I think the problem is that there is a lack of say from the populace and, depending on the government type, the parliamentary system for these wars. Most of these games always have the player get the final say in starting wars. Like I don't think the population or some members of the government would want to approve a war in some other part of the world or something like that. I hope you get where I'm getting from lol
I caught a few streams and I was always pulling for college. Gotta get more people who aren't so risk adverse on the majors. 70 years of snoozefest watch line go up before something happens is just boring as fuck to watch lol. The last like 20 years though?! Oh hell yea. Swimmy is the only one I've seen on a major who has a pair but swiminomics just makes his economy explodes the moment he tries to fight a war.
Honestly compare this snoozefest of a campaign to the Epic showdowns in Spudgun's campaigns. The American bloodbath is just full of opportunists fucking over each other. And the drama is intense. Nothing against College. He was stuck with retards. He is a victim.
I mean... if the game had a bit more intervention, maybe... IRL the UK allowed Japan to go on China and take Korea, because they wanted to prevent the russians taking it over.
Everytime Jake and Bo team up its like the Super Fun Police strikes. Shout-out that one Vicky 2 game where Jake and Bo gameruined ISP by preventing Swimmy from helping him out in the middle of a civil war
Shout out to Jake for rigging a Vic 3 game so all the people around him let him form Germany in the 1840s then getting so mad at the UK for calling it out he organises a war of Russia, France, and Germany to liberate India.
While it's definitely not very fun from a gemeplay perspective, European colonisers all agreeing that Japan is not allowed to have things is pretty historical. There was that one time where European powers forced Japan to return some land they took off China, only for Russia to come in immediately and seize it for themselves.
he hates it because he can't understand it. when he tried to implement it like in his recent game as Germany, he fails completely, unlike swimmy who doesn't lose
Yeah, the UK was the biggest "status quo andy" of the 19th century. Why do people think the Ottoman Empire was still (barely) alive in the 20th century?
Bengal owning 45% of your GDP at the end was quite the twist lol. All that build up about how India is boosting the shit out of GB and you forgot about *why*
For extra context, Spain got the Kongo cause they agreed to give it to the Swedish and Golden was able to build that super fleet because literally the entire world was bankrolling its construction.
Great Powers in Vicky 3 function like actual Great Powers. When I play, I always try to suck up to the Great Powers so that they won't ruin my games. You can't afford to ignore them.
I think the comment about the Vicky 3 war system just strikes so true for me. It is one of those massive problems that I can't ignore when playing the game. Everything else is good, but just aht fucking war system. It drives me nuts. Why paradox thought it was a good idea to make it like that, I have no fucking clue.
Petty spite. Legitimately. They got roasted for their mobile game war system from the very second they announced it in the dev diaries before release. Then it was garbage like everyone knew it would be and they've been seething ever since
@@Spessanon I remember I was interested in it before the game came out. But when I saw people play it, I just saw how frustrated it made people. They must have play tested it, and realised how shit it was.
@@theredsoldier26 personally I am fucking tired of army micromanagement, especially in mp. Like in EU IV multiplayer game you have fronts with millions of soldiers like it's the first world war, but it's year 1550. So in the essence, the idea not to do another micromanagement hell out of the war system was good, the implementation of such an idea is another question
@TheKatons if you don't want to control your armies, this is what you're going to get. With how simple war is, could easily have had a hoi4 style frontlines system for the armies so you never had to micro but anti-micro players would still complain
To be fair to the Spain-player: King Amadeo I of Spain quit after 3 years and claimed the spanish were ungovernable. He was of the de Savoia Dynasty by the way
Love this style of MP video, definitely think you should do more along side your SP campaigns. Although I find having text appear all at once easier to read that it gradually coming on screen, especially when there’s a lot of information happening at once
@@Ryuko-T72 Lmao i still remember how reddit was all "this is actually better!!!!" full cope mode, and the moment the game dropped everyone just realised how trash the idea was.
@@tioseba7 It's especially funny as no redditor actually wanted this before the changes were announced. The most you could've seen was an AI automation for the front lines like in HOI3 and HOI4. They quite literally gaslit themselves into thinking that's what they actually wanted all along lol.
"War in vic 3 is done so bad, no one what to do it" Man yeah. I straight up refuse to play it until it gets a rework... which will be when apes retake the world
But that would first require them to acknowledge that their whole idea was flawed from the start, instead of just the execution. I dunno if Wiz has enough humility for that...
It's funny to see how literally nobody wanted player wars and when someone actually plays MP the way it is supposed to be played, everyone jumps on them for it.
This is irl aswell just look what happend to germany twice. In games its even worse as factors like combat strenght etc are usually much clearer and easier
Just watching this was pretty infuriating, I can't imagine how you must have felt after already doing nothing for the majority of the game due to your starting position...
@@blakedake19just make the military more engaging for the player, cause you can literally see in the video no one wants to go to war because the mechanics are awful
13:44 So the main reason you couldn’t sit on the Qing capital to tick out the war is your wargoals had the "return lands" CB on Korean lands. If you had taken the transfer subject CB, I am fairly certain you would have gained ticking from sitting on Qing's capital since the wargoal target should either be capital of the overlord or subject if I recall. Then you would've just needed to wait to annex Korea. Edit* To my knowledge and recollection, the wargoals that require the occupation of a capital specifically are: War Reps, Transfer Subject, Enforce Trade Rights, Humiliate, and Revoke Claims. Return State and Conquer State both require the targeted state to be occupied. Annexation has the wargoal on the capital, too, but I am not certain if you only need to take the capital or get full occupation.
There’s a way to honorable restore almost year 1, but in MP it may be difficult, as it involved a revolution. Basically, and this is rng, check that the head of the landowners had a different personality from the shogun, if he does remove the shogunate from power. Check your generals, and delete the traditionalist general. Then, exile the head of the landowners and hope you get your reformer general. If you do, move the landowners and the intelligentsia into power and instantly try and pass homesteading. Make sure you delete all units except the ones in Kansai before the revolution and kill the revolution. In MP, it may be smarter to simply delete most and ensure you have a GP supporter. Afterwards, start passing every law that removes landowner power and try to get voting, the. It’s just a mattter of suppressing landowners, keeping them out of power and waiting for your shogun to die/gettinf 50 legitimacy some other way (like lowering taxes/changing laws) and you’ve restored the emperor.
@@oldylad The Nazis were not racists they were scapegoatists. You can tell this by the fact that Hitler pardoned his Jewish doctor that treated his mother before she died. The only people in the Nazis who were actually racist were the people who didn't see that they were using the Jews as scapegoats the entire time. The reason they were racist is because they needed something to promise the German people as their entire party strategy revolved around blaming 3rd parties for problems that were caused by Triple Entente. What they did was bad but what people don't understand is that they were not some super villains with a master plan to take over the world. The NSDAP was little more then a bunch of impoverished people lead by a man child with daddy issues.
I pulled off a good Japan game a few months ago. I modernized the military right away and got professional army. I became best friends with China, Joseon, and Britain, conquered the Philippines, Dutch East India, made most of the rest of Indonesia/Indochina vassals, and somehow got Australia from England to join a war with Prussia, and also most of South America vassalized; Chile was bloodless and the rest fell like dominoes. I spent most of the game with 20-40 government legitimacy since I put in the industrialists and refused to let anyone else in power.
Did you play Vic3 MP with Bokoen crew ?
I just goddamn realised , you are Collage.
Same here I can’t believe I never put it together
it took me way too long it was _the_ college too
Average Hoi4 player IQ
Bruh dankus lvl iq
Same boat here 😔
This video shows the secrets the Snake of Denmark doesn't want you to see
@@svenrio8521 he will no longer get away with it. No more with the half truths!
College and Swimmy POVs are so revealing. Don't trust snakes. ❤
The Embodiment of Vic3:
Austria demanding all of the Balkans? GPs: SLEEP
Japan asking for *Korea*: "*PREPARE FOR HYPERWAR*"
The echoes of the Finno-Korean Hyperwar have still not fully healed...
It genuinely confuses me how these people are friends.
I think the problem is that there is a lack of say from the populace and, depending on the government type, the parliamentary system for these wars. Most of these games always have the player get the final say in starting wars.
Like I don't think the population or some members of the government would want to approve a war in some other part of the world or something like that. I hope you get where I'm getting from lol
Complete hyperdeath
@@1Orderchaosthe script is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... *unnatural*
i love how he actually tries to play the game and go in for korea and then the 2 biggest gps just hop on him for no reason at all
I caught a few streams and I was always pulling for college. Gotta get more people who aren't so risk adverse on the majors. 70 years of snoozefest watch line go up before something happens is just boring as fuck to watch lol. The last like 20 years though?! Oh hell yea.
Swimmy is the only one I've seen on a major who has a pair but swiminomics just makes his economy explodes the moment he tries to fight a war.
theyd rather fight the little guy then fight each other
Honestly compare this snoozefest of a campaign to the Epic showdowns in Spudgun's campaigns. The American bloodbath is just full of opportunists fucking over each other. And the drama is intense.
Nothing against College. He was stuck with retards. He is a victim.
They’re acting like the AI, but even worse somehow
I mean... if the game had a bit more intervention, maybe...
IRL the UK allowed Japan to go on China and take Korea, because they wanted to prevent the russians taking it over.
Everytime Jake and Bo team up its like the Super Fun Police strikes. Shout-out that one Vicky 2 game where Jake and Bo gameruined ISP by preventing Swimmy from helping him out in the middle of a civil war
Shout out to Jake for rigging a Vic 3 game so all the people around him let him form Germany in the 1840s then getting so mad at the UK for calling it out he organises a war of Russia, France, and Germany to liberate India.
While it's definitely not very fun from a gemeplay perspective, European colonisers all agreeing that Japan is not allowed to have things is pretty historical. There was that one time where European powers forced Japan to return some land they took off China, only for Russia to come in immediately and seize it for themselves.
@@TitanDarwin Boo bad argument, I want fun in my video game not "But in real life"
@@TitanDarwin counterpoint, is funi
@@jonasreese8689ngl after seeing it for the 50th time it gets kinda boring zzz
As a spaniard, the spanish government bear meme almost made me cry because it is so fucking real omfg
10:20: "He doesn't even know what his own race is, yet he's confident that it's better than everyone else's."
He has the Balkan mentality.
Bro got teamed up on and bamboozled by every person in that lobby atleast once
@@waitnottoday Not Poland. The great neutrals between Poland and Japan.
Smh, I cant believe he's critizing Swimonomics. College just doesn't have that wolf pack spirit
cant comprehend the swigma mindset
I like how it's identical to the modern US economic strategy.
He studied business, of course he run his country’s economic like today
he hates it because he can't understand it. when he tried to implement it like in his recent game as Germany, he fails completely, unlike swimmy who doesn't lose
@@talosisoursavior3061are we just gonna forget the HRE game
UK try to stop anything to happen bc everything is perfect for him, the annoying part is how everyone is letting it happen
Yeah, the UK was the biggest "status quo andy" of the 19th century. Why do people think the Ottoman Empire was still (barely) alive in the 20th century?
So like real life Britian?
Bengal owning 45% of your GDP at the end was quite the twist lol. All that build up about how India is boosting the shit out of GB and you forgot about *why*
For extra context, Spain got the Kongo cause they agreed to give it to the Swedish and Golden was able to build that super fleet because literally the entire world was bankrolling its construction.
Another example of the Nothing Ever Happens doctrine
This is beautiful content. Getting to see other sides of the same bo games is just chefs kiss
HOW DO THE NOTHING EVER HAPPEN BRO'S KEEP WINNING????!?!?!?!
We love GP's in vicky 3, so fun that they can just force everyone else in existence to not be able to do anything, very engaging :)
I agree :)
Just like real life
Great Powers in Vicky 3 function like actual Great Powers. When I play, I always try to suck up to the Great Powers so that they won't ruin my games.
You can't afford to ignore them.
Accurate third world gameplay for the past 500 years
Realistic lol
"Persia you matter"
-Emperor Meiji
I think the comment about the Vicky 3 war system just strikes so true for me. It is one of those massive problems that I can't ignore when playing the game. Everything else is good, but just aht fucking war system. It drives me nuts. Why paradox thought it was a good idea to make it like that, I have no fucking clue.
Petty spite. Legitimately. They got roasted for their mobile game war system from the very second they announced it in the dev diaries before release. Then it was garbage like everyone knew it would be and they've been seething ever since
@@Spessanon I remember I was interested in it before the game came out. But when I saw people play it, I just saw how frustrated it made people. They must have play tested it, and realised how shit it was.
@@theredsoldier26 personally I am fucking tired of army micromanagement, especially in mp. Like in EU IV multiplayer game you have fronts with millions of soldiers like it's the first world war, but it's year 1550.
So in the essence, the idea not to do another micromanagement hell out of the war system was good, the implementation of such an idea is another question
@@theredsoldier26 Paradox does not test their products, let alone actually play them
@TheKatons if you don't want to control your armies, this is what you're going to get. With how simple war is, could easily have had a hoi4 style frontlines system for the armies so you never had to micro but anti-micro players would still complain
To be fair to the Spain-player: King Amadeo I of Spain quit after 3 years and claimed the spanish were ungovernable. He was of the de Savoia Dynasty by the way
Love this style of MP video, definitely think you should do more along side your SP campaigns. Although I find having text appear all at once easier to read that it gradually coming on screen, especially when there’s a lot of information happening at once
Yay Yay Yay, Thatguyfromcoledge
I can't believe ISP's "Remove war" idea has gone mainstream.
They announced this game, everyone in the discord screamed that they removed war, and the devs literally did it
@@Ryuko-T72 Lmao i still remember how reddit was all "this is actually better!!!!" full cope mode, and the moment the game dropped everyone just realised how trash the idea was.
@@tioseba7 It's especially funny as no redditor actually wanted this before the changes were announced. The most you could've seen was an AI automation for the front lines like in HOI3 and HOI4. They quite literally gaslit themselves into thinking that's what they actually wanted all along lol.
@@tioseba7 redditors ruin the game man , i wanted to play and buy game why would I play the game when I can't increase my empire and do war
"There was a large roster for this game with 30 players at the start"
Oh dear lord. I can see the zillion desync issues already.
A Bokoen1 game from Collage POV. Now drop a HOI4 MP, I want to see if the allegation of ‘Collage can’t micro the size of a barn’ is true
"War in vic 3 is done so bad, no one what to do it"
Man yeah. I straight up refuse to play it until it gets a rework... which will be when apes retake the world
I pray everyday they redo warfare in this game from the ground up
Best they can do is paid dlc near the end of active Game development
But that would first require them to acknowledge that their whole idea was flawed from the start, instead of just the execution. I dunno if Wiz has enough humility for that...
Every single meme was so on point I genuinely unironically found myself laughing out loud.
What any Vic3 gameplay looks like:
Start up Vic3, play for a bit, get bored, turn it off, play some other GSG/Vic2
bo and jake when someone tries to have fun:
I had zero clue this channel existed until today! I really enjoy your tense moments, especially the one where you called Bo the “snake of Denmark” 🐍🇩🇰
I can feel College slowly going insane over the course of this MP game.
compared to normal MP paradox videos this is calm and almost wholesome. really enjoying this vibe!!
It's funny to see how literally nobody wanted player wars and when someone actually plays MP the way it is supposed to be played, everyone jumps on them for it.
The thing i dislike so much about paradox mp is this: if you are in a weak position or busy in a war, they will alwasy gang on you.
So like real life?
This is irl aswell just look what happend to germany twice.
In games its even worse as factors like combat strenght etc are usually much clearer and easier
You are suppose to have fun playing.
@@flopus7 If the UK had a civil war like in this game everyone would have dogpiled them so why didn't that happen here?
@@kraigisboss the uk had a civil war. What happened there?
your style of video with the multiplayer aestetic works really well actually, didnt think it would be this good
oh yeah vic3 such a realistic game where Bengal puppets japan economically
Love your Vicky 3 videos, the game really seems to fit with your chaotic energy. Would be glad to see more if you enjoy playing it ;)
Awesome video, it was great to see it from your perspective and it was well edited and entertaining, can’t wait for the next one👍
Great video! Love the production quality on this one. Keep it up!
13:50 Vicky 3 players when someone actually tries to engage with the game instead of jacking to numbers growing.
Just watching this was pretty infuriating, I can't imagine how you must have felt after already doing nothing for the majority of the game due to your starting position...
Vic 3 could have so much potential if they just added more detailed military control like in Hoi4
it would be met with cries of "I hate micro!!" by the redditors/tourists
I have more than 2k hours in hoi4
Keep that shit out of Vicky3
@@blakedake19just make the military more engaging for the player, cause you can literally see in the video no one wants to go to war because the mechanics are awful
@@blakedake19 Aint no way you think Vic 3's dogass system is worse than hoi4's
The army and navy systems are dogshit but I would never trade it for HOI4’s system. There have got to be other ways to improve it.
Feels like the last game i would ever want to play. Thankyou for suffering.
I think it might be a good idea to agree on some rules for mp games...
8:30 tbf, thats exactly what the Romans did during the Punic Wars.
About 4 times too bc they kept running into storms
College and Swimmy have to make compilations where they expose ratkoen and ratke.
I really really like this style of mp vid, it's like a more casual spudgun vid.
Big fan
"Why die for Bengal?"
Lmaooooo
Victoria 3 had so much potential.... Why did Paradox have to ruin it like that ?
Yay he’s playing the “I didn’t do any war crimes” country
Good video overall, but I'm not sure I like the scrolling subtitles. imo it'd look better if they all just appeared at once.
Agreed.
Yeah
The Spanish and Japanese war was a mid off. Casual Bung and College game play I must say.
Says the Midland player.....
@@guyfromcollege I was Poland and had a better GDP than Spain that ain’t mid buddy
13:44 So the main reason you couldn’t sit on the Qing capital to tick out the war is your wargoals had the "return lands" CB on Korean lands. If you had taken the transfer subject CB, I am fairly certain you would have gained ticking from sitting on Qing's capital since the wargoal target should either be capital of the overlord or subject if I recall. Then you would've just needed to wait to annex Korea.
Edit* To my knowledge and recollection, the wargoals that require the occupation of a capital specifically are: War Reps, Transfer Subject, Enforce Trade Rights, Humiliate, and Revoke Claims. Return State and Conquer State both require the targeted state to be occupied. Annexation has the wargoal on the capital, too, but I am not certain if you only need to take the capital or get full occupation.
There’s a way to honorable restore almost year 1, but in MP it may be difficult, as it involved a revolution. Basically, and this is rng, check that the head of the landowners had a different personality from the shogun, if he does remove the shogunate from power. Check your generals, and delete the traditionalist general. Then, exile the head of the landowners and hope you get your reformer general. If you do, move the landowners and the intelligentsia into power and instantly try and pass homesteading. Make sure you delete all units except the ones in Kansai before the revolution and kill the revolution. In MP, it may be smarter to simply delete most and ensure you have a GP supporter. Afterwards, start passing every law that removes landowner power and try to get voting, the. It’s just a mattter of suppressing landowners, keeping them out of power and waiting for your shogun to die/gettinf 50 legitimacy some other way (like lowering taxes/changing laws) and you’ve restored the emperor.
Also, fascism isn’t racism, it’s nationalism. The Nazis were racists, but fascism isn’t on its own racist and doesn’t require racism
@@oldylad The Nazis were not racists they were scapegoatists. You can tell this by the fact that Hitler pardoned his Jewish doctor that treated his mother before she died. The only people in the Nazis who were actually racist were the people who didn't see that they were using the Jews as scapegoats the entire time.
The reason they were racist is because they needed something to promise the German people as their entire party strategy revolved around blaming 3rd parties for problems that were caused by Triple Entente. What they did was bad but what people don't understand is that they were not some super villains with a master plan to take over the world. The NSDAP was little more then a bunch of impoverished people lead by a man child with daddy issues.
"He doesn't even know what is own race is, and yet he is confident that its better than everyone elses"
LMAO that is crazy
When nothingeverhappencels play Vic 3
13:12 "Oh yeah? How many of those ballot were mail-in huh?" LOL
8:29 Carthage on 1st Punic Warcbe like 😂
I fucking love swimonomics being used as a term
Watching this after seeing Bo’s perspective on it makes this video even funnier to me 😂
So is the bit at 3:38 from 'Fresh Prince of Bel-Air' or am I wrong?
I have a very poor understanding of Victoria 3 mechanics as a whole, but this is a delightful video. Will be watching more in the future.
Bo: ok guys lets play vicky 3
*does nothing all game*
Bo: yeah, nobody wants to play vicky 3 guys
I believe in Swimonomics
You should do more of this I loved seeing that game from a different perspective
5:22 Yugoslavia in 1862??
You have an S-tier voice btw. Always nice to listen to
21:02 Why are you playing Victoria 3 then lol?
cuz his friends play it, and so he can make content
I didn't even realize this was college until I heard Brauns voice and it confused the fuck out of me lol.
I pulled off a good Japan game a few months ago. I modernized the military right away and got professional army. I became best friends with China, Joseon, and Britain, conquered the Philippines, Dutch East India, made most of the rest of Indonesia/Indochina vassals, and somehow got Australia from England to join a war with Prussia, and also most of South America vassalized; Chile was bloodless and the rest fell like dominoes. I spent most of the game with 20-40 government legitimacy since I put in the industrialists and refused to let anyone else in power.
Bengalians owning Japan is so real
In incredible Vibery
Definitely a Vic 3 kinda game
Good work surviving that
I like the narrarator parts in the vid
I never realized that you were College from Bokoen
for some reason my mind always put you as two seperate people
College is my favorite BOBG member
Very honourable, much honour
Victoria 3: George Orwell's Dream
Good video, i like the style
i honestly like the flag ticker captions more than the RATS countryball stuff
Man, I really wish they didn't remove classic paradox war mechanics from vic3 :(
Bengal be like:
"I am the captain now"
u played it right. they didnt have what it takes.
This is your best video so far
vic 3 is truly one of the paradox games of all time
13:12 I actually laughed
good editing. il subscribe.
Absolute banger
This video made me realize the guy i watched doing those workers and revolutions videos is infact college from bokoen videos
What do you think of Project Variety? It's a total conversion mod for Victoria 3 that got released recently and it looks crazy.
Peasents not shooting themselves in the foot challenge (impossible):
Bro playing Britain was determined to roleplay
is swiminomics just the u.s. economy?
College POV is always the best POV
Did you attend UCF?
The Boondocks clips are hilarious XD
How the hell did it take this long(2 months) for it to click for me that you are collage from Bokoen1s videos
You should play more Vic 3 it always your funniest video
More Vic 3? Hell yeah 😎
dog I was NOT prepared to hear Bo's group in this video
Unless the mod changes something you should have been able to just ask for Korea and ignore war reps mid war
College tryna be the snake of Denmark so bad and I’m here for it
When did Cali start playing Victoria MP lol
Pretty sure this is his first game with us