never failed me.
Thanks for the info!
if your using a gas canister in cold conditions, carry it around inside your jacket for a while before you use it, your body warmth really helps :-) Same with little bic lighters etc.. however I take a usb arc lighter now lasts longer and isn't affected by wind!!
My whisperlite international is still going strong after 30+ years! It’s not the lightest, and it can’t simmer, but it works great in all seasons and can be easily repaired/maintained.
I've got a pot lid with an adjustable vent in it. It helps a lot with controlling the heat.
It can simmer....just use low tank pressure....
Got a 30+yr old Whisperlite Internationale & XGK2.
Keep a the seals/o-rings maintained,
& they are fantastic for liquid fuel
Nice! I have been wanting one of these for a while now. So much better in options than jet boil. I’ll carry both though when I get this one.
Good video. I still have Dad’s MSR Multifuel XGK that we used in the mid 1980’s. No canister gas capability, but a rip roaring stove that can change jets to swap from white gas/unleaded to kerosene/diesel. Good stoves.
yep
My XGK™ EX Stove will burn a litre/35 Oz in 4 min 20 Sec. To stop any Carbon/Soot on your pot bottom, put pot on when fuel is vaporizing/blue and take off before you switch fuel line off. This way you keep your pots nice an clean! Before and after uses when cooled turn upside down the stove and shake for a minute, causing the shaker pin to remove any carbon build up. Do this and your stove will work for years! Great video, Liked and Subscribed!
Great tip!
Hi Bryan. Old Eagle here from troop 463 in Sandy Springs. I agree these are great stoves. My 2nd choice, but my favorite because of the memories, is the old brass Svea backpacker stove. I really don't have a third choice.....it goes down fast after those two. We used the old heavy Coleman backpacker "pump up and blow up" stoves both times out at Philmont in '79 and '80 ( they evolved into the "Sportser"). I hated them....We almost set the woods on fire every night at dinner when we tried to start the darn things. MAIN POINT I wanted to tell you is that I was able to convert my Whisperlite Universal to burn drugstore rubbing alcohol (90%) by cutting a thin strip off an aluminum can, making a tube out of it, and then wrapping it around the stem of the stove where the air hole is. It doesn't have to be super snug tight against the stem, or even wrapped fully around....in fact you want it loose and have an opening going from top to bottom....you are only trying to reduce the amount of air, not stop it completely. The alcohol isn't as flammable, so you have to cut down the air/fuel mix. I find if I take the little tube of metal and cover up about 3/4 to 7/8 of the air hole, it works just like it does with Coleman fuel, maybe not quite as hot though. I like using alcohol rather than Coleman fuel because it is less flammable and thus a little safer to work with (to me anyways) , cleaner, and doesn't stink up the backpack if a little bit leaks out. It just evaporates in a few seconds. Maybe I'll make a video, if one hasn't been made already, and send it to you. The final design i came up with for aluminum can strip-tube is so that it has a little bit of metal that sticks out like a handle so I can adjust the air mixture after it's lit. Happy Trails..maybe see you out there on the AT. I'll be the guy with the 40+ year old external-frame Green Kelty pack, with the blonde wife carrying an identical one. Be sure to Say Hi. I'll keep an eye out for you and your troop.
Good look at the stove. I'd been close to pulling the trigger but after your look I was at Sportsman's Warehouse in my town and they had the same set up for $99 plus California tax. So, I bought one and the large fuel container, which will work for extra motorcycle fuel as well. ;)
Thanks for running us through the operation.
Good call!
I had the original whisperlite, and I made an adapter so you could run it off gas as well before the new whisperlite was released, so you can convert your old whisperlite to run off gas. Then they released the Whisperlite Universal and I moved jobs and they bought me it as a leaving present now I love both, my old whisperlite and my new one. built to last...
Cool
Could you elaborate on the adapter pleeeeease
Most helpful... Thanks for posting...
Very nice stove and useful..I have one MSR like this..but damage already..Thank you sir for Sharing 👏👏👍💪
This stove doesn't really seem to have a simmer like the Optimus Polaris also looks like more hassle. I can be wrong here, but I own the Optimus Polaris, and I was looking at buying the Whisperlite.
Thank you :)
Have used a whisper lite for over 30 years so only white gas. Use alcohol to prime it. Less soot and dont waste fuel. It's a tank. On a week us trip need to clean the jet. Went with a full trangia cookset with burner which I prefer now. Can do alcohol, quiet but slower, or use the isopro burner. Both are tanks.
Good tip on priming
0:55 and you can also use leaded gas if it is still around in your country, but you shouldn’t
another beautiful video Brian, I kind of like the coleman 500 series better, can only be used with liquid fuel but it is way easier to set up. Best wishes.
This stove has some definite drawbacks but it is an absolute TANK. I’ve found you can cook over cast iron on this really easily as well.
Do you know if the canister mod will attach to the dragonfly stove? It has the same supply line.
Great video keep it up bless on your family
Thanks so much
MSR definitely the best stoves out there! I've never been let down by mine.
You got that right!
Haven't what your videos for awhile. You are definently now a professional influencer.
Very professional presentation. Keep up the good work.
Aw shucks. Thanks.
I have a whisper light international I bought in 89 and it’s still going strong. I did however replace the pump with a newer one a few years back. Not because the other one failed but the newer one has better adjustment to it.
cool
Same
USE A WINDSCREEN TO SEPARATE THE FLAME FROM THE FUEL TANK FOR GOODNESS SAKES!.
Only need ~1tsp of fuel into the primer cup to help the generator tube vaporize the fuel to be activated.
I've always enjoyed watching your review. Thanks. I just have a couple of questions. What do you think about Msr Windpro II? Have you ever been in a situation that you forced to use any fuels other than LPG? I mean how important it is to have a multi-fuel stove.
I think I have a Windpro II coming up to review soon.
I like preheating by dabbiny fuel right on the pipe with a fibreglass ball. Way faster. Even better with the windscreen on
I live in a rural community and we have plenty of wood on our land and can find dead wood everywhere and I have plenty of utensils to cook in and if camping I have a kit for cooking in and use wood since we don't have bans here in Arkansas. That stove would be nice for urban dwellers who might be cooking using such a stove.
whatever works
Can it handle pure propane during soul freezing mountain hikes in full storm tough?.
I like the polaris Optimus better because you dont have to change the jet. However in my experience the flame control aint as good as the msr because of this
Higher elevations MIGHT cause more issues with trying to use these stoves. The priming that is required to use these stoves can become difficult or impossible at higher elevations. But I have 2 of these stoves and love them. They have lots of hours of use over the years. Even brought them along on some military missions during my time of service.
What are you calling high elevation?
These styles of stoves are commonly used up to about 20,000'.
Of course more pumping will be required, due to decreased atmospheric pressure, but you will have the same problem with a canister stove, but you can't pump them to get pressure back, so they are a worse choice than liquid fuel systems for high elevation.
I'm curious if you're aware of a better option?
I never switch out the jets. Unleaded gas is chep and pkentiful. Butane canisters freeze in cold weather/snow and cost a fortune.
I've an old Apex model/version of this my sis gifted me. Made for Coleman fuel only methinks. (kerosene with a mod)
It works pretty good, fuel bottle holds a fair amount. ~ Feels I like it more than this one as it works like a Coleman lantern/burner.
Whole of fuel transfer line is on the bottle with a spider cap lanyard'd on the braided SS line. Also one of the three legs has an adjustment screw for leveling on rocks and the like.
The attached pipe on this MSR stove looks easy to break during transport.
lol, thanks for the reminder I should get a gallon o fuel.
tips me hat ~
you are welcome
They believe they say something you automatically must obey and do it not knowing their lawyers against it
A bit too close to the edge of the tree stump for comfort there. One thing with these remote-bottle stoves is if the bottle moves or rolls even a little, the fuel hose pulls the stove along & can unbalance it.
I like living right on the edge ;-)
Cool stove! Find a small circular wire grid to place on top for smaller cooking cups. While I wouldn't mind having one I would call it the Struggle Stove. With my hands it would be a struggle with changing the jets. Even the step just before the jet swap likely would be problematic for me. Darn hand deficit! lol But given what the stove can do I've saved this video for future reference! Thanks Bryan!
It might be a challenge for you
Look on eBay for the haidragon steamer rack. I bet the 15cm option would do nicely.
Awesome review! Thank you.
when we were looking for our stoves,, we definitely looked at these,, we liked colman two burner a bit more...suits our poupos for base camping and got one for the house as well a fellow had given me..
Tried and true
Tried and true
@@SurvivalOnPurpose yes sir,, ready two go when you need it as well..
If you get a liquid fuel coleman two burner, you can get an adapter to run propane. It gives you a lot of flexibility. Auto gas to white gas to propane... add another adapter and you can even run butane.
@@Thereal111t can you thanks wow.. ya we used two use propane when we cooked had a 20 lbs tank on the front of out=r teardrop the first one i made.. but it was a pain you end up some ware and the only tanks available are blue rhino ,, so that sucks just with a regular tank so next time you bring a blue rhino one after trading the other one for the tank and wouldn't you know it.. they only fill regular tanks... ahhhh the white gas is perfect we cook some times breakfast lunch and dinner for as many as 8 with our two burner,,, the other burner is some thing you need two get use two.. takes way more pressure,,, but with 20 pumps of the pump hear and there... done son,, the little one burner butane ones with the self igniting sparks are very impressive,, but butane does not work well in the cold... white gas is the way two go.. easy two use,, thanks you sir
Check out the Cambium M Russians stove, it nice. As well as the Bering Russian Bear tent, can't beat it. Overall great review on your stove. Coleman makes nice stoves. Appreciate your video.
Thanks, will do!
How about a video comparing use of the canister fuel vs liquid fuel. Ie which heats faster and which is more economical. Thanks Brian for all you do. I have learned so much useful info from your channel that I can't thank you enough
All those tech specs are on the MSR website if that helps
Good
Nice!
Thanks!
Well, Dave Canterbury has a new Pathfinder version that is also multi fuel including propane, with less losable parts. Maybe do a review on that stove?
It’s big but the visualization is awesome
HMM
The whisperlite universal is an excellent stove. The original Whisperlite internationale was an iconic and innovative design which dominated the market for years. Truth be told though, MSR was late to adopt liquid/butane compatibility. Primus and Optimus had it for years before MSR. I understand that you are very active in scouting. This used to be a popular model scouting stove. Recently there’s been a ban on liquid fuel stoves for scouts. (Liability issues) (eyeroll) I wonder if the scouting policy had anything to do with the decision to make a dual liquid/gas model? Also... when you run the butane canister upright you’ll have better flame control in warm weather. If it’s really cold the liquid feed mode for the butane will run longer... but that’s when the white gas and kerosene mode really shines.
Thanks for the tips
Coleman fuel is sold out here. I bought some Kerosene yesterday for my MSR Whisperlite and Dragonfly stoves. The MSR Dragonfly is superior in many ways to the Whisperlite. It simmers low enough to cook Jasmine rice and soups.
Hmm
With canister fuel the whisperlite can simmer extremely well. it's not so good simmering with liquid fuel
If it wasn’t so loud it would be great.
@@SpaceExplorer31 I have beer brats simmering on one of my 3 Dragonfly stoves as I type this. The loud burner is perfect for simmering as you can hear if it flames out from wind. The whisperlite would just keep dumping gas until you figured it out. Like the Harley guys used to say... Loud Pipes Save Lives.
Nice stove, Bryan, however there are too many moving parts one can lose and it would take up more space in my pack. I've been using a BSR with a small canister and both fit inside my 550ml Toaks titanium pot with the lid secured, taking up very little space. At age 73 I try to keep my overnighter pack under 20 pounds including food and water. The boil time is reasonable which I haven't clocked. With summer coming on I lessen the weight to around 15 pounds, using a woobie or Snugpak blanket instead of the Swagman Roll or a sleeping bag. My normal camp set up is a hammock with an Aqua Quest camo tarp (lightweight) overhead. During stealth camping my stove preference is a G.I. folding stove with trioxane or a Fancy Feast with alcohol (or HEET) for fuel. To hide the flames I use the Dakota fire pit.
white gas stoves are usually used in winter because regular canister stoves stop working when it gets too cold.
Since white gas is so energy dense it can also be used for snow melting in the winter unlike alcohol stove which would require ridicoulus amounts of ethanol to do so.
What is the advantage of this over the single unit Coleman 533
Not sure if it's a advantage but the MSR can burn kerosene. And with the separate fuel bottle it may be easier to pack. I like them both, but the kerosene ability seems like a plus in an emergency.
The answer to the question is, yes
its a great backpack stove BUT its not a good preparedness choice. a coleman 502 is far superior in usability and robustness. it can burn white gas, car gas and kero. no orings to replace. the coleman suitcase white gar stove are great too if you don't need super portable.....they will burn all mentioned fuels AND propane with adapter
In and emergency situation i think a wood stove would be much better because all you need is something to burn and not have to carry extra bottles of fuel just adding weight. great video though. love your channel. Just think gas stoves are better for normal camping or hiking and not in an emergency situation.
Actually, the majority of emergency situations most US citizens find themselves in don't involve carrying anything further than from wherever they store thier emergency supplies to the kitchen table. And a wood stove is not too good for indoors.
@@SurvivalOnPurpose Very true, thanks for all you do, i really do enjoy your videos
I keep a 10l Wavian can in my car full of ethanol free unleaded. Along with my multifuel stove, that’s a lot of boiling and cooking capability for zero calories expended.
Why did you prefer it over the Optimus Polaris? I’m trying to decide between the two
I have not tried the Optimus
@@SurvivalOnPurpose the Whisperlite will be more reliable and last longer on unleaded gasoline before gumming up with soot and is lighter than the Optimus Polaris, but the Optimus Polaris doesn’t need jets changed in the field while under stress or pressure so less chance of losing small parts, although I doubt the jets would need to be changed much on the Whisperlite anyway. However the Optimus Polaris can allegedly burn more fuels according to the user manual and has a simmer spindle like the MSR Dragonfly has, although it can’t sustain as low a simmer as the Dragonfly before snuffing out.
The Polaris fuel hose packs down more compactly than the whisperlite hose, but the Whisperlite hose is stronger and easier to clean after using dirtier fuels like Kerosene and Unleaded due to the built in cleaning cable.
It’s all a trade-off really.
The British Marines chose the Optimus Polaris over the Whisperlite Universal, but only just, while the US military chose the MSR XGK EX which is the king on lasting a long time on dirty fuels but its limited in versatility with no simmer ability at all, no gas canister ability at all, heavier than the Whisperlite and guzzles fuel, but the basic design is very similar to the Whisperlite actually.
Whisperlite Uni and Optimus Polaris are definitely the two best most adaptable ‘all-rounders’, with the Whisperlite slightly on the side of more reliable and the Optimus slightly on the side of more versatile with simmer spindle even for liquid fuels, although the Whisperlite Uni actually simmers better on ‘upright’ canister vapor. I’m leaning more to get a Polaris as having plenty of spare parts and giving it regular maintenance will strengthen its reliability qualities imo and I would kick myself if I find I need to simmer with liquid fuels but can’t, plus, there vids on RUclips of people ‘upgrading’ their whisperlite universal by using the Optimus pump in their MSR fuel bottles, which seems to give Whisperlite Uni great simmer even with liquid fuels since the Optimus pump has a spigot in the pump and the Whisperlite also has a spigot in the fuel hose, and these two spigots used together seem to give good reliable simmer ability...but although this being done with no known problem YET for these few people who have tried this there may be some risk to this that isn’t known yet so try at your own risk of course, but it’s nice to know the pumps are directly compatible with the threads, since if someone else in the family preferred to get an Optimus Polaris you use the Optimus Pump as a backup for the whisperlite, plus many say the Optimus pumps are much better and stronger than the MSR pumps
I just purchased one for $3.99 at goodwill in north florida. No connection for canister but everything else you showed. There is braided steel cable extending beyond the brass that inserts into pump devise and this concerns me. Is that normal or a problem?? Anyone who knows for certain? 😇😊😎
That is normal. $4 is quite the deal. Congrats on that find!
Is it just the viewing angle, or does the bottle sitting a little too close to the stove? Would it be a little dangerous? Nice video though. ^_^
It seemed to turn out OK. I had them as far apart as the stump top would allow.
Is white gas the liquid used for Coleman lanterns?
yes
Can whisperlite universal burn diesel?
That is not listed as an approved fuel. So I’m not sure.
Very versatile. Took me a second to figure out how you were going to bowl water. 😬How long does it take to bowl water with the canister?
about the same. All the tech specs are on the MSR website
Hope I wasn’t outta line with that crack about bowling water.🤔
I just sold my Whisperlite. Wasn't a fan of all the management and prep out in the bush. It's also dangerous if you flood the fuel line by accident. I almost started a fire. Long story short, I sold mine and just bought the Soto Windmaster. In my opinion, a far superior build that packs much tighter in my pot kit.
I think for hiking a simple canister stove is almost always better: lighter, safer, simpler. The Whisperlite is great for very cold conditions or if you can't reliably get gas canisters.
I personally wouldn’t use it with a canister, I have separate stoves for that. I would get it for the liquid fuels. I have thought about getting one.
But youy could if you wanted to
im with you. as cheap as canister stoves are.....its better to just get a cheapy as a spare stove for that butane/propane. white gas stoves sip fuel
Get a white gas stove for boiling water & melting snow & heating up water for cleanup. Then get a small canister stove for simmering/slow cooking. Job done!
SHhhhhhhhhh Whisper Lite Umm Hmm Great Test Run, Thanks Bryan ! ATB T God Bless
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ive come to figure out, that these MSR stoves are pretty much just an ultra portable version of a green coleman camp stove, when it comes to fuel and theory of operation.
Coleman also makes a single burner portable version (model 533). On the outside, it looks like a large hiking canister stove. It's 2X heavier than the MSR. Still, they are easier to set up, use, and pack down. You also don't need to prime it before use, except in very cold weather.
Can one of the small green propane bottles work with this?
I have owned this stove for about 6 years. I would NOT try to use a propane cylinder. Don't mess around with gases. Gosh, its veristal enough as it is.
Propane is Profane. In President Trump's America we Burn Gas and Kick A$$. MAGA
@ OK Hank Hill. Longer chains of carbon = More better. Liquid fuel for the win. Gasoline for the chainsaws, diesel for the trucks/chippers, and Kero for the stoves. And of course grass-fed fats to fuel Men.
ps. Awesome screen name Mr Diggler. I almost sent you a high-five a couple days ago on another channel for your screen name alone, but due to the Kung Flu I refrained. Wanna elbow bump?
No.
ETN Rutledge I’m sure you COULD find adapters to do that but I don’t think I would. Propane is under higher pressure than butane and you could definitely run into issues. If you were looking for something cheaper than the camping canisters... you definitely could get an adapter to connect food service style butane canisters. They run at a lower pressure than isopro canisters. They are straight butane though so they perform worse outdoors in challenging conditions. I use the g-works adapter with my Primus Omnifuel. Convert Adapter, for Nozzle Bottle Type/Butane Gas Cartridge/Canister TO Screw Type Gas/Lindal Valve Canister www.amazon.com/dp/B00U2B7UYQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_ToHDEbZQ0Z4FA
LOL - So much messing about to change fuel types. Perhaps 30 years ago this was the case but today this crappy MSR stove has been left behind by better products that allow you to instantly switch white gas and canisters instantly.
And very importantly it’s at least partially made in the good ole USA!
Yep
It will work with Diesel also
good to know
good to know
And Jet A, no doubt.
"Crown" brand camp fuel is as good as Coleman fuel, and nowadays, cheaper. I'd definitely skip MSR's "Superfuel", as it's a ripoff at $13/qt. Local Wally world here has Crown at just under $9/gal. If you have denatured alcohol, it will provide a nice, clean preheat, without sooting.
True, but since MSR sent me the stove to review I thought it would be rude to use a different brand.
This won’t work well at high altitudes. It must be propane gas canisters or else white fuel heating won’t work. I learned in the hard way myself.
To complicated Brian, you need a degree in engineering, my Coleman dual fuel, a Chinese wood stove, and a $10 Chinese ultralight gas stove covers all options, AND I don’t have to take out a second mortgage, take care and thanks for sharing, 😃👍
BUt you also have 3 stoves instead one. Different strokes
Survival On Purpose, was looking at a guy how has 18 stoves, BUT you can only use one at a time, so it’s whatever is best at the time, still better than one stove and loads of extras 😃
@@SurvivalOnPurpose Brian, perhaps Cliff Davies is heeding the "don't put all your eggs in one basket" advice, and all I can say is, something happens to the one stove you have, time to chop up firewood, right? I'm thinking along the lines of us still being at home, with no electric.
So super expensive, huge, complicated, and requires 2 minute warm-up? You sold me the PocketRocket...
Maybe, but it runs on a few different fuels, which may be a benefit in some situations.
@@SurvivalOnPurpose
I have a omnifuel which can run diesel.
I still only use it with clean white gas.
With everything else you get tons of sooth on your cookware and stove and it can block the burner.
really only any good if you have a storage of fuel wood gas stoves burns twigs sticks and most bio fuels you can collect in woods or trash cans
I think theres to many parts. The old brass primus was much simpler.🤔
The trouble with this stove is if you are boiling something, the water boils over the pan and puts the flame out
Sportsman guides in trouble their price gouging go to Kato boy 32 I'm computer and got it recorded
You are thinking about Cheaper Than Dirt. NOT Sportsman's Guide!
@@SurvivalOnPurpose you're right I'm sorry God bless have fun
Survival On Purpose ha!
lol i gues thats a vent
Just stop playing around and show you can cook something...
I have both the White gas and Universal versions. Both clogged soon after purchase. Total garbage! Do not buy!