Train of Thought COMPILATION - Unusual Experimental Engines
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2023
- A binge compilation of some weird, one of a kind engines for you to study, sleep or otherwise enjoy yourself to
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Alright, here’s timeline for y’all
0:00 Fairlie Locomotives
3:34 The “Hush-Hush”
5:51 GER A50 “Decapod”
8:05 Big “Emma” Bertha
10:58 LNER U1
15:02 Fontaine Locomotives
17:43 Kitson Still Engine
22:07 Volks Electric Railway
26:27 Plane Powered Trains
33:05 TurboJet Trains
38:09 Fowler’s Ghost
41:52 SR Leader Class
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Excellent compilation although I would like to have seen more footage of steam locomotive scrapping as most of these designs got scrapped early.
yes ty
The decapod and big Bertha are just examples when the Brits unknowingly built steam locomotives with the same philosophy as us Americans. Absolutely Fantastic.
XD
Yeah
It's almost as if us Americans had to deal with bigger trains and steeper grades...
Well, we are literally the same people. Especially at that time.
“Mike, you built a US loco…” “Crap”
@@Just-vibin-51 "Oi, ye made a yank engine!" "Rotten shits..."
I was just looking at the Banking locos and thinking, "Shays would have been great in this scenario."
I like how Fairlie basically reinvented the tank engine, made it worse, and somehow didn't notice that he did precisely these things.
Yes, TRAIN compilation
I wish all four prototypical locos of the big four were preserved. Hush Hush, Fury, the Great Bear and the Leader would be very unique museum pieces or a good sight for heritage tours.
Yeah, crazy in hindsight that they just scrapped those... Museums could have been filled with them indeed
@@honderdzeventienI mean at the time they were probably seen as a waste of space and money, so I get it. Most locos were preserved thanks to luck rather than forethought anyway.
At one point, one of the southern locomotive preservation groups joked about rebuilding the leader for April fools... One can dream, though.
I agree. And same with aircraft. So much history lost to the scrap yard.
@@marty6779 That's true. Basically it's just a bunch of scrap metal occupying, in theory, useful space. By now this 'herritage loc' is an established idea. And trainspotting has become a rather serious hobby, and even a proffesion to some, so there's a real valid case to be made for preservation.
Back then, I imagine any yard chief or rail executive would have given you the look. "Heritage? There's money to be made!"
The 'Hush-hush' was also known as the 'Ghost' or 'Un-named' Streak. ('Streak' was the colloquial name for A4 Pacifics.) I actually saw it, in the engine shed at Stevenage in the 1950s. It was like coming face to face with a Unicorn.
Big Bertha deserved a better end: such as retiring to a heritage museum or a place of honor at the NRM.
I'd even accept a transfer to Wellsworth.
@@QJ89 me too I would also send it to wellsworth.
Fowler's Ghost is a fun side journey to go down. The problem with the engine was a back injector. The Fire bricks have been postulated to not get hotter than the melting point of crown sheets so the theory is the Fire bricks prevented the crown sheet from failing due to low water.
It would normally be considered a rather long documentary, but I'm a big fan of long documentaries, especially where they have true pictures and facts. I enjoyed it very much. Keep up the good work!
OOohh Thats an hour of my life that is gonna be well spent :)
yep!
Was it?
@@honderdzeventien yes
Compilation of your best videos, obscure experimental engines are underrated.
Agreed
The ultimate train compilation
Fowler’s Ghost also had other issues. The firebricks were a bad choice to retain heat, low heat capacity. Meaning they may get really hot, but they do store much heat energy…
Fireless steam engines work much better - they use the superheated water as the heat storage. As steam is drawn from the boiler, some of the water flashes into steam, lowering the temperature of the water a tiny bit (and thus causing the pressure to drop a little bit), a cycle that can be repeated many times until the steam pressure is too low to use.
To charge, they have a pipe with holes in the bottom of a cylindrical pressure vessel - no firebox, no flues etc -where hot, fresh steam is pumped into the boiler. Starting with a boiler half-full with cold water, they get to about 3/4 full (I understand) with steam and really hot water, and that allows them to work for ~2 hours. If you have onsite steam anyway, …
Puttin the bad piggies theme on the aero wagon part is a brilliant idea
Imagine if Bulleid's "Leader" loco would have simply built with an oil burning boiler...
He'd still have to face the problems with valve tribology, leaks, and seizing, and the issues with the asymmetrical chains.
And finding enough ASLEF men to tend the boiler... which would still need fairly frequent and careful attention deep in that casing.
@@wizlish The N & W in conjunction with Westinghouse produced a steam locomotive which required only a single crew member. Tribology would not present a long term problem though it would require some real thinking - in the UK oil was all too frequently degraded by atomisers as opposed to being delivered directly to point of application.
I think you're describing the M2 Automatic... which was a converted 4-8-0 intended for switching/marshaling service that could run "as long as a diesel" without a fireman or ash handling. It was not exactly a poster child for a road locomotive, although it pioneered the kind of chain-grate firing used on the N&W TE-1.
The 'tribology' issue was unique to Leader's and Hartland Point's sleeves: you couldn't keep them unseized and steamtight at the same time, and the amount of oil necessary was an appreciable fraction of what a comparable diesel would burn...
He went to Ireland and created the turf burner and that was relatively successful. What came out of the workshop as leader was however not how bulleid originally designed it as well, as he designed it with oil firing in mind, which would have not required it to have the offset boiler and the consequent balance issues.
Ultimately the decision had been made that diesel was the future by the time leader was getting trials, so it was seen at the time as a fools errand to go with it.
Bulleid later said I believe that some of his designs were ahead of where material science needed to be and this contributed to some of the problems faced by his locomotives.
The 'Hush Hush' was a defacto Hudson wheel arrangement: much more popular across the Pond.
Actually it wasn't: a) being European it would've been a Baltic and b) it's wheel arrangement was a 4-6-2-2 so really neither a Baltic nor a pacific, but seeing as it's basic form was a pacific we'll run with that one
Neppa: Vegeta, what does the scouter say about its power level?
Vegeta: ITS OVER 9000!!!!!
There is a file held in the National Railway Museum in York which contains the North Road works documentation about 10000. The single item which caused serious problems for the locomotive was a pipe. This pipe was supposed to supply the steam to the auxiliary equipment fitted to the engine. And it was too small at 1.5" i.d. and two pipes were recommended a; single 1.5" pipe for the injector and a 1.25" pipe for the combination ejector and other fittings. As originally built the auxiliary supply could not meet the demand of the injector which meant that the boiler would not steam well because it could not be supplied with sufficient water. It took a long time to identify this problem which proved to be a serious setback. As an experimental machine it was supposed to equal the power output of an A1 Pacific and design started in 1926 but it was Sept 1932 before it was proved that the engine consistently produced a full head of steam. So the boiler worked well and the records held show that this boiler gave little trouble, so quite where some writers obtained their material from we can only guess.
The big issue was finding out how to work the engine as a compound and the LNER never quite got there because early 20th century testing results gave rise to incorrect conclusions. It was believed that the L.P. cut off should be fixed and the H.P. cut off adjusted to meet the demand and this was proved by Chapelon to be wrong and to be fair their was a school of thought (a minority) that also believed this to be the case. The H.P. cut off should be long (as much as 90%) with the L.P. cut off being adjusted to meet demand. 10000 was fitted with a Kylchap exhaust and data collected from the setting up tests for this shows that the idea of this machine being limited by design to equal the A1s was very mistaken. One engineer came up with a figure slightly under 4,000 hp. using the 90% H.P. cut off.
M-497 was never intended for passenger service. It was a test mule much like its Soviet counterpart. It did develop good data on running at high speeds on track that was not specially prepared. The conclusion was that, so long as the track was in reasonably good condition, and had been well-built to begin with (ie-with the much heavier load factors found in the US), there was no reason why a lightweight train couldn't safely run at high speeds without damaging itself or the track. The ride comfort, on the other hand, left a bit to be desired.
The fact that sonic music notably oil ocean, is playing in the background while he talks about the experimental locos. A man of both cultures I can stand by
Yeah Thanx man, this really was a nice doc. I'm very much on your train-of-thoughts. 1st class;-)
Some of the stuff featured I already knew, either from your vids or others, but it didn't matter cause this summary is well compiled, and produced, like the elements of the compilation already were. Also, I think you have a good narrating voice.
I know the subject's an era apart, but I'd like to see some similar comp's on e-locs and diesels maybe? Idk, just do your thing man. Thx
Thank you sir, this is what we needed.
5:15: “Duck called me a ‘galloping sausage!’”
THANK YOU. Fantastic. No auto play, just raw compilation. Thank u sir big up love ur channel man
Alt title : who the fuck cooked in the works
Either way they were baked
Besides the Fairlies the Ffstiniog has Spooner's Boat, a vehicle equipped with a sail.
I grew up with Magnus Volk's grandonson. We were both obsessed with radio control models.
We used to play on the remnants of the blocks of The Daddylonglegs, as children at Rottingdean. It must have been a wonderful steampunk thing to see.
I went to school with 'ole Magnus. He was constantly doodling and carving his wooden desk up with silly trains that had stilts, with little wheels on the bottom. With a big yellow smiling face sun up in the corner, and a wire hanging from the sun to power the train. What a character Magnus was. And he would bring his pet goat in for show-n-tell. When the goat died his mother cooked it.
Thank you for giving old steam engine knowledge
Such awesome forgotten trains... Thanks for sharing.
Lets see i thank thats good ol 6 truing an 4 bruing that was the nick name of the plans the j47 came off of big plane great video 👍👍👍👍
5:15 "Duck called me a Galloping Sausage!!"
5:14 They called that the "Galloping Sausage" even though trains up to that point were literally shaped in cylindrical, sausage shape, and this was covered over and looked nothing like one- like wtf!?
Sausages are curved. Conventional boilers are straight. The Hush-Hush boiler has a tapered front that makes it look curved.
I wish we could see a modern version of a steam engine, even if it's not a locomotive. Great video! I've loved trains for as long as I can remember so it's cool to see what could have been!
He should do a video on some of the modern steam developments -- Livio Dante Porta, Turbomotive 2, Shoemaker's NALC design with the converted diesel engine, for a few starters -- and then discuss the adaptation of the enginion AG 'ZEE' to railroad service as a multiple-cylinder motor locomotive like the Sentinel built for South America, the Roosen BR 19, or the Besler constant torque (B&O W-1). There is something to be said for 7250psi at 950C with separately-fired superheat... single-expansion...
There is an org manufacturing a brand new PRR class T1 , number 5550
5:15 *only British people and their quietly brutal sense of humor would come up with a name like "galloping sausage"*
The first recorded use of a propeller driven "train" is when German military aviators based in Palestine mounted a spare Mercedes aircraft engine with propeller on a flat car; to go to a seaside town many miles distant. Reportedly it did not have brakes...
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Props for shoehorning in the ex Crippled Black Pheonix chap that is Joe Volk 😂 I was just chatting to a mate who was a big fan - hilarious coincidence!
Nice to have these all in one spot.
Planning on doing a Halloween series like you did last October?
That last one... it looks a lot like someone described a diesel locomotive over the phone but neglected to mention it was diesel.
Great compilation!
That hybrid steam/diesel engine is really cool. They were actually in service for a bit. Cool how they could use the diesel cylinders with steam.
I love these kinds of locos 😁
Fowler's ghost and the Kitson still are my favorite obscure/Experimental locomotives ^^
We have a Fairlie in our museum 'Josephine' sadly it will never run again, it,s chassis is badly rusted and beyond repair, only about 6 Fairlie's exist now of which i believe 2 run!
True. That's one of the unsuccessful E's but it's biggest claim I feel is that it's the only survivor from the provincial government days.
There is of course the single R which survives: the R and S 0-6-4t single fairlies being very successful in NZ
The LMS Fury was rebuilt by Stanier with a conventional boiler, becoming 6170 British Legion. I'm suprised by the lack of any mention of Stanier's Princess Royal Class Pacific turbine loco 6202 Turbomotive constructed in 1935. It too was rebuilt as a conventional member of the class in 1952. Only two months later it was involved in the Harrow & Wealdstone disaster. It was subsequently deemed uneconomical to repair and scrapped.
Yup
And replaced by 71000 Duke of Gloucester
You forgot to mention the German turbine locos class T18 produced by Krupp and Maffei in the 1920s as well as the Schwarzkopf-Löffler High-pressure steam engine. The latter built on a frame of a class 01-Pacific wheel arrangement but with a 3-cylinder-compound engine.
Amazing channel. Amazing locos.
I’d love another one of these for all the awesome ghost tot vids we got last October
This definitely needs a part 2
Frank Sprague created the first practical ekectric rail line on Richmond, Virginia, USA.
The hush-hush/galloping sausage is possibly the most British thing I’ve ever heard.
Bro really used the bad piggies music in his video. Not even an insult you’ve got a banger set list.
Thank you for such a very interesting and informative presentation! I had never heard or seen some of these ideas and was interested to hear of them😮
I just realized that the song from bad piggies was playing in the background and I applaud you my good sir. This is the perfect atmosphere to set 😂
Who doesn’t enjoy a good experiment with their locomotives?
Ever heard of the GT3 Gas Turbine locomotive? I only found out this interesting locomotive from the History of Railways, Chartwell Books Inc. Good Railroad book at least for me.
Union Pacific bought and successively operated a series of gas turbine-electric locomotives in the '50s and '60s. The fuel was a viscous petroleum oil called "bunker C", which at the time was in common use for firing marine steam turbine engines in ocean going ships. Bunker C was cheap and plentiful, and UP was happy with its gas turbines, but the price of bunker C was increasing over time making the gas turbines increasingly uneconomical to operate. Eventually the railroad retired them in favor of ever more powerful second generation diesels.
Interestingly, Union Pacific experimented with a coal fired turbine-electric. The coal was carried in a separate tender unit which mechanically pulverized the coal into a fine powder which was then fed to the burner and hence through the turbine. The project was abandoned when it was discovered that fine unburned coal particles were eroding the turbine's blades.
Keep in mind that UP80/8080 was a follow-on to the very long and often interesting coal-burning experiments under John Yellott at Bituminous Coal Research. This has been covered by Eric Hirsimaki, iirc in the early 2000s. The ash issues alone were long-term showstoppers.
Very interesting! I don't know anything about British railway systems or rolling stock so I enjoyed the opportunity to view this video.
Thanks for sharing this information.
🙈🙉🙊 😎 🇺🇸
Great video 😊
nice to see some longer videos
The last one would be cool for Thomas and friends because all the steam engines could think that he’s a diesel and then he could shock everyone by blowing steam at them XD
Cool nice
more of this please !
Very interesting video. A really good watch 😊
I agree
One thing to keep in mind is that Hush Hush having that wheel arrangement made it a Hudson/Baltic rather than a Pacific.
Actually it's neither: hush hush was a 4-6-2+2 in the same frame, so really a stand alone.
Probably just call the wheel arrangement a hush hush if it ever needed a name, joins those very few named Whyte arrangements as a unique locomotive, or a Whyte with no name at all
That second soviet Steam diesel hybrid Gould still be sitting somewhere in a mildewing warehouse deep in Russia! that would be a monumental find!
24:37 “Daddy Long Legs”- One of the kind was built at the entrance of the harbor of Saint Malo/France as a ferry/ rolling bridge to Saint Servan - opened in 1873 , closed in 1922….
Btw- Werner Siemens opened the first electric tramway in the world in 1881…just two years earlier.
@41:00 Fowler's ghost... History in the Dark has done several videos on locomotives that have or tried to kill their crews. It has been featured on one of these and a few other videos on various categories of failed locos.
You need to make some playlists lol
Ok top gun dont get to excited next thang you no y'all be sliding around the house in ya socks......great video 👍👍👍👍👍
I guess that driving a train with an aeroplane propellor also ran the risk of unscheduled hair-cuts when waiting at a station! Nasty!
You oughta do a compilation of the ghost train of thought series
Just something to make the Decapod a little bit worse, there's some evidence to suggest the GER cheated on the trials.
When the engine's design specs were put into a modern vehicle design software it's maximum acceleration was just short of the electric trains of the time, and significantly short of its recorded performance on the day.
On the day of the trials the independent observer didn't ride on the train during the run, only observed the train before heading out, and there were several delays in heading off. It's entirely possible that after the offical observer left they took the balast (representing the weight of a full passenger load in the test train) out to make the train lighter allowing the engine to accelerate faster.
OMG you did, you used “The Core” from Undertale at 12:00 !
Lol I could barely hear it but there it was!!
8:51 "...And so they built THIS!" - Channelling a bit of Clarkson there?
The Fairlie sounds like perfect being the enemy of good enough.
Ngl it would be amazing if Big Bertha was preserved. She's a beauty
The first one is actually sitting in Thompson friends and the engine that scene in the first part of this video is called mighty Mac and yes, they actually showed this exact engine in Thomas and friends and the 80s
So that Diesel-Steam hybrid is the first hybrid train
It looks absolute genius, such a shame they didn't get a chance to refine the process.
Technically there was La Fusée Électrique in France which was a steam-electric hybrid built in 1899 if I recall correctly.
Every trainspotter are gonna have a field day watching this vid
That thing built in The Brighton Works, a tube train on steroids!
Double ended too, very appropriate for my home town.
I think any American rail fan knows we have the best articulated locos. Or at least the most popular.
whilst admittedly living in shadow its its preposterous railway design i'd say that Lartigue Monorail had quite strange machines running on it.
An excellent collection. There's one loco I'd like to see featured and that's a pre WW2 German loco that was a hybrid Diesel compressed air. The Mark 1 version was about 30% more efficient than Diesel electrics at that time. It would be interesting to see how much better Marks 3 & 4 could have been.
Sadly it was bombed into oblivion by the allies.
In my big book of trains I got from dad in the 60s there was a Soviet era condensing steam engine used on the steppes I think. Can you find that one?
rule of thumb: oil fired steam engines allow all of your steampunk dreams to come true
*sees title* ' hey is this not just your entire channel '
Now that’s what’s I call “UNUSUAL EXPERIMENT ENGINE LORE*
Good video 🤩😍😄!
When I was working in the Salt River works (Cape Town) I saw a Beyer-Garret with a condenser in front. It seems to have completely disappeared. Any one know what happened to it?
In NZ they had both types of fairlie: the mediocre and short lived B and E double fairlies and the very successful and useful R and larger S 0-6-4t single fairlies, one of which did that thing everyone always wants to see and it failed to stop on a wharf and the drive unit dropped in the sea
daddy long legs/pioneer is the funniest thing I've seen in a while
Can you make a video talking about the London North Eastern Railway P1's please.
The volks electric railway is also notably the oldest electric railway still in operation
This is something I would do. I want to make more trains
I’d buy a dvd of this
2:30 mighty mac
6:42 Hurricane
30:10 Hugo
41:56 Henry
42:51 Neville
Uh-huh. There was Emily, too.
@@ItsDaJaxEmily is not an Experiment engine she’s a Stirling Single locomotive. Which has that big driving wheel
@@Iknowwhoyouare396 I knew it was either experimental or not very successful. If I recall it was supposed to be a high speed loco, hence the big wheel, but ended up being a mixed traffic loco.
Hush Hush didn’t have a standard A1 Frame, it was longer, so needing a 4 wheel trailing boogie, not because of the extra weight. A standard A1 had a 180psi boiler, later A1 locomotives became A3 with 220psi boilers. The original boiler ended its life as a stationary boiler at Faverdale Carriage Works, Darlington.
It my be spelt ‘DERBY’ it’s pronounced “DARBY”
Just remember it wasn't actually a trailing bogie, which, when you think about it of course the NE Pacific's didn't have trailing bogies per Se anyway
I don't have to wait a week for an upload from TOT?
*Exited screaming intensities*
ToT: Here are some weird and cool engines!
Me: hehehe janus
Great compliation! I was interested to know why engines like big bertha and the 7Fs had canted cylinders? Most other freight engines had the cylinders more or less in line with the motion. Why did these engines have their cylinders at such an angle to the motion?
The same with the Hughes Crab, and for the same reason; fitting very large cylinders into the loading gauge.
A long time ago, I had read that some tenders actually had a small steam engine for use at low speed to provide additional power for use in getting a heavy train moving from a dead stop. Can someone look for this as I seen no mention of this in RUclips videos
Google "Tender Boosters"
It's called a booster engine. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booster_engine