I used Webflow and Wized for quite some time and made about 200 tutorials about it - and the best decision of my life was stopping using Wized and moving to Toddle!
Yeah I definitely think it’s way more suited. Wized shouldn’t exist. It’s a liability. Has it sort of stagnated a bit? I haven’t seen V2 launch (haven’t followed)
Great video. Webflow is a fantastic platform for certain things, but it's good to know its limitations so you don't get deep into a project before realizing that you are using the wrong tool for the job.
The GDPR point is one that’s spoken about often but very poorly understood amongst the community. If you’re concerned, you should definitely speak to a legal advisor however, if you really think Webflow has a big GDPR issue, you’re pretty much out of luck with 98% of no code tools as almost none of them have EU based servers. Webflow is self certified under the data privacy framework, as are platforms like Bubble. Sure, if you’re dealing with highly sensitive health info, maybe give these platforms a miss but for lost scenarios, they are compliant.
Also, I hear a lot of people in the community down play the native webflow signup/login functionality but don’t actually ever see an explanation as to why it’s so bad. I’d love someone to elaborate on this as I am not the most knowledgable on auth stuff
Fantastic video. Great to hear these from a technical person. I have a similar video lined up mentioning 10-12 different types of websites and explaining if webflow can/should do it or not. I will mention this one for sure once I make that.
Mentioned this on Twitter. I think this is all drama that’ll blow over in time. I also think that no professional website should be on something like WPEngine or Wordpress.com. It’s too abstracted and costly for professional application.
It’s a tricky question. I’m not sure I have an answer. I still choose Wordpress as there’s very little that replace it in the no code world. It’s a great balance between simplicity and powerful for certain applications. I think ultimately it’s a case by case basis
You missed a huge handicap of webflow: You are hosting your website and all your work on a proprietary platform; if tomorrow they decide to increase their prices too much, or if they just decide your websites are not aligned in some way with their business, they can just turn off the switch and you loose all your hard work...
@@sukumarramamoorthy4997 ammm no. If you use a self host software (Ie WordPress) this can not happen. Also, if you develop your WebApp, this can not happen. With webflow and others like framer, you are not the owner of your code. Also, sure, you can "export" the code from webflow, but only the static code, and today, if you are doing static websites, you are doing it wrong.
@@sukumarramamoorthy4997 amm no. If you use a self hosted software like WordPress, this cannot happen to you. Also, in webflow you can export static code, so what good is that in a day and age where you rely on dynamic data and components for developing a website? Webflow's "export" option doesn't give you the ownership of your code and data.
I’ve been looking for an alternative for WP and I was thinking webflow was it but now you threw me under the bus. Most of my projects consist of creating client portals for my client’s clients. WP becomes very expansive with these things and not to mention the pain that is to design. Do you have any thoughts on this?
First off the is not the right usage of “threw me under the bus” haha. Secondly, yes, I wouldn’t recommend using WF for this as you’ll likely need integrations with other tools and doing this from the front end is super insecure. Try Toddle or Webstudio for that
WF should never jump into e-commerce. IMO it was just bold move trying to get share on marked and sitting on two chairs instead of focusing on fixing WF issues and improving current statesg. Final result is that who is serious about their business they will never use WF for e-commerce. As was mentioned in video (I agree with most for what was said ) WF is good for simple marketing websites. nothing else.
Clickbait title. WF has its limitations but has provided me with a solid income and allowed me to understand code far more than what I would have done if the WF platform was not available. A lot of my clients love it for its editable services.
I don’t think you got the point in the video. You’re talking about what Webflow enables you to do (which is great) but I’m discussing what TYPES of websites Webflow should be used to build.
@webflowandcode If you are discussing what types of sites Webflow should be used for, in terms of design and development, then a more accurate title would be ‘What type of site is Webflow good for.’ I’m not sure that a title like ‘Webflow is $hit’ is very descriptive or accurate in relation to the content that follows. Additionally, you might find that other developers have achieved impressive results with Webflow, beyond your current skill set, and you may be perceiving Webflow’s limitations based on your own experience. Just something to consider.
Learnt almost everything I know while using Webflow, but came to a point where I know using Webflow to create webapps is just not sensible 😅 Learn any framework like Nextjs, Remix, Astro... and you'll be way safer
I was about to launch an app with Webflow/Wized and I learned about security, OMG! Wized should not even exist, so many security issues just like you're explaining. Ridiculous
I feel like Astro is a better solution for most of the brochure websites that webflow is used for. The only real advantage of webflow is if you don't know how to code, and just know UX / design. Even then though it seems to me like to use webflow well you need to at least know a decent amount of css and some javascript anyways, so once you are at a beginner level with those technologies what is the point of being locked into a proprietary tool / CMS?
Personally I disagree. Writing code for a brochureware website is not a conducive use of time. It’s fun for sure but consider a no code tool like Webstudio or Pinegrow. If feel like these are best of both worlds
@@webflowandcode is the speed improvement that much? I suppose it's subjective but Consider you can copy paste components / edit just certain sections of previously written code? I think there is room for both tools but if the brochure website ever needs any dynamism then you can still use Astro with a tool like webflow you may have to rebuild at that point. Just my two cents.
been using webflow for 4y, im sick and tired of it and switching to wordpress it has way superior CMS... also bricks theme for wordpress is just webflow builder on steroids
I used Webflow and Wized for quite some time and made about 200 tutorials about it - and the best decision of my life was stopping using Wized and moving to Toddle!
A few people mentioning Toddle! I’d like to hear why this was a good decision?
@@webflowandcode It is just a great tool without much hard limitations - it’s feels like it was made for what we use it for ;-)
Best decision I made was to stop trying to keep up with the ‘next best thing’ in the no/low code world and to start learning a framework (Sveltekit).
Yeah I definitely think it’s way more suited. Wized shouldn’t exist. It’s a liability. Has it sort of stagnated a bit? I haven’t seen V2 launch (haven’t followed)
“Next best thing” is arguably worse in the coding world BTW.
Great video. Webflow is a fantastic platform for certain things, but it's good to know its limitations so you don't get deep into a project before realizing that you are using the wrong tool for the job.
You got the point in the video! I was worried people wouldn’t.
The GDPR point is one that’s spoken about often but very poorly understood amongst the community. If you’re concerned, you should definitely speak to a legal advisor however, if you really think Webflow has a big GDPR issue, you’re pretty much out of luck with 98% of no code tools as almost none of them have EU based servers. Webflow is self certified under the data privacy framework, as are platforms like Bubble. Sure, if you’re dealing with highly sensitive health info, maybe give these platforms a miss but for lost scenarios, they are compliant.
Also, I hear a lot of people in the community down play the native webflow signup/login functionality but don’t actually ever see an explanation as to why it’s so bad. I’d love someone to elaborate on this as I am not the most knowledgable on auth stuff
Fantastic video. Great to hear these from a technical person.
I have a similar video lined up mentioning 10-12 different types of websites and explaining if webflow can/should do it or not. I will mention this one for sure once I make that.
I’ll be interested to hear your take
I think webflow is fine for simple brochure websites.
Toddle is a tool for Web apps
I liked toddle and yeah. Definitely more appropriate for web apps. Did you see my video on it?
@@webflowandcodecan you post the link?
Could you do a follow up on Framer?
To be honest I think Framer follows are pretty similar pattern. I’ll have a think because I think your question is valid
A lot of valid points in this video, I'd be curious to know what you think of WordPress right now
Mentioned this on Twitter. I think this is all drama that’ll blow over in time. I also think that no professional website should be on something like WPEngine or Wordpress.com. It’s too abstracted and costly for professional application.
@@webflowandcodeoh Yes! I asked the wrong question, I was rather wondering what you thought about the evolution of the platform, the ecosystem...
It’s a tricky question. I’m not sure I have an answer. I still choose Wordpress as there’s very little that replace it in the no code world. It’s a great balance between simplicity and powerful for certain applications. I think ultimately it’s a case by case basis
You missed a huge handicap of webflow: You are hosting your website and all your work on a proprietary platform; if tomorrow they decide to increase their prices too much, or if they just decide your websites are not aligned in some way with their business, they can just turn off the switch and you loose all your hard work...
I’m more trying to express what websites can be built with Webflow but you’re totally right. Any bugs they introduce too!
This could happen with any platform and webflow let's you export code fyi
@@sukumarramamoorthy4997 ammm no. If you use a self host software (Ie WordPress) this can not happen. Also, if you develop your WebApp, this can not happen. With webflow and others like framer, you are not the owner of your code. Also, sure, you can "export" the code from webflow, but only the static code, and today, if you are doing static websites, you are doing it wrong.
You can export your code
@@sukumarramamoorthy4997 amm no. If you use a self hosted software like WordPress, this cannot happen to you. Also, in webflow you can export static code, so what good is that in a day and age where you rely on dynamic data and components for developing a website? Webflow's "export" option doesn't give you the ownership of your code and data.
Have you tried Wized?
Did you watch the video?
@@webflowandcode Sorry! I missed that bit. Forgive me, I don't speak English very well.
All good. What would you like to know? I’m no expert at it but my overall sentiment that Wized/Similar is not an appropriate use of Webflow
I’ve been looking for an alternative for WP and I was thinking webflow was it but now you threw me under the bus.
Most of my projects consist of creating client portals for my client’s clients. WP becomes very expansive with these things and not to mention the pain that is to design.
Do you have any thoughts on this?
First off the is not the right usage of “threw me under the bus” haha.
Secondly, yes, I wouldn’t recommend using WF for this as you’ll likely need integrations with other tools and doing this from the front end is super insecure. Try Toddle or Webstudio for that
Silly question but if you have your blog or whatever on Wordpress do the filters etc work server side then?
What do you mean by filters? Anything that’s available on page load and JavaScript switched off is a good indication of server side rendered HTML
Do you think Webflow will expand more towards ecommerce?
Honestly it’s hard to see. They’ve doubled down on the designer and backed off on other “distractions” (memberships, logic)
WF should never jump into e-commerce. IMO it was just bold move trying to get share on marked and sitting on two chairs instead of focusing on fixing WF issues and improving current statesg. Final result is that who is serious about their business they will never use WF for e-commerce. As was mentioned in video (I agree with most for what was said ) WF is good for simple marketing websites. nothing else.
Clickbait title. WF has its limitations but has provided me with a solid income and allowed me to understand code far more than what I would have done if the WF platform was not available. A lot of my clients love it for its editable services.
I don’t think you got the point in the video. You’re talking about what Webflow enables you to do (which is great) but I’m discussing what TYPES of websites Webflow should be used to build.
@webflowandcode
If you are discussing what types of sites Webflow should be used for, in terms of design and development, then a more accurate title would be ‘What type of site is Webflow good for.’ I’m not sure that a title like ‘Webflow is $hit’ is very descriptive or accurate in relation to the content that follows. Additionally, you might find that other developers have achieved impressive results with Webflow, beyond your current skill set, and you may be perceiving Webflow’s limitations based on your own experience. Just something to consider.
Learnt almost everything I know while using Webflow, but came to a point where I know using Webflow to create webapps is just not sensible 😅
Learn any framework like Nextjs, Remix, Astro... and you'll be way safer
It’s an absolute mess. A clever mess but the security aspects don’t do it any favours either.
I was about to launch an app with Webflow/Wized and I learned about security, OMG! Wized should not even exist, so many security issues just like you're explaining. Ridiculous
I think they’ve made improvements in V2 but I have no idea what the status is. Regardless, this stuff shouldn’t be done client side
@@webflowandcode Doesn't Wized have something called Secrets to ensure secure connections to third-party apps (backend), like Xano?
I feel like Astro is a better solution for most of the brochure websites that webflow is used for. The only real advantage of webflow is if you don't know how to code, and just know UX / design. Even then though it seems to me like to use webflow well you need to at least know a decent amount of css and some javascript anyways, so once you are at a beginner level with those technologies what is the point of being locked into a proprietary tool / CMS?
Personally I disagree. Writing code for a brochureware website is not a conducive use of time. It’s fun for sure but consider a no code tool like Webstudio or Pinegrow. If feel like these are best of both worlds
@@webflowandcode is the speed improvement that much? I suppose it's subjective but Consider you can copy paste components / edit just certain sections of previously written code? I think there is room for both tools but if the brochure website ever needs any dynamism then you can still use Astro with a tool like webflow you may have to rebuild at that point. Just my two cents.
been using webflow for 4y, im sick and tired of it and switching to wordpress it has way superior CMS... also bricks theme for wordpress is just webflow builder on steroids
I think more people need to know about Bricks
I use a text editor and a browser.
Keep it simple
Webflow is truly s. Sorry but it is. Absolutely hate it with a passion now. Used to have a love affair with it but that has long since passed.
Dislike for clickbait title
Aw didums.
I actually unsubscribed in the end. Plenty of quality content out there.
Love it!
no worries ill replace your subscription
@@joshmadrid5253 ahh thanks Josh, you’re a life saver as always.