Why use a liquid fuel stove in the winter
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I have used liquid "white gas" and gas canister stoves a lot in the winter as part of an "ultralight" system. When you need to melt a lot of snow it’s hard to beat the reliability of liquid fuel!
Canister stoves are appealing because of how convenient they seem to be. I have an MSR WindPro which is an excellent stove and performs comparably to my MSR Whisperlite and MSR Dragonfly. HOWEVER, the canisters themselves are pretty heavy, expensive and pretty wasteful. Once you are used to white gas stoves, the marketing that is put into canister stoves becomes fairly apparent. They may not be sexy or have fancy features, but they work!
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For three season backpacking I am a UL backpacker and I use either BRS or a Soto stove. My base weight is about eight pounds. Come cold weather I am not so focused on pack weight but being safe and comfortable. I am in my 60’s so MSR and white gas is how I roll come late November or so. The White Mountains of NH get very cold very fast. Back in the day I used multiple white gas stoves even in good weather. I used a MSR multi fuel stove for many years and never had a single issue. I would perform maintenance on it with the seal kit they used to sell and things just always worked. I don’t like sleeping with my fuel tanks and all that nonsense. You are giving very good advice, just get a MSR stove and a big pot and your good to go. Another thing is in the warmer weather I do much bigger days but come winter I am just happy to be out so big miles are not a thing for me. Take care
Great input Scott. I'm pretty familiar with the Whites since I'm originally from Montreal. One of my first real winter camping trips was sleeping out on Lion's Head on Mt Washington in January or February - probably 2000 or 2001. My buddy snapped a pole on a MH Trango 2 while we were packing up. That stuck with me since no matter how "great" your gear is, it can quickly become useless even if it's a bomb-proof 10 pound mountaineering tent.
@@KaneDoesOutdoors So true. My first winter trip in 1992 I hike in about 4.5 miles made camp and after an hour or so packed up and hiked out. I was so unprepared, I was going to have miserable night. I leaned a lot and it never happens again. Take care
Helpful sharing my friend! Lot of love and respect from a solo mountain hiker from the Lower Chitral District of Pakistan!
For summer I happy to use the Soto Windmaster (can Gas). Great explanation and you have most certainly convinced me for my winter mountain wild camping in UK the MSR Whisperlite white gas is the one for me. Thankyou Kane for making up my mind! Liked and Subscribe.
Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated! It should be pretty easy to find a used Whisperlite, I them for sale all the time.
Yeah I bought the whisperlite for the winter this year, it's worked out fantastic for me so far
Nice! I got the Whisperlite to replace my 20+ year old Dragonfly. I was getting concerned that the fuel line might be getting a little old and the cost of shipping it out to the US to replace that part was almost the same as buying new...
The Whisperlite is sooo much more quiet! Uses the same amount of fuel also!
@@KaneDoesOutdoors Nice! I got the universal one so I can convert it if I need to 👌🏼
I agree, a WhisperLite is my go to stove. Yes I have pocket rockets and other canister stoves but in harsh conditions they suffer. White gas stoves are a bit of a learning curve but when things get rough, that’s the stove you want.
I grew up using an optimus 8R so the MSR stoves were a pretty quick learning curve. The canister stoves are just easy in terms of prep, no risk of spills or pump issues. Apparently the lindal valves can fail though.
Yeah I used a borrowed jetboil for my trip this last week, snow melting/water boiling was a pain.... .5-.75 L for each full pot... ordered a msr xgk n 2.7L pot to start practicing with for my next trip
I’ve heard other people say these things except being rough on the stove. Totally true and I bet everyone is. Everything is more difficult n snow and cold. You get clumsy, tired , in a hurry and stuff happens. It’s a lot more work. People also bring up pot size which the bigger stove handles better, that is basically more rough also.
Stoves have it rough in the winter. On full days it's running for minimum 1 hr at max just melting snow. Often 1.5 hrs. There's a reason the XGK is what people use on polar expeditions, but the sound of bell burners can drive you crazy. The Whisperlite is almost silent in comparison.
I agree 💯
Argee completely. Remote feed is also safer when running the stove for extended snow melting sessions, fuel bottle reuse is more environmental, you can use multiple fuels when traveling to minimize cost/availability issues, and stability, strength, and field serviceability are optimized!
MSR International. Well done. Nothing like having a little white gas on hand if you need to set a fire in a hurry too. (Had to get a fire started quick one night (more like 3 AM) to run out a coyote one year.) Sure was grateful to have white gas on hand that year.
I’ve used an upright canister stove as a blowtorch many times to get a fire going in a hurry! Whatever works!
Can you burn in your liquid fuel stove white gas and cook inside your tent safely? Also if you want to warm up your tent can you heat it up with a liquid stove burning white gas? Comparing to a canister stove which of them has the best safety record or least amount of accidents? Thanks for a great video!
Don’t use either a liquid fuel or canister stove inside a tent it’s not safe. The vestibule is the limit for moderately safe cooking but you’ll see pictures of people who melted the tent fly. Certainly not for heating or warming your tent. They produce carbon monoxide.
Practical story, yes it works! Love my optimus 8r ,until i bought a msr whisperlite, 30 years ago...now i bought a svea 123 , just for fun...( I am 65 now) best fuel bottle now is the trangia...no, it's the cap!! With that cap you don't need a funnel...
My father had an Optimus 8r, he might actually still have it. I remember using it on our early trips. Awesome design. I like the look of the svea 123 also! I’ve thought about getting one for fun also 🤣
Interesting.
Ya know? I usually use my vegetable steamer stick stove fire pit for my summer moto-camp but I have been thinking of getting a gas stove for those quick morning coffee and go times, even though I usually go camping to enjoy the slow paced morning cooking. I have been torn whether to buy the canister stoves, or the liquid fuel types. What makes the stoves liquid fuel or gas burning different?
I mean the liquid fuel has to be converted to gas in order to burn, right? So is there an adaptor for the conventional stove to burn liquid fuel?
By the way, very informative video. You've gained a sub.
Correct, liquid fuel stoves have a component called the generator that vaporize the fuel to gas. On models like the old school svea or optimus hiker, or the newer stoves like the dragonfly or xgk, fuel vaporizes directly in the bell shaped burner which acts directly as a generator. Stoves like the Whisperlite or a classic coleman camp stove run a fuel line over the burner as a gas generator.
In addition, most of these stoves also require a pump to pressurize the fuel bottle. Stoves like the svea 123 or optimus hiker + don't need a pump because the fuel tank is close enough to the burner to be pressurized by heating when the stove is running. I grew up using an old optimus hiker that my father got in the 60s or 70s, great little stove but can be a pain to start.
A little gas canister stove like an MSR pocket rocket could be a great option for you. The problem with those is the canisters aren't cheap and you end up with a pile of partly filled cans. I'm thinking of trying a svea 123 for short trips and nostalgia!
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Wonderfully explained sir! I thank you for taking the time out of your day for this thoughtful, and informative explanation.
After reading this I googled the stoves that you mentioned and got myself two stoves. For the warmer weather I got the Soto G2 st-320 and for the winter camps I got the BRS Booster +1 multifuel stove, which comes with the bottle, pump, and cleaning kit. Both of these are cheaper than the MSR stove combined. Thanks to you, I have chosen these two because of the well-explained reply.
Thanks again!
Hi question for msr canister wind pro 2 in liquid mode. Any ideas on how cold you can still run the stove? I am looking at a longer hike in nh whites and am trying to cut down. Looking at 15 deg F mostlikely although lasy year it was 0 or 5 deg F. Normally i use msr whisper light or xgk with white gas. For this trip we have good water sources so not melting snow exc. For what its worth 100% agree any time i am melting snow i go for xgk the tube is just bigger then whisperlight and its never failed me. White gas is really under rated and seems to be out of style but people who actually winter camp love them. Thanks.
I haven't seen a lower limit. If you look at this trip, the second night we hit -30C (-20F) and Justin was using a Whisperlite Universal with canisters in inverted mode without any problems ruclips.net/video/ForTbaAkLJU/видео.html
When you run the stove with an inverted canister the fuel is being converted to gas in a heated generator portion of the fuel line. That means you are relying on the pressure from the canister, not the ability of a fuel to gasify based on the boiling point & ambient temps. The other benefit is that you're burning the fuel mix and not ending up with 100% butane in the can which is what happens when you're below -1C and running the canister upright.
If you're looking to save weight, just remember to factor in the weight of the empty steel canisters. They add up quick whereas liquid fuel bottles are aluminum. For shorter trips the WindPro wins, but once you get to 4-5 days it evens out and then liquid fuel is lighter. A big jug of coleman fuel is pretty cheap as well...
@KaneDoesOutdoors thanks. Great information on lower Temps makes me feel better about the choice. Maybe I should have specified longer in terms of daily miles but only 3 day trip. Will be fun to see how it all plays out. Either way we have good trail mix so stove is a nice to have this trip.
Don't you have to take extra precautions to prevent the gas vapors from permeating into your backpack gear? Or do you use an exterior pouch of pack to carry the white gas?
Sometimes there is a bit of residual fuel in the connection between the fuel line and the pump on. I depressurize the bottle and then give it a good shake to empty that connection. By the time I pack up, evaporation has taken care of the rest. I've never had any problems in over 20 years using the Dragonfly. The Whisperlite is newer for me but given its history of use there shouldn't be a problem either. It's definitely quieter than the Drangonfly - so far so good.
MSR recommends depressurizing the fuel bottle before packing it with the pump. If you've ever forgotten to depressurized you'll have noticed that it holds pressure for a pretty long time, telling me the seals are good. Obviously it's not recommended to pack a pressurized bottle since the Whisperlite doesn't have a safety valve in the pump-fuel line connection like the Dragonfly, and if the valve opened you would get a mess. But overall I haven't had and vapor issues.
I store my msr bottles in a long zip lock bag so never worry about white gas residue.
Do you keep the pump in the bottle?
You need a special adapter to transfer gas from one canister to the other, costs ca. 15 euros.
Got one a few weeks ago.