Modular Multitools are Coming (Should Victorinox be scared?)
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- Опубликовано: 21 май 2024
- This is what everyone has been asking Victorinox to do for literally decades!
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That was a big brain move of taking the one apart, making the cut-out, and having the ability for all those long tools! I hope Roxon listens and provide a 1/4" bit driver.
I would be super happy with a built in bit driver. But if it was at the expense of multiple long implements, not so much. Multiple models would be a godsend though. Then we can truly have whatever we want.
@@Rxn2016 it will probably happen soon if enough people buys the roxon flex
@@williamli8708 One can hope!
There's a quarter inch driver available on the Roxon Flex preorder. It's all the way on the bottom of the list of available tools👍
@@chupsforchups9894 yes but not what we are talking about.
About your idea for half of the plier handle for a pocket tool.
Instead of a fold out bit driver, you could just have an inline hex slot to fit a bit/extender straight into the end, which will mean you will still have the room for the five long implements.
Agreed!
Perfect!!! Your soo right
Yes. That’s exactly what came to mind as Dom mentioned the bit driver.
@@maxlvledc You NEED to send this video to roxon while they're still in prototype and mold this into an amazing tool!
Great idea. Might it be possible to fit both an inline and 90 degree option into the same piece?
Damn Roxon is well on its way to become my favorite maker of multitools.
Man, one of these multi-tool companies should just hire you as a product development engineer.
I'd rather be the voice of the people than the voice of a company. This way I can say exactly how I feel rather than kissing ass
Respect
@@maxlvledc Definitely respect that as sooner or later these companies would demand you to play along to get along. I've seen it countless instances and you lose the balanced mindset.
I really hope roxon makes a flex but small like the powerpint. I would buy that in a heartbeat. Thanks for the updates and reviews 👌🏻
Probably not...it would require a whole different insert line
@@maxlvledc maybe not quite as small, but since they have shorter knives, they could potentially make a small implements only tool that would be semi keychain-able
@@Rxn2016 I think this is what he meant. A mini plier with short implements only. Powerpint has shorter tools
@@blade9292 Right. I was replying to maxlvledc just saying it might not require a new insert line and could be possible.
I’m sure I’ve seen something from Roxon saying that they are looking into making a mini modular multi-tool. I thought it was in response to Maxlvledc too.
What I want from a folding multitool:
- Under 3oz (90g).
- 1/4" bit driver.
- Scissors (in D2 steel or better, please).
- Bottle cap remover.
- Scalpel blade holder OR utility blade holder, with thumb stud for easy one-handed opening for tight-handed people, on outermost layer. Locking.
- TSA friendly without any blades in the blade holder.
- Deep carry pocket clip.
- SIM card removal tool.
Edit: - Parcel/package opener.
If it has an (empty) blade holder TSA is likely still going to take it.
They cant be sure there is no onboard storage like the fast back 6 in 1 has wich is super well hidden.
Go for the nextool E1 and just cut off the blade ... It has very nice scissors and everything else you said
@@nabillaaroussi2965 The NexTool E1 lacks bottle cap remover, SIM card removal tool, scissors aren't using a midrange steel.
Basically, if NexTool is reading this, please make a version of the E1 that:
1. Swaps the file for a SIM card removal tool;
2. Swaps the fixed blade for a bottle cap remover;
3. Change the scissors' steel for D2;
4. If possible, please see if the multitool can be made lighter (maybe cutouts?). It's so close to a perfect air-travelling multitool.
@@JayMannStuff yep ... You're completely right ... I confused some of its tools with the mini sailor's ...
And sure the steel isn't great !! But they still make it work ... God knows how 😂😂
Tho i think it wouldn't be hard at all to mod it !!
I´d forgo the sim card removal tool and change that out for something else. But this would be as well my dream loadout.
As a lifelong reader of Marvel Comics I can never get over the fact that they're called Roxxon! Always makes me chuckle.
Can you explain??
@@maxlvledc Ah it's basically just a recurring evil company that shows up in comics. Makes me think there's some big nerds running these companies lol, like WE Knife using the Capsule Corp logo from DBZ for Civivi
@@maxlvledc So Roxxon is an evil company in marvel very much refferencing/based on Exxon, one of the companies that is a descendent of the infamous Standard Oil. With Roxxon having it's hands in a bunch of different businesses, arranging for the murders of Iron Man's parents. The current President looks like a Minotaur and one of the previous Presidents of the company attempted to overthrow the U.S. Government and also summon the evil elder god Set, the evil Conan god.
@@kermitthepog7063I never noticed the capsule corp! That's great!!😂
I think that there are a number of reasons Victorinox don't offer modular knives/multitools.
Firstly it's actually a relatively small company, the owner, Carl Elsener, is the great grandson of the founder, Georg Elsener, and his father and grandfather were the owners before him. It's a family business. It's production facility is in the village of Ibach in the mountains of Switzerland, which has a population of just over 4,000. It's about 45 miles from the nearest town or city.
Secondly if they did this, nobody would buy more than one Victorinox. As it is many of us buy a number of SAKs for different use cases and situations, I have 10, from the Classic SD to the Swisschamp, also the current Soldier model, amongst others.
Those 10 SAKs together (Classic SD, Hiker, Farmer, Climber, Farmer X, Soldier 08, Spartan, Moneyclip, Ambassador, Swisschamp) cost me about the same as one Leatherman Arc, or less than a base model 2 layer Medford American Service Knife which is modular, plus a couple of extra small tools to make an extra layer, and none of those include a woodsaw, scissors, metal file, or inline Phillips, but I have numerous SAKs with those tools. To be honest looking at the tool options on the Medford ASK they seem a bit limited so it's by no means the perfect modular pocket knife.
Victorinox are so inexpensive that we can afford to buy a variety of them, and just swap out the entire knife on a day to day basis, instead of having to dismantle and modify them for different use case scenarios.
The example using the Medford ASK shows that even when there is a good quality modular pocket knife out there, it doesn't have anywhere near the utility of a bunch of SAKs purchased for the same price or less. If Victorinox were somehow able to make such a knife, it would probably work out way more expensive than just having a bunch of SAKs.
To put it into context, here in the UK I can buy a Victorinox Super Tinker for £22. That translates to 25 Swiss Francs, and in that Canton of Switzerland, the minimum wage per hour is 23.90 Swiss Francs! Or the price of a medium pepperoni pizza with a small Pepsi from Dominos in Switzerland. How they can manufacture, ship and retail such a great product for such a low price is just amazing, and I for one hope they continue doing what they are doing.
Wow. Thank you so much for this.
Backing you up. Every proposed mod you made to the modular pocket knife made sense and makes me want one immediately, whether I need it or not.
Victoronix has had a multi tool out for 20 plus years and it’s the best. I’ve had them all and their MultiTool is top notch.
Super yes to longer platform. Roxon should hire you as a consultant.
Lol, I'm jusr thankful they listen
Roxon is killing it! Giving the community what it's been asking Leatherman & Victorinox FOR YEARS!
Simply using the handle off the Flex is a fantastic idea. What that does too is allow you to carry tools with you that aren't normally on your full Flex and you can swap them between the tools if you so choose.
Your modification looks more ergonomic to hold while using the implements. It also make more sense from a manufacturing point since they already have to make the handles for the plier based multitool. Manufacturing costs money, re-using a design you already have saves time and money.
There was some dremel work required, but that'd only be 1 different component, so manufacturing would still be faster
@@SILVERF0X13 That one small change could still be used on the original release. It's just a part swap, so one part on both.
Please listen to this man. He knows what he’s talking about, and he’s our voice.
I prefer Doms idea. The plier end shouldn't neccesary have a folding driver. Make a spacer with a cutout for a 4mm/ 1/4" driver, and fix it with 2 thick screw. Idk how wide the frame is, but should be sturdy enough. Sure, you need an extender, but if you carry a bitkit, its barely any extra. Can be made in a 90 angle, for extra torque, but I'd prefer the in line variant. Or go crazy: Inline 4mm, 90degree quarter inch driver. Ohhgod, it just gets better and better.
Really good idea. It saves tool space while still giving you the utility, less moving components would also in theory make it stronger than a folder.
I think it would be best with 1/4" in the frame and using an adapter for 4mm.
Love the enthusiasm. Roxon is gonna be HUGE if they keep this momentum.
Yes, I been begging for at least an order to build if not a build your own SAK for years, and yes there’s others but they north, some well north, of $100. Agree with the 5 long slot implementation. Thanks for sharing.
I like the smaller form factor though of the prototype. To have it that small with 4 implements but without the plastic bit hindering the use of long inserts would be an instant buy from me!
I think long term it would be great to have a lock on each side. If you put a short implement on one side you could put a short one on the other side as well.
Can't wait for Roxon putting this in production! I also hope that they make different versions with 2, 4 and 6 slots so you have a choice of light and heavy carry.
Instead of the 1/4 bit driver my suggestion to them (which I have already provided as feedback) was to just make the pocket knife double ended so that small implements could be used opposite each other
Oh that's a great idea. Making each slot fit either 1 long or 2 short adds a lot more options.
I think there's room for both. I also think that if you're coming at Vic, the pocket clip needs to be forgotten and only added as an option at the end if it can be barely fit in. both options MUST MUST MUST MUST MUST have some basic scale tools like tweezers, toothpick, pen, pin, etc. I definitely see value in their prototype, because for a simple small pocket knife like that, the only long implement I want would be either blade or scissors. (scissors for another bladeless travel knife let's goooo) but I also really like your idea of making a (still substantially larger in the SAK category) half Flex multitool accommodating 5 long tools. different options for different purposes
While I haven't taken one apart my self, from what I've seen with custom Victorinox Swiss Army Knives, all they really have to do is replace the brass pins with a screw and screw post (Like KeySmart and other key organizers do) and beef up the scales to be a bit more user serviceable (ie: not glued on) and sell the components, liners, and springs. It wouldn't be as readily interchangeable like the Flex (slide to unlock, insert or remove tool), but beyond taking the file out to sharpen a knife you're not going to be doing a lot of 'in the field' tool changes. Pick your parts, stack them, screw it together and go. Might have to beef up the implements to fit the screw and posts over the pins, but being able to readily customize would probably be worth the added weight.
100% this.
Dom, you’re 100% correct on the size… Roxon got it right with the Flex. Especially since they’re using lighter materials for the knife, they might as well make it full size.
Very cool but IMO, never gonna beat the tried and true Victorinox. I love my compact and carry it every single day!
The flex is very cool but this modular system in a pocket knife format has me incredibly excited. Victorinox should be worried.
I back u up fully, 100% agreed! I hope they listen to you!
Really hope Roxon takes this vid to heart, amazing video detailing what they could have.
That looks very interesting. Hope the final product can take inserts from both sides. Yes it needs more room for long inserts but also allow short ones from both sides. Just like it is on a Swiss Army Knife.
wow I'm super excited about this one
Your mods are such a good idea! I really hope Roxon is paying attention!
Totally agree, great idea.
Customable EDC can lead to early wear and tear of screw threads, washers, spacers which can compromise safety and chances of loose implements is higher!
Thank you.
Love the concept! I've seen something similar in vintage knives, so a modernisation of the mechanism would be very welcome. Absolutely love your suggestions, and i hope Roxxon take note.
Now that's something I'll be buying. They should make that.
That was an excellent walkthrough of *some* of the good reasons why Victorinox does not make anything like this. :D
But you're far from the only one who will prefer the frustration of putting together their preferred combination of five or so functions (and very likely spend ten minutes twice a day going back to change some of the tools) in a package size that Victorinox would put ten tools into - ten tools that work out of the box without any hassle, *because* they aren't user-swappable.
This is a really cool prototype, and your idea was equally as cool. I was already sold on the Roxon Flex, but now I'm preordering.
Great concept I hope this is the future
Most definitely backing you up!
The prototype in its current form, given that it can only hold 4 implements, would have to cost literally next to nothing to even be competitive. Even the smallest SAK has... what.... 3, 4 tools? I simply don't think it would work at all (again, in its current form).
Ideally, I would welcome a tool that has lock/tool replace levers on both ends, so that on one end you can have a 1/4" bit holder with one extra spacer, and a long implement and 4 shorter ones on the other end. Or you can have 5 long implements and 5, custom, super stubby ones.
Yes! I agree! A few years ago, I made a nice pocket knife with half of a Multiforce. It would be a great pocket knife, if the implements could be reconfigurable in the fly!
I hope someone is listening! Having more than one long tool is a must!
love what u did
Pay attention roxon!! This guy has the right idea!! Great video my friend!!
Great idea, why they didn't think of that. It make sense, saves from engineering and manufacturing. The tool I need and use often and I dont see is 3mm long flat screwdriver, for kids toys and recessed solar controller flat screws. Cheers 👍
I, an d i think that i was not the only one, once asked the vic service team to give the posibillity for customers to make their own knifes.
I like the shorter length and scales of the prototype but I also agree with a lot of your suggestions. Part of the pocketability advantage of the SAK is that it is smaller than most pliered multitools. I would keep the prototype length but move the pocket clip as you suggested so as to allow for 3 or 4 long implements. It also would be a nice touch to put a spot for tweezers (or pen, etc) in the scale like on Victorinox knives. Room for a bit driver is a great idea too.
I don’t need either at this point but I’d use your version over theirs every time.
Leatherman in particular needs to get on-board with this idea.
Do it like the pocket clip on the 501, extra bonus points if you can also swap out the scales.
I agree with every word you said. I'll take the extra length to have 5 long tools. Even just blade and scissors can't work in the little one, which is such a common pairing.
I'll probably get whatever they make, but I'll get more of them if it's a 5 long configuration.
As for the other end... Put another tool pivot there. Make it large enough for 2 small tools to be head to head, or one long tool and a spacer on the other side. That gives you anywhere from 5-10 slots, depending on size.
Now I kind of want to get a Flex and do surgery on it, though I don't know if I have the machinist stomach for it. :-) Maybe a vid on how you did it, for the adventurous?
CORK SCREW!!!
I instantly love this. I’ll buy a bunch of these for different tasks. Cigar cutter and divot tool for golf day. Comb and cork screw for date night.
You could also just buy all the tools and make bundles for those different tasks, and just swap them into the handle since it's pretty quick to do.
Would 100% buy the flex handle version. And if they don't release that version I'm going to do it myself like the video. Great tool
So excited for this. I can build the tools I actually need and can legally carry
I also like the idea of easily replacing a broken one, or if it’s not possible to clean it well after scraping some adhesive or such.
Yeah this is what i want. I carry my half of a supertool 300 similar to this, but would love the ability to choose different tools depending on the day. Definitely would prefer it hold 4-5 long implements. Their prototype is nice too for being smaller and probably lighter. Id buy both.
What about a TSA cleared set up for flying like the Jetsetter?
Both options seem equally useful.
Fantastic modification! Roxon please use the Flex’s frame for a pocket knife accommodating several long implements. This idea is just too genius for Roxon not to take note. Wow!
Wow awesome
Good ideas. Both models are good. I would probably buy both. Waiting for Roxon to filter into Europe.
You hit on a lot of key points and I agree with you 100%. If they offer basically half a frame of the pliers just like you said I would buy one and a hot minute. But I also kind of like the look of the prototypes granted they're not going to be able to hold a bunch of full-size implements but I can see in certain casual situations when I don't want to carry a larger pocket knife. Back to the half frame, I agree with you on the bit driver or something like that in there. Or a properly shaped Marlin Spike, could fit on that back side as well. Sorry for bringing up the Marlin Spike again I'm very adamant about it. I also had some ideas for a few other implements.
I don't think I've seen what I would consider a small game knife. What I mean by that is a knife with a gut hook at the end. Maybe there's one there and I didn't see it or I missed it. Also a shackle key would not be out of the realm of possibility for people that like to either sail or four-wheel drive. The final tool idea I had was a fishhook disgorger. Its a tool used to get a fish hook out when the fish has swallowed the baited hook. That's all I have for now.
Please keep up the good work on this company and tools, I am very interested and I'm definitely buying one of the multi-tools you have earned my subscription and all the thumbs up I can give you.
You make a lot of valid points. My only exposure to Roxon is the Grill multi tool which is great so far. Otherwise, I don’t know much about Roxon knife reliability and longevity. I have used my Leatherman WAVE for nearly 2 decades and love my Swiss Army Knife (Compact), but there is always one tool I wish I could replace (e.g. parcel hook). I would put a mustache comb or something like that. Let’s hope ROXON listens to the folks like you that have great ideas. God Bless!
Modular knives and multi tools are a niche market. Time will tell if it is just a good idea or a good profitable idea.
I dont kmow if something like this would replace the couple of swiss army knives i prefer to carry but i will be keeping an eye out and do really like the idea.
yes!
All great points, Dom, and obviously lots of room for additional improvements, but to compete with Victorinox they are really going to have to get form and function correct. There is a reason why the Compact is so beloved. Sure its cool that you can fit a bunch of tools on this but if the form is too big and bulky, people just aren't going to pocket carry it and for a lot of regular people, that's a no go.
The modular system is great, and a pocket knife version is the way to go, but we are still limited to a static frame that realistically isn't that much different then all of the "half" multitool options that are already out there.
There is so much potential for them to take a piece out of the SAK market, but they need to put more time into development and understanding why people love Victorinox's so much.
I have several Victorinox models that I have purchased over The years: a Classic SD, three Cadets, an LL Bean Midnight Mini Champ, a Mini Champ with alox scales, a Huntsman, a Compact, and a Swiss Tool Spirit X. One thing I have really come to appreciate are the compactness, fairly minimal weight, and the smooth tolerances. My Spirit X is really enjoyable to open and close the implements.
After years of daily carry and usage, the cellidor scales began cracking and falling apart on my Midnight Mini Champ, but it's understandable. I need to replace them as the rest of the knife is still good.
Roxon needed to do this yesterday.
I like the idea of having a pocket knife and a multitool and then implements that can go back and forth. I do like the idea of something based on half the handle though, I think it even looks nicer and yours is a garage build.
Ya I think that 1/2 flex is a good idea. I also like the small form factor prototype. I could certainly make do with 2 shorter tools and 2 longer ones. Maybe have both the longer 1/2 flex and the shorter prototype??? Yes quick deploy knife on both is cool
I love this prototype, it is an optimal compromise to have compact dimensions with at least one long blade and deep carry clip…😍👍
I definitely long for a customizable Swiss knife like that. I think my ideal platform would be something like half of a Leatherman wave. You have room for two long implements, and then two different b sides for inner implements. I'd want a bit driver on one side, and that could be a fixed piece if it needs to be. Then the other side could be customizable small implements.
On the right track for a real personal pocket tool! I'm only familiar with the SAK and leatherman wood saws..why is it so difficult to duplicate or make a better one for these other companies?Thank you again for this channel!
I was just thinking that yesterday. We need a tool that’s like the leatherman t2 but thinner and with longer tools and just longer in general. I’m in maintenance and do renovations and as of now there is no perfect mutitool folding knife. This is awesome and I want one
They should hire you. 👍
Agreed that a 5 slot tool with all long slots would be better. It would also be nice to have tweezers/pen/pin in the scales, but not necessary as I'm sure those things will be available as slotted options.
Great idea. They should make it a true transformer where it can be used as a plier or modular handle assembly
For edc folks this is a grail, my only serious endevors though are backbacking and foraging so I care primarily about weight and aesthetics. The victorinox is classy and non-threatening, and it weighs sooo little for the great qulity you are getting
Another thing they should consider is bringing out different sizes with different amounts of layers. Some might want a 2 layer version for a dress occasion while others would appreciate a 6 layer version. But putting the clip on the outside seems like a must.
If designed just right, it could be theoretically possible to make a knife that can scale in number of layers by just using longer/shorter posts. That could be an interesting way to do things.
Your version makes more sense and looks better, in my opinion, too. My perfect one would have a Philips driver, knife blade, scissors and probably a file for the last tool, especially if the end of the file worked as a scraper or light duty flat head driver.
I need them to come up with a bigger scissor I’d really love to see something on the same level as in the nextool pokettool e1, I’m going to be putting the spacer from the new tsa pliers into the e1 so it’s bladeless but has the little glow tab
I really hope that Roxon start selling Flex in Europe. It look so great multi tool! And I think there is a market to pocket knife too.
I do have a Phantom and having two pocket knives, one with blades and another TSA compliant with scissors and bit driver ( like cybertool but no blades) would be a big game changer and worth $120 .
IMO, the most important tools for slim minimalist multitool are
1. a knife
2. a magnetic 1/4 bit driver
3. bottle opener
4. scissors
I hope they change the shape to oval-ish like the SAK and other camp knives, its a much more aesthetically pleasing profile and can better appeal to the regular crowd who are familiar with swiss army knives
Love the concept, I'd stack this with all the non-knife tools and pair it with a fixed blade for camping!
They should not be upset with the critique. They should be paying you to help them with development. I don't like the big plastic spacer. I totally agree with you. I would buy a tool like the one you built. Their pocket knife design is unnecessarily thick/chunky. Good work, I hope they take your idea and run with it.
Hey Dom. They should definitely improve the prototype or go with the half handle idea. I honestly would prefer one not being the half handle and fixing it up as it would be closer to the ROXON KS2 that I am currently carrying. Perhaps one solution would be to make it a little wider to accommodate other tools that would deploy horizontally instead of vertically. Don’t know if doing that is impossible but trying to find a way to fit one more tool preferably one that you would use more by taking it out of the multitool would give it a great addition.
That’s cool
I like the idea of it being slightly shorter than the flex handle. But they should absolutely change the pocket clip position to allow for all tools to be long.
No OEM can satisfy the most thorough (neurotic) EDC RUclipsr. MaxLvl stands alone.
Facts
I wear the nerotic, obsessed title with pride
It would be nice to be able to customise the Victorinox products.
I think 4 slots is enough. Personally think they need to keep it slim. I would use this as a knife companion: no blade, just a few useful tools like scissors, file/flathead, phillips, awl.
I also think they could develop a double ended version that would be optimized for the short tools.
I like the idea of a half a frame flex tool with 4-5 large implements. But I do want them to release something like the proto along side it. A small 4-5 implement one as well. Not only does it compete with SAK and other smaller tools but some people are restricted by size, or prefer a smaller SAK style of tool. All roxon needs to do is make a small implement scissor and they will cover most of the SAK needs.
Despite your prototype looking far better I would still carry either a SAK or a "half wave clone" over it. That's being said, I would still buy one as a companion for flex for when I want to carry more large tools than the flex can handle.
I agree with this. However I have one more suggestion. Make the frame in the exact same way but opposite. So that you can decide if you want it a left handed or right handed frame ( for us lefty’s). Do that and you would revolutionize the market for those out there that have this problem. Just think if you could buy the plier version in a left handed frame as well. If you did this and be the first one to do it….. WOW. No one would have this.
I believe Victorinox has the potential of going modular by making a simple switch from rivets to screws and barrels. Perhaps this would mess up their sales and logistical models for a while, but later, for a customer to be able to customize a swiss army knife himself would he a potential end-game and shock for everyone else, even plier-based makers.
I agree with your version and think all they would need to do is make it a bit long overall and put a built in locking bit driver on the other side with room for 5 long tools of our choosing. Do that and I'll take 5 family please.
I like the concept but I think you've nailed it on the head basically they just need to do as you've done just half the flex all the tooling is there for it and yes some form of quarter inch driver should be designed in
Design of the prototype
Size of your modified 1/2 pocket knife
No branding on the pocket clip
1/4” bit driver in the back.
That right there sounds like a best seller.
I’d rock a knife, scissors, saw, multitool blade and diamond file.
cool
Someone needs to make some key blanks that are profiled to fit the arc, p2, and p4. this would be interesting to see.
Bump. Do what the man says.