I Left a Bright HDR Patch on an LG OLED for 4 Hours - Did It Burn-In?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- We ran an experiment where we left a 10% window at full blast in HDR on an LG UltraGear 27GR95QE monitor for more than 4 hours to see if there's any OLED burn-in, and proceeded to explain the various anti-screenburn measures implemented on the monitor.
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I used to fear burn in. But I wanted to smash my old LG led as the local dimming was horrific. Got an LG OLED. I was tentative when using and would often limit my gaming and moving watching. Then I thought “fuck this I’m not being dictated to I’m gonna enjoy this to the max” 4 years later of heavy gaming, tv and movie watching and we’re fine 🥳
Great to know, do you do anything special on desktop, i like alot of shortcuts on my pc desktop, or do you just have a screensaver on all the time ? thx
@@ChrisDaytraderI don't use my tv lots for pc use, but whenever I do, I have 100-ish shortcuts on my desktop. This has never presented an issue for me. (this is a lg c1 btw) I would think the newer models are even more burn in resistant.
@@MrDalesen Thx for replying, i will only use my CX for gaming sometimes also, cheers
My lg oled got burn in.
Same, i have the Sony Bravia OLED since 2018, uses LG panel, been gaming, watching sports etc.. for 5 years now abd no signs of burn in. Score cardd would be displayed for the duration of the sport, channel branding, static HUDs from games etc... Used it normally and its fine. Most OLED owners are enthusiasts and would probably swap out their TV for the next bleeding edge tech anyway... I want VRR and 120hz 4k which my tv doesnt have, so i wouldnt be phased if it started to burn in.
Great stuff as always. It would be cool to see a brightness measurement comparison from a new OLED and then from the same OLED with many hours on it.
This is what I was thinking as well. Did the overall brightness decrease after this?
1. According to a Reddit user, RTings did burn-in tests of the LG B9 and in 11,000 hours the TVs did not lose any level of brightness (Did this involve multiple screen cleans though?) 2. Another source, TheDigitalFill, states that OLED TVs will take more than 10 years of regular use to cause any noticeable brightness reduction (Point 1 and 2 have been pulled from a Bing search) (All comments in brackets are my text, not Bing's)
What I don't know from this test is was the brightness set at max level or not. This would impact the 11,000 hours I think. Different OLED's mileage would vary also and I would also think that the brighter the OLED the shorter the lifespan of the brightness.
11,000 hours would be about 5 years if the set is on for 6 hours a day.
Have heard that running the screen clean feature on OLED's decreases the lifespan of the OLED panel.
Came across this quote from thedigitalfill "However, most OLED TVs are rated for 50,000 hours or more before the brightness drops by HALF" That would suggest that you would lose 10% brightness every 10,000 hours of usage but again there are variables that would affect this.
Absolutely no issues with brightness and sour samsung users are the only ones who spread this nonsense. Trust the manufacturers statement in this scenario: LG takes their OLED technology very seriously, they even predicted Samsung's burn-in issues just based on the specsheet alone BEFORE it released. This should tell you that they're aware of the limits and what to expect at certain brightness levels. People gave LG shit with their game mode (which btw the DTM in game mode on the G3 works perfectly now. No more raised black levels) and it turns out Samsung was just saturating their screen to artificially "enhance" the image. If you put the LG in native mode it will also saturate the colors in games. If that's something people want then you can do it.
I played on an older LG OLED for 6 years and the brightness wasn't affected in the slightest after THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of hours of use and there no no image burnin/retention at all.
Simply stated: Enjoy your TV, leave the panel protection settings on, (dimming after so much time of not using it, logo brightness), and don't worry about brightness or burnin. Let the TV handle its cleaning automatically.
Even being very careful my C8 is a total mess after 4 years of use. Gaming HUD’s are a real problem for OLEDs. My friends C9 is really bad too.
But but lies. Everyone says OLEDs doesn't get burn in. They also never use their TVs, lol. I suspect you and your friend actually have some hours on the panels.
Hence more REAL world usage. People should be able to expect to use their TV normally for 4 years without issues like this.
I have a Sony 900E LED. I have likely 25,000 hours on it and 6 years. Not a hint of issues with it. I use my TV for everything. PC and movies and TV.
@@loki76 I've used my OLED screen 12-16 hours a day as a HTPC with pixel shift and logo dimming disabled for a year. No burn in at all with the taskbar not set to auto-hide. I fully expect it to get burn-in at some point but nothing yet. I do run low-mid brightness though, which I'm guessing delays things significantly. As Rtings recently pointed out some screens are really bad at running their pixel refresh cycles and I suspect a lot of the reports of burn-in are actually something that could be solved with a simple 10 minute refresh cycle.
As a PC i would never use OLED
as a TV gaming console, i would
been using a lg cx for 3 years as computer monitor. at first I was really worried but now I couldn't care less. If there is any burn in then I never noticed it. I will probably die before this panel anyway...
why?
@@stiffeification coz he is 91
@@andyb9664you will die before your monitor/tv as well so keep that in mind
@@hmello3250 thx for that downer 😕
1 year c2 42 inch user for computer uses and no burn in to report. Oled for life!
Great video! Thanks for the professional explanation!
It would be so cool for one TV reviewer to turn on every LG burn in prevention feature to show that everything is as expected. Burn in should be a thing of the past and Rtings proved it last week in their last update 2 year TV longevity test.
I hope in 2024 that DSE will be the big topic among youtubers.
Great stuff again! Thanks! But, even after doing your cleaning, sorry to say, I'm still seeing the rectangle but on the right side.
Great stuff Vincent as always , Bring on the HDTV tv shoot out , Panasonic MZ2000 vs the A95L, and Phillips oled , s95c , And G3 . Really want to see how Phillip and Panasonic stand up to the A95L.
Me too. Although the Philips 908 is still not available, ridiculous.
The Americans have just crowned the best TV in the world when it's actually the best TV in the US. Of course I understand why but even so, without the Panasonic and the Philips it's a very watered down test imo.
@trevhib D nice one the calibrator's for the shoot out wants to import a Panasonic oled for next year , he said the best of the best should be in a shoot out.
@@michaelfoster3441That's great news, fingers crossed for that 👍
This „Gaming“ onscreen UI left a permanent burn in in my brain.
Just buy a decent Mini LED. OLED is extremely over-rated.
No one should have to baby sit their TV/Monitor and worry about burn-in.
I played Starfield on LG oled for 100 hrs and the map and gun logos are burnt into the tv
That game has an opacity slider, setting it to 50 would have helped avoid that.
I'm so paranoid about burn in, it's unreal. Firstly, gaming is my main hobby but it's waste to have a PS5 and not the TV to support it's features, I can afford the price of said TV's, but it is a case of saving and the blow does sting quite a bit.
Secondly, I'm probably the worst person in the world when it comes to "stressing" potential burn in, either my eyes are broken or I'm just an idiot but I do tend to be quite heavy when it comes to settings like brightness etc coupled with playing a lot of games with static UI for very long periods of time (I'm talking like 6-12 hours on free days on Diablo 4 with the UI at the bottom 24/7)
I'm also so bad at regular falling asleep or just leaving the TV on a static screen.
This is in no way even worth while. This is the equivalent of watching the news for 4 hours if we are impressed a tv didnt break after 4 hours thats not a good look for oled. And thats coming from someone with an oled.
Obviously LG paid you every time you said the full model number instead of “the monitor” for seo lol
Been having hdmi handshake issues with lg c2 83” Xbox seriesX LG denies the issue since February
I wonder how much full screen brightness the screen will ose after 2, 5 or 10 years. I also wonder how much longer would they last if brightness was limited to mayber 80%, hapilly this is somewhat user controllable.
Use like a LG C9 with 6000 plus hours on it and put it on a new channels for about an hour or two. Permanent burn in guaranteed.
What kind of torture is this?!?!? I will report this for cruelty to monitors…
Signed an LG C2 owner
I wonder how many people dont realize this is just a ad
@lovelorn88nick: As clearly labelled at the beginning of this video, it's sponsored by LG UltraGear.
I've been using my C2 as a monitor for over 2200 hours and i "shitpost" a lot, no burn in yet.
i have an LG e7 picture on glass. The burn in is SOO BAD! I even had the panel replaced via warranty and the burn in came back far worse to the point where I need to get a new tv
Awe man, just reading the title gave me anxiety !! Don’t ever do this folks
I have about 30k hours on a c1, still no burn-in.
Any dead pixels ? Because I encountered it after 1.5K Hours
Do you know if Samsung Display will be manufacturing 83” QD-OLED panels for Sony in 2024 or will they be still be maxed out at 77”?
That's all fine and dandy but are you saying that I need a UPS for my OLED TV in case of a power outage?
Only if you anticipate your power failures are always going to occur at precisely the moment you happen to turn the TV off. And even if you did get a power failure within 10 minutes of turning off the TV you would just make yourself a note to do the clean procedure manually once power is restored.
Hey where f are you with A95L review. Sorry Vincent just not seeing you often
Does the monitor LG OLED display an interlaced 1080i signal from a cable TV tuner via HDMI?
I have C1 and still don't get perfect black in HDR and DV scenes when streaming from Shield or PS5.
Why is that?
Can you make an update video about the alienware aw3423dwf? it seems to have fixed the issues
If you have a bright patch for more than 4 hours, please call 911
Can you do the same test with a S90c / S95C? Might be a bit expensive? A B series would also be good to see for people looking to pick up a bargain from last years model. Thanks Vince 👍
Why use your tv normally and your good! Why force burn in. It makes no sense
@@NexGenTek I was thinking of how Samsung pixel refresh works, from what I've heard there isn't a manual option?
Is there a 4k version of this monitor ?
How do you set up the screen saver to be activate after 10 mi minutes ?
Where am I 🥶
Is there any downside to using the screen/panel/image cleaning functions?
If you let the monitor do its thing, you will be fine. Organic material has finite lifespan, these methods distribute the wear evenly to eliminate burn in. Eventually organic material will get used up and monitor will be trash. I see some mixed numbers. Generally seems like 4-5 years heavy use you would see some degradation. But most people won't see that.
4 hours is not enough for a permanent burn since it's cumulative. It could leave a longer lasting temp retention. But not a burn in. That could take many hundreds of hours.
Rtings did a similar thing for 120 hours with a Logo and color boxes. They got it removed with just one "pixel refresh". So that's pretty impressive. Still it's over all cumulative. So real problems don't manifest until likely 4,000-5,000 hours unless some extreme logo/hud etc.
My LG 65B9 had a screen replacement after 1year because of burn-in, at the bottom from the subtitles. Now a year later again the same issue but it won’t be replaced under warranty. No more oled for me.
I get the need to make sponsored videos, but when that sponsored video includes actual testing and also comparisons with other brands that paint them in a negative manner I find it hard to trust the findings. I have an LGCX OLED that I've been using for three years as my main PC monitor. For the first couple years there was no sign of image retention, but it did happen after about two and a half years. You can see a faint image of Chrome toolbars if a solid color is displayed, but fortunately it's not very noticeable under normal use.
So if it took two and a half years for this to happen on an older model without me being particularly careful the testing in this video is completely useless. I've been following your channel long enough so I do trust your credibility, but this video did feel a bit disingenuous, especially by labelling your testing as a "dangerous experiment" when the chance of image retention in those conditions is practically nil.
try 24-48 hours. 4 hours, lol, and use a grey background, thats shows burn in more
Back in the days when I had a strong opinion about you and your content.. let’s say I would bet my left testical you would never ever start uploading shit like this .. I mean Comon my man.
You know to much about the stuff you are talking. That’s why you also know what waste of time this video is.. 5 hours ..burn in.. what the f??
I know, you know damn almost everybody who knows you, rtings, prad that burn in is vocabular of the peasants..
What actually is much more on point is image retention.. .
But nevermind. Sometimes you see your hero’s become villains.
Thank you for the past and things I’ve learned from you.. and gut luck for the future as soon as you get back to your roots, the professional ones, I’m happy to join.
Have a good time my hero from the past 😢
super cringe
done this myself... But I went ahead and did it for 1700ish hours. Around 12 to 15hrs per day of doing it. I did get major burn in and the pixel refreshes did nothing, the long nor short ones nor did the amount matter. Safe to say you really need to abuse these things although if you do game I can see why some would just go miniLED as HUDs tend to be in the same place and a bunch of games sadly cant remove them.
Most huds these days let you manage the opacity, which reduces the risk of burn in almost completely. But not all game devs implement that unfortunately. I think it should be a standard these days, seeing so many people playing on oled tvs.
Did you run it a peak brightness or?
Normal usage will never cause burn in
@@NexGenTekyour normal isn't everyone's normal. And when they don't explain that this is a possibility it kinda burns!
games are a lot more dynamic than people think. Even in HDR it shouldn't be an issue if you are actually playing and not just setting the controller down for days at a time. I rmember the rtigns burn in test that had call of duty playing all day never got noticable burn in
We all know that burn in cannot happen in such a short amount of time though, so the test doesn't really prove anything. Not sure what LG is trying to say here. If they wanted to prove something, the test would need to take between 400-500 hours.
True, most people own a display for several years and use it many hours per day, so I'm not sure that any short-term test will tell us anything.
Yeah but how often are these screens even ON for 400-500 hours!? If THAT'S the risky use case, then virtually NOBODY needs to worry about the risk.
@@Wobbothe3rd This is a computer monitor. I use my monitor for work, gaming, and watching videos. 40hrs/week is a standard US workweek, that's 2,000 hours if you assume two weeks of vacation. Now add on a few hours per week gaming or browsing... you could easily hit 3,000 hours per year usage.
@@nathanddrewsburn in occurs due to running the pixels at their maximum power/ability which increases the temperature, by running that test vincent subjected the monitor to absolute torture for 4 hours and showed how there are measures to fix the temporary retention. Permanent retention is going to be much more difficult or even impossible to replicate if the anti screen burn measures are properly run, as you can see from LG's results in RTINGS's test. The only reason I can think of for burn in occuring is 5 years or so later when you're likely to change the tv. Overall I'm not too concerned with oled burn in, just find the anti screen burn measures such as auto dimming and much lower brightness higher window sizes a bit, annoying. OLEDs have come a long way, if u look at LG. OLED TV manufacturers such as Sony and Samsung NEED to fix their algorithms for the anti screen burn measures and/or provide a manual way to start them to provide ease of mind for buyers imo.
@@Wobbothe3rd It's 400 hours cumulative, not in one go..
Now the golden question remains, how much, when image cleaning and pixel cleaning cycles are both engaged, do the latest LG WOLED panel brightness decrease after 10000 hours of use? So far I am disappointed that burn in tests do not measure max nits after such tests...
rtings tests does something like that.
Rtings has about 7200 hours on their LG C1 and C2 and they're both within measurement error for the brightness
Let’s see-10k hours is about 2.2 years if you leave the TV on 12 hours/day.
If Screen tech is evolving at a very fast rate, you might want a new improved panel after maybe 2.5 years anyway, no?
@@kineahora8736 My IPS ultrawide has ~12000h according to counter, and works just like first day, and I hope it will do 12000h more, and all tech doesn't improve so much, IPS just making screens faster meaning more hz, VA do slightly better colors and viewing angles and oled do more resolution, size and hz variations, so 5 years old top of the line screen is basically very close to new top of the line screen, just watch what happened in reviews 2-3 years before and you will see that things standing still.
@@kineahora8736no, I would want to buy a new one at least after 5 years, never less than that.
Video sponsored by LG... hmm I wonder the results 🤔
So because it's sponsored, does that mean this did not happen and just lied.
Then go read your rtings piece…
I have a C1 OLED and I can confirm that this "pixel refresher" feature works , you can watch RTings unbiased review on a large batch of OLED TVs regarding the same topic.
@stretchybwoy it could mean that the test is presented or set up in a way that is not useful. For example, what if the burn-in becomes permanent after 24hours, but this video doesn't say it to not present LG in a bad light?
Ever watched any video of this guy?
He is like the TV guru. He never hesitates to point out what’s wrong.
I don’t see any reason no to trust him on this one, questioning his integrity sounds like madness.
Watch CNN for 4 hours straight. The monitor will expolde
Sponsored by LG or just being helpful?…
@mildmannered1086: As clearly stated at the beginning, this video is sponsored by LG UltraGear.
@@hdtvtestSorry that I didn’t see it come up briefly, your face was more engaging and the yellow text more present visually to me, thank you for clarifying in comments
LG are still far too aggressive with ABL. 100% white dims down so much. No need for it. Is other oled panels such as those found in laptops are holding 300+ nits at 100% white.
I have this panel, love it apart from 2 things:
-unnecessary aggressive ABL & ASBL
-vertical banding observable in some near black situations.
Agreed. They should just make an easy toggle in the settings with a disclaimer.
@@XShiftryX yeah they are playing it far too safe. Web browsing and office work sux on this panel due to ABL (and to a degree the sub pixel layout for text clarity)
Interestingly the Asus PG27AQDM is even worse at 100% something like 100 nits 🫨
Wasn't there an update for that?
@@Cagefighter nope
Do samsung display next. They don't have the pixel clean
I have never noticed the pixels shifting. At all. But I know they are. On the Windows taskbar, open programs have a line under them to show that they're open programs. That line disappears quite frequently on my OLED. Never happened with my old monitors. Still doesn't happen on the old monitor that I'm using as a second screen. Neither of the old monitors were OLED, so neither shifted pixels. This one does. So I know it's doing it. I just never noticed it happening. So either I always happen to not be looking at the screen when it happens, or it's just so imperceptible that I just never see it happen. Either way, as the man said in the video, leave it on.
It only happens when you have static elements for 5 minutes, so if your scrolling or something, it simply won't pixel shift. When it happens and you're looking at the screen, you will notice.
There is a issue with lg OLED upscaling content, I'm having 40mbps broadband, there are several movies on ott when streaming in 1080p creating poor grainy images, this was never seen on my old Samsung qled and it eliminates noise well
LG C1 65" and and C2 42" owner here. My 42" C2 is used daily as a gaming monitor and I have been using it for about 1.5 years with 1850 hours of total usage. I even followed one of your guides to disable some of the screen dimming features in the service menu which supposedly increased my risk for burn-in and yet even now I have not even the slightest hint of burn-in. I just did a uniformity test it is still perfect. The story is the same with my 65" C1 in the living room with over 4000 hours of usage as well as my old 55" B7 that had 9000 hours of usage when I sold it. I feel like there is a lot of fear-mongering about OLED burn-in which used to be a problem years ago but these days only really happens in use cases involving severe abuse. With a little common sense this problem is a non-factor.
I can say the same for my LG C1 77", including TPC/GSR disable. Disabling TPC/GSR made the device so bright that I first turned to OLED brightnes down to 55, and shortly after to 45. On such a large screen used as computer monitor this is by far bright enough. It running at an average of 13 hours per day, and not the slightest burn in. Up to now it only needed two full clean cycles. Current uptime is 10542 hours, I bought it on 12th July 2021 (Service Menu UTT, since the EU models don't show the runtime in the normal menu for whatever stupid reason).
Edit: Yes, as a computer screen 99,999% of the time, since my computer is my TV, radio, video recorder etc since about 1998... No reason to change that.
More or less the same here with a C9. Initially I turned it off every few hours, but now it's on 12+ hours per day. No issues at all. Very happy.
Great to know, do you do anything special on desktop, i like alot of shortcuts on my pc desktop, or do you just have a screensaver on all the time ? thx
LG C2 42" since last X-Mas, at least 6-7 hours of use daily (gaming,yt,movies), auto dimming disabled in service menu, no issues so far.
Same here with an LG C2 42" used as a monitor, with auto dimming disabled and on for several hours a day. I don't take any measure to take care of it, i don't hide the macOS bar, leave windows in the same positions sometimes for a long time and no burn in or anything.. Unless you purposely try to burn in something on the display (like the test Vincent is doing) i feel that burn in by using the C2 as a monitor, without any particular preventive measure, is a non issue.
Is there going to be a 'Best TV of 2023' this year ?
@nonsuch9301: Yes, we're preparing for our 2023 TV shootout where the TVs are entirely masked to eliminate subconscious bias however mild.
My Alienware DWF which is a QD OLED burned in the Chrome bookmarks bar. I feel super stupid that I forgot to hide the bookmarks! Sadly pixel and panel refresh did nothing to help. At least it's hard to notice unless you're playing an isometric perspective game.
Guess I'm not buying QD OLED anytime soon. Sorry that happened.
@@christianprincipe3402 the burn ins are usually more pronounced on certain subpixels, you would need to display RGB separately and reverse burn in each colour on its own.
To be fair you should feel more "stupid" about trying to use oled as a monitor for anything other than multimedia. It will always burn in, just a matter of when. You shouldn't have to hide your bookmarks or taskbar on a normal product, especially on a premium priced one.
Why should you feel stupid using the monitor as INTENDED. You shouldn't have to go through extra lengths and jump through hoops to have a Monitor you paid a LOT of money for working.
You got about a years worth before it turned sour. That is why OLED is not end all be all technology.
@DM-rc4yu no need to feel stupid when the monitor comes with 3 year warranty that covers burn in. They can just get a replacement next day.
"Sponsored by LG" ... no need to even finish the video.
*So does pixel cleaning make the panel dimmer over time?*
this must be the logic consequence
Maybe a bit, but even with RTings first long term burn in test, runnings the TV's for 20h a day, letting them run their compensation cycles as scheduled, no meaningful brightness drop was noted.
They can go the other way round as well: Adjust the current flowing through those pixels. And then the affected pixel get 0,5% more voltage (pure guesswork) to compensate and hit the expected current draw again.
That's why these panels are soo "dim". It's because they're actually capable of 3000 nits, but they just set it to 800 nits max so that when they need to do voltage adjustments, it compensates for the brightness loss. So after a year, some pixels on your screen might be running the voltage that would deliver 2000nits if it was new and allowed to run that high, but since the pixels are worn out, they will only give 800 nits.
I'm looking forward to the RTINGS "100 TV Accelerated Longevity And Burn-In Test" results. It is a much more inclusive and detailed test over a much longer period of time with more data.
That testing method they are doing is flawed in lot of ways. Sure it indicates some stuff, but dont take it as some "super proof".
warranty is not a point to advert OLED.
1) regional based terms
2) waste of time for consumer in case of troubles
3) always can be rejected or put on hold RMA process due to items shortage
Best Buy 5 year protection plan is pretty nice. Covers burn in and they usually just replace the TV/Monitor with the newest model. Peace of mind for me.
OLED TV Monitor for PC Windows / games: To appeal for a 5-year guarantee? I contacted LG support to find out about the OLED TV burn-in. We regret to say that this use falls into the category of unusual use. If, for example, still images are regularly displayed on a television set, burn-in may indeed occur. The TV is primarily intended for normal home use, such as watching films, playing games, etc. LG Customer Support
All OLED displays will experience burn-in to a certain degree. Even my 13 pro max display has noticeable burn in at the lowest brightness in a a dark room from static elements such as the top icons and icons from RUclips shorts. This isn’t noticeable in day to day use or in non full gray dimmed scenes, but it shows to me that no OLED is free from burn-in.
Hey HDTVTEST. Are 8k tvs better for movies. I heard that real 4k 4096 × 2160 movies don’t really fit on UHD 3840 × 2160 tvs. And there is plenty of resolution in 8k to fit those 4k movies. Is there any truth to any of this?
I don't think OLED is the best display yet. The controls are complicated.
Imagine spending big money on an oled display that has to be babysitted and being careful not to use it too much and watch out for static images, no Thanks You would think with today's technology. This would not be an issue anymore. I'll stick with my q led tv
Don`t do that Vincent. You should know better. LG monitors has lower full screen brightness compared to QD-Oled (LG Oleds are 200 nit and QD-Oleds are 450 nits) and your test doesn't include a QD-Oled to compare anyway. ( Don`t even mention Rthings, their testing methodology is a joke any doesn't give any use full information).
your test is brighter to show burn in , then darker to hide it , but who knows what you recorded first and what you did . I red a paper about Burn in , and there is no such thing as recovering burn in. I have a LED light in my Garage , its 5 years old , brightness dropped a lot . There is no way to get that brightness back . The only thing it can be done is to limit the panel output from factory , and they do that , and then use the back up power to deal with Burn in .After that you get dimmer and dimmer image , there is no recovery .
OLED TVs are trash they need to stop making them. Every one i know has a OLED has problem with them. (especially people that play video games) Just buy a Sony X90L LED or the ones above like X930 or X95. Not only do you have a better picture, you don’t have to worry about your TV breaking.
I'm still waiting for the 95l settings set up for gaming ps5 calibration
This LG monitor will be my first OLED for gaming, im still worried about burn in but at least this video has me less worried
Better be worried about extreme vertical banding in grey images...
I'll probably sent it back and try Another Unit, if it has the same issue, no oled for Me then.
Only one vertical line on the left is the Problem ONLY ONE🥹😭
Garbage, unacceptable. Even with the cleaning process. I will buy oled when burn in is resolved. I won’t risk a thousand dollars in this tech. It’s a beta if you ask me. Sorry.
So if I understand, the compensation cycles kinda boost the deteriorated pixels so that they're not visible ? Damage is not reversed, it's still there. It's just not visible, until compensation cannot boost anymore and burn-in is visible.
bingo
So the question then becomes is it cumulative because if so you'd have to reach a point where you have a very uneven screen in terms of voltages with significant temperature variations (and higher ones at that).
Now do it with a full brightness full saturation red window
Cleaning lowers the brightness. So its getting dimmer by time.
What concerns me is let's say you routinely (like I do) watch content that is either in 4:3 aspect ratio (classic 40s and 50s movies) and material in 1.85:1 to 2.4:1 aspect ratio. In other words, black bars 100% of the time. So I understand that the 4 hour cycle would compensate for that but presumably this means it needs to increase the voltage to the "dark" areas or at the very least, create a voltage differential between the "light" and "dark" areas of the screen. That is fine, but what happens when this is a daily ocurrance? Don't you eventually reach a point where the differences in voltages to the pixels across the screen become so diverse that the system can no longer compensate or otherwise the unit just ends up running too hot to keep those chronically darkened pixels at the same output as the others? In other words, it seems to me that every time you run these maintenance algorithms, there is still an ongoing degradation in those pixels - it is just that the system keeps on compensating until as mentioned - it either cannot anymore or the unit runs too hot.
Someone commented elsewhere that a better strategy to cope with this specific issue is to NOT turn the TV off immediately after displaying this content. Instead run one of the various full screen pixel burn-in videos widely available then go to a full black screen for say, 15 minutes to let every pixel on the screen cool down to room temperature. You THEN turn off the TV. I have no idea whether this works or is better but it makes sense.
I was told the CNN red logo will not go away even with screen savor. Try CNN for 4 hours the sane way you did with the white block
Freeze the logo
Why you teasing us man? Where's the A95L video?
Sounds like I'll carry on as usual with my 65' G3. Pixel Shift on, logo luminance off.
Compared to LG's TV OLED versus the Ultragear Monitors the user interface is ugly. LG should improve on that.
i have an sony oled tv for 7 years now. its one of the first generations of oled which can get burn in easily. i use it with my computer, watching videos and for gaming. everyday many hours because i dont have a reallife. still after 7 years there is no burn in. so with the new techs and safety system ín new oleds, you really have nothing to fear when you use it normal.
thanks bro, today got my first oled qd oled aw34dwf
@@Criptooooo i have the samsung odyssey g8 oled.
I have soooo many televisions and monitors of all brands and pricing and I’ve learned one thing; There is no such thing as a great tv. They all suck in they’re very specific ways. TVs and monitors are expensive garbage.
Where is the Sony A95L? Come oooon!
LG C1 here with a little more than 6500hrs on it and it's still the same as i bought it new in 2021 i did a couple of burn in tests gray uniformity tests ect ect, and no burn in signs and still a clean panel!
@elcactuar3354 Nope but hee fk them i know it better! 😅
Eh, there's still some technologies to wait for like phosphorescent blue and eLEAP before I consider an OLED monitor.
a big method for preventing burn in that most burn in test dont include is.
The standby pixel refreshing the panel does after its been tuned off. No one watches their display 24 7
My biggest fear of spending close to a 1000$ for a OLED monitor.
Where is the Sony A95L review? he did unboxing 12 days ago. wonder if he had a bad panel or something went wrong?
I like my static wallpaper and icons no oled for me until black ips or microled /mini led / tandem oled becomes more common at human prices in the future.
Vincent may I ask, do the oled screens on phones also do an image cleaning cycle?
Good question
Fine now LG need to make a 32" 4K curved with latest inputs standard and I can buy it.
Just leave a bright red patch on the screen and you will be surprised.
Basically what the “screen cleaning” algo is doing is detecting damaged pixels and then driving them with higher current than the rest of the panel so that the damage isn’t noticeable.
OLEDs have limited lifespan just alike all LEDs and these algos just put makeup on the wear & tear.
So the way I think of it is: how long will the panel be OK before the damage is too great for decent viewing? And is this time frame long enough that you will want to replace the display anyway because tech advances have made a new screen a better choice even over an undamaged panel? And also factor in how much the panel costs.
And the main reason why we don't have better tech is because government energy efficiency targets. We could make flat screen CRT's right now, but we don't, because they'd use 200w instead of 100w, and governments won't allow them to go to market. ALL of it is driven by climate propaganda, and most people don't realize that governments heavily control what technology we're allowed access to or even to develop, because of power usage. That's why LCD and OLED ever became a thing in the first place, even though they are inferior to 50 year old technology. The problem with CRT's was merely the coating used for black, and the pixel density for resolution. With modern technology, that is all trivial now. The irony now though is OLED's actually use more power than CRT's used to. Old CRT's used to use ~50w of power, and now OLED's use over 100w of power.
Nice to know that LG has included so many measures to prevent burn in.
But OLED is still not for every single person/use.
Yeah unfortunately some people just don't want the best technology available so OLED isn't for them.
@@RH-nk7eo It really isn't suited to showing static elements for many hours a day and will eventually cause burn-in. Look at RTINGS burn-in test if you don't believe me. The three OLED monitors in the test show hints of permanent burn-in after just 4 months, though the test is very stressful at 20 hours/day and so represents more than 4 months of even heavy usage.
(For the record I have an OLED TV, but I don't feel it's entirely ready for desktop usage with the taskbar always showing and so on.)
@@RH-nk7eoWhat a stupid comment. Maybe they use their TVs more and hence WOULD get burn in and are not as stupid as to spend thousands on shit that is broken in just a few years. Many people aren't suckers like some.
@@loki76you would die on a hill defending shitty LED tv's wouldn't you? I have had a LG CX since release back in 2020, and used the tv for hours, every day, not a single hint of burn in, dirty screen effects on those fugly LED's though, yuck!
The resilience of WOLED makes me hesitant to get a QD OLED next year when 4k 32 240hz options become available. I want the higher color volume of QD but definitely dont want to get burn in within a year.
The LG 27 uses MLA to also boost brightness,that means the pixels receive very low voltage compared to the qd,and also lower heat ,I suppose that significantly make its lifespan longer.
Palmer, I approve of your choice of champagne. Very priceworthy.
experiment step 2: leave it for as long as it takes to actually burn in
айфон 13. белая палка в низу каждый день выгорает. но если дать телефону полежать без дела, и сразу включить серый фон то все чисто. выгорание оледа давно уже не проблема, проблема в том что экраны сука грязные с завода , бандинг, дсе, понижение яркости в хдр вот истиный враг оледа
All you OLED users Baby your TV's
4 hours is nothing, if you dont have cheap oled then 4 hours do no damage
Vincent, at Pioneer, back in the good ol' PDP days, we referred to the pixel shift option as "just shifting the problem around." 😅 On a related note, did you ever try the screen cleaning option in our final gen of pro-sumer monitors?
I mean if ABL kicked in you have no burn in and will not get it either