I rarely work in Webflow for new clients anymore. Loved Webflow but too often when the project grows or client requires out of the box functionality Webflow came short. Bricks (Building) + GSAP (Animation) + ACF Pro (For a bespoke CMS) = Anything is possible. The best thing about Bricks, if used correctly there is zero bloat and excellent page speed scores.
what tool would you recommend someone to use that has some experience dabbling in design and websites but only interested in making a website for themself. But wants it to look A+? I don't have any crazy requirements I just need to be able to integrate a 3rd party appointment platform
Try Framer!! Aims to be more of a design tool that builds websites without having to worry about an awful lot of web dev stuff. I’ve got a few vids on it
I'm webdesigner since 20 years, I never build a website with webflow, I'm fully working with wordpress and page builders & plugins, I'm using my own cloud for hosting. Do I miss something by not using webflow?
Hello, I just found you while doing some research on the web builders. I have already started with Webflow but because I got some e-commerce requests I immediately got stuck. I am beginner and I will not switch to Shopify, but Woocommerce seems a viable option. Therefore I also found information about Bricks builder and I kind of understand what you mean by having both tools in my toolbox. Besides that I see there is actually many people who left Webflow, going to Bricks, when I heard and thought before, it is opposite way only. I am not sure whether is reasonable to start learning both, because then I will not be able to get good in any shortly. For the e-commerce I am also considering exploring Stripe Payment links as an alternative. However what I wanted to ask is, how would you specify the type of projects suitable for Webflow vs Bricks, assuming both tools stay in the toolbox? :)
It’s actually pretty hard to identify. I think if you understand Webflow first and its limitations, you’re then able to more easily spot where Bricks would be a better solution. It’s also not just about your work that should determine what tool you use. The clients requirements plays a part in all this too! My 2 bits of advice, start with Webflow (or even Framer) BUT follow where your money is coming from. If you’re getting e-commerce clients then maybe Woo Commerce is the way to go…
Honestly compared to mastering coding it easier just to master several page builders! Years of using HTML, CSS and Javascript having a knowledge of wordpress builders and webflow are all awesome. I find for small businesses WordPress is the best!
I think it entirely depends on what you want to create. The no code tools you use rely on mastering code so if building these apps is what you want to do then mastering is the way to go. Plus, knowing code can get yourself out of tricky situations without having to rely on others.
Webflow is nice until you start building larger websites. The issue is that Webflow is much more locked down than Wordpress. There are amazing plugins for Wordpress that couldn’t possibly exist on Webflow just due to the way it works under the hood. Wordpress is open source, which means plugin developers have free range to change how Wordpress works at its very core. Webflow is closed source, and developers can only modify how it works through APIs provided by Webflow itself. The other really big advantage Wordpress has is the client interface can be completely modified either with custom code or preexisting plugins. This means you can design the “backend” admin panel your client sees. With Webflow, you’re stuck with their two out of the box solutions: Client Mode and Full Design Mode. If you care about the UX for your clients at all, you pick the tool that gives them the best solution, not the one that is easiest for you to learn. Even if you don’t like Wordpress, the reality is many potential clients likely already have a Wordpress website. If you’re planning on selling them a website built with an extremely niche tool (
Everyone’s going to have different use cases. The only plugin I’ve ever paid for is Advanced Custom fields + repeater (before it was subscription) and Pinegrow. Everything else would be free. What plugins have cost you money btw?
@webflowandcode When it comes to building a site with WordPress, it gets way more expensive. If you have used free plugins with it comes to styling, appointment booking pages, email marketing features, and any other kinds of resources for FREE. Then please tell me where I can find these free plugins? Cause I haven't found very much of them for free.
@webflowandcode Most of these website developers be cappin big time. If you want to use a bunch of adams and functionality to your word press website , it is very expensive. Especially when you build word press websites for clients. If you know any cheaper or free alterminatives when it comes to building unlimited wordpress websites for clients , please let me know.
@webflowandcode Another thing you have to keep in mind is that Wordpress is very complex, and you have to understand code. An order To be very dominant in word press. That is a problem especially for people who are just getting started in web development. That's why I love webb flow a lot more than wordpress.
Would you be willing to give Wordpress + Bricks a shot?
I have been using this combo for 1 year, really love it, very like the experience I had with Webflow but with more flexbility and more cost-effective
Amazing!! Thanks for sharing!
I rarely work in Webflow for new clients anymore. Loved Webflow but too often when the project grows or client requires out of the box functionality Webflow came short. Bricks (Building) + GSAP (Animation) + ACF Pro (For a bespoke CMS) = Anything is possible. The best thing about Bricks, if used correctly there is zero bloat and excellent page speed scores.
Yeah!! Webflow can get you very far but sometimes not far enough. Already having sketchy workarounds particularly with CMS items
what tool would you recommend someone to use that has some experience dabbling in design and websites but only interested in making a website for themself. But wants it to look A+? I don't have any crazy requirements I just need to be able to integrate a 3rd party appointment platform
Try Framer!! Aims to be more of a design tool that builds websites without having to worry about an awful lot of web dev stuff. I’ve got a few vids on it
I'm webdesigner since 20 years, I never build a website with webflow, I'm fully working with wordpress and page builders & plugins, I'm using my own cloud for hosting. Do I miss something by not using webflow?
Peace of mind with regard to maintenance and scaling I think is the biggest thing.
@@webflowandcode Thanks a good point to think about. That's also make me want to know more about webstudio…
6:42 - Gutenberg is really awesome!
I’m sure I have more to discover with it and it has its time/place
Hello, I just found you while doing some research on the web builders.
I have already started with Webflow but because I got some e-commerce requests I immediately got stuck. I am beginner and I will not switch to Shopify, but Woocommerce seems a viable option. Therefore I also found information about Bricks builder and I kind of understand what you mean by having both tools in my toolbox. Besides that I see there is actually many people who left Webflow, going to Bricks, when I heard and thought before, it is opposite way only.
I am not sure whether is reasonable to start learning both, because then I will not be able to get good in any shortly. For the e-commerce I am also considering exploring Stripe Payment links as an alternative.
However what I wanted to ask is, how would you specify the type of projects suitable for Webflow vs Bricks, assuming both tools stay in the toolbox? :)
It’s actually pretty hard to identify. I think if you understand Webflow first and its limitations, you’re then able to more easily spot where Bricks would be a better solution. It’s also not just about your work that should determine what tool you use. The clients requirements plays a part in all this too!
My 2 bits of advice, start with Webflow (or even Framer) BUT follow where your money is coming from. If you’re getting e-commerce clients then maybe Woo Commerce is the way to go…
@@webflowandcode Thank you :)
No problem
Honestly compared to mastering coding it easier just to master several page builders! Years of using HTML, CSS and Javascript having a knowledge of wordpress builders and webflow are all awesome. I find for small businesses WordPress is the best!
I think it entirely depends on what you want to create. The no code tools you use rely on mastering code so if building these apps is what you want to do then mastering is the way to go. Plus, knowing code can get yourself out of tricky situations without having to rely on others.
I'll take webflow over wordpress any day.
Webflow is nice until you start building larger websites. The issue is that Webflow is much more locked down than Wordpress. There are amazing plugins for Wordpress that couldn’t possibly exist on Webflow just due to the way it works under the hood. Wordpress is open source, which means plugin developers have free range to change how Wordpress works at its very core. Webflow is closed source, and developers can only modify how it works through APIs provided by Webflow itself.
The other really big advantage Wordpress has is the client interface can be completely modified either with custom code or preexisting plugins. This means you can design the “backend” admin panel your client sees. With Webflow, you’re stuck with their two out of the box solutions: Client Mode and Full Design Mode. If you care about the UX for your clients at all, you pick the tool that gives them the best solution, not the one that is easiest for you to learn.
Even if you don’t like Wordpress, the reality is many potential clients likely already have a Wordpress website. If you’re planning on selling them a website built with an extremely niche tool (
Wordpress can be very expensive, especially when it comes to adding plugins.
Everyone’s going to have different use cases. The only plugin I’ve ever paid for is Advanced Custom fields + repeater (before it was subscription) and Pinegrow. Everything else would be free. What plugins have cost you money btw?
@webflowandcode When it comes to building a site with WordPress, it gets way more expensive. If you have used free plugins with it comes to styling, appointment booking pages, email marketing features, and any other kinds of resources for FREE. Then please tell me where I can find these free plugins? Cause I haven't found very much of them for free.
@webflowandcode Other than that, I'm rolling with webflow. I dont know where you get the idea that using WordPress is a lot cheaper??
@webflowandcode Most of these website developers be cappin big time. If you want to use a bunch of adams and functionality to your word press website , it is very expensive. Especially when you build word press websites for clients. If you know any cheaper or free alterminatives when it comes to building unlimited wordpress websites for clients , please let me know.
@webflowandcode Another thing you have to keep in mind is that Wordpress is very complex, and you have to understand code. An order To be very dominant in word press. That is a problem especially for people who are just getting started in web development. That's why I love webb flow a lot more than wordpress.