well, just to play devils advocate, the NPUs they’re adding are probably going to be used to help with upscaling and frame generation, so putting AI in the name might actually be one of the rare cases these days where it kinda makes sense.
There is a test video somewhere on youtube it does better than 890m lol its exciting! He tests it on some major triple A games too and lunar lake beats out 890m by a few frames
Hahahaha... this handheld pc wave is reminding me of the old age of portable videogames, like the game gear, which were gigantic pieces of hardware. As time passed, the devices evolved, reeuced in size, and now they are getting bigger again... The passage of time changes the perception of what is "fashion" back and forth... hahaha...
It’s not fashion, we want a device that’s more portable (smaller) but that directly negatively affects the games we have now compared to sonic and Pokémon back in the day. You can’t play call of duty on no gameboy screen so we are looking for a happy medium now.
True. The only thing I hate about the Switch is the ergonomics, but I like that it has the ability to have attachable third party controllers that improve this.
1 only one set of back buttons 2 no touch pad, windows hello camera 3 I prefer symmetrical layout 4 steamOS support? 5 fingerprint reader? 6 screen with BFI while VRR? 7 maybe SD express
It would have been better if it had detachable controls, and a bit smaller bezels. Using it as a tablet and in tabletop mode would be nice, it also makes it easier to replace the controllers if they stop working. The legion go has smaller bezels then this and the steam deck.
Detachable controls for what? It makes the whole unit more flimsy and it adds a tremendous amount of weight like in the legion Go. Smaller bezels are not really possible as of yet as said by Asus.
I'm considering getting a handheld and I think the legion go detachable controller sorry huge benefit. Mostly because gives it value as a standalone Windows tablet. But it also has a huge screen,. The utility of a standalone tablet with a smaller screen that's probably not as good.
@@pcworld obviously the cost is high for OEMs to purchase the additional Barlow Ridge Thunderbolt 5 discrete controller. This has always been the case with every generation of Thunderbolt Controllers. Discrete solutions are more expensive for the OEMs but an integrated solution is more affordable. Intel have always known this which is why Thunderbolt only gained traction when it was integrated into Tiger Lake. When it comes to mass adoption, very many OEMs always opt out of discrete solutions. Intel is just being greedy as they could still make money if they integrate it natively on Meteor Lake or Lunar Lake. It is such poor strategy that has plagued Intel.
Obviously a Discrete Barlow Ridge Thunderbolt 5 Controller is more expensive to implement than an integrated solution. Intel know this since Thunderbolt 3 was integrated on Tiger Lake. They have failed to integrate Thunderbolt 5 on Meteor Lake or Lunar Lake and there isc no excuse for it except greed. Not only is an integrated solution more cost effective to the OEMs but it also drives mass adoption.
@@docbrody When Intel integrates Thunderbolt into the SOC they don't make as much money as when they sell a discrete controller as well. So they want us to buy from them twice (the SOC and the Discrete Controller) inorder to get Thunderbolt 5.
De todos los productos en este segmento este Msi Claw 8 AI+ y el Rog Ally X son los que posiblemente se le acerquen mas al futuro concepto del portatil de Microsoft, lo cual me parese fantastico!!
Why it has to has a higher price? Because they finally finished the hardware and maybe they will not look at people as a tester during development phase? They should be very honest like the next: "We do not make 1.5 version upgrade like competition, steam and ally x. We release 2nd generation on the same price to be able to show how good is our hardware+software. Because, if we increase price you will buy cheaper steam deck or a bit higher price gamer laptop or desktop, with much better graphics, and you will never experience how good a MSI CLAW 2 is." It is a question from me to all windows handheld maker: will you lower your prices to be able to make handhelds more attractive? Thye should be lower priced like low end gamer laptops with the same gaming capability.
Even if steam deck had 6 gb ram and lower than gpu amd custom still better than 2025 devices because it's true console pc not any year we see new model
Anything over 1080p is just dumb. We aren't there for the power or efficiency. No one is buying that shit claw they already brought out also. I also don't see it selling being Intel if it's as much as the Ally x AMD z2 is coming next year. Smh msi
Too big, probably too heavy, the black bar with the MSI Logo is totally unnecessary and ruins the whole picture, adding space that will render difficult for most people reaching for the shoulder buttons and holding the device without fatigue.
I'm not saying 8 inches is too big dudes. The DEVICE is too big. 8 inch instead, is widely accepted as the best compromise for Windows handhelds. I was hoping for a sleeker and lighter form factor.
@@crestofhonor2349the Aya Neo air s1 limited edition has an OLED display & only weights 405 grams & has the same power as the ROQ alley & it comes in a 32 gig memory configuration. It fits in your pocket w/o feeling the weight in your pocket. Minus battery life, which doesn’t matter much to me, the Legion Go still tops the Alley X b/c that legion display is crazy. Aya Neo DS has two independent screens & you can run anything the X can run on one screen while streaming live video on the other screen. So you can watch an NFL game at the same time as playing a game of Madden 😂
Good looking handheld, hope this intel processor is a little better then the old msi claw, and it comes in january you say, hope lenovo comes too then with there new upgrade or version 2 of the legion go well see!! 👏🏻 And ofcorse good video again!
@@Cheffy_otto The processor needs to be a LOT better than the one in the original MSI Claw. Power draw is much higher than the Z1 Extreme. I was hoping that MSI made the Claw simply to get their feet wet and get some experience and going the Intel route because they knew something better from Intel was on the way. That now seems to be the case!
Its exciting but given how MSI priced the previous claw its gonna be very expensive. The 16gb one will probably be 800 and 32gb one at whopping USD 900!
I mean at the end of the day as long as they make enough $$$ to be profitable with it, that's all that really matters in their view. The handheld gaming PC market seems to be growing pretty rapidly at this point in time and it is nice for everyone to have more options. My ROG Ally and Steam Deck have both been absolute game changers for me personally. It is of benefit to consumers to have more options to choose from and more competition to breed more innovation + less complacency.
I wonder how the gaming performance is with overclocking the msi claw cpu and gpu to its highest cpu tdp with after burner and using the msi dragon center to adjust the settings. I hope that msi makes a titan version of the msi claw called the msi claw titan edition or titan version or whatever it would be called.
This looks really nicer. If Dave2D’s preview of this chip is accurate, this should be competitive with the z1 Extreme processors. I like the 8” 1200p screen format a lot. As long as Intel’s CPU can deliver as promised on power draw and performance, this could be a great solution and competitive with the AMD Z1 and therefore Ally X. HOWEVER, my big concern would be reliance on Intel graphics drivers vs AMD graphics drivers in Windows. I still don’t trust Intel on that front….
🤣 Sniffing the fan exhaust of PC handhelds. I hope they keep doing these PC handhelds I think of buying one towards the end of this decade when they can handle games a bit better than a PS5 or XBOX Series X can. I heard Nvidia might be making one.
16:10 is actually a pretty nice aspect ratio on these smaller handheld displays imo, though I get that there are quite a few games that don't support it. 16:9 is fine too though so really is a matter of preference. I do agree with all of your points though and would love to see a handheld with all of these features for under $1k.
How’s it being late? They literally take the lead. They are the first main manufacturer to get the second gen out. If intel’s offering is as strong as they claim, and if MSI nails it in the software department they literally have a killer product. The 890m is decent on lower wattage, not so much once you go above 30w, but it isn’t the leap people might have expected. Intel seems to have gotten actually quite a potent offering in terms of raw performance, but it remains to be seen if the efficiency claims are true and if arc graphics still struggle with drivers.
Comparing a chip with an entire device is stupid. Implying that two OBVIOUSLY same-generation processors are somehow different generations is even more stupid.
@@Winnetou17 when did I say that the processors are of different generations? Just said that the consoles are. The Ally X and Steamdeck OLED are revisions, not next generation products as said by their manufacturers. However, the MSI Claw 8 AI + is a next gen product, the same as all handhelds that will come with the Z2 extreme. However, none have been announced so far, therefore MSI has taken the lead so far.
damn looks gorgoues screen and big handheld like the lenovo legion go
putting AI in the name of a gaming handheld is one of the dumbest decisions I've seen lately
well, just to play devils advocate, the NPUs they’re adding are probably going to be used to help with upscaling and frame generation, so putting AI in the name might actually be one of the rare cases these days where it kinda makes sense.
Sony just name their new mini LED tv with AI and i dont considered em as "dumb".
AI is the new buzzword. I have seen food trucks advertise their food is made with AI
What’s next? AI Toothpaste? AI Hair Spray? AI Soap?
@@theonly32- A.I. Toliets? A.I. Toilet Paper? A.I. Pen? A.I. Underwear? A.I. Cardboard? A.I Chocolate? A.I. A.I? 😂
1. If the display is horizontal in BIOS.
2. If Intel Arc is better than 890M.
3. If there is 24-32GB of RAM.
I will immediately buy MSI Claw 8
Number two is most important
The intel core ultra in this is more powerful than a ryzen 9 ai hx 370
FYI AMD releasing Z2 extreme chip in q1 2025.
There is a test video somewhere on youtube it does better than 890m lol its exciting! He tests it on some major triple A games too and lunar lake beats out 890m by a few frames
@@jackykwan2580 it also uses less power
Did you see the Zotac Zone there? If so ask them if it will be released in the USA and not just Asia and Europe
I did not see Zotac here. In fact, most PC manufacturers aren't here as traditionally IFA is more a general consumer trade show.
-Adam
It has that "hot electronics smell" I guess I gotta get one now...
Zotac zone design is nightmare, I found this can be match for deck oled more than the giant plastic toy ally x
80w battery doesn't matter when the APU needs at min 20w, ally X Z1 extreme can go as low a 7w
Im interested but Z2E is going to be awesome in the legion go 2
Might be the sleeper favourite but let’s wait for those tests.
Facts
Still too small screen. 8.8 is the minimum.
This is the most clean designed handheld I've ever seen.😮
It looks good and there is even space for touch pads
Hahahaha... this handheld pc wave is reminding me of the old age of portable videogames, like the game gear, which were gigantic pieces of hardware. As time passed, the devices evolved, reeuced in size, and now they are getting bigger again... The passage of time changes the perception of what is "fashion" back and forth... hahaha...
Why the “hahaha”?
@@Paddyhudson Nothing special, just a fun little curiosity thing.
It’s not fashion, we want a device that’s more portable (smaller) but that directly negatively affects the games we have now compared to sonic and Pokémon back in the day. You can’t play call of duty on no gameboy screen so we are looking for a happy medium now.
It's bigger because of high demand for bigger screen sizes which is more immersive. Also the demographic as adults have larger hands.
@@illogik I said fashion in the sense of a trend that changes with time, based on market preference, kinda on a cycle pattern.
I'm getting one. Can't wait
What people can learn from switch- its CLEAN.. very smooth.. doens’t look gamer cliche.. learn from that..
Or Legion go, even all legion gaming devices
True. The only thing I hate about the Switch is the ergonomics, but I like that it has the ability to have attachable third party controllers that improve this.
I would love to have this I’ve only played fallout Las Vegas and 3 and 3 was my favorite.
Not very impressed as an Ally X owner. Only the bigger screen is a win
Hoping for updating ram like ROG Ally X, and eventually like Ayaneo, GPD Win, and OnexPlayer
Wish they used the same design as their core ultra.
TMR or Hall effect sticks?
more competition is better for us
can we get oled FHD+ for a change
1 only one set of back buttons
2 no touch pad, windows hello camera
3 I prefer symmetrical layout
4 steamOS support?
5 fingerprint reader?
6 screen with BFI while VRR?
7 maybe SD express
It would have been better if it had detachable controls, and a bit smaller bezels. Using it as a tablet and in tabletop mode would be nice, it also makes it easier to replace the controllers if they stop working. The legion go has smaller bezels then this and the steam deck.
Detachable controls for what? It makes the whole unit more flimsy and it adds a tremendous amount of weight like in the legion Go. Smaller bezels are not really possible as of yet as said by Asus.
I'm considering getting a handheld and I think the legion go detachable controller sorry huge benefit. Mostly because gives it value as a standalone Windows tablet. But it also has a huge screen,. The utility of a standalone tablet with a smaller screen that's probably not as good.
@@alexbraundelacruz9690makes it more modular
@@alexbraundelacruz9690you can use it in tabletop mode and as a tablet.
@@oo--7714 it also makes more moving parts causing more points of failures
I love my steam deck, but I would buy something stronger tomorrow, I dont mind windows.
What I do mind is only two back buttons, and no trackpads.
Screen looks nice
Maybe it's an oleEd
The back ridges look uncomfortable to hold.
Yes
Why not just stream to your handheld instead of putting a shit ton of hand melting power into it?
Love the ally x but this msi love the 8 screen👍👍
wait & see this new intel igpu vs AMD 890M, whos the winner? coming soon their final product will be on market
why u no have active subtitule all world
Screen looks delicioso
Great job on reviewing until 😮 the awkward sniffles test.
Really? Mr Sniffles????
Lol, I wouldn't say my pc is for AI even it has Ryzen 9+4090+192Gb DDR5 installed.
Super excited to see an Intel powered gaming handheld, especially one with great performance and low power consumption. Finally!
This should've had amd. Intel driver support is garbage
Would have considered it with an amd apu...Intel isnt going to prioritize drivers with the mess they are in.
I hope i have 32gb ram
Intel should have integrated Thunderbolt 5 with this.
From what I'm told the cost is just too high for a TB5 addition as it's still only an add in board.
-Adam
@@pcworld obviously the cost is high for OEMs to purchase the additional Barlow Ridge Thunderbolt 5 discrete controller. This has always been the case with every generation of Thunderbolt Controllers. Discrete solutions are more expensive for the OEMs but an integrated solution is more affordable. Intel have always known this which is why Thunderbolt only gained traction when it was integrated into Tiger Lake.
When it comes to mass adoption, very many OEMs always opt out of discrete solutions. Intel is just being greedy as they could still make money if they integrate it natively on Meteor Lake or Lunar Lake. It is such poor strategy that has plagued Intel.
Obviously a Discrete Barlow Ridge Thunderbolt 5 Controller is more expensive to implement than an integrated solution. Intel know this since Thunderbolt 3 was integrated on Tiger Lake. They have failed to integrate Thunderbolt 5 on Meteor Lake or Lunar Lake and there isc no excuse for it except greed. Not only is an integrated solution more cost effective to the OEMs but it also drives mass adoption.
@@EnochGitongaKimathi no excuse except greed? Really? Explain how it’s greed. And how there can’t be any other reasons.
@@docbrody When Intel integrates Thunderbolt into the SOC they don't make as much money as when they sell a discrete controller as well. So they want us to buy from them twice (the SOC and the Discrete Controller) inorder to get Thunderbolt 5.
Make portable exclusives
De todos los productos en este segmento este Msi Claw 8 AI+ y el Rog Ally X son los que posiblemente se le acerquen mas al futuro concepto del portatil de Microsoft, lo cual me parese fantastico!!
Never buy a product with ai named on it.
why
Why it has to has a higher price? Because they finally finished the hardware and maybe they will not look at people as a tester during development phase? They should be very honest like the next: "We do not make 1.5 version upgrade like competition, steam and ally x. We release 2nd generation on the same price to be able to show how good is our hardware+software. Because, if we increase price you will buy cheaper steam deck or a bit higher price gamer laptop or desktop, with much better graphics, and you will never experience how good a MSI CLAW 2 is." It is a question from me to all windows handheld maker: will you lower your prices to be able to make handhelds more attractive? Thye should be lower priced like low end gamer laptops with the same gaming capability.
Even if steam deck had 6 gb ram and lower than gpu amd custom still better than 2025 devices because it's true console pc not any year we see new model
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Looks ugly like the aokzoe A1/A1 pro
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Why Intel Why Intel MSI!!! Don't do this!! 😭
what about intel. do they make your computer explode?
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Only reason to buy this is because lunar lake 8inch and trustworthy brand
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Don’t give a shit give me switch 2
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If it could play mobile games, im good!
intel pffft
Anything over 1080p is just dumb. We aren't there for the power or efficiency. No one is buying that shit claw they already brought out also. I also don't see it selling being Intel if it's as much as the Ally x AMD z2 is coming next year. Smh msi
Advice- don’t lean into the gaming look.. and the KSI on the bottom is really ugly
Look sucks
This is so stupid
Because of AI I won’t get it
I've decided to dedicate my life to putting AI in the name of everything so you can't eat
Why
You do realize that it's AI that allows for things like DLSS and FSR? The better AI chips get, the better these features for gaming get.
don't mind me I'm here for the hilarious AMD shills comments 😂
Too big, probably too heavy, the black bar with the MSI Logo is totally unnecessary and ruins the whole picture, adding space that will render difficult for most people reaching for the shoulder buttons and holding the device without fatigue.
It’s not too big. 7 inch screens is too small for these handhelds.
Legion Go is great, not too big, I hate spending 1k on a cell phone sized screen
It is just 8 inch lol.
I'm not saying 8 inches is too big dudes. The DEVICE is too big. 8 inch instead, is widely accepted as the best compromise for Windows handhelds. I was hoping for a sleeker and lighter form factor.
@@168original7 7in is perfect. These devices don't need to get any bigger
The bottom bezel with the obnoxious MSI branding is so ugly! Eeugh! 🤢
garbage
There are only two. Steam Deck and Switch.
yes very under power
Emulating all of Switch/Nintendo on the Steam Deck > Switch
Ally X is a better handheld than both of them
@@crestofhonor2349the Aya Neo air s1 limited edition has an OLED display & only weights 405 grams & has the same power as the ROQ alley & it comes in a 32 gig memory configuration. It fits in your pocket w/o feeling the weight in your pocket. Minus battery life, which doesn’t matter much to me, the Legion Go still tops the Alley X b/c that legion display is crazy. Aya Neo DS has two independent screens & you can run anything the X can run on one screen while streaming live video on the other screen. So you can watch an NFL game at the same time as playing a game of Madden 😂
they are for kids specially switch 😂
No OLED or QD-OLED screen = NO BUY
FINALLY a decent looking ergonomic handheld!
Cant wait to see testing results. I have high hopes for this one
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Good looking handheld, hope this intel processor is a little better then the old msi claw, and it comes in january you say, hope lenovo comes too then with there new upgrade or version 2 of the legion go well see!! 👏🏻
And ofcorse good video again!
@@Cheffy_otto The processor needs to be a LOT better than the one in the original MSI Claw. Power draw is much higher than the Z1 Extreme.
I was hoping that MSI made the Claw simply to get their feet wet and get some experience and going the Intel route because they knew something better from Intel was on the way. That now seems to be the case!
Why did everyone blame Intel in handheld?!
@@evilcrashbandicootthetouho2753 Because their apu sucks.
Its exciting but given how MSI priced the previous claw its gonna be very expensive. The 16gb one will probably be 800 and 32gb one at whopping USD 900!
So crowded PC handhelds but no one releasing official sold number. How many millions all PC handhelds sold as per today ???
I mean at the end of the day as long as they make enough $$$ to be profitable with it, that's all that really matters in their view. The handheld gaming PC market seems to be growing pretty rapidly at this point in time and it is nice for everyone to have more options. My ROG Ally and Steam Deck have both been absolute game changers for me personally. It is of benefit to consumers to have more options to choose from and more competition to breed more innovation + less complacency.
VRR and 8 inch display is a win
I wonder how the gaming performance is with overclocking the msi claw cpu and gpu to its highest cpu tdp with after burner and using the msi dragon center to adjust the settings. I hope that msi makes a titan version of the msi claw called the msi claw titan edition or titan version or whatever it would be called.
Did they make that chin bezel huge so they could put their branding there? MSI aesthetics are terrible.
But still less bezel than allyx and zotac as you see but deck oled better
This looks really nicer. If Dave2D’s preview of this chip is accurate, this should be competitive with the z1 Extreme processors. I like the 8” 1200p screen format a lot. As long as Intel’s CPU can deliver as promised on power draw and performance, this could be a great solution and competitive with the AMD Z1 and therefore Ally X. HOWEVER, my big concern would be reliance on Intel graphics drivers vs AMD graphics drivers in Windows. I still don’t trust Intel on that front….
Intel drivers suck
2port for premium
Legion go : oh thats true , got 2 usb4 port there
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The UI looks like an Xbox dashboard. If this is Intel though, ooof.
Little sausage fingers haha stick to the Switch Lite :D
🤣 Sniffing the fan exhaust of PC handhelds. I hope they keep doing these PC handhelds I think of buying one towards the end of this decade when they can handle games a bit better than a PS5 or XBOX Series X can. I heard Nvidia might be making one.
your gonna wait another 6 years? damn😂
man msi didnt learn anything from intel lol
Plot twist, this is 100% how it will look and perform
😂😂😂😂
yah these companies are lying
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MSI AI ERA 💀
Seriously those marketing guys are going too far now...
Looks so clean! Please keep this design MSI!
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Do it fix about overheat yet? Msi claw can hot 100+ when charge and play.
it looks sleek ❤❤❤
The ABXY is RGB?
is that OLED?
Nice ❤❤❤❤❤
A NATIVE landscape 1080p (not 1200p) OLED VRR panel, 32GB of RAM, add a USB A port and 10 mo Watt hours to that battery and we might have a WINNER!!!
16:10 is actually a pretty nice aspect ratio on these smaller handheld displays imo, though I get that there are quite a few games that don't support it. 16:9 is fine too though so really is a matter of preference. I do agree with all of your points though and would love to see a handheld with all of these features for under $1k.
@@GreenLeefMusic indeed bruh. Hopefully we will get it for a reasonable price
@@GreenLeefMusic I love 16:10 on a handheld. Been using it on the A1Pro before it died on me. Lol.
Next years z2 extreme launch, msi always late for launching their device.
How’s it being late? They literally take the lead. They are the first main manufacturer to get the second gen out. If intel’s offering is as strong as they claim, and if MSI nails it in the software department they literally have a killer product. The 890m is decent on lower wattage, not so much once you go above 30w, but it isn’t the leap people might have expected. Intel seems to have gotten actually quite a potent offering in terms of raw performance, but it remains to be seen if the efficiency claims are true and if arc graphics still struggle with drivers.
The casuals won’t know about it. Plus they can always upgrade it like Ally to Ally X
Tech is always upgrading, especially with PC chips. You'll never release anything if you're constantly waiting for the latest components to implement.
Comparing a chip with an entire device is stupid.
Implying that two OBVIOUSLY same-generation processors are somehow different generations is even more stupid.
@@Winnetou17 when did I say that the processors are of different generations? Just said that the consoles are. The Ally X and Steamdeck OLED are revisions, not next generation products as said by their manufacturers. However, the MSI Claw 8 AI + is a next gen product, the same as all handhelds that will come with the Z2 extreme. However, none have been announced so far, therefore MSI has taken the lead so far.
These all look cool and cute but the x has already set the bar..
what bar
The x?
@@michaelcorcoran8768 Ally X
We will see once it releases
@@joshimahan7497Ally x is the best handheld ever made so far .