Thanks for the feedback on the overhead run. It's 100% recomended to run a tension rope to support the fiber when overhead in the rare case that you attempt this! We've used a thin metal wire in place now although this is just a temporary setup until it's underground! 👊 Get 4 months extra on a 2 year plan here: nordvpn.com/techflow. It’s risk free with Nord’s 30 day money-back guarantee!
Hey id love to have a one on one conversation if possible about WiFi , I see all these things about how to get better speed but isn’t your speed capped by your isp ?
Might be worth pointing out that not all transceivers will work with all switches. Some you need vendor specific modules to work with ie Cisco. Also multi mode is only good to about 1800 feet at which point you’d need to use single mode
For short runs like this < 100 m. Cat 6a or Cat8 cabling is also an option. Can be obtained in weatherproofed sheathing. Both can do 10 gig to 100 m. There is lots of options.
I got a new house put behind my parents property almost 2 years ago. I Ran SingleMode Fiber (650ft) armored from my parents house to my new house, I just threw it in while the waterlines where being trenched. First started out with just gigabit fiber to ethernet converters. But recently I changed out the media converters for a 10G SFP+ switch at my parents and a 10G SFP+ module for my UDM Pro at my house. A 10G link between the houses on one of the strands. Mostly so I could get 2Gbps speeds when the ISP rolls it out.
I dont know how it is in the UK, but we putting all of the cables in "tubes" in the ground - so the cable will survive. This is even if it is a cable intended for outdoor use, with a lot of paste between the cable and the plastic.
@@willmitchell255 we all learn as we go, give the guy a break he's pretty entertaining even if he doesn't get everything 100% right. At least he's listening and taking feedback.
Great video! 10GbE links to other parts of a property are always great. Assuming you'll eventually move that fiber underground, I would recommend the obvious and have it put in some kind of conduit or pipe with a cap that provides a narrow, removable opening at both ends. You get the added protection from the elements/bugs, and you allow yourself to run new cables in the future, or replace the one(s) already in there without having to dig it up.
Test the real speed between a pc in a building with the "Open Speed Test" server and another one access the browser in the other building, to test the speed of the optical fiber in your local network. Hi from Brazil!
Plenty of companies supply 10gigabit fibre to the property already. Also you need to get yourself some cleaning pens and clean the ferrules on the cable and the sfp ports. If you don't and you have dirt on the connector and you don't clean it properly, you may have many issues.
Even though the fibres have end caps protecting the ferrule, they’re mainly designed to prevent micro damage/scratches on the ferrule. Fibres should always be scoped and cleaned for transmission efficiency. Tbh the distance it’s covering it shouldn’t matter but just thought I’d let you know for the future.
@@OH2023-cj9if I worked for a Boss owner of the company...helped work and monitor construction of his wife's horse barn. Then was told to contact my direct boss if the wife was talking to any contractors. They were up to like $200k in change orders. She didn't understand when you change anything that late it's really expensive really fast. Last number I heard was that barn was over $900k USD
@JaredVititoe thanks for that, I couldn't be bothered to google a list of them I just knew sfp28 existed so I wouldn't look too stupid while correcting somone.
I have single mode fiber 500' from my home to my out building ariel and it works great. I get the full 1Gbps link over the transceiver I chose as that particular building won't require even half that speed lol. I plan on going through conduit at some point.
I don’t see what the problem is with Ethernet cable? Cat 6/6a are 10G capable, more durable and easier to use. More then adequate for home use and then some.
He kinda glossed over it in the video, but ethernet cables contain copper which conducts electricity. So basically if lightning strikes close enough to the cable, or something happens to the equipment at one end it could carry electricity to the end and damage the switches/other equipment on both ends. Fiber doesn't have that issue as it is completely non-conductive. Not to mention that Cat6a has a 100 meter max distance for 10G, Cat6 is only a max distance of like 55 meters. Depending on how you need to make your run you might need to exceed that even when the two devices are closer than 100 meters. So basically the way he ran it (overhead rather than underground) means you really don't want to use ethernet if you can help it, and since he said he needed about 50m to run direct like that, I imagine that he would need close to if not more than 100 meters to make it around all possible turns and such to get down to the ground, across, and back up to the network equipment in the other building. And as he mentioned a lot, pricing can workout in favor of fiber over ethernet.
@@Col_Crunch thanks for detailed clarity Crunch While I agree, In his particular use scenario (suspended and exposed outdoors) fibre sounds like a better option For most people running cables indoors I’m still confident Ethernet would be a better fit. Most won’t be approaching, let alone running over 100m in a single cable length at home 🏠
Yes, two buildings connected the fiber (so far) seems to be great. It's been running for around 2 months already and it's not been an issue. Really happy with it. If I were to run 10gbps to the top floor for example, ethernet is easier for sure.
Home broadband at that speed is closer than you think. My current ISP in the UK already offer 8gbps consumer packages. Business broadband packages offer even higher.
@@giannisd961 Why does everyone assume that fast local speeds must also equal fast WAN? File transfer between systems locally at faster than 1 Gbps is just.. faster.
Hi! You asked the question if 10gbit internet will be available for residential use. Here in NL, 8gbit internet is available in most residential areas. Not cheap, at 70 euros per month. But it does work :-)
laughing from Germany... I'm paying 60 Euros/month for 1000/50 - but it's Vodafone Cable so it's not that reliable.. and the upload is miserable for todays standards...
From Italy with my 30€/month so called 2.5Gb/s but in reality is between 1-1.5gb/s. And this is quite recently, before we had like all the country VDSL with under 200Mb/s.
@ZippyDooDa435 yes I'm aware of that but using both products myself i was wondering if Alex had any issues, insights etc to vlan setup across these two manufacturers
"as you can see...." .... he doesn't show the tablet so we cannot actually see... did you REALLY run the fiber cable like that from building to building? seriously? come on Alex... you are better than this
Hey Alex, i have issue with UniFi App 10.10.0 on android that it wont open Security aka Firewall menu and also the broadcasting APs on any WiFi. I oppened issue and The support team asked if on this is an issue also on iOS UniFi App. You have Apple gear, and use UniFi a lot, so i ask you. I self hoast latest Unifi network 8.0.7. But the issue persisted from 7.5. On WebUI all settings work fine, so i cant blame my setup😅.
SFP/SFP+ transceivers can have multiple connector types, eg in the video he uses a LC/LC cable, but you could have a LC/SC cable, and plug the one end into a transceiver that receives a SC connector. It's not super common but it's possible. SC connector is much wider than LC so generally you'll see a SFP transceiver that accepts an LC connector, then a LC to SC cable, and then a SC/SC connector. This allows you to take a SC cable (eg from FTTH) and convert it to a LC connector to go into a transceiver with LC.
The question i like to ask can you transmit your wireless Internet from your dads house to your new property?. On future Internet EE broadband is offering 1.6gb Internet. I am aware Newark council have been working to bring City Fibre to the area in 2024 with Internet speeds of 2.5gb.
Hi Alex. I live in Scotland though and I live in a flat so I don’t think I need a network and I recently got 1GIG. Would you be able to install one for me? Colin,
The whire switch has 2.5gig ethernet ports, bit has SFP+ for 10gig, whats the point when the ethernet ports only provide upto 2.5? Great future proof though unless im being dumb
Why dont you run double fibers ? Thats what i do. I have a Unifi USW Aggregation switch, from there i pull two fibers to each distribution switch. That way you have redundancy. The UDM pro cannot do link aggregation, but the USW Aggregation can.. For me it sounds like a better solution. Its almost the same work to run double fibers as one in my experience.. I would possibly keep the radio link connected, in case of problem with the fiber. Unfortuanatly you cannot do LACP with a GB and a 10GB link, unless its changed since last time i looked a few years back.. You also talked about NVME NAS.. You can easy peeak out 10GB ethernet, If you edit a video in your studio and the NVME NAS is in the main building you would have a bottle neck (depending on how you configure the NAS) i am talking iSCSI with multiple targets. Just idea, thanks for the video
You could also just use bidirectional optics and each link would go over a single fiber, therefore with the existing 2 fiber cable he has he could do 20Gbps. However seeing at that Alta switch only has 2 x 10G and he needs one downstairs it's not a great candidate for that set up.
I can’t take you legit when you’re promoting this company……….. you’re saying you’re replacing all your ubiquity stuff with their products I don’t believe you…….. …… they are very good company…… set going to the point acting like they’re better than ubiquity is far from the truth What I mean by that, they have not got the inter structure, and the experience like ubiquity has I am conflicted are you saying this because you believe in the company or just because you get a big paycheck from them for promoting their products
How come for at least the connection from the loft to the office you didn't just use cat 6E cables, that should be much cheaper and very much capable of taking 10 gbps over the distances you're doing.
With SFP+ being the only way to connect those two switches at 10Gbps, he'd either need to run a fibre cable or buy 10Gbit SFP+ to RJ45 converter modules to run ethernet cabling instead. The simpler fibre cable is much cheaper than those converters!
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Thanks for the feedback on the overhead run. It's 100% recomended to run a tension rope to support the fiber when overhead in the rare case that you attempt this! We've used a thin metal wire in place now although this is just a temporary setup until it's underground! 👊 Get 4 months extra on a 2 year plan here: nordvpn.com/techflow. It’s risk free with Nord’s 30 day money-back guarantee!
or the use of a fiber optic ''drop'' that can support iteself would be better and more reliable
Hey id love to have a one on one conversation if possible about WiFi , I see all these things about how to get better speed but isn’t your speed capped by your isp ?
Is it possible to be your own isp ?
I'm sure you will, just make sure when it's underground it's protected in some kind of conduit!
Might be worth pointing out that not all transceivers will work with all switches. Some you need vendor specific modules to work with ie Cisco. Also multi mode is only good to about 1800 feet at which point you’d need to use single mode
While true... the cable he bought was 100M, which is 6 times shorter than 1800 feet, lol
For short runs like this < 100 m. Cat 6a or Cat8 cabling is also an option. Can be obtained in weatherproofed sheathing. Both can do 10 gig to 100 m.
There is lots of options.
I got a new house put behind my parents property almost 2 years ago. I Ran SingleMode Fiber (650ft) armored from my parents house to my new house, I just threw it in while the waterlines where being trenched. First started out with just gigabit fiber to ethernet converters. But recently I changed out the media converters for a 10G SFP+ switch at my parents and a 10G SFP+ module for my UDM Pro at my house. A 10G link between the houses on one of the strands. Mostly so I could get 2Gbps speeds when the ISP rolls it out.
That fibre cable won't be able to support its own weight, you may want to run a metal line from each building and attach the fibre cable to it.
This guy hasn't got a clue practically
But it's so entertaining to watch 😂
Weve just been out and installed a tenstion support, noted its got a metal jacket.
I dont know how it is in the UK, but we putting all of the cables in "tubes" in the ground - so the cable will survive. This is even if it is a cable intended for outdoor use, with a lot of paste between the cable and the plastic.
@@willmitchell255 we all learn as we go, give the guy a break he's pretty entertaining even if he doesn't get everything 100% right. At least he's listening and taking feedback.
Great video! 10GbE links to other parts of a property are always great.
Assuming you'll eventually move that fiber underground, I would recommend the obvious and have it put in some kind of conduit or pipe with a cap that provides a narrow, removable opening at both ends.
You get the added protection from the elements/bugs, and you allow yourself to run new cables in the future, or replace the one(s) already in there without having to dig it up.
Your network videos are my favorites. Glad you had fun as I did watching. Cheers!
You need to get a Catenary wire for that fibre run, it will snap over time!
All these holes in the house are very good for ventilation!
Test the real speed between a pc in a building with the "Open Speed Test" server and another one access the browser in the other building, to test the speed of the optical fiber in your local network. Hi from Brazil!
Plenty of companies supply 10gigabit fibre to the property already. Also you need to get yourself some cleaning pens and clean the ferrules on the cable and the sfp ports. If you don't and you have dirt on the connector and you don't clean it properly, you may have many issues.
Not where he is and many can't realistically afford the 10G internet. I can't even get Fiber
Even though the fibres have end caps protecting the ferrule, they’re mainly designed to prevent micro damage/scratches on the ferrule. Fibres should always be scoped and cleaned for transmission efficiency. Tbh the distance it’s covering it shouldn’t matter but just thought I’d let you know for the future.
Yes, we all have outbuildings in our garden. Duh.
I fitted a TV with jacuzzi for the 12 horses in my 5 acre stable in the garden.
@@OH2023-cj9if I worked for a Boss owner of the company...helped work and monitor construction of his wife's horse barn. Then was told to contact my direct boss if the wife was talking to any contractors. They were up to like $200k in change orders. She didn't understand when you change anything that late it's really expensive really fast. Last number I heard was that barn was over $900k USD
Been watching techflow for 6years now, wow
Hi Alex,
Use iperf to do a speed test within your LAN network
Came here to comment this
Brill idea!
There are many more standards for SFP than just SFP and SFP+ for example SFP28.
@JaredVititoe thanks for that, I couldn't be bothered to google a list of them I just knew sfp28 existed so I wouldn't look too stupid while correcting somone.
I've got 10 gig at home in Spain for 25 euro per month lol
I have single mode fiber 500' from my home to my out building ariel and it works great. I get the full 1Gbps link over the transceiver I chose as that particular building won't require even half that speed lol.
I plan on going through conduit at some point.
Please build a Rack! You need a rack, you do an amazing job building them!
I love how you cleaned them fibres 🥴
Great video Alex!
Alta over Ubiquity or Ubity over Alta?
I don’t see what the problem is with Ethernet cable? Cat 6/6a are 10G capable, more durable and easier to use. More then adequate for home use and then some.
He kinda glossed over it in the video, but ethernet cables contain copper which conducts electricity. So basically if lightning strikes close enough to the cable, or something happens to the equipment at one end it could carry electricity to the end and damage the switches/other equipment on both ends. Fiber doesn't have that issue as it is completely non-conductive. Not to mention that Cat6a has a 100 meter max distance for 10G, Cat6 is only a max distance of like 55 meters. Depending on how you need to make your run you might need to exceed that even when the two devices are closer than 100 meters.
So basically the way he ran it (overhead rather than underground) means you really don't want to use ethernet if you can help it, and since he said he needed about 50m to run direct like that, I imagine that he would need close to if not more than 100 meters to make it around all possible turns and such to get down to the ground, across, and back up to the network equipment in the other building.
And as he mentioned a lot, pricing can workout in favor of fiber over ethernet.
@@Col_Crunch thanks for detailed clarity Crunch
While I agree, In his particular use scenario (suspended and exposed outdoors) fibre sounds like a better option
For most people running cables indoors I’m still confident Ethernet would be a better fit. Most won’t be approaching, let alone running over 100m in a single cable length at home 🏠
@@mattburgon8312 Oh, I completely agree with you, but the entire topic of the video is connecting 2 separate buildings after all.
Yes, two buildings connected the fiber (so far) seems to be great. It's been running for around 2 months already and it's not been an issue. Really happy with it. If I were to run 10gbps to the top floor for example, ethernet is easier for sure.
@@Col_Crunchthank you so much for explaining 🙏🏽
Home broadband at that speed is closer than you think. My current ISP in the UK already offer 8gbps consumer packages. Business broadband packages offer even higher.
That’s *MENTAL!*
Single mode is actually much cheaper than om3 or om4 as well.
Also Sfp won't run 10 gig it needs to be sfp+ spec
Not me already chilling with 4Gbps fibre home broadband
tf are you downloading and uploading to need more than 1 or 2.5 gig ?
@@giannisd961 It's not about what you actually use it for, it's just to imagine what you could use it for 😂
@@giannisd961 Why does everyone assume that fast local speeds must also equal fast WAN? File transfer between systems locally at faster than 1 Gbps is just.. faster.
Hi! You asked the question if 10gbit internet will be available for residential use. Here in NL, 8gbit internet is available in most residential areas. Not cheap, at 70 euros per month. But it does work :-)
What a crazy price. 10G is €25 here in Spain
@@Tom-sg4iv In the UK 1Gig is only recently becoming available and we are paying £35-60 / month. (40-70€)
laughing from Germany... I'm paying 60 Euros/month for 1000/50 - but it's Vodafone Cable so it's not that reliable.. and the upload is miserable for todays standards...
From Italy with my 30€/month so called 2.5Gb/s but in reality is between 1-1.5gb/s. And this is quite recently, before we had like all the country VDSL with under 200Mb/s.
good go Alex
So I am just watching today and someone may have already commented but CABLE MANAGEMENT sorry it was bothering like it matters to anyone 😂😂😂
I got 10 gig here in USA $79 a month
Good to see another upload from you
Assuming you set the same vlans on alta labs switch to match those of unifi switches to make all vlans work?
Yes, VLAN is a 802.1Q spec so both switches implement it and therefore are interoperable
@ZippyDooDa435 yes I'm aware of that but using both products myself i was wondering if Alex had any issues, insights etc to vlan setup across these two manufacturers
"as you can see...." .... he doesn't show the tablet so we cannot actually see...
did you REALLY run the fiber cable like that from building to building? seriously?
come on Alex... you are better than this
As an answer to the 10 gbit/s as home internet, it's already here. Do we need it? Not really but we have it anyway haha.
Whats the speed test website?
Hey Alex, i have issue with UniFi App 10.10.0 on android that it wont open Security aka Firewall menu and also the broadcasting APs on any WiFi.
I oppened issue and The support team asked if on this is an issue also on iOS UniFi App. You have Apple gear, and use UniFi a lot, so i ask you.
I self hoast latest Unifi network 8.0.7. But the issue persisted from 7.5. On WebUI all settings work fine, so i cant blame my setup😅.
is there any specific sfp for sc? fth connector single mode?
SFP/SFP+ transceivers can have multiple connector types, eg in the video he uses a LC/LC cable, but you could have a LC/SC cable, and plug the one end into a transceiver that receives a SC connector. It's not super common but it's possible. SC connector is much wider than LC so generally you'll see a SFP transceiver that accepts an LC connector, then a LC to SC cable, and then a SC/SC connector. This allows you to take a SC cable (eg from FTTH) and convert it to a LC connector to go into a transceiver with LC.
My home internet is only 50Mbps dammit
The question i like to ask can you transmit your wireless Internet from your dads house to your new property?. On future Internet EE broadband is offering 1.6gb Internet. I am aware Newark council have been working to bring City Fibre to the area in 2024 with Internet speeds of 2.5gb.
Hi Alex. I live in Scotland though and I live in a flat so I don’t think I need a network and I recently got 1GIG. Would you be able to install one for me? Colin,
The whire switch has 2.5gig ethernet ports, bit has SFP+ for 10gig, whats the point when the ethernet ports only provide upto 2.5? Great future proof though unless im being dumb
because each port can provide 2.5... so if you connect 4 2.5gig ports you can saturate a 10gig link
@@Lollozerotre now that makes sense, thanks
Why dont you run double fibers ? Thats what i do. I have a Unifi USW Aggregation switch, from there i pull two fibers to each distribution switch. That way you have redundancy. The UDM pro cannot do link aggregation, but the USW Aggregation can.. For me it sounds like a better solution. Its almost the same work to run double fibers as one in my experience.. I would possibly keep the radio link connected, in case of problem with the fiber. Unfortuanatly you cannot do LACP with a GB and a 10GB link, unless its changed since last time i looked a few years back.. You also talked about NVME NAS.. You can easy peeak out 10GB ethernet, If you edit a video in your studio and the NVME NAS is in the main building you would have a bottle neck (depending on how you configure the NAS) i am talking iSCSI with multiple targets.
Just idea, thanks for the video
You could also just use bidirectional optics and each link would go over a single fiber, therefore with the existing 2 fiber cable he has he could do 20Gbps. However seeing at that Alta switch only has 2 x 10G and he needs one downstairs it's not a great candidate for that set up.
I can’t take you legit when you’re promoting this company……….. you’re saying you’re replacing all your ubiquity stuff with their products I don’t believe you……..
…… they are very good company…… set going to the point acting like they’re better than ubiquity is far from the truth
What I mean by that, they have not got the inter structure, and the experience like ubiquity has
I am conflicted are you saying this because you believe in the company or just because you get a big paycheck from them for promoting their products
Can I run fiber in my house off of broadband cable to future proof my home?
Sure but copper can do 10G too
Be ok if I could get more than 40mbps into the house from the provider, perks of living out of town 😩
🎉🎉
How come for at least the connection from the loft to the office you didn't just use cat 6E cables, that should be much cheaper and very much capable of taking 10 gbps over the distances you're doing.
With SFP+ being the only way to connect those two switches at 10Gbps, he'd either need to run a fibre cable or buy 10Gbit SFP+ to RJ45 converter modules to run ethernet cabling instead. The simpler fibre cable is much cheaper than those converters!
Great stuff
you forgot to talk about the sfp+ ports that are 25G, 40G, 100G, and 400G just so people know that they exist
Those aren't sfp+. Those are sfp28, qsfp, etc.
@@pietvanerik9505 I was ready to write that comment, thank you xD
Let's not forget CSFP!
Hello 🎉
Not the first🤌
nice
Nearly first lol
You should remind people that you need an ofcom EHF license to install 60ghz.
Hi
I would like to replace my smart hub 2 bt router with a wifi 6 router. Do you recommend any routers?
Thanks