1937 packard flower car bodied by AJ Miller
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- Опубликовано: 3 сен 2023
- Today we are back at canton classic auto museum to take a closer look at AJ miler flower car. This episode we talk about Packard model lineup for 1937 as well as AJ Miller Coach building Company
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Wild guess - I'm a Man, Chicago (Terry Kath on guitar)
Hell yeah man you got it.. I was worried it was going to be to easy 1939 Lincoln model k tomorrow car built for the queen of England’s mom when she toured Canada in 1939
Terry dying like that still gives me the blues. They never replaced him, IMHO
👏👏👏👏 Very good 👍🤠✌️
The greatest underrated giant of all time. He was monstrous on guitar.
When I was growing up in the 1970s my grandfather who was born in 1901 saw. My friends and me playing hockey in the street and a funeral procession approaching us a block away. He yelled at us and told us to get our goal posts out of the street and made us stand lined up at the sidewalk with our helmets placed over our hearts until the funeral procession passed by. My friends still talk about how much they appreciate my grandfather to this day.
I'm so glad you were able to feature such a rare professional car! Thank you for doing so, Jay.
You bet =) can’t wait to cover more off the beaten path cars
I think it's really cool that the distributor had a vacuum advance in '37. Usually don't see that until later years.
Great history review of professional vehicles. Miller/Meteor and Superior were top in the field.
Had a friend back when I was a kid, he was an auto mechanic ,and auto restorer, he drove what I believe to have been a late 40's or early 50's Lincoln Flower car Black in color.
I have to admit I like the La Salle front Fenders and art deco treatment of the grill 👍😉 ... But the Packard is a far superior car !!!!!! Any Packard beautiful craftsmanship is a ride on clouds 😊✌️
Great episode 👍
Thank you glade you dig this episode
We are going to cover the Miller carved hearse they have one and they drive it =)
Truly an amazing and unique car. Professional cars, whether they be flower cars, hearses, limousines, or ambulances, offer a special look at what life was like 80-plus years ago. They are truly functional works of art. The Packards in particular.
I've wondered if it would be possible to have a classic car funeral when it's my time to go. A Packard hearse, followed by a Packard flower car, and finally, a Packard (or Cadillac) limousine or two. Just think. What a send off!
WYR? I'll take the '37 Packard limo and the '37 Packard hearse.
Great episode as always!
Thank you glad you dig this episode I turned in last night early.
What a send off that would be
I believe you are correct - with the snaps (under the rear window) that is some form of tonneau cover. That interior is just stunning! Well, lets be honest, the whole car is. OK, the mother in law comment was hilarious 😂. WYR: 1937 Packard limo and 1954 Packard wagon (because it’s always the Packard). Thank you as always ~ Chuck
Glad you dig that comment great choices i’ll have to see if there’s a Packard super wagon that exist I’ve heard conflicting information I know that they built one I was always under the impression that they built one somebody just said that they built too and if that’s the case there might be one still out there
Can't decide, all of those cars are gorgeous!
In a day and time when lots and LOTS of flowers were delivered to the Funeral Home,
and needed to be transported to the cemetery ahead of the hearse.
Yeah I didn’t want to be that direct weddings was a joke lol
But yeah =)
I learned to be direct out of necessity.
(I also apprenticed in a Funeral Home while in High School.)
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The flower car transported funeral flowers to the gravesite from the funeral home. My dad worked for a funeral home in Buffalo and I would often go with him to help with deliveries. At the time, flower cars were obsolete, but they kept a 1940 Packard hearse for occasional use.
Very cool and interesting auto. The Packards would be my picks!!🤩
=) mine too can’t wait to show The carved miller hearse.. that’s a super interesting car
Packard kinda had a trademark with it's "tombstone " radiator grilles, right up to the last true Packards of 1956.
You showed an oil-bath air cleaner, but the top was missing as well as the part covering the carburetor connecting to the top of the air cleaner. Just as an oil breather, the air cleaner is filled with a media which won't disintegrate. In this case, probably brass or copper elements. The bottom of the air cleaner housing would have oil in it, just below the element. The oil would splash around getting onto the air cleaner media and keep the dust and dirt form getting into the carburetor intake. Your karmann-Ghia would have had the same type of air cleaner when it left the factory.
As for the Packard engine. the bulging plate on the driver's side of the block was a coolant system cover, with I seem to remember, baffles in it. On the other side of the block was another cover, which covered the cam followers and valve adjusters. From the mid-20's Packard had roller cam engines. These promoted a quieter valve train from being smoother in operation, plus being easier on the camshaft lobes and helping the cams last longer. Many modern engines use roller cams with the aim of extracting more horsepower. Lack of lubrication will kill any camshaft, no matter how it is made.
Flower cars were pretty cool, used mainly for funerals. What seems to be a convertible top is actually a tonneau cover deployed when the bed was empty.
In later years, Cadillacs would be used as flower cars with the back halves being topped and made into a pick-up bed. Around the edges of the beds would usually be short walls mad of plexiglass to protect the flowers from the wind. Funeral parades rarely exceeded 25 mph, but on the trip back to the funeral home could drive the speed limit, as there was no reason to drive slow. When I worked at a Cadillac dealer, in the service department, it was a common sight to have a flower car come in. A popular model was made out of the front wheel drive El Dorado, which allowed a deeper bed in the back. The obvious flower cars had the plexiglass risers. These cars were also marketed to wealthy farmers, of which we had a few in my area. They could have their cakes and eat it too. Throwing a few bales of hat in the back and driving on a dirt roads to take it to their horses.
The fact that the air cleaner had a copper filtering media must indicate it's from a luxury car. More austere cars had to settle for horse hair in their oil bath oil filters. Their were plenty of horses around in those days.
Thank you so much for taking the time to share all of that information as well as insight I never saw it oil bath air cleaner what was inside of one I’ve only owned one car that had that feature and I never changed that stuff I’m not even sure if my Karman Ghia had the oil bath air cleaner by the time I got it.. that was almost 7 years ago at this point it’s hard to remember I remember all the bad times it left me on the side of the road once because I ran out of gas the whole car had this bad vibe kinda surrounding it it wasn’t a bad car it’s just every time we wanted to get something worked on it took far longer than it ever should have.. I should’ve listen to my dad and just put a for sale sign on it and sold it as is I wouldn’t have as many issues with it had I done that.. and would’ve been further ahead as well
@@What.its.like. Very unusual. My only bad experiences with Type I VW's were my own fault. Out on the Left Coast here, Karman Ghia's are valuable, running or not. The later "dual port" engines are preferable. Luckily, I believe they were discontinued here by the time the fuel-injected ones would have come out. About the only thing which could kill them was rust.
Sorry, I didn't edit this comment. The first sentence should end with "oil bath air cleaners" & the second sentence should read "there" instead of "their".
LOL, Jay. Flower cars do not bring flowers to weddings, they bring flowers from the funeral home to the grave site.
This is an amazing surviver professional car.
I'll take the limo and the super wagon.
Yeah glass is always half full with me =)
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@@danielulz1640 I've seen "flower cars" in both black and white versions. The white was generally for weddings only (occasionally for a funeral for a child...) but the black versions seem to have been exclusively for funeral use. Would you want to see the flowers delivered to YOUR wedding in what looked like a hearse? ;) Andy
I’m not wrapped up in the world colors are I would just be happy that they got there lol =)
When I was very young, our local ambulance service used Henney Packards based on the 1951-1954 Packard bodies. They were light blue. I didn't like to see people encounter misfortune, but I really liked seeing those ambulances. I wanted one. The ambulance service must have liked those ambulances too. They continued to use the Henney Packard ambulances for a number of years after Packard folded.
I thought this was a henney bodied car.. I wrote the whole script thinking it was only finding out after the episode was written that it was bodied by AJ Miller.. henney apobted the Packard chassis in 1937 and stayed with them until 54 when they went bust.. colorful history
Thank you so much for sharing those memories =)
Henney offered the junior and senior ambulance limo hearse two wheelbases and if I remember correct they lost money on every one built, someone messed up the numbers. And henney went bust as a result
@@What.its.like.Wow. I didn't know that about Henney.
Excellent!!
Hi Jay!: These funeral cars are really interesting! I know my Mother said that during her childhood (1930's-1940's) the local funeral home used Packards exclusively! Not just for the hearse, but they had a Packard Sedan for the family to ride out in. The flower car has such an interesting body style! Makes you wonder what a 1940's Packard pickup might have looked like! Sort of an early Ranchero! WYR#1 Henney Limo. #2 Packard-Henney Superwagon. THAT THING IS SUPERCOOL!
Awesome choices thank you so much for sharing all of those memories I really enjoyed reading your posts =)
As far as "Would You Rather".... DEFINITELY that '54 Packard Super Wagon!
How cool is THAT?
I think that Henney built at least two of them. I know they had EXOTIC interiors... One had paint ponyhide seats and rugs.
I wonder if one still exists?
I’ll have to look into it I know one of them got destroyed I wasn’t sure if they made one or two I know they’re super rare.. but I would honestly love to review a super wagon if it’s out there I wanna find it
Unique ride.
Yeah most definitely it’s the only flower car that I’ve seen in person
Air cleaner is oil bath using a filter media of coarse steel wool like material that when oiled trapped dirt, or so the thinking was.
Awesome I was never sure how those worked I’ve never seen one apart before
Nice!!
I wonder if that "top boot" on the back of the bed is a tonneau cover for the bed / the cargo _in_ the bed. Notice the Lift-the-Dot fasteners along the top edge of the bed? I was also wondering why you didn't do a Glove Box test? That's one of my favorite parts! For the "Would You Rather," I'd have to choose the Packard Ute -- er, Flower Car. Imagine going on a weeklong camping trip in the National Forest in that! 🤣🤣
To be 100% honest I didn’t get in this car it was currently being worked on they drive a lot of the stuff in the museum and if it doesn’t run or drive properly they work on it.. I didn’t get in this car so I didn’t do the glovebox test I was going to include the glovebox test from the previous car that we did from 37 the invalid car the camera does fit in both sides
The material inside the aircleaner is a non-ferrous metal mesh, that sits in a bath of oil. Makes the oil bath air filter work. Change the flter oil, clean the mesh, repeat...
Packard Henny Limo
Packard Henny Super Wagon! How can you resist a name like that?
Thank you so much for that information I never taken the oil bath air cleaner apart I just thought that I was really interesting
Great choices =)
I wondered what an oily bath air cleaner was every time it's been mentioned. Now I know! Thanks for explaining it. Much appreciated!
on the second question #3. great video
Awesome glad you dig this video =)
I wish I could of gone today.
It’s absolutely epic I might do a live thing Idk the phone I have isn’t great but man this place is awesome
I dig the Flower Car from first set and the ‘54 Wagon from 2nd set.
Awesome great choices =)
So Much Incredible Research Jay!
Thank you glad you saw that thank you so much for noticing lol I did that episode thinking the flower car was a henney for our car cause I thought Henney was the only company that made flower cars for Packard come to find out that’s not true.. there was also a funeral company called Kings Ford that did hearses limos for Packard those ones are rare.. As well as other companies as well
@@What.its.like.You are an awesome Young Man Jay!Thanks for preserving Automotive History!
First choice the Miller carved hearse, the second the 54 Packard super station wagon (I have the die cast model of it). Unfortunately that one doesn't exist. According to the Packard history book, that car was sold to an individual in New York who used it for a few years then abandoned it to a vacant lot where it got vandalized and set on fire and scrapped. I would love to see someone with money recreate that one. The only cars similar to it in existence are the 1956 & 59 Broadmoor Cadillac super wagons. That trunk lid probably has a lot of lead filler and maybe some wood framing. That is why it is so heavy plus thicker gauge steel. That air cleaner has copper wool inside when soaked with light oil catches the dirt.
Sweet choices =) i’ve heard conflicting information that they made one maybe two if they made two it’s quite possible that it might still be out there that’s a car that I would really love to review.. because that is the car that killed Henney we did a junior ambulance last year and I found out that that car is what bankrupted the coachbuilder because they were going through a bit of inflation sort of like we’re going through and they didn’t the numbers didn’t make sense they sold the hearse for way less than they needed to they lost millions they created the company..
@@What.its.like.According to my Henny book, only 1 prototype wagon was built before the company went bankrupt. You are right about the Henny Jr. and inflation hitting, and looming Ford-Chevy price war. When they conceived a smaller regular wheelbase professional car, they didn't take in account price of material & labor to build each car plus their dwindling market share, management issues, and raising the $3,333 price of the Junior, and most of all the Studebaker takeover in 1954, a 4 year old body due to be redesigned killed Henny.
Nice voice Jay
Haha I am not the best singer in the world used to do karaoke my voice is nowhere near what it used to be and it was never good to begin with.. lol but in my defense I can stay on Key
The cut off over riders may just be to clear the trunk lid, but there may be more to the trunk than meets the eye. It may be possible to configure it so that a coffin could be transported there, or other funeral paraphernalia such as a coffin trolley. This is a rare survivor. Most such cars, when they got so old that nobody wanted to be seen dead in them, were converted to towtrucks as they had heaps of power and low mileage. The innards of an oil bath air cleaner are like heavy duty steel wool, sitting in a puddle of oil. The top bit seems to be missing here. I have a friend with a similar vintage Packard hearse. The rear is enclosed of course, but the driver sits in the open.
Awesome information and insight and you’re totally right a lot of these cars got scrapped because just as you mentioned they didn’t want to be seen dead in these things but I would drive around one of these no issue whatsoever especially the carved Hearse that thing is awesome
"Nobody wanted to be seen dead in them" made me laugh 😂
Haha yeah
I also remember cutoffs being used as a term for cars that were cut out in the back somewhat similar to an ElCamino when a guy had an old full sized coupe or sedan and needed a pickup for a new job but had to make do.
Nice video to watch on my lunch break from working on my 37 Pontiac!
That’s awesome =)
The museum has a 32 two-door Pontiac that I’m going to do the next time I go there they have a bunch of cars lotta cars that are off the beaten path and everything they have is pure class
They have a baby grand Chevrolet
Holmes
simplex
I’m really looking forward to the old car show I can’t wait
Very cool. Would love to see you feature a 32 Pontiac! Next Saturday is cars at History park in San Jose CA. I know it's too far for you to travel, but it's a pre-war car show in a park where they put all the historic building that get moved to make way for new construction. Maybe some time in the future you can check it out.
Next year definitely want to travel more that’s for sure =)
Hello 👋 Jay I got to catch up on your videos
Try to do at least 5 a week near daily content =)
Air cleaner is oil bath….mesh oil helps the mesh filter.
1937 lime Packard wagon.
Thank you so much for that information =)
Creepy but cool .
Yeah wait until we do the craved hearse.. I haven’t shot that one yet but will be featured one day =)
Wow what a interesting car but for me id have to pick the limo and the super wagon, I’d really like to see a video on the super wagon also
I was just informed the super wagon doesn’t exist anymore which is a total bummer but we did a review on a 54 packard henney ambulance
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@@What.its.like. - thank you for the link and yeah that’s a total bummer about the super wagon, glad you’re getting all these cars recorded for history 👍
I'll take the 54 Super Wagon!
I would love to find the super wagon I don’t even know if it exists I know they only made one
54 packard wagon
Miller carved hearse ----54 super wagon
Awesome choices =)
1 & 2: All of them.
Tune: Purple Rain by Jimi Hendrix?
Stay cool the remainder of summer, dude.
It would be really hard to choose they have that AJ Miller carved hearse I’ve never seen anything like it from that era it has a door like a hidden door the carving opens I haven’t done it yet but I did poke round that car a little bit..
Great choice but no it’s not Jimi Hendrix the song title is what the Packard was
Bellfontaine is pronounced Belle-fon-taine. No fountain in there. ;^)
I wasn’t entirely sure how to say that I watched a couple of travel channels pronounces the way that I pronounced it so clearly they were wrong to..
It’s interesting that I remember a funeral home back home that had Buick Hearses from the 1950s, but I never see any of them on any of the videos done on Hearses. I wonder if they were that rare and maybe there may not be many left. Do you ever come across any still around.
Here are all the professional cars we’ve covered
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For WYR, I'll go with the '37 Packard Limo and the '54 Packard Super Wagon
I never heard of this model. Interesting car...I wonder what that back end looks like without the flowers? Does it look like an El Camino?
It looks like that back end could be covered over, which was probably what that convertible looking piece in the back was for. It was more like a tarp.
Great choices super wagon would be totally cool =)
Wouldnt that make a grand delivery vehicle for your cabinets. too bad theres NOT a tailgate tho
Yeah I’ve seen them both ways this one is different with a trunk honestly thought this was a henney car at first
Qwery, if it was used for weddings, why would it be painted black? Mr picky strikes a logic question and yes they were used for funerals and if I am correct they were usually positioned after the hearse. If I am wrong won't be the first time.
It looks like the manifold from he air cleaner to carb is off.
Yes, in Canton, Ohio, we don't support Rachel Zegler's Snow White nor what she drives.
Hahaha what was wrong with the original is all I’m going to say..
Wasn't that Deep Purple doing Hush?
Haha great guess but nope not that song or band
Driving flowers through weddings? More like funerals especially in black
Haha it was a joke trying to see the world through. The glass is always half full, not half empty.