Yeah it was pretty obvious from the start, but still well executed. Its also funny to see it at a "sale price". Waves has a perpetual sale going on and I've never seen any of their plugins be listed for the full price. They could just as easily claim it normally goes for $5 million but it's on sale for $29.99.
Bought it. I’ve mixed this way for years but it’s always been a royal pain of signal flow. This simply streamlines my process. Good work waves and CLA.
Good point, it's kind of worth it just for the routing utility. Would be even better ( not complaining, for $29 people worked thousands of hours on this) if one could substitute one's personal reverb choices, like the Scheps Omni Channel ( where you can use your own compressor etc.)
Could be true but the plug-in does sound pretty close to what he was doing with his hardware on the other videos. Us mere mortals will never have all that outboard gear and routing options. $29.99 looks really cheap for all it does.
@@travislee9662 what does it do that's special? Its just a row of aux returns. The delays have no unique character. The lexicon sound is decent. And the AMS is cool. Other than that its all plain Jane.
He doesn't need to. He has a multimillion dollar studio. But best believe several other top producers will use it if they don't have the kind of gear CLA does. And really, it's not even about if HE USES IT! It's about him hooking your poor ass up with something you'd likely never be able to afford, but made it affordable for you (people). And even gave away a great secret for vocals that immediately stated using and man do my vocals sound MUCH BETTER already.
Its a epic fail. Tape is 100% not the tape eliminator and plate is 100% not the lx480 plate (its a chamber). I would say it is fraud. Nobody notices and everyone thinks they have a cla sound :-)
This is actually really cool, for some reason it sounds better than it should, i initially thought yeah it's just a patch bay but i have to say i was wrong, it's got a weird kind of magic to the sound, i had never heard of Chris before, i saw the video on facebook and watched it, he made me laugh in the buildup videos, his enthusiasm for effects is awesome! I gave it a go and love it, the time saving aspects, it's especially great for creative jam sessions, it gets you going in seconds, i don't care if Chris uses the plugin or not, i hope he makes a stack of money on it good luck to him .
I'm glad that there was a run-up to this plugin release with videos showing CLA's approach. That really helped to understand the concept behind using this plugin effectively. I tried the free download and liked it, but felt I wanted to be able to mix shorter and longer reverbs (like in CLA's videos). This full version with more control is perfect, and at an intro price of $29 its a no-brainer.
For the time being, since I can't run Version 12 Waves plugs yet, because of my 9 year old iMac, I'm gonna start sending my delays to reverb buses. Hopefully, I can be EPIC too!
Just got this after using the echosphere and can honestly say it's one of the best plugins for the money I have bought.30 dollars is a steal if your sitting on the fence
The Waves marketing team are the most effective salesmen in the audio world. Their industry figureheads-CLA, JJP, and Scheps-are guru geniuses with the gravitas and chops to back up their advocacy of Waves products. I don’t know if Waves plug-ins are substantially better than (or even as good as) their competition, but it’s almost as if the price of their plug-ins subsidizes the wealth of wisdom gleaned from these amazing tutorials. The halo effect is blinding. Worked on me, even though I’m fully aware of what is going on from a marketing perspective. That’s a stroke of genius on Waves’ part.
CLA has done it again! Sounds amazing, looks amazing and more importantly it is very easy to use. All my delays and reverbs in one place which means I can route all my drums or vocals into one buss! Use this with CLA MixHub and you will be mixing songs x3 faster which means everything to me! May I say again, IT SOUNS FCKING AMAZING! Good job Waves.
I just copped this. It definitely makes it easier. I didnt even think of creating busses for multiple reverbs and delays on a dry signal. Will kick up my production
Well. No-brainer at this introduction price. And way cool sounds too. You could probably set this workflow up yourself in your DAW but this is way quicker and already has great onboard sounds.
The issue I see with that is that your delay/reverbs relationship is fixed for all tracks. If you have a real matrix that you feed with sends, you can have delay on some tracks while on others not and also in different relationships to each other.
@@Jg-be7it If I then want to change any setting (let’s say reverb #1) I have to change it in all 4 Epics to stay consistent. This concept would be great if the Epic PlugIn could receive 4 different sends at the input but I guess this is not possible in all plugin standards.
bad ass plugin,great, thank you waves and cla, keep on making great plugins that are inspiring us all ,especially this new generation ,wow I wish we had this back in the 80 , they do not know how well they have it today , they do not need to spend millions of dollars as in the past, even the hundreds of hours spent to learn every processor to know the benefits each processes sweet spot ,how to use it to get what in you ind easily and fast to get a great production , what a great time or mixing mastering producing
CLA’s plugins are always great. Ya it’s fun to make fun of him in the videos but they’re still great. He’s very smart and has an amazing pair of ears on him. I’m with him. Once you find a verb that works awesome leave it and just send properly EQ’d and compressed vocals to it. A lot of my verb settings haven’t changed in 3 years. Lol
I own this plugin. Not only can you create custom effects but it also has more presets than I'll ever use. It's a really cool plugin but it can use a lot of CPU.
I'm looking forward to a CLA Tape plugin, to use as an insert in the MixHub. I don't like either Kramer or J37. One based on Chris' machines, with several tape sounds - either different machines, or tape widths, or tape formulations - not too many, but covering the entire timbre spectre, and, as usual with Waves, with great versatility through few intuitive controls. Including noise, and wow & flutter, which are a great part of it, but often overlooked, a beautiful high-end, maybe a wear knob, who knowa? That would be beautiful. I think it would complete Chris' old-style workflow. And a great studio IR collection engineered by him, with a beautiful GUI, something in the style of UAD's Ocean Way or IK's Sunset Sound, but with no processing whatsoever - to be able to run through whatever tape or console we choose. That would pretty much cover it all, top to bottom, to capture all the signal workflow for those beautifully sounding analog recordings. And maybe a microphone converter, from a few usual cheap ones, like a 57, 58 or cheaper condensers, like NT-1A or B1, to some of the beautiful more expensive models, like an U87, in the style of IK's Mic Room. I think this time I'm really done, cause that's covering the entire signal path. Oh, and some impulse response based guitar amp emulation with a graphic cab miking interface, instead of those horrible browsers, with freely adjustable ir-based mic positioning. Something like TH-U meets MixIR, but with the positioning freedom of the new Amplitube. I think Waves needs a wide model range guitar amp emulator, and IR seems to be vastly better than the old algorithm based emulators. And now I'm really done. Oh, by the way, a drum sampler/instrument - again, with minimum processing. Some other great-console full strip emulations - like the Focusrite Forte, the A-Range Trident or the Neve 8082 - with some channel variation technology, would be a great addition to the 4000 and EMI emulation. That should cover all the stages for a full band analog recording signal path - for the legendary stuff - to have for the rest of time. Is there anything I'm leaving out?
I tried it and here are the results for ratio with a single reverb using valhalla, valhalla vintage 0.31% vs CLA Epic 2.41% in any kind of cpu the ratio will be the same just lower or higher numerics.. so its like running 7-9 reverbs at one time.. this is still great plugin u just use it sparingly..
White Sea Studio made an excellent point in his review. This plugin would be great if there were a hardware controller. Going to agree that it is not the most mouse friendly plugin....even better would be if the controller could also be used with Mixhub during bucket mode.
To achieve the same result as the previous CLA ssl+hardware video of this series, you should do 8 busses with an instance of this plugin each with only a single of the 8 fx active 100% wet (important), then from each track you want to be affected, you create a send and send it to each (or less) of the 8 fx busses, then from the 4 delays busses you make 4 sends each to each reverb (to add the reverb to the delays). Then you can automate the sends to achieve the "fader riding" that mr. CLA does, the sends become the faders, this is better looking in daw like pro tools, in logic for example you, i think, can't create a nice looking pop-out fader for a send, so your automation would need to be done by the little knobs on every track you want to automate. I think the previous videos where a little missleading, the actual power of this plugin is speed, "presets-ready use" and "same place" automations, you load this on a buss and jump over all that routing to give that buss a lot of treatment and fader riding in the same visual place. You can't achieve the result of the previous videos, like, for example, sending the snare to only 2 of the 4 delays, and the vocals to 3, using the same plugin instance, straight inside 1 instance of this plugin cause it takes a single stereo input. That's also not very important since you can load a bunch of these plugins and do different setups for each, while CLA has to use only 8 of those outboards cause i don't think he has a bunch of the same hooked up.
Hi Guys for anyone wondering about cpu usage here are the results.. single reverb using valhalla, tested using on board presets: valhalla vintage 0.31% vs CLA Epic 2.41% in any kind of cpu the ratio will be the same just lower or higher numerics.. so its like running 7-9 reverbs at one time.. this is still great plugin due to its advanced routing u just use it sparingly..
the point is to make you feel both enthused and like now you're missing out. and also to have something to come with for black friday, which i think was a nice gesture. both the plate and the delay are cool on their own.
How to do the CLA ssl + hardware matrix: To achieve the same result as the previous CLA ssl+hardware video of this series, you should do 8 busses with an instance of this plugin each with only a single of the 8 fx active 100% wet (important), then from each track you want to be affected, you create a send and send it to each (or less) of the 8 fx busses, then from the 4 delays busses you make 4 sends each to each reverb (to add the reverb to the delays). Then you can automate the sends to achieve the "fader riding" that mr. CLA does, the sends become the faders, this is better looking in daw like pro tools, in logic for example you, i think, can't create a nice looking pop-out fader for a send, so your automation would need to be done by the little knobs on every track you want to automate. I think the previous videos where a little missleading, the actual power of this plugin is speed, "presets-ready use" and "same place" automations, you load this on a buss and jump over all that routing to give that buss a lot of treatment and fader riding in the same visual place. You can't achieve the result of the previous videos, like, for example, sending the snare to only 2 of the 4 delays, and the vocals to 3, using the same plugin instance, straight inside 1 instance of this plugin cause it takes a single stereo input. That's also not very important since you can load a bunch of these plugins and do different setups for each, while CLA has to use only 8 of those outboards cause i don't think he has a bunch of the same hooked up.
You can always route the delays to some blank tracks with master send turned off, then route them to the reverbs, effectively giving you send faders in your mixing panel. Just been trying to decide whether I want to get this when I can use this method with the delays, reverbs and IR's I already have 🤔
That's exactly what I was thinking! I'm less inclined to use this as an all-in-one plugin, but instead break it out to different sends, so they can be used on all tracks. Hard to create a shared reverb space if only one track gets the Epic effect!
@@Jg-be7it I don't think it makes the plugin useless-yes, you can do it like that on your own-but this plugin has the unique delay and reverb sounds he uses. I think it'll be neat to see how people find new ways of using CLA's method. But your way makes perfect sense too. :)
If you don't pay $200 for this, you can use any reverb or delay you want. Think this is a great deal n waves made a great series with him and I learned alot, but even with the $30 price on launch day it's only 0.1x harder and 10,000x more versitile to do this through my daw? Every major daw, pro tools, Ableton, logic, fl, they all let you send sends to sends in the exact same way. Waves you are awesome, and you made me have every reason to buy this thing, but I just can't for this one.
songwriters and non-technical mixers would pay, and it makes sense. They'll have a high quality depth plugin for 30$ that they can slap on to a vocal track in like 1 min and use some of the presets and see the possibilities. But I'm not sure they've actually targeted that niche who would actually pay to do less routing and customising.
@@StephenOrion very good point, n on top of that, what ur saying is what cla vocals and guitars and stuff do already, make it easier and quicker. I wish def pick it up for that reason, but only at that $30 launch price
Would you be able to get a similar sound sending a vocal track to a delay and that delayed signal to a reverb. ....while all in the inserts? Or send the track to a chain of 4 delays in cascading fashion on to 4 reverbs, using aux tracks. Mix the aux returns and automate? Do the same thing for the drum bus? You won't be able to " paint" the sound like CLA does on an SSL but maybe you can automate the faders in the DAW and get a similar sound. And you don't always need 4 reverbs and 4 delays on a track or tracks. You can use fewer. In fact most of the time.
Got intriqued, got Echosphere on Black Friday, got hooked. Refused to buy this on Cyber Monday. Knew prt 4 of 'mixing in depth' should be there. Went to waves . com with regrets but HEY: payed $29,99 just now on EPIC TUESDAY
Hi Leezy, Reverb Time (RT) is the time it takes for the sound pressure to decrease by 60 dB, which is effectively the end of the reverb tail. RT Low controls the decay time of low frequencies in the reverb while RT High controls the decay time of high frequencies in the reverb , relative to the Reverb Time value. For more information, we recommend checking out the CLA Epic user guide: www.waves.com/1lib/pdf/plugins/cla-epic-v2.pdf
I noticed that the reverbs in this dont sound as good as a dedicated reverb plug like the Relab 480 or the Slate digital Verbsuite to name 2. I punched up a room verb in Epic, ran a snare thru it and then a/b a room out of the relab and the relab has a richer tone. Same experiment with a hall reverb. The Epic plug is more convenient but doesnt have the quality sound to me. Do and A/B yourself and see.Gonna try an A/B with Lusterous Plates plug and the plate in Epic today.
looks great, but if used as a send FX is it not limiting somehow in routing ? in Real /DAW mixer you send each track to each individual FX module the amount you need ,with CLA Epic seems a track sends same level to all modules ! Also the mix knob of dry/wet needs to have option to be locked when going trough the presets (if its not there already)
why is it limiting tho? u can put it on an aux track with mix at 100%, send whatever u want as much as u want into the plugin in your daw and then choose how much u want to add to the signal from each of the modules, pretty easy and works great imo
Did I miss something? This seems to counter what he was saying in the previous videos. Didn't he say that he busses his tracks to these 8 effects so that the mix will sound glued together? If this plugin only has one input, how are you supposed to adjust the send amounts to the individual effects in the plugin? Does that mean you need to insert another instance of this if you want a different fx balance? For example, if you only want your drums going through the room verb and not the vocal slap, you can't do it without adding another instance of the plugin with the slap turned off. Didn't he say his fx workflow was to prevent having different reverbs inserted on every track? Isn't that exactly what this plugin requires you to do? I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be snarky. I use Waves and CLA plugins like 90% of the time. I'm just trying to understand the thought process behind this. Seems like this would be more useful if it were 8 individual plugins. Being able to send a delay into a reverb can literally be done with 2 mouse clicks. Maybe I misunderstood his FX matrix.
In my case I only would setup max 3 of this across all my project. One vocal dedicated, one synth dedicated, one drums dedicated. Do you need more instances? I think 3 it's enough. Would be great a CPU test, but seems to be CPU-friendly more if you bypass the things you don't need.
I'm afraid you're exactly right. And in case you want to pan the delays (as in not wanting the slap in the middle or having the stereo delays hard left and right) the REAL trouble begins. Another thing is, that it doesn't make sense to have a predelay on the reverbs you send the delays to; I don't think that it's a coincidence that - in the video - CLA turns the 150ms predelay down to zero the second he routes the delay to the plate.
Waves!! you guys need to make a hardware controller for your awesome range of VST's...16 x 100 mm automated faders and 16 endless rotary encoders with small oled displays for both....
Never understood dry delays when the main path is through a reverb. Parallel routing is great, but now the delay tails sound like they're in a different room. Gotta throw a reverb on that delay.
Hey Waves, can someone help me? My Echosphere's Grafix are all over the place and upside down: totally buggy Grafix! I have of cause installed it second time and have no others clue to get it running :( Help pleeeeaaaaaase
Hi Duri, it seems like you're using a version of Pro Tools that is not officially supported with our V12 plugins. Please verify that by visiting the Supported Hosts page on our website: www.waves.com/support/tech-specs/supported-hosts If you're using a host application that is officially supported with our V12, please contact our tech support department directly as they will gladly further assist: www.waves.com/contact-us
can soomeone explain how hes sending the delays through the verbs? if I dont have this plug in I tried sending my delay aux thru the verb aux but that didn't sound like this lol any help? thanks in advance
What I don't get is that Cla uses 4 reverbs for Drum room as shown on the first video: Dre2000 Bricasti Rev 1 Emt 246 And here we only have 1 room channel. What is that room? Is the dre 2000?
Some of the reverbs and delays in the Epic are combinations of two units and not just one unit. On reverb B (room) it's the dre2000 + bricasti m7. Reverb C is the emt 246 along with the rev 1.
@@curtiscole9151 I am pretty sure that reverb C is the Eventide H3000 Dense Room preset. Otherwise it would be cool if you are right about reverb B being Dre2000 + Bricasti. Are you sure about that? How do you know it?
![BLACK BAG - Official Trailer [HD] - Only in Theaters March 14](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Du0Xp8WX_7I/mqdefault.jpg)
This four part series was one of the best ways I've seen to sell a new plugin. Offer it at the lowest sale price immediately on release = SOLD
Yeah it was pretty obvious from the start, but still well executed. Its also funny to see it at a "sale price". Waves has a perpetual sale going on and I've never seen any of their plugins be listed for the full price. They could just as easily claim it normally goes for $5 million but it's on sale for $29.99.
@@aeonslight yeah, not that i'm complaining, though. keep'em on sale, make'em good quality and intuitive to use - nirvana.
I think it's a smart way of doing things.
yeah this was brilliant
Bought it. I’ve mixed this way for years but it’s always been a royal pain of signal flow. This simply streamlines my process. Good work waves and CLA.
Good point, it's kind of worth it just for the routing utility. Would be even better ( not complaining, for $29 people worked thousands of hours on this) if one could substitute one's personal reverb choices, like the Scheps Omni Channel ( where you can use your own compressor etc.)
You still have to put it either as a insert or as a aux in your daw lol
3:06 this is the most diva way to press a space bar in the whole universe...what a facial expression full of pride LOLOLOLOL
its epic
Lol, I love him.
lmfaooooooooooooooooooooooo
The first time I watched the thumb, rewatched and saw that face and loled
@@blazing6string loool the thumb is also genius...pressure perfect 😂😂
This is the only time Chris will ever use this pluggin.
Could be true but the plug-in does sound pretty close to what he was doing with his hardware on the other videos. Us mere mortals will never have all that outboard gear and routing options. $29.99 looks really cheap for all it does.
@@travislee9662 what does it do that's special? Its just a row of aux returns. The delays have no unique character. The lexicon sound is decent. And the AMS is cool. Other than that its all plain Jane.
@@KyleGushue FOR $29 it can be plain Jane all it wants....I'm in!!!
He doesn't need to. He has a multimillion dollar studio. But best believe several other top producers will use it if they don't have the kind of gear CLA does. And really, it's not even about if HE USES IT! It's about him hooking your poor ass up with something you'd likely never be able to afford, but made it affordable for you (people). And even gave away a great secret for vocals that immediately stated using and man do my vocals sound MUCH BETTER already.
Fuggin pluggins
CLA is a total genius, simply amazing, thanks Chris and waves for doing this epic series🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Its a epic fail. Tape is 100% not the tape eliminator and plate is 100% not the lx480 plate (its a chamber). I would say it is fraud. Nobody notices and everyone thinks they have a cla sound :-)
This is actually really cool, for some reason it sounds better than it should, i initially thought yeah it's just a patch bay but i have to say i was wrong, it's got a weird kind of magic to the sound, i had never heard of Chris before, i saw the video on facebook and watched it, he made me laugh in the buildup videos, his enthusiasm for effects is awesome! I gave it a go and love it, the time saving aspects, it's especially great for creative jam sessions, it gets you going in seconds, i don't care if Chris uses the plugin or not, i hope he makes a stack of money on it good luck to him .
Exactly what I've been searching for... with over 350 presets to start experimenting... great!...
I'm glad that there was a run-up to this plugin release with videos showing CLA's approach. That really helped to understand the concept behind using this plugin effectively. I tried the free download and liked it, but felt I wanted to be able to mix shorter and longer reverbs (like in CLA's videos). This full version with more control is perfect, and at an intro price of $29 its a no-brainer.
Finally a mastering plugin to go on my masterchannel right after cla vocals
😄😅😂
Right after cla vocals, rough rider and 6 flangers
@@aripent you wrong fo dat. ;-(
Taste.. That's what you need to max out the plugin. Great job cla and waves!
For the time being, since I can't run Version 12 Waves plugs yet, because of my 9 year old iMac, I'm gonna start sending my delays to reverb buses.
Hopefully, I can be EPIC too!
The v12 plugins work fine on my 2012 imac.
@@petergreen1869 because it should support metal graphics. I have a 2011 MacBook Pro and it doesn’t have metal.
Use Epic in Waves Studiorack and it work on your iMac to. 👍👌.
Epic is a groundbreaking. Even for a Coconut 😃👍
Just got this after using the echosphere and can honestly say it's one of the best plugins for the money I have bought.30 dollars is a steal if your sitting on the fence
199 normal..30 for now...lol
Worth 30 dollars 👍
"CLA...He's still the 'Main Dude!" and I'm loving this new plugin!😍👍
few engineers make such polished salesmen
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA he's fucking great
finally a delay / reverb plugin with all essential delays and reverbs. been waiting for a plugin like this.
Yeah... who didn't see this coming after Echosphere?
well, you got some educational content for free. what's the problem?
I didn't. But i don't have 20/20 vision
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's EXACTLY what I was hoping for after Echosphere! And they included it as part of the Mercury collection which is great.
It's almost like that free "Depth and Dimension" mixing tutorial that Waves announced 4 weeks ago was all a marketing ploy?
Nah.... No way.
The Waves marketing team are the most effective salesmen in the audio world. Their industry figureheads-CLA, JJP, and Scheps-are guru geniuses with the gravitas and chops to back up their advocacy of Waves products. I don’t know if Waves plug-ins are substantially better than (or even as good as) their competition, but it’s almost as if the price of their plug-ins subsidizes the wealth of wisdom gleaned from these amazing tutorials. The halo effect is blinding.
Worked on me, even though I’m fully aware of what is going on from a marketing perspective. That’s a stroke of genius on Waves’ part.
CLA has done it again! Sounds amazing, looks amazing and more importantly it is very easy to use. All my delays and reverbs in one place which means I can route all my drums or vocals into one buss! Use this with CLA MixHub and you will be mixing songs x3 faster which means everything to me! May I say again, IT SOUNS FCKING AMAZING! Good job Waves.
CLA MixHub is next on my list.
I just copped this. It definitely makes it easier. I didnt even think of creating busses for multiple reverbs and delays on a dry signal. Will kick up my production
Well. No-brainer at this introduction price. And way cool sounds too. You could probably set this workflow up yourself in your DAW but this is way quicker and already has great onboard sounds.
CLA can sell bacon to pigs...
Ice to an Eskimo..
I like it.. 30.00 ..im sold..
Looking forward to experiment..Thanks Waves..
One of the best plugin ever created!!! Great Job Waves/CLA!
The issue I see with that is that your delay/reverbs relationship is fixed for all tracks. If you have a real matrix that you feed with sends, you can have delay on some tracks while on others not and also in different relationships to each other.
@@Jg-be7it interesting
@@Jg-be7it If I then want to change any setting (let’s say reverb #1) I have to change it in all 4 Epics to stay consistent. This concept would be great if the Epic PlugIn could receive 4 different sends at the input but I guess this is not possible in all plugin standards.
@@Jg-be7it That was epic quote!
bad ass plugin,great, thank you waves and cla, keep on making great plugins that are inspiring us all ,especially this new generation ,wow I wish we had this back in the 80 , they do not know how well they have it today , they do not need to spend millions of dollars as in the past, even the hundreds of hours spent to learn every processor to know the benefits each processes sweet spot ,how to use it to get what in you ind easily and fast to get a great production , what a great time or mixing mastering producing
I purchased the plugin today. Looking forward to seeing how it works with my mixes.
CLA’s plugins are always great. Ya it’s fun to make fun of him in the videos but they’re still great. He’s very smart and has an amazing pair of ears on him. I’m with him. Once you find a verb that works awesome leave it and just send properly EQ’d and compressed vocals to it. A lot of my verb settings haven’t changed in 3 years. Lol
Love this Plug in !! Waves CLA equals killer product / killer value
Hope to see "death flange verb added" @waves.
Great concept and work Chris & Waves! Goes way beyond just making a great plugin. It's a workflow enhancement
I knew Echosphere was a set up for something bigger
That's how marketing works.
@@SixStringHarmonies Well, free slap and plate is better than nothing
It's on sale for 29.99 and buy 2 get 2 free
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yea, i thought the same, but i love it anyway, specialy from my favourite CLA)
A little miss leading with the 3 part harmonies happening/shifting in pitch which sound EPIC by themselves. :)
Great plug in
The only thing I'm missing is early and late reflection. Is it somehow integrated in the plugin?
killer plug in!!!!
this plugin is def a game changer!
super plugin....one of the best waves plugs ever
I own this plugin. Not only can you create custom effects but it also has more presets than I'll ever use. It's a really cool plugin but it can use a lot of CPU.
I'm looking forward to a CLA Tape plugin, to use as an insert in the MixHub. I don't like either Kramer or J37. One based on Chris' machines, with several tape sounds - either different machines, or tape widths, or tape formulations - not too many, but covering the entire timbre spectre, and, as usual with Waves, with great versatility through few intuitive controls. Including noise, and wow & flutter, which are a great part of it, but often overlooked, a beautiful high-end, maybe a wear knob, who knowa? That would be beautiful. I think it would complete Chris' old-style workflow.
And a great studio IR collection engineered by him, with a beautiful GUI, something in the style of UAD's Ocean Way or IK's Sunset Sound, but with no processing whatsoever - to be able to run through whatever tape or console we choose. That would pretty much cover it all, top to bottom, to capture all the signal workflow for those beautifully sounding analog recordings.
And maybe a microphone converter, from a few usual cheap ones, like a 57, 58 or cheaper condensers, like NT-1A or B1, to some of the beautiful more expensive models, like an U87, in the style of IK's Mic Room. I think this time I'm really done, cause that's covering the entire signal path.
Oh, and some impulse response based guitar amp emulation with a graphic cab miking interface, instead of those horrible browsers, with freely adjustable ir-based mic positioning. Something like TH-U meets MixIR, but with the positioning freedom of the new Amplitube. I think Waves needs a wide model range guitar amp emulator, and IR seems to be vastly better than the old algorithm based emulators.
And now I'm really done.
Oh, by the way, a drum sampler/instrument - again, with minimum processing.
Some other great-console full strip emulations - like the Focusrite Forte, the A-Range Trident or the Neve 8082 - with some channel variation technology, would be a great addition to the 4000 and EMI emulation.
That should cover all the stages for a full band analog recording signal path - for the legendary stuff - to have for the rest of time. Is there anything I'm leaving out?
"put your delays in your reverbs... 4x 4 epic...." my CPU just died
I tried it and here are the results for ratio with a single reverb using valhalla, valhalla vintage 0.31% vs CLA Epic 2.41% in any kind of cpu the ratio will be the same just lower or higher numerics.. so its like running 7-9 reverbs at one time.. this is still great plugin u just use it sparingly..
Well this is pretty effing cool!
I use 8 instances of this for real cla workflow..I would like to disable the unused modules for better cpu consumtion, just like in cla Mixhub
Best FX chain in the market period, 🔥🔥
This man was made for television
( and mixing obvs)
The algorithm has blessed me today. Looks like I am buying a new plugin.
Epic Mixer, Epic Plug-in Waves!
White Sea Studio made an excellent point in his review. This plugin would be great if there were a hardware controller. Going to agree that it is not the most mouse friendly plugin....even better would be if the controller could also be used with Mixhub during bucket mode.
Hi waves, do you think is possible to disable unused modules to lower cpu consumtion?
Also EPIC was to offer this for us all! Thanks! Thanks a lot!
Esse Chris Lord-Alge é muito bom.Sou um verdadeiro fã desse cara!!!
So THIS is the big brother of EchoSphere. How cute!
Any ideas for a good track- / send- / bus-structure in our DAWs which features this epic depth?
To achieve the same result as the previous CLA ssl+hardware video of this series, you should do 8 busses with an instance of this plugin each with only a single of the 8 fx active 100% wet (important), then from each track you want to be affected, you create a send and send it to each (or less) of the 8 fx busses, then from the 4 delays busses you make 4 sends each to each reverb (to add the reverb to the delays). Then you can automate the sends to achieve the "fader riding" that mr. CLA does, the sends become the faders, this is better looking in daw like pro tools, in logic for example you, i think, can't create a nice looking pop-out fader for a send, so your automation would need to be done by the little knobs on every track you want to automate.
I think the previous videos where a little missleading, the actual power of this plugin is speed, "presets-ready use" and "same place" automations, you load this on a buss and jump over all that routing to give that buss a lot of treatment and fader riding in the same visual place. You can't achieve the result of the previous videos, like, for example, sending the snare to only 2 of the 4 delays, and the vocals to 3, using the same plugin instance, straight inside 1 instance of this plugin cause it takes a single stereo input. That's also not very important since you can load a bunch of these plugins and do different setups for each, while CLA has to use only 8 of those outboards cause i don't think he has a bunch of the same hooked up.
@@PhilipRikoZen Good comments. In Logic you can send the sends to the faders for more accurate control and feel. support.apple.com/en-us/HT208916
You guys at waves are just disgustingly amazing !
Hi Guys for anyone wondering about cpu usage here are the results.. single reverb using valhalla, tested using on board presets: valhalla vintage 0.31% vs CLA Epic 2.41% in any kind of cpu the ratio will be the same just lower or higher numerics.. so its like running 7-9 reverbs at one time.. this is still great plugin due to its advanced routing u just use it sparingly..
Killer. Bought it. So what’s the point of ecosphere now that I have this one? Sounds like it’s Epic LITE.
the point is to make you feel both enthused and like now you're missing out. and also to have something to come with for black friday, which i think was a nice gesture. both the plate and the delay are cool on their own.
Love the video and I’m going to purchase this. Can you tell me why and the end of some of my lips there is clipping sounds.
Chris knows how to get us excited about a plugin. But I'm gonna give it a go anyway. I think his ideas are sound!
took me a while to get into the workflow, but it´s an amazing plugin.
Thank You Very Much!
🙂🙏
How to do the CLA ssl + hardware matrix:
To achieve the same result as the previous CLA ssl+hardware video of this series, you should do 8 busses with an instance of this plugin each with only a single of the 8 fx active 100% wet (important), then from each track you want to be affected, you create a send and send it to each (or less) of the 8 fx busses, then from the 4 delays busses you make 4 sends each to each reverb (to add the reverb to the delays). Then you can automate the sends to achieve the "fader riding" that mr. CLA does, the sends become the faders, this is better looking in daw like pro tools, in logic for example you, i think, can't create a nice looking pop-out fader for a send, so your automation would need to be done by the little knobs on every track you want to automate.
I think the previous videos where a little missleading, the actual power of this plugin is speed, "presets-ready use" and "same place" automations, you load this on a buss and jump over all that routing to give that buss a lot of treatment and fader riding in the same visual place. You can't achieve the result of the previous videos, like, for example, sending the snare to only 2 of the 4 delays, and the vocals to 3, using the same plugin instance, straight inside 1 instance of this plugin cause it takes a single stereo input. That's also not very important since you can load a bunch of these plugins and do different setups for each, while CLA has to use only 8 of those outboards cause i don't think he has a bunch of the same hooked up.
You can always route the delays to some blank tracks with master send turned off, then route them to the reverbs, effectively giving you send faders in your mixing panel. Just been trying to decide whether I want to get this when I can use this method with the delays, reverbs and IR's I already have 🤔
That's exactly what I was thinking! I'm less inclined to use this as an all-in-one plugin, but instead break it out to different sends, so they can be used on all tracks. Hard to create a shared reverb space if only one track gets the Epic effect!
He is limited by the console. I prefer to have an Epic plug for each groupe : Lead Vocals, BV, Gtr, solos, piano, drums
This plug in sound very very very good
@@Jg-be7it I don't think it makes the plugin useless-yes, you can do it like that on your own-but this plugin has the unique delay and reverb sounds he uses. I think it'll be neat to see how people find new ways of using CLA's method. But your way makes perfect sense too. :)
This is actually a brilliant plugin
Jeez. This is brilliant
If you don't pay $200 for this, you can use any reverb or delay you want.
Think this is a great deal n waves made a great series with him and I learned alot, but even with the $30 price on launch day it's only 0.1x harder and 10,000x more versitile to do this through my daw? Every major daw, pro tools, Ableton, logic, fl, they all let you send sends to sends in the exact same way. Waves you are awesome, and you made me have every reason to buy this thing, but I just can't for this one.
songwriters and non-technical mixers would pay, and it makes sense. They'll have a high quality depth plugin for 30$ that they can slap on to a vocal track in like 1 min and use some of the presets and see the possibilities. But I'm not sure they've actually targeted that niche who would actually pay to do less routing and customising.
@@StephenOrion very good point, n on top of that, what ur saying is what cla vocals and guitars and stuff do already, make it easier and quicker. I wish def pick it up for that reason, but only at that $30 launch price
I knew it was coming and I just got it. Thank you, Mr. Lord-Alge!!!
Not sure I see anything I can't do in PT already with the delays and verbs I have. What am I missing?
Where do you choose which instruments will be activated when you use the faders? Do you clone this setup for each core bus?
Either that or place it individually on channels yeah
Would you be able to get a similar sound sending a vocal track to a delay and that delayed signal to a reverb. ....while all in the inserts? Or send the track to a chain of 4 delays in cascading fashion on to 4 reverbs, using aux tracks. Mix the aux returns and automate? Do the same thing for the drum bus? You won't be able to " paint" the sound like CLA does on an SSL but maybe you can automate the faders in the DAW and get a similar sound. And you don't always need 4 reverbs and 4 delays on a track or tracks. You can use fewer. In fact most of the time.
Can't wait to see your next episodes, where it ends with a plugin? Great work!
Are those reverbs algo or convo?
Just bought the plugin hope will serve my needs.
Now is the good time to do a video on what you think of it.
Got intriqued, got Echosphere on Black Friday, got hooked. Refused to buy this on Cyber Monday. Knew prt 4 of 'mixing in depth' should be there. Went to waves . com with regrets but HEY: payed $29,99 just now on EPIC TUESDAY
What is the RT low and RT high ?
Hi Leezy, Reverb Time (RT) is the time it takes for the sound pressure to decrease by 60 dB, which is effectively the end of the reverb tail. RT Low controls the decay time of low frequencies in the reverb while RT High controls the decay time of high frequencies in the reverb , relative to the Reverb Time value. For more information, we recommend checking out the CLA Epic user guide: www.waves.com/1lib/pdf/plugins/cla-epic-v2.pdf
Why isn't CLA EPIC included in the signature series bundle?
It's a awesome plugin worth over 1000...easily.
Laurence
I noticed that the reverbs in this dont sound as good as a dedicated reverb plug like the Relab 480 or the Slate digital Verbsuite to name 2. I punched up a room verb in Epic, ran a snare thru it and then a/b a
room out of the relab and the relab has a richer tone. Same experiment with a hall reverb. The Epic plug is more convenient but doesnt have the quality sound to me. Do and A/B yourself and see.Gonna try an A/B with Lusterous Plates plug and the plate in Epic today.
Está de lujo. Las dos funcionan juntas o también la puedo usar por separado. Y si podrían hacer una instalación directa de los plugin fuera un éxito.
Please waves allow us to turn off modules in order to reduce cpu consumtion!
looks great, but if used as a send FX is it not limiting somehow in routing ? in Real /DAW mixer you send each track to each individual FX module the amount you need ,with CLA Epic seems a track sends same level to all modules !
Also the mix knob of dry/wet needs to have option to be locked when going trough the presets (if its not there already)
why is it limiting tho? u can put it on an aux track with mix at 100%, send whatever u want as much as u want into the plugin in your daw and then choose how much u want to add to the signal from each of the modules, pretty easy and works great imo
Cant believe this whole series was a setup to sell this plugin😭😭
Pretty fricking cool.
Did I miss something? This seems to counter what he was saying in the previous videos. Didn't he say that he busses his tracks to these 8 effects so that the mix will sound glued together? If this plugin only has one input, how are you supposed to adjust the send amounts to the individual effects in the plugin? Does that mean you need to insert another instance of this if you want a different fx balance? For example, if you only want your drums going through the room verb and not the vocal slap, you can't do it without adding another instance of the plugin with the slap turned off. Didn't he say his fx workflow was to prevent having different reverbs inserted on every track? Isn't that exactly what this plugin requires you to do? I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be snarky. I use Waves and CLA plugins like 90% of the time. I'm just trying to understand the thought process behind this. Seems like this would be more useful if it were 8 individual plugins. Being able to send a delay into a reverb can literally be done with 2 mouse clicks. Maybe I misunderstood his FX matrix.
In my case I only would setup max 3 of this across all my project. One vocal dedicated, one synth dedicated, one drums dedicated. Do you need more instances? I think 3 it's enough. Would be great a CPU test, but seems to be CPU-friendly more if you bypass the things you don't need.
I'm afraid you're exactly right. And in case you want to pan the delays (as in not wanting the slap in the middle or having the stereo delays hard left and right) the REAL trouble begins. Another thing is, that it doesn't make sense to have a predelay on the reverbs you send the delays to; I don't think that it's a coincidence that - in the video - CLA turns the 150ms predelay down to zero the second he routes the delay to the plate.
Waves!! you guys need to make a hardware controller for your awesome range of VST's...16 x 100 mm automated faders and 16 endless rotary encoders with small oled displays for both....
Love this plugin
Great lesson 👍
Right so you'll be selling or giving away all that hardware in the background then..?
Never understood dry delays when the main path is through a reverb. Parallel routing is great, but now the delay tails sound like they're in a different room. Gotta throw a reverb on that delay.
Agreed
Hey Waves, can someone help me? My Echosphere's Grafix are all over the place and upside down: totally buggy Grafix! I have of cause installed it second time and have no others clue to get it running :( Help pleeeeaaaaaase
Hi Duri, it seems like you're using a version of Pro Tools that is not officially supported with our V12 plugins. Please verify that by visiting the Supported Hosts page on our website: www.waves.com/support/tech-specs/supported-hosts
If you're using a host application that is officially supported with our V12, please contact our tech support department directly as they will gladly further assist: www.waves.com/contact-us
Getting this asap
❤ Loved it.
Not gonna lie.... this is pretty sweet
So this is the full Version of the free plugin? Smart move waves and cla
Is it sent or inserted ?
send
It's really good at organizing you to have one space
So everyone will all those presets do I still need to edit manually?
You can. Or you can find a preset that suits your song.
Thats EPIC, no Question*
Epic Plugin Release Waves And CLA! Ciao, ALDO
can soomeone explain how hes sending the delays through the verbs? if I dont have this plug in I tried sending my delay aux thru the verb aux but that didn't sound like this lol any help? thanks in advance
What I don't get is that Cla uses 4 reverbs for Drum room as shown on the first video:
Dre2000
Bricasti
Rev 1
Emt 246
And here we only have 1 room channel. What is that room? Is the dre 2000?
Some of the reverbs and delays in the Epic are combinations of two units and not just one unit. On reverb B (room) it's the dre2000 + bricasti m7.
Reverb C is the emt 246 along with the rev 1.
@@curtiscole9151 I am pretty sure that reverb C is the Eventide H3000 Dense Room preset. Otherwise it would be cool if you are right about reverb B being Dre2000 + Bricasti. Are you sure about that? How do you know it?
Phase issues for days 😍
You say that like it's a BAD thing.... I don't know enough to judge.. explain?
You don’t want phasing problems.
Yeah but you can't eq or compress the individual reverbs or delays ...right?
wow man Chris its awesome man
E P I C indeed!