Churchill: Mountbatten was the adopted name your husband took when he became a British citizen. His real name was Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg of the royal houses of Denmark and Norway and latterly of Greece. Elizabeth: And "Windsor" is the name of a castle my grandfather adopted for his family during WWI, to avoid reminding a country at war with Germany that he himself was German--at the same time as my husband's grandfather adopted the name "Mountbatten." My "real" name is Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. So what's the difference, really? 😂
@Myne1001 Thanks. I did my best to reproduce what I thought I was hearing, but my hearing probably isn't perfect and my knowledge of Danish and Norwegian phonetics is pretty much non-existent. 😅
The point was not what the name used to be, but that by changing the Windsor name it was giving Lord Louis Mountbatten too much power. According to the series, at least, it was Louis who convinced Phillip to insist on changing the name.
She did asked him to sit before, but Winston declined as it was considered a waste of time, a practice started by Queen Victoria, to have them stand like Privy Counselors to make the meetings brief. But she did away with it anyway.
Not bad for a 6’4” American. Mr. Lithgow was quite remarkable especially since his body type is completely the opposite of Churchill. His baritone voice is also more resonant than the real subject. I think he justly deserved his Emmy for the role. Gary Oldman was a bit closer to the physical presentation of the real thing, but John achieved his transformation without pounds of latex make-up.
The British bits. How he seemed to the British. There were others watching, others affected, too. Let it pass without comment here. Forgive, never forget.
In fact, the change of the name of the royal family after the rule of a female monarch was not at all unprecedented in the UK. When Queen Victoria married Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, she kept her original surname as a member of the house of Hannover, however, it was never put into question that her children by Prince Albert would bear his surname Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. Same with the residence. In the past, it has always been the monarch's decision where to take up official residence. For example, Buckingham Palace didn't become the official residence up until the rule of Queen Victoria. Before that, her predecessors had always chosen their favourite residence. George III. for example purchased and lived in Buckingham Palace (at the time called Buckingham house) even though the official residence was St. James Palace which he only used for formal occasions (St. James Palace is actually still official residence, not Buckingham Palace). William IV. lived in neither of the two palaces but Clarence house, only using Buckingham Palace for formal occasions (actually, Clarence house IS part of the complex of St. James's Palace, so you could say that Queen Elizabeth II. would've been using the actual official residence, had she stayed there).
I believe the seemingly over-conservative attitude shown by the government and the senior members of the royal family during Elizabeth II's early reign are a result of the effect Edward VIII's abdication had in the establishment. It came pretty close to making the whole thing crumble at a time where the monarchy was way stronger than it is today. So it's not out of the question that the people that had to clean that mess wanted to avoid as much instability as possible afterwards, even if it involved dismissing precedent.
The irony is that Queen Mary's own paternal family, the Tecks only got their own name (and titles) after her father Francis's cousin, the King of Wuttemberg took pity on Francis for being the product of a morganatic union between a prince of Wuttemberg and a Hungarian noblewoman. IOW, while Francis was considered technically legit because his own mother was somewhat down the food chain, he had no rights to inherit the Wuttemberg throne. Anyway, it wound up that the King of Wuttemberg dusted off this long-defunct title of Teck, then had Francis made a Prince then a Duke of Teck right about the time that Prussia was overwhelming all these tiny kingdoms, duchies and principalities scattered about the boundaries of the long dissolved Holy Roman Empire to make them part of the Prussia-dominated German Empire (and at the end of WWI all the royals and nobles within had their titles declared legally invalid). And, in Great Britain, the Tecks were given the surname of Cambridge from their mother's side (Francis's wife had been born Princess Mary Adelaide of Cambridge to the one of the younger sons of George III). IOW, for all of Queen Mary's sniffing, even before the name change, the Tecks/Cambridges had little if any more royal clout or direct royal heritage than the Battenbergs/Mounbattens (descended from a morganantic union between a Grand Duke of Hesse's brother and a Polish born lady-in-waiting)
They call it received English or BBC English. It was invented to give Britain a single accent everyone could understand. And yes, it is a marvelously beautiful language.
@@DCFunBud My mother was English - she was raised in Surrey. I was born and raised in Australia. Presumably due to my mother, I find all British accents of England pleasant to the ear and easy to understand. I don't find American accents pleasant or so easy to understand. Received English is not an invented or artificial accent. It is what arose in certain prestiguous public schools about 100 years ago, and is what naturally resulted from mixing boys of well-to-do parents with university classically educated teachers. Somewhat similar to a university accent I acquired on attending university in Australia (which over the years I have lost) Received English pronunciation was adopted by the BBC as they thought pre-war it was their role to educate and improve the British population, and make their radio stations recognisable from other broadcasters. A somewhat similar view was held by the equivalent ABC in Australia, who broadcast classical music all day that nobody listened to, and taught their presenters to speak a sort of "correct" educated Australian accent. I do agree that Recieved English is a marvelous beautiful accent, and the actress in this video clip speaks it very well. However, in real life the younger Queen spoke a different accent, which comedians made fun of, as did my mother - sometimes saying "Mai husband and eye ....." and "ears" for yes if she thought you were putting on airs.
It’s interesting that The Queen was told she must move from Clarence House (which is only a stone’s throw away) to Buckingham Palace because the monarch must live in BP and, now, King Charles lives in Clarence House and BP is used for royal business. I realize that this is due to BP being under large scale renovations to the heating and plumbing (I believe) but the result is the same: he’s proven that it can be done with no problem. Even still, I suspect he will move into BP once the work is completed.
I very much suspect that the renovations are just a convenient excuse for him not to move. Clarence House was first his family home, then his grandmother's, and now his. BTW, Danish monarchs live in homes similar to Clarence House, while the large, lavish palace in the centre of Copenhagen is used only for ceremonies, not as a residence.
well, there are 70 years between the time of this scene and now, it's not comparable. Charles wouldn't be king and married with a divorced woman at that time to start with
Well while His Majesty doesn't want to live in Buckingham Palace I do believe eventually maybe even next year will move in to Buckingham Palace rather he likes it or not IT IS where the monarch should live
@@orihimeinoue7597Currenly, yes. He lived there as Prince of Wales after the Queen mother died. Buckingham Palace remains the official residence and the place where official royal busi ess takes place.
It was rather progressive that the Prime Minister was telling her that her career and position should be her priority, rather than pleasing/serving her husband's personal, egotistical needs. She made the right decision.
She was given that advice not as a female individual but as the head of British dominions. Churchill pushes her to exercise control over her husband in the name of duty in spite of her marital connection to Phillip.
In her case, it was not progressive at all. ruling Queens - even in earlier centuries - were not meant to submit to their husbands but put their duty first. It was one of the few exceptions. Even Queen Victoria herself described her position as Queen, who was technically her husbands superior as an anomaly.
I never knew that keeping the Windsor name was forced on Elizabeth by the government. I always thought it was her idea. Now, since she seems to have won this round, she was obviously forced to accept it later on. It's my opinion that Charles should change it back to Mountbatten. The fact that it is an adopted British name to get away from an original Germanic one is irrelevant, so is Windsor, the original name having been Saxe-Coburg und Gotha, from the time of the marriage of Victoria of Hanover to Prince Albert.
More of a yes and no thing. When Elizabeth became Queen, Philips uncle, Lord Mountbatten, declared (with some glee) that the House of Mountbatten now reigned. This displeased Queen Mary who informed Churchill, then Churchill advised The Queen to issue a Royal Proclamation that the royal house was to remain the House of Windsor which she did.
@@madabbafan Side note on Mountbatten. After he received the surrender of Jap troops in Singapore, a road was named in his honor. Subsequently because of the location, a constituency seat in the area was also named Mountbatten。 Both the road and the seat still exist. 😊😊 Kind of strange since Mountbattern did not really seem to done anything of significance in Singapore. He did not reconquer Singapore from the Japs and was not a Singapore-based administrator. 😁😁
@@madabbafan Lord Louis was a megalomaniac, Even after he cost the empire India. I have to say that the casting Of Mount Batten in the crown, Greg Wise Looked astoundingly like his subject.
@@thevenusian1314 Only for the younger children and their descendants. King Charles is still a Windsor. If I were him, I would try to get it changed back to Mountbatten. The argument against th name Mountbatten applies equally to Windsor. It is just a made up name to replace Saxe Coburg und Gotha.
Did Churchill not realize that Charles could do whatever he wanted when e became King … which Churchill had to know would happen long after he was dead
The queen was in her 20s, and Charles was a toddler. His decision making powers were still decades away. This was about the now. If something happened to Elizabeth while Charles was still young, the next adult in line would be regent. In this case it would have been Margaret.
Was Churchill the only PM who “insisted” on kissing the back of Elizabeth’s hand? As he had her father. I don’t believe Eden or MacMillan continued this practice. Anyone know?
The term 'kissing of hands' when a new PM is appointed is not meant to be taken literally. It is more likely to date back to Henry VIII when he made himself head of the church of England (tradition was to kiss the ring on a bishop's left hand). Lets face it, could you imagine Queen Victoria alowing Gladstone (whom she did not like at all) that close to her?
Hard to believe this conversation took place as presented. The British Royals conveniently changed their official last name from the Germanic SAXE COBERG-GOETHE, to the more British-sounding WINDSOR, out of fear of public backlash over their Cousin the KAISER’S part in WWI. (Rejected their Other Cousins, the ROMANOVS, pleas for asylum for the same reason.) QUEEN VICTORIA and PRINCE ALBERT perpetuated quite a bloodline there.😂
I love this series but because of the acting most of these private meetings were done in absolute privacy Therefore, must of those dialogs between the Queen and her family members as well as politicians' advisors and friends are for the most part at the discretion of the series writers based on historical timing evens but not necessarily the truth of what happened and said during those important evens.
@@mayonnnnnaise I had to re read the comments to remember what I'd opined on. I don't believe I was arguing that it's better, just my opinion that I enjoyed his performance more in the Crown.
I cannot believe in real life Queen Elizabeth did not have the very elderly Churchill sit before beginning any discussions. In fact I find it very unlikely she had any Prime Ministers stand for long. It is just too petty and rude an action for her and she knew she owed them respect and good manners just as they owed her respect and good manners. 9/10/23
In the previous episode, The Queen invited Churchill to sit and have tea. Churchill declined and explained to her the tradition of the monarch making ministers stand during privy council meetings so they can keep it brief. It was one of the first things Churchill taught young Elizabeth as her first prime minister.
The last name Windsor is historic and respectful I detest even the mention of the name being Mountbatten. The dynasty is still Windsor but the name was sadly, eventually, hyphenated to be Mountbatten-Windsor, something that should never have happened, both should still be Windsor.
For those on the male line who are lower down on the line of sucession, yes (eg the winger's children). Other than that it is either Windsor or in the case of Prince William's children they would now take the surname 'Wales' after their father's highest ranking title.
The Queen exercises her powers. But she was forced to give Philip the surname of Windsor, not retain the surname of Mountbatten. And the royal family was forced out of Clarence House to Buckingham Palace as their main residence. So, is it really exercising power if you, as sovereign, demand things and they don't happen?
Wasn't the Queen Mother living at Clarence House? I thought you didn't really touch your lips to the lady's hand, rather you put your thumb on top and actually kissed it.
Depends on how early on in the Queen's reign this is, we know it was before her corronation. They would have lived at Clarence House whilst her father was still alive. After she became Queen there would have been a time where the Queen mother was still at Buckingham Palace and The Queen and Philip were still at Clarance House. After the corronation they would have switched.
You mean HE DIDN'T. I honestly don't think she cared that much and just pretended to so that Prince Phillip would be happy. But at the end of the day even that wasn't worth her nobility
After Churchill's death she was partially sucessfull with Mountbatten. She made a decree and approved by Parliament her descendants will use the surname Mountbatten-Windsor. Anne used it on her wedding certificate. William and Catherine used it for their lawsuit of a French Magazine and The Sussexes' children surname is Mounbatten-Windsor. Churchill never liked Philip from the start and Louis Mountbatten wasn't discreet with his ambitions.
@@einezcrespo2107 WILL AND KATE SHOULDN´T USE WINDSOR NOR MOUNTBATTEN ! AS WILL IS THE BASTARD OF DIANA AND HER TENNIS COACH (HARRYS FATHER IS HER STABLEMASTER) THEREFORE HE IS NOT RELATED WITH THE HOUSE OF WINDSOR AT ALL!
Except that those things didn’t happen….until Andrew was born. Andrew and Edward are Mountbatten Windsor but Charles and Anne are not. They moved into Buckingham Palace.
Nobody even ever uses the name "Windsor". I first heard of it a few years ago, before it was simply "the british royal family". It literally wouldn't have mattered at all, let's be honest.
The same goes for most disputes on "the Crown". Despite being a pro monarchy show the overarching message one receives is how irelevant the monarchy is as the show trumps up the importance of incredibly trival, pedantic and symbolic issues.
In Spanish culture, children take the patrilineal surname but the matrilineal surname exist as a secondary surname. ("Fidel Castro Ruz, son of Ángel Castro and Lina Ruz") Outside of Western culture, the concept of a married woman having to change her family name may not even exist. If they do, it's likely to be a much recent Western import. 😊😊 To the best of my knowledge, pre-Western-influenced-East Asian cultures do not have such a practice. A married woman is usually referred in 3rd person using her own family name. A most famous example being Empress Wu who married into the Li clan of the Tang imperial household. In some cultures, the patrynomic ("Katerina Vladimirova, "Raghad bt Saddam") is more important for both genders. Family names either do not exist or is more like a wider tribal clan name.
This should be the norm . When the woman carries the child for 9 months , when the woman take all the pains to birth the child and has the most contribution in raising the child then why the surname should be patrilineal!
The Royal house became Mountbatten-Windsor officially some years later, so the Queen prevailed-a delayed victory but she won. Lost Clarence House but Charles is now doing as his parents wished back when he was 4 years old- Buck house is the office and he and Camilla live at Clarence House. He was not a 25-year-old young woman when he got the crown so if the suits in gray try to deny him this, he can tell them to stuff it. Elizabeth mastered the art of getting her way With steel in velvet glove over her many decades of reign. But at the start and probably for the first 10 years, she got bulldozed by the courtiers and the parliament because they viewed her as a young and sheltered girl they could push around.
Oh dear, now you sound like Harry. In what way would changing the name of the royal house to Spencer be appropriate? Diana was the female line. There already is a house of Spencer, presided over by Earl Charles Spencer at Althorp. One of England’s oldest noble families. The name has to stay with him.
This series is an excellent tutorial for why the British need to get rid of this institution. Birth should never be a prerequisite for power and influence. Merit, intelligence and talent should rule, not an uneducated gaggle of mediocrities. The idea that Churchill had to kowtow to Elizabeth is ridiculous.
It is God who establishes leaders of nations...call them kings, queens, emperors, prime ministers, presidents, chairmen, or whatever. It is plainly obvious that God moved an entire blood line to establish Elizabeth to her reign for 70 years. While the politicians of the UK created uncertainty and difficulties for the nation, the monarchy provided stability. Such a system would not work well anywhere else in the world, but for 70 years, it was exactly what the UK needed to navigate the ebbs and tides of the world. Times are changing. Charles is not his mother. I see a sharp decline in the Monarchy's influence and credibility over time.
If you look at the standard of politicians today, in Britain and abroad, the standard is abysmal. The monarchy is like the rider of a horse, where the horse is the Ship of State - there are times when you give the horse it's head, and tyhere are times when you guide, or apply the brakes. The skill is knowing exactly when to be which - and for that there is no Marxist-run university course - you need someone drenched in the meaning of power from birth. It is not always perfect, but for a thousand years, it has seen Britain through thick and thin. Think of the Blitz in London, when King George VI stayed at Buckinghan Palace, when he could easily have moved to the country. That kind of example had a huge and positive impact on The People, and helped steady them as the bombs were falling. /
@seanwebb605 Y'all must be hearing wrong because I don't have sexual "partners". I have a WIFE. So, on that basis, you clearly know fuq all about me. Pleb.
John Lithgow as Churchill is an absolute triumph of a performance.
Lithgow was always a tremendous actor.
@@kittykatz4001For sure!
Churchill: Mountbatten was the adopted name your husband took when he became a British citizen. His real name was Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg of the royal houses of Denmark and Norway and latterly of Greece.
Elizabeth: And "Windsor" is the name of a castle my grandfather adopted for his family during WWI, to avoid reminding a country at war with Germany that he himself was German--at the same time as my husband's grandfather adopted the name "Mountbatten." My "real" name is Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. So what's the difference, really? 😂
Although true she is the 32nd great granddaughter of King Alfred the Great of House Wessex. She could call herself that if she wanted to.
*Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg
@Myne1001 Thanks. I did my best to reproduce what I thought I was hearing, but my hearing probably isn't perfect and my knowledge of Danish and Norwegian phonetics is pretty much non-existent. 😅
@@harringt100 no worries its quite the mouthful of a name
The point was not what the name used to be, but that by changing the Windsor name it was giving Lord Louis Mountbatten too much power. According to the series, at least, it was Louis who convinced Phillip to insist on changing the name.
“ no you will inform the cabinet “
John Lithgow has proven himself an excellent actor with this role.
John is fantastic in everything he's done
They all are extraordinary performers John of course is a very accomplished actor love his acting.
Specially in the 3rd Rock from the sun
John Lithgow proved himself an incredible actor LONG BEFORE THIS. Watch him in Twilight Zone the movie.
John has always been a great actor imo.😊
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She did asked him to sit before, but Winston declined as it was considered a waste of time, a practice started by Queen Victoria, to have them stand like Privy Counselors to make the meetings brief. But she did away with it anyway.
Lithgow nailed the Churchill portrayal.
I agree but I still think it's funny that Lithgow was 10 inches taller than Churchill.
@@123j4j yes. Even more remarkable.
Not bad for a 6’4” American. Mr. Lithgow was quite remarkable especially since his body type is completely the opposite of Churchill. His baritone voice is also more resonant than the real subject. I think he justly deserved his Emmy for the role. Gary Oldman was a bit closer to the physical presentation of the real thing, but John achieved his transformation without pounds of latex make-up.
The British bits.
How he seemed to the British.
There were others watching, others affected, too.
Let it pass without comment here. Forgive, never forget.
@@indrajitgupta3280 comment.
In fact, the change of the name of the royal family after the rule of a female monarch was not at all unprecedented in the UK. When Queen Victoria married Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, she kept her original surname as a member of the house of Hannover, however, it was never put into question that her children by Prince Albert would bear his surname Saxe-Coburg and Gotha.
Same with the residence. In the past, it has always been the monarch's decision where to take up official residence. For example, Buckingham Palace didn't become the official residence up until the rule of Queen Victoria. Before that, her predecessors had always chosen their favourite residence. George III. for example purchased and lived in Buckingham Palace (at the time called Buckingham house) even though the official residence was St. James Palace which he only used for formal occasions (St. James Palace is actually still official residence, not Buckingham Palace). William IV. lived in neither of the two palaces but Clarence house, only using Buckingham Palace for formal occasions (actually, Clarence house IS part of the complex of St. James's Palace, so you could say that Queen Elizabeth II. would've been using the actual official residence, had she stayed there).
I believe the seemingly over-conservative attitude shown by the government and the senior members of the royal family during Elizabeth II's early reign are a result of the effect Edward VIII's abdication had in the establishment.
It came pretty close to making the whole thing crumble at a time where the monarchy was way stronger than it is today. So it's not out of the question that the people that had to clean that mess wanted to avoid as much instability as possible afterwards, even if it involved dismissing precedent.
"this Battenberg nonsense" as Queen Mary rightly said.
The irony is that Queen Mary's own paternal family, the Tecks only got their own name (and titles) after her father Francis's cousin, the King of Wuttemberg took pity on Francis for being the product of a morganatic union between a prince of Wuttemberg and a Hungarian noblewoman. IOW, while Francis was considered technically legit because his own mother was somewhat down the food chain, he had no rights to inherit the Wuttemberg throne. Anyway, it wound up that the King of Wuttemberg dusted off this long-defunct title of Teck, then had Francis made a Prince then a Duke of Teck right about the time that Prussia was overwhelming all these tiny kingdoms, duchies and principalities scattered about the boundaries of the long dissolved Holy Roman Empire to make them part of the Prussia-dominated German Empire (and at the end of WWI all the royals and nobles within had their titles declared legally invalid). And, in Great Britain, the Tecks were given the surname of Cambridge from their mother's side (Francis's wife had been born Princess Mary Adelaide of Cambridge to the one of the younger sons of George III).
IOW, for all of Queen Mary's sniffing, even before the name change, the Tecks/Cambridges had little if any more royal clout or direct royal heritage than the Battenbergs/Mounbattens (descended from a morganantic union between a Grand Duke of Hesse's brother and a Polish born lady-in-waiting)
the way he says "greece" 😂
Great scene. Makes me want to watch the series again.
I would consider it very impressive if she didn't cave on both of those points. It's not like she actually got what she wanted.
Same.
English is such a beautiful language when spoken well.
They call it received English or BBC English. It was invented to give Britain a single accent everyone could understand. And yes, it is a marvelously beautiful language.
It rarely is spoken well in England.
Music.
@@DCFunBud My mother was English - she was raised in Surrey. I was born and raised in Australia. Presumably due to my mother, I find all British accents of England pleasant to the ear and easy to understand. I don't find American accents pleasant or so easy to understand.
Received English is not an invented or artificial accent. It is what arose in certain prestiguous public schools about 100 years ago, and is what naturally resulted from mixing boys of well-to-do parents with university classically educated teachers. Somewhat similar to a university accent I acquired on attending university in Australia (which over the years I have lost)
Received English pronunciation was adopted by the BBC as they thought pre-war it was their role to educate and improve the British population, and make their radio stations recognisable from other broadcasters. A somewhat similar view was held by the equivalent ABC in Australia, who broadcast classical music all day that nobody listened to, and taught their presenters to speak a sort of "correct" educated Australian accent.
I do agree that Recieved English is a marvelous beautiful accent, and the actress in this video clip speaks it very well. However, in real life the younger Queen spoke a different accent, which comedians made fun of, as did my mother - sometimes saying "Mai husband and eye ....." and "ears" for yes if she thought you were putting on airs.
@@DCFunBud also known as R.P.Received pronunciation.
It’s interesting that The Queen was told she must move from Clarence House (which is only a stone’s throw away) to Buckingham Palace because the monarch must live in BP and, now, King Charles lives in Clarence House and BP is used for royal business. I realize that this is due to BP being under large scale renovations to the heating and plumbing (I believe) but the result is the same: he’s proven that it can be done with no problem. Even still, I suspect he will move into BP once the work is completed.
I very much suspect that the renovations are just a convenient excuse for him not to move. Clarence House was first his family home, then his grandmother's, and now his. BTW, Danish monarchs live in homes similar to Clarence House, while the large, lavish palace in the centre of Copenhagen is used only for ceremonies, not as a residence.
@@peter7936 it must be a pain to live in BP, with how huge the damn place is...
well, there are 70 years between the time of this scene and now, it's not comparable. Charles wouldn't be king and married with a divorced woman at that time to start with
Well while His Majesty doesn't want to live in Buckingham Palace I do believe eventually maybe even next year will move in to Buckingham Palace rather he likes it or not IT IS where the monarch should live
The monarch did live at Clarence House in the end…..only it was Charles III 👑🇬🇧
@@orihimeinoue7597Currenly, yes. He lived there as Prince of Wales after the Queen mother died. Buckingham Palace remains the official residence and the place where official royal busi ess takes place.
“And we used to be Saxe-Coburg-Gotha, the British aristocracy is surprisingly not British”
Churchill looks like he just got a dressing down from nanny, lol
It was rather progressive that the Prime Minister was telling her that her career and position should be her priority, rather than pleasing/serving her husband's personal, egotistical needs. She made the right decision.
She was given that advice not as a female individual but as the head of British dominions. Churchill pushes her to exercise control over her husband in the name of duty in spite of her marital connection to Phillip.
@@barlasaydin5608 Not to mention, he just wants her to give up pleasing one man to please another. And she's more interested in pleasing her husband.
Nevermind that the greatest monarch in British history was a woman that, coincidentally, she shares a first name with.
@@harringt100 Churchill wanted to her prioritize her duty to the monarchy and country over her husband's ego.
In her case, it was not progressive at all. ruling Queens - even in earlier centuries - were not meant to submit to their husbands but put their duty first. It was one of the few exceptions. Even Queen Victoria herself described her position as Queen, who was technically her husbands superior as an anomaly.
I never knew that keeping the Windsor name was forced on Elizabeth by the government. I always thought it was her idea. Now, since she seems to have won this round, she was obviously forced to accept it later on. It's my opinion that Charles should change it back to Mountbatten. The fact that it is an adopted British name to get away from an original Germanic one is irrelevant, so is Windsor, the original name having been Saxe-Coburg und Gotha, from the time of the marriage of Victoria of Hanover to Prince Albert.
More of a yes and no thing. When Elizabeth became Queen, Philips uncle, Lord Mountbatten, declared (with some glee) that the House of Mountbatten now reigned. This displeased Queen Mary who informed Churchill, then Churchill advised The Queen to issue a Royal Proclamation that the royal house was to remain the House of Windsor which she did.
@@madabbafan Side note on Mountbatten. After he received the surrender of Jap troops in Singapore, a road was named in his honor. Subsequently because of the location, a constituency seat in the area was also named Mountbatten。
Both the road and the seat still exist. 😊😊
Kind of strange since Mountbattern did not really seem to done anything of significance in Singapore. He did not reconquer Singapore from the Japs and was not a Singapore-based administrator. 😁😁
@@madabbafan Lord Louis was a megalomaniac, Even after he cost the empire India. I have to say that the casting Of Mount Batten in the crown, Greg Wise Looked astoundingly like his subject.
It's actually hyphenated now as Mountbatten-Windsor
@@thevenusian1314 Only for the younger children and their descendants. King Charles is still a Windsor. If I were him, I would try to get it changed back to Mountbatten. The argument against th name Mountbatten applies equally to Windsor. It is just a made up name to replace Saxe Coburg und Gotha.
The rogue prince at it again.
Knowledge is power
Claire Foy = me watching this show. When she left, it became drier than paint. Five episodes in were my limit.
The episodes with Diana have been very good maybe skip to S5:)
s4 is better than s5. Much better Charles and Diana than their next actors.@@valr1260
Did Churchill not realize that Charles could do whatever he wanted when e became King … which Churchill had to know would happen long after he was dead
The queen was in her 20s, and Charles was a toddler. His decision making powers were still decades away. This was about the now. If something happened to Elizabeth while Charles was still young, the next adult in line would be regent. In this case it would have been Margaret.
Very nice of the scene here.
Was Churchill the only PM who “insisted” on kissing the back of Elizabeth’s hand? As he had her father. I don’t believe Eden or MacMillan continued this practice. Anyone know?
they did the weird handshake...on the show at least
The term 'kissing of hands' when a new PM is appointed is not meant to be taken literally. It is more likely to date back to Henry VIII when he made himself head of the church of England (tradition was to kiss the ring on a bishop's left hand). Lets face it, could you imagine Queen Victoria alowing Gladstone (whom she did not like at all) that close to her?
Hard to believe this conversation took place as presented.
The British Royals conveniently changed their official last name from the Germanic SAXE COBERG-GOETHE, to the more British-sounding WINDSOR, out of fear of public backlash over their Cousin the KAISER’S part in WWI. (Rejected their Other Cousins, the ROMANOVS, pleas for asylum for the same reason.)
QUEEN VICTORIA and PRINCE ALBERT perpetuated quite a bloodline there.😂
I love this series but because of the acting most of these private meetings were done in absolute privacy
Therefore, must of those dialogs between the Queen and her family members as well as politicians' advisors and friends are for the most part at the discretion of the series writers based on historical timing evens but not necessarily the truth of what happened and said during those important evens.
Maybe they asked the servants who used to hang around the royals 24/7 what they used to discuss behind closed doors.
Idk what’s better John in this series or in 3rd rock.
The Crown.
@@Lizalotte Just because it's serious doesn't mean it's better.
@@mayonnnnnaise I had to re read the comments to remember what I'd opined on. I don't believe I was arguing that it's better, just my opinion that I enjoyed his performance more in the Crown.
I cannot believe in real life Queen Elizabeth did not have the very elderly Churchill sit before beginning any discussions. In fact I find it very unlikely she had any Prime Ministers stand for long. It is just too petty and rude an action for her and she knew she owed them respect and good manners just as they owed her respect and good manners. 9/10/23
In the previous episode, The Queen invited Churchill to sit and have tea. Churchill declined and explained to her the tradition of the monarch making ministers stand during privy council meetings so they can keep it brief. It was one of the first things Churchill taught young Elizabeth as her first prime minister.
LMAO!
@@avataryangchen19 but after Churchill left office, she did away with the tradition, and let them sit. Churchill was just a stickler for tradition.
I mean she did offer him a seat. HE REFUSED to sit
I cannot believe that you didn't know that Churchill refused to sit, even when she previously offered.
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The last name Windsor is historic and respectful I detest even the mention of the name being Mountbatten. The dynasty is still Windsor but the name was sadly, eventually, hyphenated to be Mountbatten-Windsor, something that should never have happened, both should still be Windsor.
Historic....? It is only a wee over 100 yrs old....
Yes, but it's a break with centuries old tradition. By all rights, the dynasty should have been renamed.
The British Royal Family surname is Mountbatten- Windsors.
For those on the male line who are lower down on the line of sucession, yes (eg the winger's children). Other than that it is either Windsor or in the case of Prince William's children they would now take the surname 'Wales' after their father's highest ranking title.
This was only a few years after the war, Germans were not exactly loved at the time
The Queen exercises her powers. But she was forced to give Philip the surname of Windsor, not retain the surname of Mountbatten. And the royal family was forced out of Clarence House to Buckingham Palace as their main residence. So, is it really exercising power if you, as sovereign, demand things and they don't happen?
Lol. It seems she didn't have any power at all. She did everything she was told by power hungry commoners.
You have to pick your battles carefully. Some battles are not worth fighting.
Why do royals prefer Clarence House? 😂
Wasn't the Queen Mother living at Clarence House? I thought you didn't really touch your lips to the lady's hand, rather you put your thumb on top and actually kissed it.
Depends on how early on in the Queen's reign this is, we know it was before her corronation. They would have lived at Clarence House whilst her father was still alive. After she became Queen there would have been a time where the Queen mother was still at Buckingham Palace and The Queen and Philip were still at Clarance House. After the corronation they would have switched.
Battenburgs are tasty, but not as tasty as Queen Foy.
Why Liztruss was not allowed to stay in office until Charles's coronation. Unfair!
Phillips’ name 0:33
Can I have Romania?
Okay...
4:30 Elizabeth wearing a slip dress exudes too much sex appeal
Claire Foy was sexy as hell in season 1
The real Elizabeth was a
very attractive young woman
and young mother.
Friend, that is not a slip dress. That is an actual slip. That's why she was wearing her dress over it.
SHE DIDN´T SUCCEED WITH MOUNTBATTEN NOR WITH CLARANCE HOUSE
You mean HE DIDN'T. I honestly don't think she cared that much and just pretended to so that Prince Phillip would be happy. But at the end of the day even that wasn't worth her nobility
@@_adrian_sean I AGREE ! SHE MADE MUCH MORE AND BIGGER SACRIFICES FOR THE CROWN AND COUNTRY WITHOUT COMPLAINT.
@@mountbatten2222 On the left side of your keyboard is a button marked "CAPS LOCK". Please press it. Thanks.
After Churchill's death she was partially sucessfull with Mountbatten. She made a decree and approved by Parliament her descendants will use the surname Mountbatten-Windsor. Anne used it on her wedding certificate. William and Catherine used it for their lawsuit of a French Magazine and The Sussexes' children surname is Mounbatten-Windsor. Churchill never liked Philip from the start and Louis Mountbatten wasn't discreet with his ambitions.
@@einezcrespo2107 WILL AND KATE SHOULDN´T USE WINDSOR NOR MOUNTBATTEN ! AS WILL IS THE BASTARD OF DIANA AND HER TENNIS COACH
(HARRYS FATHER IS HER STABLEMASTER) THEREFORE HE IS NOT RELATED WITH THE HOUSE OF WINDSOR AT ALL!
Except that those things didn’t happen….until Andrew was born. Andrew and Edward are Mountbatten Windsor but Charles and Anne are not. They moved into Buckingham Palace.
Nobody even ever uses the name "Windsor". I first heard of it a few years ago, before it was simply "the british royal family".
It literally wouldn't have mattered at all, let's be honest.
Had I met her in real life, I would have said "Hello, Mrs. Windsor."
The same goes for most disputes on "the Crown". Despite being a pro monarchy show the overarching message one receives is how irelevant the monarchy is as the show trumps up the importance of incredibly trival, pedantic and symbolic issues.
A woman should never change her name upon marriage and the children should always have her last name... she sacrifices so much more for them anyways
In Spanish culture, children take the patrilineal surname but the matrilineal surname exist as a secondary surname. ("Fidel Castro Ruz, son of Ángel Castro and Lina Ruz")
Outside of Western culture, the concept of a married woman having to change her family name may not even exist. If they do, it's likely to be a much recent Western import. 😊😊
To the best of my knowledge, pre-Western-influenced-East Asian cultures do not have such a practice. A married woman is usually referred in 3rd person using her own family name. A most famous example being Empress Wu who married into the Li clan of the Tang imperial household.
In some cultures, the patrynomic ("Katerina Vladimirova, "Raghad bt Saddam") is more important for both genders. Family names either do not exist or is more like a wider tribal clan name.
This should be the norm . When the woman carries the child for 9 months , when the woman take all the pains to birth the child and has the most contribution in raising the child then why the surname should be patrilineal!
@@sumonadey48374:39 Agreed.
Well they moved to Buckingham Palace and the direct heirs to the throne kept Windsor as their name. I think that she lost.
The Royal house became Mountbatten-Windsor officially some years later, so the Queen prevailed-a delayed victory but she won. Lost Clarence House but Charles is now doing as his parents wished back when he was 4 years old- Buck house is the office and he and Camilla live at Clarence House. He was not a 25-year-old young woman when he got the crown so if the suits in gray try to deny him this, he can tell them to stuff it. Elizabeth mastered the art of getting her way With steel in velvet glove over her many decades of reign. But at the start and probably for the first 10 years, she got bulldozed by the courtiers and the parliament because they viewed her as a young and sheltered girl they could push around.
@@marywenzel3199 Nope. The proper name is Windsor. Mountbatten only used for lower royals not really in the line of succession.
*throne
@@harringt100 Thank you.
@@seanwebb605 Incorrect the fmaily surname is Mountbatten - Windsor.
I wish William would change it again when he is King to the House of Spencer
He'd never do that. He named his daughter Charlotte instead of Diana.
Oh dear, now you sound like Harry. In what way would changing the name of the royal house to Spencer be appropriate? Diana was the female line. There already is a house of Spencer, presided over by Earl Charles Spencer at Althorp. One of England’s oldest noble families. The name has to stay with him.
What??? His father, Winsdor, was the heir, not the woman he married against his will.
Have you gone mad?
God forbid !
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This series is an excellent tutorial for why the British need to get rid of this institution. Birth should never be a prerequisite for power and influence. Merit, intelligence and talent should rule, not an uneducated gaggle of mediocrities. The idea that Churchill had to kowtow to Elizabeth is ridiculous.
Churchill was a monarchist.
He would not have minded
bowing to his sovereign.
Actually, it’s the exact opposite, but go off.
It is God who establishes leaders of nations...call them kings, queens, emperors, prime ministers, presidents, chairmen, or whatever. It is plainly obvious that God moved an entire blood line to establish Elizabeth to her reign for 70 years. While the politicians of the UK created uncertainty and difficulties for the nation, the monarchy provided stability. Such a system would not work well anywhere else in the world, but for 70 years, it was exactly what the UK needed to navigate the ebbs and tides of the world. Times are changing. Charles is not his mother. I see a sharp decline in the Monarchy's influence and credibility over time.
If you look at the standard of politicians today,
in Britain and abroad,
the standard is abysmal.
The monarchy is like the rider of a horse,
where the horse is the Ship of State -
there are times when you give the horse it's head,
and tyhere are times when you guide,
or apply the brakes.
The skill
is knowing exactly when to be which -
and for that there is no Marxist-run university course -
you need someone drenched in the meaning of power
from birth.
It is not always perfect,
but for a thousand years,
it has seen Britain through thick and thin.
Think of the Blitz in London,
when King George VI stayed at Buckinghan Palace,
when he could easily have moved to the country.
That kind of example
had a huge and positive impact on The People,
and helped steady them
as the bombs were falling.
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That's what I hear from your sexual partners.
@seanwebb605 Y'all must be hearing wrong because I don't have sexual "partners". I have a WIFE. So, on that basis, you clearly know fuq all about me. Pleb.
@@amjh4lah809 And you finish before her. Well before her. Perhaps before she has even started.
A silly scene. This show is a cheap soap-opera version of the monarchy.
The monarchy is a much cheaper soap opera version of this series lol
this is so unethical. without the british accents it's grimey
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