The Mhybe is a fantastic character I think. The torment she feels between loving her child and wanting to live is just so well done and I feel for her 😅
I had a long tennis match this morning, so I’m a bit late here. I’ve got a ton of work right now in the last weeks of the semester, but it can wait a bit longer while I watch this and sip some tea. I highly recommend you watch A.P. Canavan’s videos about the prologue on his channel, A Critical Dragon. Very helpful!
I feel like Malazan is good in retrospect during first read through. Not while your reading it but while youre thinking about what youve read. Then second read if youre willing is just phenomenal.
I love watching you’re reactions as you’re going through the books! I’m totally living vicariously through you and vibing with all that you’re experiencing! Great video!! 💪🙏❤️✊
There's nothing better than seeing someone going through the same emotions and confusions I had when reading these books! Lots of "I'm with ya there" and "Tell me about it!" 😂 Delighted you're still enjoying it 🍻 Sláinte
Iskar where are you! The malazantube community needs you, rhe chapter by chapter stuff was so helpful. And once I got to the end of your videos, I missed having your videos to watch after each chapter.
Hi Mike, this was really interesting, and I am relieved to hear that the intrigue and fascination is out weighing the frustration. I am very much looking forward to your next instalment of spoiler talk as you get deeper into the story.
Hey AP! Thanks. It's par for the course for me to have more questions than answers, be incredibly frustrated with the storytelling techniques, and completely obsessed and unable to focus on anything other than Malazan while reading one of these books. Ha. I look forward to our discussion next month!
@@mikesbookreviews I am looking forward to the chat, and I am fairly sure you will tie up a lot of your own loose ends long before we talk. These books really are different and that is one of the things I really enjoy about them. Have a great week.
Malazan is like a delicacy. When you first try it you don't know you like it. Its sour, bitter and a little bit tangy. But you keep coming back for more. Next thing you know you are spending 2K on a special edition book...
Felt the same about the Grey swords up to this point. But give them a chance Somehow Gruntle just clicked with me The second part of the book is way better, but the final third is crazy
Malazan is something that I never try to fully understand. It’s helpful to pickup what you can and reread it like five times and it’ll really really start to blow your mind! I love it and I love that there’s so much info to always have new things ti find unpack and understand
I think one of the reasons I enjoy these books is that going through them for the first time I was thinking "what the hell is going on? Who is this? Why are we here?" and it is really enjoyable to watch these videos seeing you having a good time going over your thoughts on the books. I think that it was probably Erikson's intent to pack so much in so that you can get the deeper meaning from these books over time and upon reflection. All the extraneous details elevate the books form great to epic and makes the topics and themes brought up last in your mind for a longer period than they would have otherwise. Though it does bloat the story if your just in it for the main plot. Anyway its great to see your take on the books in these spoiler talk videos, I especially like all the rhetorical questions you pose, and thanks for the great content in general. But I love Kruppe..
Once again Mike, I think you're grasping more than what you give yourself credit for. As for the two Jaghut kids in the prologue - their relevance will make perfect sense by the end of the book. On a personal note - finally received my Sub Press copy of The Crippled God. After all this time I now have the complete series in the Sub Press format :)))))
@@BooksRebound Yeah, they do sell out quickly. And in recent times scalpers have added to that difficulty. Only chance to get any of these books now is on the secondary market, but that's a very expensive business. Hopefully one of the other fine press publishers eg Folio Society will consider printing the Malazan series ... it would be cool for other readers to have an opportunity to buy the complete series in something other than mass market paperback format ; these big books deserve better than that.
The convergence of each book as you said makes the beginning seem better in hindsight. All your questions are valid and on point. The third person multiple perspectives improves in each book as well as you know the characters so much better you start understand who's head a lot quicker which helps. Glad you're enjoying the struggle.
I say this every spoiler chat and I continue to be surprised but I swear we are having the exact same struggles and thoughts while going through the series lol Grey Swords and Gruntle's party specifically. Literally the exact same feelings.
i remember this prologue and the first time i read it, it was frustrating because you could tell something important was there but, what was it!? however, this prologue gets fairly clear by the end of the book, more than either of the previous books imo. i wouldn't call Kallor frail...i still don't understand how he has any power though (like to curse the gods), is douchbaggery a superpower? I didn't really like Gruntle's group and the grey swords in the beginning of the book either, they get better. but the sword wielding trex are terrifying. but yes the first halfish of this book is still difficult, the payoff however seems so much better (to me) than the first two books. Poor Toc... Yeah Paran, stop being a baby :) i see why he's uncomfortable though with silverfox, the tattersail relationship always bothered me, but if someone that you even remotely liked, and looked up to as a mentor lets say, then she's in a childs body and you remember her being quite 'attractive', thats awkward. I always called the mother the 'maybe'. but i never pronounce these crazy fantasy names outloud so it's more like i see the word and know who it is rather than worrying about saying it in my head. one of my favorite quotes in all the books is when Rake and Kallor are talking about Silverfox: Kallor's voice boomed, "I seek the justice of your sword--allow none to sway you with sentiment..." "What else, Kallor," [Rake] said in a low, calm voice, "keeps my blade from your black heart...if not sentiment?"
I've pulled back from the Discord because I feel like there are too many people jumping in to talk about later books. Even if it's not a "spoiler," I still don't like being told what to expect or how I'm supposed to feel. It sounds like you're getting more of that than anybody else. I loved Memories of Ice from start to finish, but I also put in a lot of work reading and rereading GOTM and DG. I was too confused and felt like I was missing the real emotional impact of the story (especially DG). I decided I wasn't going to go through a whole ten-book series feeling that way, so I went back and reread both GOTM and DG multiple times. I didn't want to go on and miss out on another amazing story because I was glitching on too many random details. I made sure I felt like I mostly understood what I was supposed to understand and could formulate meaningful questions about the stuff I didn't. I'm glad I did as MOI has easily been the best book in the series so far. In fact, I would say reading (and rereading) Malazan has made me a better reader. It was frustrating, at first. That was partly the result of my own bad habits as a reader, and partly not understanding Erikson's expectations for the reader. Now, I've fixed (some of) those habits and feel like I am really paying attention as I'm reading. This might be a stretch but I feel like it's even made more observant of people in real life. Weird, right? I'm really looking forward to your talk with AP. He (and Philip Chase) helped me get over the hump. He responded to several of my embarrassing and somewhat obnoxious comments on his videos about GOTM and DG. I'll probably leave a few more in the future, too.
@@mikesbookreviews I can't control what other people do - all I can do is control my own response. If people keep jumping into MOI channels with observations, comparisons, whatever, about later books, then I'm going shut the browser and go do something else.
Hi Richard, I am really happy that the videos and comments helped. That is why I make the videos and respond to comments. I am looking forward to seeing more from you as you read through the series.
This book had a lot of extremes for me, the Tenescowri, one the most f'd up things I have read, and the K'Chain who are probably the coolest and most badass fantasy race I have read of.
I think it's interesting that you bring up the history of Stormlight Archives, that's one area where I think it's easily the weakest point of that series. It feels like there was one major event in its past and then there's seemingly nothing until the current story. I always thought it was weird with Stormlight that not much is ever talked about history wise.
I think think there is plenty of history in Stormlight. You have that religious overhaul with Vorinism. The Alethkar uniting wars. that mention of that Sun bloke who united them before Gavilar then died and it broke again. Yes it does seem to focus on Alethkar but most of the characters are in or around there so it makes sense kinda. I agree its not on the level of Malazan but there is defiantly enough to give the illusion of history within that world.
20 minutes of you crushing my heart this has been the best reading experience of my whole life lol I wasn’t expecting you to be this bummed about the intro I’m halfway through right now and it’s exceeded my every expectation for this book. I agree on Krupa though lol
Trying to get back into this series, stopped halfway through this book. This helped a lot. I think you said it really well that Erikson writes like you should already know the information he gives you. I think that’s why I had a hard time getting into this series, it was a lot less accessible than Sanderson work, but I can tell it will pay off. Really cool world.
300,000 years isn’t that long ago for the series tbh. You’ll get more info as you go on. T’Lan Imass get the award for the most “when we say we will hate you to the end of time we MEAN IT” group of people in the history of ever. I’m very excited to see your thoughts as you finish this book.
My advice would be to take people's suggestions on characters you will love with a grain of salt. In my experience erikson builds his characters and explains the world/story at a good pace but I feel like if you have preconceptions it will only leave you astray. I don't know if that made sense but yeah I love your videos man keep it up.
I love watching you go through the story and remembering my time with it. I can tell you it gets way cooler than raptors with sword arms, more complicated than azath and deck of dragons and more frustrating than Kruppe stuffing his face but if you don't try to understand the whole Malazan universe, after all is said and done it just leaves this awesome feeling of "wow.. what a ride"
Your reactions are incredibly relatable! I'm not the biggest fan of Gruntle's storyline either tbh. Toc and Tool though! 👌 Lady Envy is the queen! I'd love to get a book about her's and Rake's travels!
You keep calling yourself dumb but you make observations that I didn't see until Erikson spelled it out later... so yeah, I must be REAL DUMB. :-p I get the frustration, it has been there for me as well, but hasn't taken away from enjoying the books. Glad to see you're still enjoying it and glad you're speeding up a bit.
@@mikesbookreviews I've finished Memories of Ice today So really appreciate your spoiler reviews as I often agree with your thoughts Particularly how the second half of each book seems to improve the first half on hindsight
Every Malazan book I've read (I'm on book 8) is 600-700 pages of confusing leg work, then 200 pages of confusing badass events, and then 200 pages of absolutely amazing but still confusing conclusion. Sometimes the events are scattered though the leg work. Except House of Chains, which is... different. Also, there's no smooth sailing in Malazan ever, but things do get a lot easier to understand around the end of The Bonehunters.
I think Erikson understands that having slow points helps the action when it does happen rise that much higher. Because you DO get the payoff in the books that makes all the setup worthwhile and wouldn't be as impactful without.
@@OrionSupergan true, but while it is "worth it" to push though, it's still difficult to do so the first time reading though the book. These books were written to be enjoyed on rereads IMO; which is fine with me, as I am a rereader.
@@DavidWilliams-rv8vj I like the analogy of this being the literary equivalent of the Dark Souls games. It's not 'easy' and you have to work at it. But once you put in the work, it's a masterpiece.
I just enjoy the entirety of the books but I'm an easy going person. The only time I had doubts was the start of Deadhouse but when you see where its going its just plain sailing and in other books that reset us somewhere new I was enjoying the entire ride! I think it might be that I enjoy really long books that meander and wind through amazing stories. There are so many characters that all have great individual stories that feed into the main plot (or don't but are beautiful nonetheless) and its just a good time reading. It may be because I haven't read a lot of epic fantasy that this grips me so much.
@@harima03 I didn't mean that they weren't enjoyable, just that they're confusing and difficult. I think most people would agree that that is a fair observation. It's not even really a criticism, as it does lead to a much more rewarding conclusion when you've worked your way though them. The only parts I haven't enjoyed had to do with the characters and plotlines in Midnight Tides (with the exception of Tehol and Bugg, of course) but even they had a satisfying conclusion. I even suspect I'll really enjoy Midnight Tides on reread. I was simply pointing out a pattern I noticed while reading the series.
I was completely uninterested in Gruntle's group until past chapter... 15, maybe? And the Greyswords... I mixed them so much in my head until close to the end of the book, really. Just as you said!
In almost every other series, these characters would be token background characters or used to set up actions for the 'hero' to conclude. You really can't just write off people as normal in Malazan, because while you get to know them it's never certain where they will end up.
I loved the fact that the bridge that Raest broke in GotM caused a traffic jam and I think I just enjoyed that moment and therefor also enjoyed these characters.
Forgive my spelling. I'm an audio book reader. The Mybe: I'm with you. Her story is tragic. I feel like she is trying her best to still lover her child and accept what's happening. Croup: he reminds me of The Scarlett Pimpernel. A wealthy noble who plays the foppish fool but actually is doing a lot in secret. But he is irritating at times.
When people say its "smooth sailing" from book 3, I think they mean in terms of motivation to continue reading, and being 'into' the story. Not that you will necessarily understand it. Love your reactions, can't wait to see the next one!
On chapter 23 now, I have enjoyed the book a lot so far and I feel that I get a lot more of the series, even if new questions arise in each chapter Thanks for the review, I've veen looking forward to hear you talk about the first parts
I just force myself to slow down my pace and also pick earlier times in the day for focused reading. It helps with understanding. I find myself keeping up better with this book so far, and not having to reread stuff as much.
Hey Mike, I always enjoy your views on Malazan. And again, you are right about so many things, the first half is tough. But without spoilers: Some of your questions will be answered on the second half, and the badass-level will rise even more. Don’t give up on Gruntle and the Grey Swords! Keep up the good work, I'll stay by your side, greetings from Germany
Fantastic video. Great recap and tonnes of great points.the whole deck of dragons thing goes so far over my head. I have real trouble grasping it. I find thinking of it like roles in the god pantheon , each bring a part of a different house. I struggled a fair bit with this book for many of the same reasons u highlight but by the end I felt it was worth it . Still Deadhouse Gates for me so far but enjoying House of Chains alot. It's more focused so far.
I was just thinking back to when I first read MoI.... I said on Discord that I'll be hitting this book on reread in a matter of days (been years since read it) but atm all I remember are the good/emotional bits. You just reminded me of how much I hated Kruppe and actually, Grey Swords, blah blah blah names, blah, names names, blah. Great summary about first half of book... I think with some rereaders we forget that we didn't know the stuff we know when they happened first time. I can see how annoying, and perhaps detrimental to your enjoyment it must be, when vets are saying 'oh this bit!' 'wait till you read that bit!' 'oh this chapter will blow your mind!' etc.. This puts a lot of expectation on you and in fact might change your experience by mere fact of that 'nudge'. Not sure how to get people to stop that though. Anyway just woke up in NZ so had a great video from you before I head off to work, thanks again for your great content. Dark Matter is on my wishlist now!!
It's so funny when Mike said he just doesn't get it, in regards to people liking Kruppe. XD Because I feel the exact same about people not liking Kruppe. It's just one of those things that either work or doesn't I guess.
Get used to "There's a lot of it going over my head." It starts sorting itself all out around the last quarter of book nine. It's around there all the stops come out.
Been waiting for this! I really enjoy seeing your thoughts/reactions as you go through! Can't wait for the reaction to the last two books in MoI. Kinda glad you're speeding it up as I get to see more of these videos sooner!
Finished MoI yesterday and pretty much agree with all the points Mike raised, again the back half or quarter this time really saves the book for me. A great read but my least favourite of the 3 so far - and Mike you ain't no slouch on putting things together, I totally missed one of the plots/points you connected 👍
I gotta say I just read the third book so I don't have the same experience vets do, but I really feel the need to point out every time you say you're not understanding something you proceed to explain more about it than I ever picked up on my read lmao. I think you need to give yourself more credit. Something someone told me that might help you though, is if you're having a question about something in the world, there's a very good chance a lot of the characters in the world have the exact same questions that you do. That definitely helped me roll with it more. Lastly I WILL NOT TOLERATE KRUPPE SLANDER!!!!!
How did Kallor curse them back? Kallor beat three ancient gods at their own game, at the same time. A lesson that we learn throughout the series that I think has been illustrated by the prologue of book three is that mortals have much more power than they generally think they do. Gods are powered/affected by mortal belief, and Kallor has a massive strength of will and belief in his purpose. He also knew that the gods were real and a threat to him, but also how they gained their power. It was the sacrifice of his empire and the belief that his followers had in him when they were sacrificed that gave him the power. Krull was the Blood god, Draconis was the Eleint god and could likely breathe fire to slay his enemies, and the unnamed goddess was also there and affected by Kallor’s purge for reasons we’ll find out later. Kallor trumped all three of them in one move. Also, there were cybernetic dinosaurs toys/cartoons in the 80s. You’re old enough to remember those, Mike!
The vision I had was giant sleestacks with swords. Silverfox and Alia. Had not occurred to me before. Hold that thought... You are really picking up a lot you don't seem to be giving yourself credit for. Erickson plays the long game and is sneaky. There are a lot of seeds thrown out there. And at some point, possibly books down the road, you will go 'hold on, so that's what he was talking about when ...' He also drops incredibly important scenes often unexpectedly in the middle of the larger scheme of things. The dinner scene in GotM for example. I think a lot of the frustration is trying to decide what is important and what is just flavor text. A lot of it is important on some level. But as you often state, there is enough to keep you intrigued and to want to go on. But yes, not telling you who is talking is very frustrating. The Tenescowri and Children of the Dead Seed are just wrong on so many levels. You really should watch APs vid on the prologue at some point. It might put a few things in perspective. It is also a good example of Erickson's writing methods. It is a scene that takes place in the past, sheds some light on events in previous books for the present and is probably foreshadowing something but you just can't tell what.
While I understand your frustration, this book is actually where it clicked for me (also first time reader). The gruntle and necromancer stuff, I felt the same way, but everything else was pretty amazing. The greyswords were really interesting from the get-go don't know why but I didn't have any trouble with it. Same goes for the council since they just represent the different gods, so I just thought of them as representatives. Overall MoI is a much easier read for me than the first two.
Its third book in a row, I can agree to You on every point. About Toc- It didn't Made sence to me he run with the cannibals at first, but then I reread his vision with Treach and there he speaks with K'Rul and he gives him the task to save the souls of these poor cannibals.
I think there's a pattern with every Malazan book sans GotM where it takes a while for it to click. I suspect we'll see a lot of confusion and frustration in spoiler talk #1, and then love in spoiler talk #2 for each book :) you're bang on about how the books never really become smooth sailing. I'm not sure why people keep telling you that either. I think what happens is the more you read the series the more comfortable you get with not knowing things, but I would never say it's smooth sailing even as someone who has read it twice and thinks it's the best fantasy series. it's just too complex, too deep to fully grasp on your first read. even after a 2nd read I still don't understand some things. none of that is to say you won't love the hell out of it by the end, and I can tell you're enjoying it even now, but smooth sailing? never, haha.
Dude... it gets worse after this for confusion if u ask me. That said... yes, bonehunters is the turning point... It starts to narrow in scope after that.
Nightchill's curse from Kallor was that she'd be betrayed on the battlefield, which did happen in Gardens of the Moon.. . . Edit: Gruntle is a boss 💯 but Itkovian takes the cake as the Best Character in the book imo.
The way I understood the prologue is that Kallor was able to curse the three Gods because he'd sacrificed so many lives in burning his own kingdom. I think it was 7 million, I guess that granted him power?
That's the way I understood it as well. They were going to kill him, but because of the sacrifices he was too powerful so they decided to curse him instead, then he used his new power to curse them back.
I agree with you that on top of all the info-dumping it does not help that the point of view in certain sections is far from clear, for several paragraphs at times. This "forces" the reader to re-read not only the whole series but even smaller parts within books in order not to feel completely dumb, only partially so. That said, by now (MoI) I've grown more comfortable not understanding stuff - which does not make the incomprehensible bits more enjoyable, though. Toc is one of my favorite characters but man, those sections that concern him but are pretty much like lucid dreaming... just frustrating on this first read. Having finished 3 books so far, I have the impression that one should not lose sight of the fact that the whole series is one big story or unit, and whoever gets down to read it should be ready for that. It is simply epic on an unprecedented scale. I mean people can accept relatively easy that they don't understand certain bits within a long book until the closing chapter, but being 80% clueless after close to 3000 pages is very different and requires a lot of dedication. I love the series though, I can also appreciate that I feel lost in this gigantic world and the anticipation of learning more and more about it in the upcoming months/years is not something any other series can give. So in spite of seeing its drawbacks, I'm all for Erikson's "don't compromise, go for the throat" approach.
BTW Mike, I believe the reason Kallor was able to curse the elder gods back is because he killed all the people in the kingdom and it has been said, that there is power in blood. So that might be the reason Kallore had the power from all those killed people. And about the warrens....I heard Erikson say in an interview, you are not supposed to now exactly how the magic system works. He said he doesnt like when the magic systems are explained in books because it takes away "the magic" out of it, just to paraphrase. Also about Tocs visions....dont skip them, pay attention, it will click at the end of the book.
These books have scenes and characters that form pieces of a puzzle, and when put together you get perfect little squares of different colors. Book by book you get more of these squares, and more different colors. Then they go from 2D puzzles to a 3D puzzle. At some point it clicks that you're building a rubics cube 😆 As long as you enjoy the challenge of the puzzle and looking at the colors.. you're fine!
I find Paran’s storyline very interesting. I relate to him as I can tell he is enduring a lot of stress, and as a result it is taking a toll on his health. Unless I misunderstood, he is on the road to ascendancy, and he is having an ‘oh shit’ reaction. I just finished reading ‘Percepliquis’, and a line from this book made me think of Paran, “Sometimes the price of dreams is achieving them.” He had dreams of serving in the military and now he is realizing all the pain, suffering, and responsibility that comes with it. Anyway that is just my take on Parran. I will admit he makes my mama’s heart hurt a little for him. I remember in Gardens of the Moon, he stated that it had been two years since he had a friend. I think he just wants to belong.
Hey man crap on Kruppe and Whiskeyjack all you like but don’t you dis my Gruntle! But seriously thank you for doing this, I’m really enjoying your reviews of one of my favourite series.
I don't know this, as I've only read the first three, but I think when people say book three is more straight forward and smoother I think they're mostly talking about the books direct plot. Like if you summed up the idea of Memories of Ice it'd basically be them taking on the Pannion Seer. I think what people forget is how overly heavy this book is with the world building and the craziness. I think this books world building makes Deadhouse Gates look easy with all it's D'ivers and path of hands stuff. I think this is the hardest book to this point when it comes to world building and just overall story elements. But as far as direct plot and main story, I would definitely say it's the least confusing. I think rereaders just forget the first time going through this book.
In hindsight I agree memories is a bit slow. I took a little brake in the middle of reading it. But I have to say, once shit takes off, it is so memorable. I literally had an adrenaline rush reading one of the scenes near the end of the book.
The depth of feelings Malazan evokes is something no other series has had for me. Like, yeah, i'll be sad or w/e reading another book, but never this soul-sucking emptiness that I need to just sit and stare at a wall to process.
@@OrionSupergan yeah, what happened to Seren Pedac for example just left me feeling bleak. "wow, just like that? that it?" is what I thought and it was brutal because it was short and concise.
Mhybe... "my-be"? I pronounce it that way in my head as I read. I enjoyed the Gruntle and Barghast scenes, because I'm fascinated by the two mysterious caravan masters. I'm waiting to see what they're all about.
I think book 6 is where I stopped being so confused every book and it is largely using the cast and characters you have already met. That being said, books 3 and 5 are my favorites of the 7.5 I have read.
Midnight Tides best book, 100%. I'm stoked for Mike to reach it, I personally think if someone were to only read 1 Malazan book, MT would be the best book in the series to read.
@@Alpharius That might be because it's closest to a standard book format, very light on info dumps and character inner voices, which I think is Eriksons weakest work. Also, humor in it is surprisingly dry and effective, in a way that elicits gaffors and chortles every now and then.
Everything goes completely crazy around mid-book 8, in my opinion. And I loved it. But, without a cautious re-reading there is crucial storyline from book 8 to the ending that it is very hard to completely catch.
Just paused at the moment where you started to comment on Gruntle's group around the 15:30 mark: I think I totally agree here. I think Gruntle's group sections are the least interesting, especially during this first half of the book. It does certainly get much better down the road within Memories of Ice, but still stays as the least interesting storyline within the novel.
The Mhybe is a fantastic character I think. The torment she feels between loving her child and wanting to live is just so well done and I feel for her 😅
"How is he cursing them back?"
Because he is an absolute madlad.
To be fair, "absolute madlad" is the best description of Kallor you can get.
I picture Kallor like Eastwood in Grand Torino...get of my f'n lawn
HOW do you dislike Kruppe?!?!?! He’s a frickin G man!!!! He’s been a G since the first book.
Kruppe is def my fave. He's so funny. Love every scene with him. Especially when he gets earnest. That's how you know shit's getting real.
I had a long tennis match this morning, so I’m a bit late here. I’ve got a ton of work right now in the last weeks of the semester, but it can wait a bit longer while I watch this and sip some tea. I highly recommend you watch A.P. Canavan’s videos about the prologue on his channel, A Critical Dragon. Very helpful!
Always happy to distract others from work. I will absolutely be checking out AP's stuff once I finish each book.
K'Chain Che'Malle became simply Chainmail in my head cannon with the image of a sword armed beast now covered in chainmail.
I feel like Malazan is good in retrospect during first read through. Not while your reading it but while youre thinking about what youve read. Then second read if youre willing is just phenomenal.
I love watching you’re reactions as you’re going through the books! I’m totally living vicariously through you and vibing with all that you’re experiencing! Great video!! 💪🙏❤️✊
I always look forward to the sage counsel you, Philip, and AP provide during this trip.
There's nothing better than seeing someone going through the same emotions and confusions I had when reading these books! Lots of "I'm with ya there" and "Tell me about it!" 😂 Delighted you're still enjoying it 🍻 Sláinte
Iskar where are you! The malazantube community needs you, rhe chapter by chapter stuff was so helpful. And once I got to the end of your videos, I missed having your videos to watch after each chapter.
Hi Mike, this was really interesting, and I am relieved to hear that the intrigue and fascination is out weighing the frustration. I am very much looking forward to your next instalment of spoiler talk as you get deeper into the story.
Hey AP! Thanks. It's par for the course for me to have more questions than answers, be incredibly frustrated with the storytelling techniques, and completely obsessed and unable to focus on anything other than Malazan while reading one of these books. Ha. I look forward to our discussion next month!
@@mikesbookreviews I am looking forward to the chat, and I am fairly sure you will tie up a lot of your own loose ends long before we talk. These books really are different and that is one of the things I really enjoy about them. Have a great week.
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Kruppe is most displeased by your hurtful words but Kruppe is cousin to serenity who hugs ones such as Kruppe even as we speak.
Malazan is like a delicacy. When you first try it you don't know you like it. Its sour, bitter and a little bit tangy. But you keep coming back for more. Next thing you know you are spending 2K on a special edition book...
Oh, I'm totally obsessed. That's why I'm reading it so slow.
Mike: The Pannion Domine has better be a threat.
Erikson : Hold my beer.
The seguleh are hilarious. I always wanted more of them. I read this a long series a while ago... maybe I should pull them off the shelf and catch up.
Felt the same about the Grey swords up to this point. But give them a chance
Somehow Gruntle just clicked with me
The second part of the book is way better, but the final third is crazy
Malazan is something that I never try to fully understand. It’s helpful to pickup what you can and reread it like five times and it’ll really really start to blow your mind! I love it and I love that there’s so much info to always have new things ti find unpack and understand
I think one of the reasons I enjoy these books is that going through them for the first time I was thinking "what the hell is going on? Who is this? Why are we here?" and it is really enjoyable to watch these videos seeing you having a good time going over your thoughts on the books. I think that it was probably Erikson's intent to pack so much in so that you can get the deeper meaning from these books over time and upon reflection. All the extraneous details elevate the books form great to epic and makes the topics and themes brought up last in your mind for a longer period than they would have otherwise. Though it does bloat the story if your just in it for the main plot.
Anyway its great to see your take on the books in these spoiler talk videos, I especially like all the rhetorical questions you pose, and thanks for the great content in general.
But I love Kruppe..
Once again Mike, I think you're grasping more than what you give yourself credit for. As for the two Jaghut kids in the prologue - their relevance will make perfect sense by the end of the book.
On a personal note - finally received my Sub Press copy of The Crippled God. After all this time I now have the complete series in the Sub Press format :)))))
@@BooksRebound Yeah, they do sell out quickly. And in recent times scalpers have added to that difficulty. Only chance to get any of these books now is on the secondary market, but that's a very expensive business.
Hopefully one of the other fine press publishers eg Folio Society will consider printing the Malazan series ... it would be cool for other readers to have an opportunity to buy the complete series in something other than mass market paperback format ; these big books deserve better than that.
@@BooksRebound If I need a quick $7k my books are yours !
The convergence of each book as you said makes the beginning seem better in hindsight. All your questions are valid and on point. The third person multiple perspectives improves in each book as well as you know the characters so much better you start understand who's head a lot quicker which helps. Glad you're enjoying the struggle.
I say this every spoiler chat and I continue to be surprised but I swear we are having the exact same struggles and thoughts while going through the series lol Grey Swords and Gruntle's party specifically. Literally the exact same feelings.
Yeah.. Im really feel stupid to not understand it but now im glad tht im not the only one to feel the same way😂
i remember this prologue and the first time i read it, it was frustrating because you could tell something important was there but, what was it!? however, this prologue gets fairly clear by the end of the book, more than either of the previous books imo. i wouldn't call Kallor frail...i still don't understand how he has any power though (like to curse the gods), is douchbaggery a superpower?
I didn't really like Gruntle's group and the grey swords in the beginning of the book either, they get better. but the sword wielding trex are terrifying. but yes the first halfish of this book is still difficult, the payoff however seems so much better (to me) than the first two books.
Poor Toc...
Yeah Paran, stop being a baby :) i see why he's uncomfortable though with silverfox, the tattersail relationship always bothered me, but if someone that you even remotely liked, and looked up to as a mentor lets say, then she's in a childs body and you remember her being quite 'attractive', thats awkward. I always called the mother the 'maybe'. but i never pronounce these crazy fantasy names outloud so it's more like i see the word and know who it is rather than worrying about saying it in my head.
one of my favorite quotes in all the books is when Rake and Kallor are talking about Silverfox:
Kallor's voice boomed, "I seek the justice of your sword--allow none to sway you with sentiment..."
"What else, Kallor," [Rake] said in a low, calm voice, "keeps my blade from your black heart...if not sentiment?"
I've pulled back from the Discord because I feel like there are too many people jumping in to talk about later books. Even if it's not a "spoiler," I still don't like being told what to expect or how I'm supposed to feel. It sounds like you're getting more of that than anybody else.
I loved Memories of Ice from start to finish, but I also put in a lot of work reading and rereading GOTM and DG. I was too confused and felt like I was missing the real emotional impact of the story (especially DG). I decided I wasn't going to go through a whole ten-book series feeling that way, so I went back and reread both GOTM and DG multiple times. I didn't want to go on and miss out on another amazing story because I was glitching on too many random details. I made sure I felt like I mostly understood what I was supposed to understand and could formulate meaningful questions about the stuff I didn't. I'm glad I did as MOI has easily been the best book in the series so far.
In fact, I would say reading (and rereading) Malazan has made me a better reader. It was frustrating, at first. That was partly the result of my own bad habits as a reader, and partly not understanding Erikson's expectations for the reader. Now, I've fixed (some of) those habits and feel like I am really paying attention as I'm reading. This might be a stretch but I feel like it's even made more observant of people in real life. Weird, right?
I'm really looking forward to your talk with AP. He (and Philip Chase) helped me get over the hump. He responded to several of my embarrassing and somewhat obnoxious comments on his videos about GOTM and DG. I'll probably leave a few more in the future, too.
We have mods in place to discourage that or tell them to go to the General Malazan section, but they do have to sleep and sometimes they miss it.
If I wasn't I'd be talking about how great Kruppe is since everyone but me seems to love him.
@@mikesbookreviews I can't control what other people do - all I can do is control my own response. If people keep jumping into MOI channels with observations, comparisons, whatever, about later books, then I'm going shut the browser and go do something else.
Hi Richard, I am really happy that the videos and comments helped. That is why I make the videos and respond to comments.
I am looking forward to seeing more from you as you read through the series.
@@ACriticalDragon Thanks, will do!
This book had a lot of extremes for me, the Tenescowri, one the most f'd up things I have read, and the K'Chain who are probably the coolest and most badass fantasy race I have read of.
I think it's interesting that you bring up the history of Stormlight Archives, that's one area where I think it's easily the weakest point of that series. It feels like there was one major event in its past and then there's seemingly nothing until the current story. I always thought it was weird with Stormlight that not much is ever talked about history wise.
I think think there is plenty of history in Stormlight. You have that religious overhaul with Vorinism. The Alethkar uniting wars. that mention of that Sun bloke who united them before Gavilar then died and it broke again. Yes it does seem to focus on Alethkar but most of the characters are in or around there so it makes sense kinda. I agree its not on the level of Malazan but there is defiantly enough to give the illusion of history within that world.
Your late call about the prologue and the seer was spot on. Nice catch!
So many IDK what's going on here is why the series is so good, the reward for that confusion when you connect the pieces is super high.
20 minutes of you crushing my heart this has been the best reading experience of my whole life lol I wasn’t expecting you to be this bummed about the intro I’m halfway through right now and it’s exceeded my every expectation for this book. I agree on Krupa though lol
Watch part 2. My feelings evolve ha ha
I call Mike as a Gruntle Fan within a couple chapters. (I'm cheating as he stated this on the discord lol)
I'm thinking of changing the name of the channel to Gruntle's Double-Sabre Book Reviews.
Trying to get back into this series, stopped halfway through this book. This helped a lot. I think you said it really well that Erikson writes like you should already know the information he gives you. I think that’s why I had a hard time getting into this series, it was a lot less accessible than Sanderson work, but I can tell it will pay off. Really cool world.
300,000 years isn’t that long ago for the series tbh. You’ll get more info as you go on. T’Lan Imass get the award for the most “when we say we will hate you to the end of time we MEAN IT” group of people in the history of ever. I’m very excited to see your thoughts as you finish this book.
My advice would be to take people's suggestions on characters you will love with a grain of salt. In my experience erikson builds his characters and explains the world/story at a good pace but I feel like if you have preconceptions it will only leave you astray. I don't know if that made sense but yeah I love your videos man keep it up.
I love watching you go through the story and remembering my time with it.
I can tell you it gets way cooler than raptors with sword arms, more complicated than azath and deck of dragons and more frustrating than Kruppe stuffing his face but if you don't try to understand the whole Malazan universe, after all is said and done it just leaves this awesome feeling of "wow.. what a ride"
More like being a part of Trygalle Trade Guild delivery run, "what a ride", but was it really worth it?
Rath' yomomma got me. Started giggling at work, definitely freaking out my co workers.
You will end up loving the Gruntle story by the end!
I began loving him in the very next chapter.
The curses are very important! You'll want to dip back into the prologue as you go through the rest of the book as it kinda frames some things to come
Your reactions are incredibly relatable! I'm not the biggest fan of Gruntle's storyline either tbh. Toc and Tool though! 👌 Lady Envy is the queen! I'd love to get a book about her's and Rake's travels!
Envy and Rake's travels would be an awesome novel or novella even!
You keep calling yourself dumb but you make observations that I didn't see until Erikson spelled it out later... so yeah, I must be REAL DUMB. :-p I get the frustration, it has been there for me as well, but hasn't taken away from enjoying the books. Glad to see you're still enjoying it and glad you're speeding up a bit.
I'm admittedly being hard on myself, I think.
I recently finished Dust of Dreams for the 3rd time and am just now putting all of the pieces of the series together
Loved the Stargate SG1 mention!
The best!
@@mikesbookreviews
I've finished Memories of Ice today
So really appreciate your spoiler reviews as I often agree with your thoughts
Particularly how the second half of each book seems to improve the first half on hindsight
Talking to AP about this book is going to be awesome.
I can't wait!
Every Malazan book I've read (I'm on book 8) is 600-700 pages of confusing leg work, then 200 pages of confusing badass events, and then 200 pages of absolutely amazing but still confusing conclusion. Sometimes the events are scattered though the leg work. Except House of Chains, which is... different.
Also, there's no smooth sailing in Malazan ever, but things do get a lot easier to understand around the end of The Bonehunters.
I think Erikson understands that having slow points helps the action when it does happen rise that much higher. Because you DO get the payoff in the books that makes all the setup worthwhile and wouldn't be as impactful without.
@@OrionSupergan true, but while it is "worth it" to push though, it's still difficult to do so the first time reading though the book. These books were written to be enjoyed on rereads IMO; which is fine with me, as I am a rereader.
@@DavidWilliams-rv8vj I like the analogy of this being the literary equivalent of the Dark Souls games. It's not 'easy' and you have to work at it. But once you put in the work, it's a masterpiece.
I just enjoy the entirety of the books but I'm an easy going person. The only time I had doubts was the start of Deadhouse but when you see where its going its just plain sailing and in other books that reset us somewhere new I was enjoying the entire ride! I think it might be that I enjoy really long books that meander and wind through amazing stories. There are so many characters that all have great individual stories that feed into the main plot (or don't but are beautiful nonetheless) and its just a good time reading. It may be because I haven't read a lot of epic fantasy that this grips me so much.
@@harima03 I didn't mean that they weren't enjoyable, just that they're confusing and difficult. I think most people would agree that that is a fair observation. It's not even really a criticism, as it does lead to a much more rewarding conclusion when you've worked your way though them. The only parts I haven't enjoyed had to do with the characters and plotlines in Midnight Tides (with the exception of Tehol and Bugg, of course) but even they had a satisfying conclusion. I even suspect I'll really enjoy Midnight Tides on reread.
I was simply pointing out a pattern I noticed while reading the series.
I was completely uninterested in Gruntle's group until past chapter... 15, maybe? And the Greyswords... I mixed them so much in my head until close to the end of the book, really. Just as you said!
I had a similar experience. I didn't care about them at all until I suddenly did.
In almost every other series, these characters would be token background characters or used to set up actions for the 'hero' to conclude. You really can't just write off people as normal in Malazan, because while you get to know them it's never certain where they will end up.
I loved the fact that the bridge that Raest broke in GotM caused a traffic jam and I think I just enjoyed that moment and therefor also enjoyed these characters.
@@harima03 Those small things are what makes the series a joy to re-read.
Forgive my spelling. I'm an audio book reader.
The Mybe: I'm with you. Her story is tragic. I feel like she is trying her best to still lover her child and accept what's happening.
Croup: he reminds me of The Scarlett Pimpernel. A wealthy noble who plays the foppish fool but actually is doing a lot in secret. But he is irritating at times.
I don't think anyone hates Mhyve. They feel the sections with her are long. But that's part of the theme of witness.
it's the Mhybe and Krppe - and yes her story is tragic - she is written as a textbook example of postpartum depression.
When people say its "smooth sailing" from book 3, I think they mean in terms of motivation to continue reading, and being 'into' the story. Not that you will necessarily understand it.
Love your reactions, can't wait to see the next one!
Book4 and book 5 are quite "easy" compared to what's next, I think. The mess goes crazy around book 8.
Mortal Sword-gods military commander
Destraint- gods mage
Shield Anvil- gods priest
I think this is the easiest way to break down the roles.
The elder gods have a triumvirate of mortal representatives that the younger gods don't.
@@Paul_van_Doleweerd well said
On chapter 23 now, I have enjoyed the book a lot so far and I feel that I get a lot more of the series, even if new questions arise in each chapter
Thanks for the review, I've veen looking forward to hear you talk about the first parts
All valid points Mike, I remember feeling the same 😊
I just force myself to slow down my pace and also pick earlier times in the day for focused reading. It helps with understanding. I find myself keeping up better with this book so far, and not having to reread stuff as much.
Hey Mike, I always enjoy your views on Malazan. And again, you are right about so many things, the first half is tough. But without spoilers: Some of your questions will be answered on the second half, and the badass-level will rise even more. Don’t give up on Gruntle and the Grey Swords! Keep up the good work, I'll stay by your side, greetings from Germany
Glad to finally hear your takes! You definitely pick up on things I always miss. Totally didn't think about the Lady Envy/ Rake/ Draconus triangle!
You're so right about Whiskeyjack!
Seconded. Give me Dujek any day.
@@JohanHerrenberg Dujek is the man!
Fantastic video. Great recap and tonnes of great points.the whole deck of dragons thing goes so far over my head. I have real trouble grasping it. I find thinking of it like roles in the god pantheon , each bring a part of a different house. I struggled a fair bit with this book for many of the same reasons u highlight but by the end I felt it was worth it . Still Deadhouse Gates for me so far but enjoying House of Chains alot. It's more focused so far.
I was just thinking back to when I first read MoI.... I said on Discord that I'll be hitting this book on reread in a matter of days (been years since read it) but atm all I remember are the good/emotional bits.
You just reminded me of how much I hated Kruppe and actually, Grey Swords, blah blah blah names, blah, names names, blah.
Great summary about first half of book... I think with some rereaders we forget that we didn't know the stuff we know when they happened first time. I can see how annoying, and perhaps detrimental to your enjoyment it must be, when vets are saying 'oh this bit!' 'wait till you read that bit!' 'oh this chapter will blow your mind!' etc..
This puts a lot of expectation on you and in fact might change your experience by mere fact of that 'nudge'.
Not sure how to get people to stop that though.
Anyway just woke up in NZ so had a great video from you before I head off to work, thanks again for your great content.
Dark Matter is on my wishlist now!!
I just finished book 2 in Memories of Ice yesterday, perfect timing!
*Watches cos he’s up to date finally with Malazan read along - gets bonus Wheel of Time spoiler* 😂😂
Whoops.
@@mikesbookreviews I figure it’s fair game - just cos my slow ass can’t read WOT fast enough !
It's so funny when Mike said he just doesn't get it, in regards to people liking Kruppe. XD Because I feel the exact same about people not liking Kruppe. It's just one of those things that either work or doesn't I guess.
I will try to get into this series again later when I can find time and motivation for it
Get used to "There's a lot of it going over my head." It starts sorting itself all out around the last quarter of book nine. It's around there all the stops come out.
Been waiting for this! I really enjoy seeing your thoughts/reactions as you go through! Can't wait for the reaction to the last two books in MoI. Kinda glad you're speeding it up as I get to see more of these videos sooner!
Finished MoI yesterday and pretty much agree with all the points Mike raised, again the back half or quarter this time really saves the book for me. A great read but my least favourite of the 3 so far - and Mike you ain't no slouch on putting things together, I totally missed one of the plots/points you connected 👍
I gotta say I just read the third book so I don't have the same experience vets do, but I really feel the need to point out every time you say you're not understanding something you proceed to explain more about it than I ever picked up on my read lmao. I think you need to give yourself more credit. Something someone told me that might help you though, is if you're having a question about something in the world, there's a very good chance a lot of the characters in the world have the exact same questions that you do. That definitely helped me roll with it more. Lastly I WILL NOT TOLERATE KRUPPE SLANDER!!!!!
Man, listening to you is like giving my thoughts a microphone 😆
Omg the struggles are real! Glad I'm not the only one on the struggle bus :)
How did Kallor curse them back? Kallor beat three ancient gods at their own game, at the same time.
A lesson that we learn throughout the series that I think has been illustrated by the prologue of book three is that mortals have much more power than they generally think they do. Gods are powered/affected by mortal belief, and Kallor has a massive strength of will and belief in his purpose. He also knew that the gods were real and a threat to him, but also how they gained their power. It was the sacrifice of his empire and the belief that his followers had in him when they were sacrificed that gave him the power. Krull was the Blood god, Draconis was the Eleint god and could likely breathe fire to slay his enemies, and the unnamed goddess was also there and affected by Kallor’s purge for reasons we’ll find out later. Kallor trumped all three of them in one move.
Also, there were cybernetic dinosaurs toys/cartoons in the 80s. You’re old enough to remember those, Mike!
The vision I had was giant sleestacks with swords.
Silverfox and Alia. Had not occurred to me before. Hold that thought...
You are really picking up a lot you don't seem to be giving yourself credit for. Erickson plays the long game and is sneaky. There are a lot of seeds thrown out there. And at some point, possibly books down the road, you will go 'hold on, so that's what he was talking about when ...'
He also drops incredibly important scenes often unexpectedly in the middle of the larger scheme of things. The dinner scene in GotM for example.
I think a lot of the frustration is trying to decide what is important and what is just flavor text. A lot of it is important on some level. But as you often state, there is enough to keep you intrigued and to want to go on.
But yes, not telling you who is talking is very frustrating.
The Tenescowri and Children of the Dead Seed are just wrong on so many levels.
You really should watch APs vid on the prologue at some point. It might put a few things in perspective. It is also a good example of Erickson's writing methods. It is a scene that takes place in the past, sheds some light on events in previous books for the present and is probably foreshadowing something but you just can't tell what.
Mike, I also thought about the same episode from SG1 :))
While I understand your frustration, this book is actually where it clicked for me (also first time reader). The gruntle and necromancer stuff, I felt the same way, but everything else was pretty amazing. The greyswords were really interesting from the get-go don't know why but I didn't have any trouble with it. Same goes for the council since they just represent the different gods, so I just thought of them as representatives. Overall MoI is a much easier read for me than the first two.
Its third book in a row, I can agree to You on every point.
About Toc- It didn't Made sence to me he run with the cannibals at first, but then I reread his vision with Treach and there he speaks with K'Rul and he gives him the task to save the souls of these poor cannibals.
Ah, I see. Good catch.
Saving the spoiler talk for later. I’m still behind!!
"are you serious right now or are you being metaphorical?" Yes.
I think there's a pattern with every Malazan book sans GotM where it takes a while for it to click. I suspect we'll see a lot of confusion and frustration in spoiler talk #1, and then love in spoiler talk #2 for each book :)
you're bang on about how the books never really become smooth sailing. I'm not sure why people keep telling you that either. I think what happens is the more you read the series the more comfortable you get with not knowing things, but I would never say it's smooth sailing even as someone who has read it twice and thinks it's the best fantasy series. it's just too complex, too deep to fully grasp on your first read. even after a 2nd read I still don't understand some things. none of that is to say you won't love the hell out of it by the end, and I can tell you're enjoying it even now, but smooth sailing? never, haha.
I’m with you on Toc. I don’t understand his decision to leave Lady Envy. He went from the frying pan into the fire. 😢 Maybe Tool will rescue Toc.
I think that Toc was starting to feel like Alice at the Mad Hatter's tea party. It was just too much for him.
This was simultaneously the one that got me truly invested in the series and that made me decide I needed a break. I'll be back, it's just...a lot.
I 100% get this.
Enjoyed this, Mike! Fallen a bit behind thanks to underestimating how enormous a book It is, but should catch up for book 5.
Once you finish the series it will be smooth sailing 😂
Mostly.
Maybe.
@@mikesbookreviews lol. You're doing fine though. I don't think it actually gets easier after Memories of Ice. I think you just get used to it.
@@mikesbookreviews Mhybe.
Dude... it gets worse after this for confusion if u ask me. That said... yes, bonehunters is the turning point... It starts to narrow in scope after that.
you are correct about Nightchill
Nightchill's curse from Kallor was that she'd be betrayed on the battlefield, which did happen in Gardens of the Moon..
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Edit: Gruntle is a boss 💯 but Itkovian takes the cake as the Best Character in the book imo.
That's so funny. I always pronounced it 'kerchain ch'mail'
The way I understood the prologue is that Kallor was able to curse the three Gods because he'd sacrificed so many lives in burning his own kingdom. I think it was 7 million, I guess that granted him power?
That's the way I understood it as well. They were going to kill him, but because of the sacrifices he was too powerful so they decided to curse him instead, then he used his new power to curse them back.
I always thought of it as them cursing Kallor and him saying "Fuck you too" turning the curse back on them.
Completely agree on Kruppe (cannot stand long winding speeches), though sometimes his subtle jokes are good, and on Gruntle storyline.
Looking good buddy...... Bring the books up to the den and we’ll do a podcast....
I agree with you that on top of all the info-dumping it does not help that the point of view in certain sections is far from clear, for several paragraphs at times. This "forces" the reader to re-read not only the whole series but even smaller parts within books in order not to feel completely dumb, only partially so. That said, by now (MoI) I've grown more comfortable not understanding stuff - which does not make the incomprehensible bits more enjoyable, though. Toc is one of my favorite characters but man, those sections that concern him but are pretty much like lucid dreaming... just frustrating on this first read.
Having finished 3 books so far, I have the impression that one should not lose sight of the fact that the whole series is one big story or unit, and whoever gets down to read it should be ready for that. It is simply epic on an unprecedented scale. I mean people can accept relatively easy that they don't understand certain bits within a long book until the closing chapter, but being 80% clueless after close to 3000 pages is very different and requires a lot of dedication. I love the series though, I can also appreciate that I feel lost in this gigantic world and the anticipation of learning more and more about it in the upcoming months/years is not something any other series can give. So in spite of seeing its drawbacks, I'm all for Erikson's "don't compromise, go for the throat" approach.
As for the curses, Kallor says so himself. He had just killed/sacrificed a few million people and by that power he curses them.
BTW Mike, I believe the reason Kallor was able to curse the elder gods back is because he killed all the people in the kingdom and it has been said, that there is power in blood. So that might be the reason Kallore had the power from all those killed people. And about the warrens....I heard Erikson say in an interview, you are not supposed to now exactly how the magic system works. He said he doesnt like when the magic systems are explained in books because it takes away "the magic" out of it, just to paraphrase. Also about Tocs visions....dont skip them, pay attention, it will click at the end of the book.
These books have scenes and characters that form pieces of a puzzle, and when put together you get perfect little squares of different colors.
Book by book you get more of these squares, and more different colors. Then they go from 2D puzzles to a 3D puzzle.
At some point it clicks that you're building a rubics cube 😆
As long as you enjoy the challenge of the puzzle and looking at the colors.. you're fine!
I find Paran’s storyline very interesting. I relate to him as I can tell he is enduring a lot of stress, and as a result it is taking a toll on his health. Unless I misunderstood, he is on the road to ascendancy, and he is having an ‘oh shit’ reaction. I just finished reading ‘Percepliquis’, and a line from this book made me think of Paran, “Sometimes the price of dreams is achieving them.” He had dreams of serving in the military and now he is realizing all the pain, suffering, and responsibility that comes with it. Anyway that is just my take on Parran. I will admit he makes my mama’s heart hurt a little for him. I remember in Gardens of the Moon, he stated that it had been two years since he had a friend. I think he just wants to belong.
Hey man crap on Kruppe and Whiskeyjack all you like but don’t you dis my Gruntle!
But seriously thank you for doing this, I’m really enjoying your reviews of one of my favourite series.
Gruntle has already moved into Top 3 in this book in just the very next chapter.
Actually we saw Draconus in the Gardens of the Moon, with Paran inside Dragnipur.
I don't know this, as I've only read the first three, but I think when people say book three is more straight forward and smoother I think they're mostly talking about the books direct plot. Like if you summed up the idea of Memories of Ice it'd basically be them taking on the Pannion Seer. I think what people forget is how overly heavy this book is with the world building and the craziness. I think this books world building makes Deadhouse Gates look easy with all it's D'ivers and path of hands stuff. I think this is the hardest book to this point when it comes to world building and just overall story elements. But as far as direct plot and main story, I would definitely say it's the least confusing. I think rereaders just forget the first time going through this book.
Keychain Tamales. That's hilarious.
In hindsight I agree memories is a bit slow. I took a little brake in the middle of reading it. But I have to say, once shit takes off, it is so memorable. I literally had an adrenaline rush reading one of the scenes near the end of the book.
The depth of feelings Malazan evokes is something no other series has had for me. Like, yeah, i'll be sad or w/e reading another book, but never this soul-sucking emptiness that I need to just sit and stare at a wall to process.
@@OrionSupergan yeah, what happened to Seren Pedac for example just left me feeling bleak. "wow, just like that? that it?" is what I thought and it was brutal because it was short and concise.
Please make this sort of video for the next book.
I plan to do it with all 10.
@@mikesbookreviews cant wait to see your opinion.
Mhybe... "my-be"? I pronounce it that way in my head as I read.
I enjoyed the Gruntle and Barghast scenes, because I'm fascinated by the two mysterious caravan masters. I'm waiting to see what they're all about.
In the very next chapter, I became a huge Gruntle fan.
I really enjoyed memories of ice just as great as deadhouse gates 💝💖
I love it
I think book 6 is where I stopped being so confused every book and it is largely using the cast and characters you have already met. That being said, books 3 and 5 are my favorites of the 7.5 I have read.
Midnight Tides best book, 100%. I'm stoked for Mike to reach it, I personally think if someone were to only read 1 Malazan book, MT would be the best book in the series to read.
@@OrionSupergan I completely agree. It works extremely well as a standalone book.
@@Alpharius That might be because it's closest to a standard book format, very light on info dumps and character inner voices, which I think is Eriksons weakest work. Also, humor in it is surprisingly dry and effective, in a way that elicits gaffors and chortles every now and then.
@@SonOfSeth the humor in book 5 is honestly great, definitely the funniest book of the ones I have read. Such a great duo.
Everything goes completely crazy around mid-book 8, in my opinion. And I loved it. But, without a cautious re-reading there is crucial storyline from book 8 to the ending that it is very hard to completely catch.
24:42 that's exactly what i was thinking!! no clue if it's true tho, they might still be trapped in the Rent
Just paused at the moment where you started to comment on Gruntle's group around the 15:30 mark: I think I totally agree here. I think Gruntle's group sections are the least interesting, especially during this first half of the book. It does certainly get much better down the road within Memories of Ice, but still stays as the least interesting storyline within the novel.
Kharkanas Trilogy is where you'll find rake and envy history.
Outstanding!
Maliwhackers made me choke on my coffee
LOL I said it off the cuff in a Weekly Update and I figured I'd add it to Malazan vids, see how it goes over.
@@mikesbookreviews it was great lol!
Rath'Urmama is a seriously underrated character