When I first started, I did live sound at clubs and bars. This gave me the ability to earn trust by directly working for and with bands hands on. I would pass out business cards that linked to my website where I had pics, samples, contact info, so on. Nearly every show I would get follow ups to do studio tours, many of which resulted in bookings. Within less than a year I was booked solid, sometimes where bands would have to wait 1-4 months to get in. In 3-4 years time I recorded, edited and mixed over 700 songs averaging about $25k a year. (Then Hurricane Irene hit and I lost my studio, but that's another conversation)
It's all G Paul! People in the comments know you're a class-A gentleman and valued your input! We're all watching and wishing you the best to see how your new space takes shape!
Talking about reaching, money and stuff is the best for new comers engineers. Thank you all of 4 sharing experience. Hopefully this will open some eyes to the reality of the business. Will share a bit of my experience, maybe some are in the same situation as I was. I've been on for quite a few years (started as a side job then tried to get it as main job) but had to stop/break because I was feeling in bad health condition due to the amount of work I've put it with just for a few incomes. I was despite, depressed (let's say the word), worked too much to get to clients with almost 0 feedbacks to my reaches. I could not live properly, so had to find a full time job to pay rent and such, now putting money on a side and hopefully will be able to open back in the near future. Music business is really hard to start and get trust online, especially if you do not have the pro look. I started online, making mastering for my techno label, got my first clients when they heard the job and "quality" for the time beeing. Was in 2013, people did not care much about the pro look, I think this was the best time to start something. Now, my setup is very basic, even though my work is great (according to artists that worked with me after trying out some "pro" studios), I have knowledges and skills, but I get laughed at because of my setup. I feel in 2023 artists tend more to go at someone that has a super classy, light, shiny, whatevery setup even with low skill, more than going to where the engineer's experience is. My advice to new comers : Don't let others laugh at you, don't be afraid to work for free to get a nice and clean portfolio. Create a portfolio, be on social media and so, but not too much cause over work is the next door and you don't want to open that door. Most important take care of yourself, find the right balance, get some money to invest in a room slowly but surely and you'll get your dream job. Sorry long one, but experience is always great to share. take care everyone.
I've thought about not showing my setup on my website and just telling that I "work fully in-the-box" because of this. It's just not a very marketable look if you don't have lots of cool analog equipment with VU meters and knobs in a LED lighted room. I've thought that maybe it's better to just try to show the work instead of the setup, like embedding Spotify players on the website and branding your personality with high quality photos of yourself so clients can kind of already build trust as you're showing face etc.
Thats crazy to me that one way was through streaming services. I cold message roughly 250 artists using that method and for me I discovered it was a great way to get some testimonials and build a portfolio, but not a great way to find returning and paying clients. Perhaps my approach was wrong, but that was my experience
That's a big effort; I'm sure despire not finding returning clients you may have learnt some lessons from being in the weeds of dealing with that manny communications!
That's great. Believe it or not, every one of my paying clients comes from forums. I don't mean facebook, instagram, or discord, I mean I make accounts on forums about music/gear, interact with people on there, share my work when it's relevant to the conversation, and people have seen that and PMed me to ask for me to work with them on their projects. Most of that is mastering work, but I have one client who also has the budget and prefers my mixes to his own.
@@panorama_mastering I do, I keep a free linktree updated with links to all the work I've done. My own stuff is there, as well as my contact email. I'll drop that in a separate next comment as youtube often blocks comments with links.
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I love that they spoke about money, straight to the point. Often times, people tend to keep it secret for whatever reason.
Me too; I didn't want to make another vague music business video; people want to be sold a dream; I want to share with them the reality;
Thanks for including me in this, Nick! I love your channel and all that you do🙌
No problem! Thanks for sharing your experience for all the subs!
When I first started, I did live sound at clubs and bars. This gave me the ability to earn trust by directly working for and with bands hands on. I would pass out business cards that linked to my website where I had pics, samples, contact info, so on. Nearly every show I would get follow ups to do studio tours, many of which resulted in bookings. Within less than a year I was booked solid, sometimes where bands would have to wait 1-4 months to get in. In 3-4 years time I recorded, edited and mixed over 700 songs averaging about $25k a year. (Then Hurricane Irene hit and I lost my studio, but that's another conversation)
Currently doing live sound at clubs with same goal in mind. 25k seems kinda low. Are you talking royalties?
Trust me to get tonselitis the week you needed this recorded 🙈
It's all G Paul! People in the comments know you're a class-A gentleman and valued your input!
We're all watching and wishing you the best to see how your new space takes shape!
Shoutout to Paul Third! Hes a sweetheart
An absolute gentleman!
Talking about reaching, money and stuff is the best for new comers engineers. Thank you all of 4 sharing experience. Hopefully this will open some eyes to the reality of the business.
Will share a bit of my experience, maybe some are in the same situation as I was.
I've been on for quite a few years (started as a side job then tried to get it as main job) but had to stop/break because I was feeling in bad health condition due to the amount of work I've put it with just for a few incomes. I was despite, depressed (let's say the word), worked too much to get to clients with almost 0 feedbacks to my reaches. I could not live properly, so had to find a full time job to pay rent and such, now putting money on a side and hopefully will be able to open back in the near future. Music business is really hard to start and get trust online, especially if you do not have the pro look.
I started online, making mastering for my techno label, got my first clients when they heard the job and "quality" for the time beeing. Was in 2013, people did not care much about the pro look, I think this was the best time to start something.
Now, my setup is very basic, even though my work is great (according to artists that worked with me after trying out some "pro" studios), I have knowledges and skills, but I get laughed at because of my setup. I feel in 2023 artists tend more to go at someone that has a super classy, light, shiny, whatevery setup even with low skill, more than going to where the engineer's experience is.
My advice to new comers : Don't let others laugh at you, don't be afraid to work for free to get a nice and clean portfolio. Create a portfolio, be on social media and so, but not too much cause over work is the next door and you don't want to open that door.
Most important take care of yourself, find the right balance, get some money to invest in a room slowly but surely and you'll get your dream job.
Sorry long one, but experience is always great to share.
take care everyone.
I've thought about not showing my setup on my website and just telling that I "work fully in-the-box" because of this. It's just not a very marketable look if you don't have lots of cool analog equipment with VU meters and knobs in a LED lighted room. I've thought that maybe it's better to just try to show the work instead of the setup, like embedding Spotify players on the website and branding your personality with high quality photos of yourself so clients can kind of already build trust as you're showing face etc.
Really valuable insight!
Yeah; huge thanks to these awesome people;
Amazing thank you! Im currently scratching my head about this issue at the moment so this helps with clarity on how to move forward!
Glad it was helpful!
A lot of value here, makes me realise that actually, it is possible and it is just building that snowball. Time, patience and consistency.
Spot on; time in the market wins!
Thats crazy to me that one way was through streaming services. I cold message roughly 250 artists using that method and for me I discovered it was a great way to get some testimonials and build a portfolio, but not a great way to find returning and paying clients.
Perhaps my approach was wrong, but that was my experience
That's a big effort; I'm sure despire not finding returning clients you may have learnt some lessons from being in the weeds of dealing with that manny communications!
When reaching out to offer to mix there stuff, where are these clients getting their music recorded first? Are most doing both?
This content is perfect for me right now, appreciate this a lot, cheers bro💪
Glad to hear it! Thanks for watching!
More of these videos , grazie
Glad you like them! Definitely in time!
Thank you for all the Contant!
My pleasure!
he heard stuff on Spotify and reached out to them to get a mixing job? how does work?
Yes - please persevere with content from Paul Third ... he's funny, true to himself and tenacious
Will do! He's an absolute genlteman!
Great video👍
I must say this video was very frustrating to watch lol. I need to make 2k out of this to make a living
Most people I know mix/master for 50 dollars
That is blasphemy
it's because most people don't want to pay over that. Something I plan to do myself charging about 60 dollars.
Am i the only engineer that thinks anything above 100 bucks is craazy expensive ?
Definitely one of the few lol. Maybe it’s cool though because you might just mix for fun?
That's great. Believe it or not, every one of my paying clients comes from forums. I don't mean facebook, instagram, or discord, I mean I make accounts on forums about music/gear, interact with people on there, share my work when it's relevant to the conversation, and people have seen that and PMed me to ask for me to work with them on their projects. Most of that is mastering work, but I have one client who also has the budget and prefers my mixes to his own.
Yeap; providing value! :) Great work! Have you got links to your portfolio!?
@@panorama_mastering I do, I keep a free linktree updated with links to all the work I've done. My own stuff is there, as well as my contact email. I'll drop that in a separate next comment as youtube often blocks comments with links.
I thought about mixing and mastering for clients recently. Maybe just give it a bash