Getting into "The Position" in your Golf Swing. Can you do it?
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
- This video will show you how to get into the "The Position" and whether you should even try.
Hello everyone, I hope you are all keeping safe and well! Please follow the advice of the medical Professionals and practice social distancing. Here in southern Germany we are in almost total lockdown, all none essential businesses and gathering points have been closed, including bars, restaurants and sport facilities. For those of you in countries that have not yet been so badly affected, you might be able to avoid this by acting now.
I will be posting more often during the lockdown to help you fight the boredom and maybe give you one or two new ideas for your swing. If you have any questions, now is the time to ask and if you would like to send me your swing videos(down the line and face on please) I will be producing a swing analysis video very soon. Please send them to my email address at jtgolfing63@gmail.com or use transfernow www.transfernow.net/en/ if the files are too large.
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Fantastic -- this "position" and its concomitant movements immediately before and after, including that all-important "position" which one moves through just after the strike, are so essential. Not easy! We can tell it's not easy because Jonathan broke into a chuckle. That's a clue that we have much work ahead. But it is worth it. It is nice to see Jonathan showing his warmth and humor. Another fantastic video!!!
One lightbulp-moment After another. The most important golf video on the internet. Thanks for sharing your hard earned knowledge and secrets. The two camera angles are important and make everything much clearer.
I think your calmness and realistic approach really work well together. It’s like there’s no pressure to become perfect at it.
Yes, " This sitting in the downswing only lasts for a fraction of a second". How true! As a long time golfer constantly working on improvement I find these moves to be so brief at full speed. That is why taking time to rehearse, in deliberate slow motion is possibly the most important teaching tool there is. Trying to change your swing at full speed is fruitless.
To get "in the position" you just need start your downswing by tilting your right ear until it is parallel to the ground. Your body will follow and you will hit the ball more from the inside. Yes, you will be very sore for days until your body gets used to it. I'm almost 60 and it too me just a few weeks and I am now in the position at impact with my head tilted to the right at impact.
I am 73 and do have some hip/lower back issues. Had laminotomy 2 weeks ago that fixed sciatica but not the arthritis. Anyway, whenever I try to achieve the "position" I get a sharp pain reminder that compressing the lower spine in that fashion is something my body cannot do. Jonathan is frank to remind us that there is the possibility of that happening and to consult a doctor if problems arise. I've done just that, and 20-30 injections (etc.) later - no help at all. Golf for seniors can be really tough.
Mr. Taylor is absolutely right about the physical ability to master these body movements. I watch a lot of golf instruction on RUclips and this instruction method is very popular. For older and non athletic type individuals this swing method is very difficult and can cause an injury if your not careful. The full hip rotation and body positions are incredibly difficult to master. It will take, as mentioned, many hours of repetition to get anywhere near getting it right. You must make a solid commitment and be patient if you are to pursue this swing dynamic. Even with some success in practice, taking it to the course and implementing into your regular golf game will be an even a bigger challenge. Good luck!
"Every once in a while it's fun to kid ourselves so let's carry on"🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The first 15 seconds of this video have summed up the last 4 years of my life.
Thanks for this. I definitely saw this position and was chasing it but your video was the first ever to teach me HOW to do this. It has taken some power off but I can see how it functions and now I just need to hit 10,000 balls.
This is absolutely amazing Jonathon. I watched a video several weeks ago that I discarded primarily because I thought that person claiming to show an "alternative" to get into right side bend was a blooming idiot. He prescribed a swing thought, "at the top of the backswing, the transition should begin with 2 things; opening the hips (agreed) and initiating a "side crunch". After watching your previous video about this position I decided to try it. Since I have a limited range of motion anyway due to a back injury years ago I found it very challenging to get into this position. I found it even more difficult to stay there for an extended period of time during the swing without having to catch myself from falling forward. It is very difficult for me to maintain any sense of balance when practicing this move. That said, after I was able to accomplish it (no more than 20% of the time) I was able to hit my 9-iron 137 yards. Previously my 9-iron consistently flew 105-110 yards. At 60 years old to hit a 9-iron that far was awe inspiring. I was consistent in distance at 135-140 yards WHEN I could make this move consistently however I was only able to make this move properly about 2 out of 10 shots. It feels as though my wrist lag is maintained until the last possible moment that I release the club. Moreover, when I was able to perform this move I nearly always had center of face contact, no toe or heel contact and I was able to draw the ball like a professional by rolling my top hand over the bottom hand! It feels as if my top hand becomes dominant at impact and I am pushing the club rather than pulling it into impact. Since I've been sequestered in Wisconsin, USA for about 3 weeks I have time on my hands to attempt this however I must wear a Copper fit back brace when doing my practice sessions or I feel I would be unable to walk the next day. Thank you so much for this "discovery". I'll continue to try this until I am unable because my strikes are that remarkable when I am able to pull it off. Please stay safe and healthy my friend and continue to bring us all the great content you provide! All the best!
Rick, glade and envying you have that i9 distance.
I just dig out mine i9 from 100 to 120 recently from very poor swing to suitable swing.
Point is stay walking afterward. 63 years old trying some old blade iron is very very hard but not yet giving up.
Good luck.
Hello everyone, I hope you are all keeping safe and well! Please follow the advice of the medical Professionals and practice social distancing. Here in southern Germany we are in almost total lockdown, all none essential businesses and gathering points have been closed, including bars, restaurants and sport facilities. For those of you in countries that have not yet been so badly affected, you might be able to avoid this by acting now.
I will be posting more often during the lockdown to help you fight the boredom and maybe give you one or two new ideas for your swing. If you have any questions, now is the time to ask and if you would like to send me your swing videos(down the line and face on please) I will be producing a swing analysis video very soon. Please send them to my email address at jtgolfing63@gmail.com or use transfernow www.transfernow.net/en/ if the files are too large.
Thanks for supporting my channel!!! I am posting the follow up video to "The Position" early, to start the ball rolling.
Jonathan
Thanks Jonathan for your advice and great explanation, from Dominican republic,,👍🙏🏌️♂️
Great video Jonathan and more importantly thank you for sending out content whilst the world locks down. Hope you stay safe and well.
Hi Jonathan, Thank you for your incredible videos. I have watched thousands of hours of RUclips video's and practiced for 3 years to try and learn what you have explained succinctly and effectively in 16 minutes. After a short practice session I was easily able to apply your advice to a round on the course and have now been experiencing significantly better results. I really think I have turned a corner. Thanks for your excellent videos!!
Thanks Jonathan.
Best tutorials ever.
I dont care about my back since this tips makes me hit the ball as never before🙂
Can't wait for the next.
Take care. Regards from Norway.🙂
Excellent explanation of how to add power to the golf swing. I've began working on this technique after seeing a lot of young players at the 2018 US Amateur hitting accurate shots in this manner. It was impressive to see Alex Fitzpatrick accentuate this swing when hitting low checking sand wedges to tight pins and Viktor Hovland's straight on target drives. I like using the orange whip training club when I can't practice at the golf course. It helps myelinate the swing into muscle memory.
That train.... hah so cool.
With all the free "Covid" time and no access to the range, I decided to work on the "position" without a ball. Video showed that no matter what I did I couldn't stop from straightening up. I found it impossible to get my left hip to rotate back - my right hip wanted to come forward. Then I discovered that my club was steeper at impact than address effectively making the club longer, ie: I had to straighten up or hit the ground. I fixed the impact angle by making sure my hands returned to the same spot (I made a jig with a rubber hose so I couldn't push them away). Then the motion became apparent. Good luck everybody.
I’m coming back to the game after heart surgery last summer and these videos are outstanding. Since my body took a beating on the operating table it’s been a slow recovery but I’m trying to rebuild my golf swing in the back yard with chip shots. Getting into “the position” post-impact wasn’t something in my game before but now that I can successfully hit short pitch shots while achieving “the position” my muscle memory is starting to internalize the proper feel. It’s still completely alien to me at this point but I’m encouraged. I’ve never pitched the ball so solidly before! Hopefully the courses will open soon and I can use this method to hit longer shots. Thank you for being such a great communicator.
Great video as always - the body turning hips & legs has been a huge problem for me. I was all arms and shoulders. Your videos really help me, managed a poor rotation swing down to 11hcp and now looking to get the body moving into single figures. One thing I’ve found is I have much more energy at the end of the round, last 4-5 holes by moving my body properly - becomes effortless and much less stressful than the old arms swing, which left me tired , swinging too fast and making mistakes. I’m a 5’9 , 41 yr old chunky fella - and if I can do it anyone can! Love how you explain the technique simply and clearly, more more please!!!
JT ..great tip...great video.. even greater advise about one's mobility limits. As a 63 yo , these motions are harder to achieve than 20 yrs ago........
Jonathan, well you really have put out 2 excellent videos on this aspect of the swing. This has to be the easiest to understand, most concise and constructive instruction on this important aspect of the swing I have seen. How many lessons have I had over the years, where I have been told my feet should be this way or that way, or my grip is to strong or too weak, or the ball is too far back or too far forward - well, you know what I mean!
If people can practice, and try and perfect what you have demonstrated here, then perhaps we will all become better golfers. If I had seen a video like this many, many years ago then I am sure I would been far better than I am now. Perhaps others have tried to teach me this positioning, but none have explained it better than you have. Cant wait to get out in the garden with the camera.
Thank you.
“We’re all basically kidding ourselves”. Haha I love the honesty
Very good video, many thanks.
My coach has been teaching me this impact position , it does work provided you are setup correctly!
super Video !!! gute Erklärung ich denke das ich mir "The Position" zur Aufgabe machen werde, während der Corona Pause. Ich freue mich schon aufs nächste Video :D
Thanks for ur lesson sir,..
I,kl keep ur video and get a practise drill by video..have a nice day keeping our self during a social distancing Will get better..
great stuff, stay safe and hope the range opens again soon :-)
4-8 weeks, because of the Corona crises I now have the time to practice this move and these positions. Thanks.
Very impressed. Y your teaching
First of all, very clear and good presentation.. very professional and profound...
As you show on 07:50... this is one way which imo causes a lot of stress in the lower back because you have tone of side later bend... do it like a tennis player or baseball or like throwing a frisbee or from my background an icehockey slapshot... let you right hip drop, hence flex the right knee... don't straight the right knee... You will have less right lateral bend, hence reducing stress on your lower spine.. just take a look eg at Mike Dunaway... It is important to get lag tension how you do it is up to you... i would recommend not to straighten the right leg... cameron champ already has back pain and many others...
We in the Southwest US can still play golf (no driving range, clubhouse). Being able to play in this environment helps keep scoring well, in perspective.
I saw a guy, likely in his 80's with kyphosis still playing. Maybe golf is keeping him alive. Though he could not do these spinal contortions, he has something to look forward upon waking up. If it causes pain, then don't do it. As Jonathan said, know your limitations. Have fun. Play safe. Very sound advice, Jonathan. Thanks.
Great for chipping but nothing else. If you have spent months attempting this how on earth do you expect amateurs to achieve this for anything else. Appreciate your honesty Jonathan.
Many golfers do not differentiate between shoulders and chest. As you know the chest can be open while the shoulders are square. Through impact I try to retract my left shoulder blade (scapula)and it puts me in the position you demonstrate. In the past in order to prevent spinning out I attempted to keep my shoulders square and resulted in not rotating my chest open.
The trick is to reveal where these forces come from; the body parts applying these forces and precisely when to apply them. Not easy for sure.
Nice train passing by =)
thx a lot 😊
The Germans do love their bar stools, blessem.
That’s me in the garden then for the 3 weeks then. Lock down lock it in!!
Just a few thoughts. On trick to fake your way into 'The Position' if you are a normal human instead of a top athlete is to borrow Gary Player's walk through trick. Look it up. It helps create more fluent rotation without all the twisting because of that right leg.
Sorry, Jonathan, this modern method is similar to the position I used to get into 40 years ago and I still have the x-rays to prove the damage it did. Time we went back to a golf swing, swing being the operative word. Sam Snead would be my models for most amateurs, with the backswing shortened to suit.
Amen old pro, people need to work on tempo, ball striking and ball flight shaping more than trying to kill it every time. Hip rotation, knee snapping and quick violent moves will take their toll and you will wear out joints and even tear things. If you want to enjoy golf till you are old, model your swing after a sneed or a hogan. Swing at no more than 80 % of your max swing.
@@TheCagedLion Exactly, Snead and Hogan never appeared to be powering the ball though they did produce great club head speed. Tiger has paid a fortune for multiple surgeries, Joaquin Niemann will need to win a lot more to pay for his. We should not be encouraging young players and club golfers to copy them.
Thank you for the lesson. Consider me a new subscriber. This has helped tremendously and I will encourage my golf friends to tune in as well. Oh, and I do appreciate your wry English humor! Were you poking a little fun at your German students? Not able to get them off the bar stool? I laughed out loud. Thanks again from Bethlehem, PA in the U.S.
I tried this out with some 3/4 iron swings and had immediate success. I tend to close the clubface face too much, rolling my arms and hitting a pull. It felt effortless to keep it straight, and kept the flight to a medium height, penetrating trajectory. Watching myself on video the club face looks square to the target a solid foot before and 2 feet after impact! My swing did look a bit steeper though. Great stuff, thanks for sharing!
Jonathan, I am finding this really useful coaching. While many (excellent) RUclips videos allow us to analyze technically what a great long iron/driver swing looks like you are providing advice on how to be able to work achieve at least something that might approximate to the ideal. This is perhaps the best video in this regard that I have seen. Thanks and more please!!
I need to get started with my reps. Great lesson, Jonathan. Your tone and explanation are so helpful. I will kid myself for a bit.
Good lesson 👍 Could u do one for us old men? Thanks
I’ve been working on this after seeing your other video on it. I’m finding I have to take a stronger grip. Is that right? Can you discuss that in a video? Thanks.
I think it's vital to stretch with club in the hands because even my arms and hands need stretching as well while maintaining the grip.
You also need to stretch just past where you'd like to be so you'll have a relaxed range of motion.
Love the stretch at 8:00. All of this instruction is logical, easy to follow, and makes a ton of sense! Can’t wait to get out there to try to implement it. By any chance are you available for virtual lessons/video reviews from afar?
Maybe, I will have to look into it.
Jonathan Taylor emailed you the info with a few video clips for review. Thanks for your time. Stay safe in Germany.
Too technical for me, but thanks for the explanation.
Amazingly tho im 60yo and have RA (tho im on the same drugs as Miclkeson) I seem to be able to do this move without injury. I can only come up with the following reasons 1 Bad, in my youth I spent hours practicing with stuff under my armpits! consequently (without realising)I took the shoulders and arms out of the swing so had to use ground forces and body action to hit the ball! I got down to 9 but was short n straight
2 good , I imagine that i start the swing from my release point which is in front of the ball which activates my muscles early(All good golfers demonstrating a swing without a ball swing the club a foot or so forward before taking it back)
3 Good I focus on returning the front middle of the shaft to/through impact not the clubhead
Im now down to 5hcp and expect to go much lower if we get to play this year, my last few rounds Ive been hitting a lot of worldies and even great compressed iron shots!
i have done a lot of strength training in the last year and would highly recommend kettle bells and face pulls! this has probably also helped with the "position" at my age as well as Jonathans great videos!
ahh, those Germans not getting off the bar stool. too good :)
Try putting one of those weight rings on the end of a club and then try the dipping transition move, makes it much easier to feel what you are trying to do
Great idea!
Jonathan Taylor I’m returning to the game to try and get rid of a swing error that I had 20 years ago. Back then I had noted the same position you have noticed from hours of studying recordings using the slow-mo on my VHS player.
Now that there is RUclips and loads of video to watch in slow-motion I have noticed the move that you are also noticing. But there are many coaches that seem to not have noticed it and keep teaching too much hand/arm movement to start the swing. Others mention getting into a squat position but keeping the right leg/knee back, which is the Sam Snead Squat. However the coaches themselves do not do what they prescribe, or if they do then their arms take over and the swing ends up as much more handsy, like Sam Snead. Not many show both knees moving forward as you are doing, like.a falling towards the target from the backswing position, but if you watch Woods, Hogan, McIlroy etc it is obvious that it happens, both legs/knees dip forward and the right knee almost chases towards the back of the ball and then to the target. Watch Trevino for the ultimate example, tinged with compensation for his lack of flexibility.
I think you have nearly got it right but maybe the follow through isn’t quite right. Watch Dan Whittaker “Swing Left like Hogan” (link follows), and also some of the videos from My Swing Evolution, a guy whose been trying to make his swing look like Hogan.
ruclips.net/video/VOwtN1-kIHw/видео.html
A way to make this happen is to let your momentum go upwards in the backswing . Before transition the momentum that has gone up must come down which plants the feet ,bends the knees and allows your legs to force through . The clubhead will follow this move .
Great video and advice… but can it still be used to hit a fade? This seems to promote an inside to out path thanks
You nailed my swing problem, on the days that I'm NOT hitting it well. I squat in transition really good. The problem is... I stay there throughout the swing. I have trouble posting up on my left leg, and it causes my to get "spinny". I play at a 5 HC, but I struggle some days with consistent strike.
Understanding the problem means you can chalk it up as a shot or a bad day and you are not encouraged to make unnecessary swing changes.
So, I tried this move from your previous video today on the golf course. No warm up ...slightly late to my Tee time. By hole three I was smashing it father and straighter than I have ever hit it in my life! 45 years old. Athletic but slowing down a bit. Normal drive is 265 to 285 on a bomb. ....now 20 to 30 yards farther...immediately. My drives were crazy long and straight and my irons picked up close to 2 club lengths. By the end of the round I was looking at par 3 I normally hit a 6 iron but was thinking that I needed an 8. I nuked it over a few greens in the round. Need to adjust. While I’m not crazy flexible...just laying my head over and trying to get into that position seemed to allow me to clear and snap my hips much more. Unreal! Thank you! Do you have a donation page??
Not yet, but I didn’t think anyone would donate😂
Jonathan Taylor I don’t know if they will. I have watched a ton of RUclips golf vids. They have helped my game. I sit at about a 10 handicap. But after yesterday’s round...because of the video with the alignment stick that you were torking over and the pics from behind. I was able to use my fairly good swing and turn into a beast. It’s amazing how many more pars and birds I made. So much closer after the drive. And straighter! That was the real surprise. Control was actually better. Towards the end of the round I was getting tired though. New muscles being used and slamming my head down and sideways was a bit violent. But so worth it. I’ll get used to the move. The power was just there on tap. Waiting for me. I would definitely donate a bit.
I’m not sure that you should be straightening the right leg but you should be rotating into it, watch old Hogan or Trevino videos
Hello Jonathan. Great instruction. What golf course are you working at or near? I am in Landstuhl and practice at Ramstein AFB.
Hi David, I am down in Munich. The course is called Golfanlage Harthausen
interesting, but only for the young and fit. nicely explained.....
Stop setting limits on yourself. I'm 65 and I can do this.
@@golfrep2584 you hit off the back foot..
@@jullianmark2577 no clue what your remark means
I've seen a few, though not really many, 'tips' on YT that seemed like, initially, eureka moments. All eventually failing. This "Position" concept - the failure to actually, really, get there, is probably why. You'll have to trust me here - I'm a couple of years into this whole building a "real" swing thing. I'm either committed, or should be :)
But this is really making me think; you've highlighted things I too have observed in the best ball-strikers. I've come to the conclusion it's related to anxiety. Swing Anxiety, if you will.
Anxiety? Yeah, cuzz this is a scary, extreme - even exotic - move. I submit as evidence: Joaquín Niemann. Goodness! His head drops like 2 feet coming through. Now way I'll ever get there (at my age); there's no ROOM for the arms and club, right!?
In my mind, if I _could_ even try that, I can't believe that I won't bury the club head a foot into the turf, 3 feet behind the ball. So I swing "safely", but with a lot of effort. Until I came across this concept, with affirmation like this video, I would've bet a dollar I was NOT swinging from the top. At least on my good shots. Pretty sure I would have lost that dollar if those good swings were videoed.
I can demo this "Position" in front of a camera - without a ball - perfectly. Put that over-engineered hunk of plastic down and the "hit monster" goes to work. It HAS TO! That's the rub...if you don't get, essentially, that trail shoulder down enough (enough shoulder angle, to over-simplify things - because it's all set up way before that), that swing demon WILL get to the ball, and lickity-split, to make contact. Anyway...
Essentially, there's a fear here (in a golf sense) to 'go deep' [with the movement required for all this]
I've hit some shots lately that are so beyond (literally) what I've been able to do, ever, that I believe there is something here. My normal 'good' drive for instance is about 220-230 carry, 230-240 total. The, "unsatisfying", drives about 215. And as mentioned, there's a lot of 'grunt' in those. However, lately, from the work I've done along these lines, I've been hitting 1 to 2 drives a round that just go pow! I'll laser [range] them at 265-270. At my age and ability that's a big difference. It's like someone else made that swing. Same with some long irons (I'm a pretty good short/middle-iron player)
To end this short story: it's a mental thing to me now. Not physical. I'm over 60 and _thought_ I wasn't flexible enough. Seems it's not true, if you approach it right. I think it's more about attitude. I'm getting there, and I think everyone needs just "go deep", if you will, and find out what that feels like on their own.
The tuff thing to get over is: it takes about 10% of the effort! Crazy game.
Good work here Mr. Taylor.
Chiropractor’s best friend 😜😜
Key to doing the drills for me is not to break the wrists otherwise I can not keep both arms straight
Good video but if you are able to improve in this manner how do you adjust your right arm position to avoid hitting the ground?
If you get your trail shoulder deeper your trail arm will automatically stay bent longer.
@@JonathanTaylor63 Jonathon, very good information, thanks! What do you mean by getting the trail shoulder deeper? Lowering?
Hi Jim, I mean lower or getting your shoulder plane steeper.
Good stuff, but what exactly is THE POSITION?
Saw some stuff around hip movement, then upper body mobility, some flexibility and stretching exercises, shoulder position at impact, keeping arms straight exercise, open shoulders, freeing the body, work with the alignment stick which was again an exercise to perhaps get into certain positions, and on and on but not much around the actual position.
Seems to have been more of a flexility and mobility vid vs discussion of THE POSITION.
Hi Jonathan, hope to know where to buy the training kit (TRX?TRS?) that you put over the butt of the grip?
TRSgolf.com
Jonathan Taylor Thanks, big help
Pushing off from the right foot maybe why Mr. Hogan had an extra spike on his right shoe just below the big toe near the ball of the foot.
Maybe? Only the great man would know.
What should the one key downswing thought be in order to get to this position ? Low right shoulder or pulling left arm around the body ? Or something else ?
Right arm only swings hitting the rubber teepeg then sponge balls helped me as jonathan demonstrates at around 6 min
The best swing thought is no swing thought! 😂
@@JonathanTaylor63 Yes i knew when I started taking golf seriously 6 years ago that when I could do good right hand only swings/strikes I would "there"
.At the time I could do reasonable left arm only swings/strikes and rubbish right arm which was crazy as Im right handed!
Thanks partly to your great videos Im now hitting stunning shots at 60yo which is as frustrating as it is enjoyable!
Be "there"
WRT your health warning, watch the Hogan home video where he is hitting balls into the sea. He is getting on in years here but is doing this move and he is incredibly fluid, like it is no effort, but you can hear from the strike that he is beating the heck out of the ball. He isn’t straightening his right leg but rotating into it with it finally straightening. I have seem comment from Jim McClean pointing out that he has seen injuries occurring in people that straighten that right leg. This is the home video of Hogan : ruclips.net/video/u8DUJqgopOU/видео.html
Awesome! thank you.
how can I get a TRS?
Either at their website.trsgolf.com or I can send you one.
I'm not taking golf advice from John Malkovich.
Holy snooze fest!