Just bought a OP12. I would agree, not by much. But only because of the SPen, DeX, and far more accessory options. If you don't need those things, the OP is MUCH better than the S24, and 5-600$ less. Crazy
@@shiloh6519 You ain't wrong. $399 vs. $699. I almost bought the R myself. But didn't want a surprise later on due to not knowing it's specs as well. Was in a hurry to order to get the wireless charger and avoid a sell out. Both excellent value.
@@iamearthbeing I would honestly say that the camera is a toss up between the 2. If you took 10 photos in various conditions, I'd imagine it'd be a near, if not, 50/50 split between the 2. The OP12 Camera is among the top. The 12R, however, made some cuts there.
got my OP12 for $700 after discounts. Paying almost twice as much for a phone to get a little bit better camera quality, 3 more years of updates and a subjectively better UI is wild to me. I could literally buy a brand new phone after 4 years when support ends and still would have spent just as much had I got the S24U. To each their own, i guess
@@StevealiciousTech you made some great points, solid review. I was mostly just thinking out loud. Quietly rooting for OnePlus since more competition in the space will shake up some of these companies from getting complacent in their design and innovation. Apple has such a foothold that they can put out the same phone every year with marginal updates and people eat it up. Miss the days when people took chances in the tech space
@@Cheese-f7q so nonsense it’s becoming a selling point for Samsung and Google. And have you not seen old iPhones around? It helps people keep devices longer. It’s not a negative. Just because you don’t care, doesn’t mean other people don’t.
But what i heard from other OnePlus 12 users is that colors are very accurate to the real life scene & shutter speed is little faster for capturing moving objects compared to S24U.
One Plus is def the better phone. Edit; I say it is better due to it being a decent amount cheaper while providing all of the same internals and in my opinion a better display which is weird when talking about Samsung. The cameras are clse as well.
@@StevealiciousTech GSM Arena has quite a few head to head shots, taken directly in the same areas at the same time. And the Samsung camera has a lot of blue noise and inaccurate colors in low light. That's the magic of controlled testing. As far as optics go, it doesn't take any effort at all to see the Samsung focus issues at close distances.
@@adaml.5355 I've been taking photos all week side by side seconds after each other. I don't have to see anything. I see what I take in real world point and shoot examples.
I was a long-term Samsung Suppoter from the Note 2 to the Note 9 but then they got rid of the headphone jack and then expandable storage and then they felt it was okay to stop including a charger in the box. And for a 1300 phone that's too cheap to give you a charger. I switched to OnePlus. It's a much better buy overall.
Great job onn the video ... the S10 plus, s10 , s10 E are still a really good phones which came out in 2019 which could be used in 2024 , but they are no longer getting any updates or security patches and so yes the 7 years of updates is definitly a selling point .
I have been using the S24 Ultra and OnePlus 12 for a couple weeks now and these phones easily qualify for phone of the year. I do like the S24 Ultra more, but the OnePlus 12 gives it a run for its money. The things that make the S24 Ultra my daily driver is the S-Pen, Samsung DeX, and better video recording. The OnePlus 12 is still used daily as there are aspects of the phone that I like such as an IR Blaster, faster charging speeds, and better photo quality. You might be surprised to hear me say that about photo quality, but Samsung definitely needs to optimize their camera as it tends to oversharpen too much. OnePlus also needs to improve the video recording.
I don't have the 24U but if I can go by the still photo processing of the S23U then I can see why you would prefer the OP12. I do too, enough to find a GCam build to use instead of the stock camera. Samsung definitely does better video and probably longer exposure photos. Moving from the S23U to the OP12 I can't say I miss anything other than the auto hotspot it used provide for my S8U tablet. The OP12 feels much nicer in the hand though I wish it had a flat front glass while keeping the rest of the curves.
Thank you for your honest assessment of these two phones I am so over people giving Samsung their flowers in the camera department something they do not deserve other than that I agree they make one heck of a good phone!
: Will samsung phones slow down in performance like lagging issues after some time? I want to upgrade from one plus 3t and tbh there is no issues at all, when it comes to performance... I want to buy s24u for flat display, camera and s pen. I know battery is not good at all but I'll consider that later. But what i want to know is, does samsung slow down overtime? Even with software updates and all promises.😅
@@StevealiciousTechOxygenOs is much smoother and definitely faster than OneUi. I am a Samsung fanboi. I have an S22 Ultra at home and OnePlus 10 pro . OneUI is definitely laggy after an year, probably because OS itself is soo heavy, and more bloatware on OneUI
Used both S22 Ultra with OneUI 6 and OnePlus 12 Oxygen OS 14. OnePlus has buttery smooth animations while Samsung has faster slick animations. It comes down to personal preference. I prefer the OnePlus.
Tech Od was saying in his comments under his s24 plus video that the plus is the better deal over the op 12 and said that just because i dont have the 24 plus i dont know know what im talking about.
I think oneplus It's kinda right with their statement about updates. Android versions have to be polished. These needs more resources, for a company that doesn't even sell half what samsung does, meaning spending money on updating phones that a lot of people already moved on from can be kinda senseless. I'm not justifying Samsung prices, but at the end of the day they are not losing. Samsung is charging you for the next 7 years of updates even if you change your phone in 3 years.
And with ColorOS integration, let's not pretend Oppo doesn't shoulder some of this cost, between the two of them overseas, the companies do well enough to support their phones.
@@StevealiciousTech 💯 7 years of both OS & security for Samsung following Google's change. Just pointing out additional information about OnePlus 12 that wasn't clear in the video (only said 4). Thank you.
The most key feature, as the video mentions, that puts Samsung ahead (while yes….the cost differential is problematic) ….and that feature is: Samsung has promised SEVEN ANDROID versions on the S24U, compared to OnePlus 4 android versions only - which means on the S24U you are assured of updates till android version 21…….possibly till 2031……!!!!!! And given the almost future-proof specs of the S24U, and the tough durable hardware, this means that for a HUGE no. of buyers who are not exactly crazy about getting the latest phone blindly each year, the S24U could potentially be stretched to last 10 years by when, while the latest Android version might be 24, the S24U would be on 21 which …..is…..pretty…….good - actually just 3 versions behind, while the OP12 would be stuck at 18, ie.,…….SIX versions behind which might be too much for most consumers to accept. And therefore the right way to assess S24U vs OP12 is ……which one will be better ROI for the long haul …….???? Or to put it differently ……. the per day cost of a 7yr. investment of the OP12 is pretty much the same as the per day cost of a 10yr investment on the S24U……at the same time Snapdragon 3 running os 1/2TB storage and 16gb RAM will still be good enough for A21, that is how powerful the S24U specs are…… So in this view, given that the cost is “the same” …..and the hardware and capacity (at least the 1/2TB 16gig version) likely to remain capable for a long while, which would you pick ? Also the fact that S24U will better value in the secondary market even after 4 years compared to likely 0 value for the OP12 is also a very strong point. But of course if you are the kind that MUST HAVE the latest model every 2-3 years and sustainability and long term value be damned, then the decision is a no-brainer!!!!
The OnePlus 12 has a unlocked bootloader, thats even better than 7 years of updates and hoping Verizon will actually push them (hint they won't because they suck)
The support point im with Oneplus on this one. Lets be totally honest next year the s25 features wont be available on s24 so you get new software but no new features. I have google pixel 7 pro on the beta program and all the pixel 8 stuff isnt on the 7 even with feature drops.
It may well get that software however some features left out or some behind paywalls. They have to do things to differentiate the old model from the new. All samsung and google mean is 7 years of OS updates. No phone battery is going to be much kop after 2 to 3 years. @@StevealiciousTech
Samsung's cameras was/is notoriously over saturating the colours, like always, reds are so red, like what your eyes sees in real world don't match what their lenses sees, looks unnatural tbh, but for the average, it looks amazing...😅 maybe some people's eyes were off, I mean, when you see a dull looking red and shoot it with your S24U and turns it into vibrant looking red, is that real what kind of colour science is that..
I didn't say it was accurate, I said it was closer to what I was seeing than the OnePlus. I will take what Samsung does over completely missing the color and looking soft at the same time. But everyone has their own preference.
@@Gary0557 The camera is great. I just need better batterylife and the speakers are worse than on my s21 plus but yes not a bad buy. If theres not s crazy good deal i will probably wait another year.
Yes. Yes it is. I bought the one plus and ultra at same time. Ultra so much better camera wise. Not so great in hand. ( Its huge) but the one plus went back
IMO the Samsung over sharpens the image too much and the colors are unrealistically vibrant. The OnePlus 12 photos look more natural and less processed
The colors weren't more natural though...there is a difference between more natural and being closer to what is actually there. The blue on the left side of the plushies is way out of whack, same with the darker outdoor image, and the flower didn't look like that either. The color is off.
Maybe we should stop trying to convince people that the OnePlus 12 competes with the S24 Ultra 🤷🏽♂️ The only thing the OnePlus 12 does better than the S24 Ultra is fast charging, the S24 Ultra charges 30 minutes faster than the iPhone 15 Pro Max, but that doesn't automatically make the S24 Ultra a better smartphone than the 15 Pro Max (although, personally, I think the S24 Ultra is a much better smartphone than the 15 Pro Max ). The OnePlus 12 is a very good smartphone, a pretty good deal, but it competes more with the S24 Plus (which is better than it, by the way), than with the S24 Ultra / iPhone 15 Pro Max. 🙏🏽
@@rolins3279 thanks to his awesome video I m enjoying quite powerful device with way lesser price 😉... It's more smooth than S24U lol ... I tried both in hand
I do think the S24 Ultra is better but not by that much...
Just bought a OP12. I would agree, not by much. But only because of the SPen, DeX, and far more accessory options. If you don't need those things, the OP is MUCH better than the S24, and 5-600$ less. Crazy
Then 12 r is even a better value than the 12. Is the OP 12 $400 better than the 12 r.
@@shiloh6519 You ain't wrong. $399 vs. $699. I almost bought the R myself. But didn't want a surprise later on due to not knowing it's specs as well. Was in a hurry to order to get the wireless charger and avoid a sell out. Both excellent value.
@@J.Wick. battery wise one plus is a clear winner. What about camera?
@@iamearthbeing I would honestly say that the camera is a toss up between the 2. If you took 10 photos in various conditions, I'd imagine it'd be a near, if not, 50/50 split between the 2. The OP12 Camera is among the top. The 12R, however, made some cuts there.
got my OP12 for $700 after discounts. Paying almost twice as much for a phone to get a little bit better camera quality, 3 more years of updates and a subjectively better UI is wild to me. I could literally buy a brand new phone after 4 years when support ends and still would have spent just as much had I got the S24U. To each their own, i guess
Well that's the conclusion I point to, it's better but not $500 better.
@@StevealiciousTech you made some great points, solid review. I was mostly just thinking out loud. Quietly rooting for OnePlus since more competition in the space will shake up some of these companies from getting complacent in their design and innovation. Apple has such a foothold that they can put out the same phone every year with marginal updates and people eat it up. Miss the days when people took chances in the tech space
It's 5 years support
7 years of updates is not a selling point , have you ever kept a phone longer than 3 years much less 7 ? It's a nonsense selling point
@@Cheese-f7q so nonsense it’s becoming a selling point for Samsung and Google. And have you not seen old iPhones around? It helps people keep devices longer. It’s not a negative. Just because you don’t care, doesn’t mean other people don’t.
But what i heard from other OnePlus 12 users is that colors are very accurate to the real life scene & shutter speed is little faster for capturing moving objects compared to S24U.
One Plus is def the better phone. Edit; I say it is better due to it being a decent amount cheaper while providing all of the same internals and in my opinion a better display which is weird when talking about Samsung. The cameras are clse as well.
Check GSM Arena for head to head camera comparisons. S24U is very behind. Especially for low light photos.
Very behind? I'm looking at shots I actually took. It's not very behind anything. I trust my eyes. You trust whatever you have to.
@@StevealiciousTech GSM Arena has quite a few head to head shots, taken directly in the same areas at the same time. And the Samsung camera has a lot of blue noise and inaccurate colors in low light. That's the magic of controlled testing. As far as optics go, it doesn't take any effort at all to see the Samsung focus issues at close distances.
@@adaml.5355 I've been taking photos all week side by side seconds after each other. I don't have to see anything. I see what I take in real world point and shoot examples.
I was a long-term Samsung Suppoter from the Note 2 to the Note 9 but then they got rid of the headphone jack and then expandable storage and then they felt it was okay to stop including a charger in the box. And for a 1300 phone that's too cheap to give you a charger. I switched to OnePlus. It's a much better buy overall.
Great job onn the video ... the S10 plus, s10 , s10 E are still a really good phones which came out in 2019 which could be used in 2024 , but they are no longer getting any updates or security patches and so yes the 7 years of updates is definitly a selling point .
I have been using the S24 Ultra and OnePlus 12 for a couple weeks now and these phones easily qualify for phone of the year. I do like the S24 Ultra more, but the OnePlus 12 gives it a run for its money. The things that make the S24 Ultra my daily driver is the S-Pen, Samsung DeX, and better video recording. The OnePlus 12 is still used daily as there are aspects of the phone that I like such as an IR Blaster, faster charging speeds, and better photo quality. You might be surprised to hear me say that about photo quality, but Samsung definitely needs to optimize their camera as it tends to oversharpen too much. OnePlus also needs to improve the video recording.
I don't have the 24U but if I can go by the still photo processing of the S23U then I can see why you would prefer the OP12. I do too, enough to find a GCam build to use instead of the stock camera. Samsung definitely does better video and probably longer exposure photos. Moving from the S23U to the OP12 I can't say I miss anything other than the auto hotspot it used provide for my S8U tablet. The OP12 feels much nicer in the hand though I wish it had a flat front glass while keeping the rest of the curves.
Thank you for your honest assessment of these two phones I am so over people giving Samsung their flowers in the camera department something they do not deserve other than that I agree they make one heck of a good phone!
The OnePlus 12 is capable of 100w in the states, but you gotta buy their dual port charger.
Screen is actually a higher brightness on OnePlus it also works better if your wet then any other smartphone
Only in marketing.
: Will samsung phones slow down in performance like lagging issues after some time?
I want to upgrade from one plus 3t and tbh there is no issues at all, when it comes to performance...
I want to buy s24u for flat display, camera and s pen. I know battery is not good at all but I'll consider that later. But what i want to know is, does samsung slow down overtime? Even with software updates and all promises.😅
Oxygen OS is one of smoothest if not the most smooth UI. I starting to believe this guy has a eye problem 😂.
Use them both side by side and tell me that. It used to be with OxygenOS 11, though.
@@shyhandiq not talking about animations…everyone loves to talk about animations.
@@StevealiciousTechOxygenOs is much smoother and definitely faster than OneUi. I am a Samsung fanboi. I have an S22 Ultra at home and OnePlus 10 pro . OneUI is definitely laggy after an year, probably because OS itself is soo heavy, and more bloatware on OneUI
Used both S22 Ultra with OneUI 6 and OnePlus 12 Oxygen OS 14. OnePlus has buttery smooth animations while Samsung has faster slick animations. It comes down to personal preference. I prefer the OnePlus.
When oxygen was oxygen 11 it was excellent but after that not quite as good as it used to be
Tech Od was saying in his comments under his s24 plus video that the plus is the better deal over the op 12 and said that just because i dont have the 24 plus i dont know know what im talking about.
I found your review to be objective and truthful. Pls keep it up. 👍👍👍
I think oneplus It's kinda right with their statement about updates.
Android versions have to be polished. These needs more resources, for a company that doesn't even sell half what samsung does, meaning spending money on updating phones that a lot of people already moved on from can be kinda senseless.
I'm not justifying Samsung prices, but at the end of the day they are not losing. Samsung is charging you for the next 7 years of updates even if you change your phone in 3 years.
Right, but it's not a lost amount...you'll retain value after the 3 years you wouldn't have had otherwise. It works both ways.
And with ColorOS integration, let's not pretend Oppo doesn't shoulder some of this cost, between the two of them overseas, the companies do well enough to support their phones.
Samsung just has an anti glare coating
OnePlus 12 does 4 years OS updates and 5 years of security updates.
Yes, and Samsung does 7 of both.
@@StevealiciousTech 💯 7 years of both OS & security for Samsung following Google's change. Just pointing out additional information about OnePlus 12 that wasn't clear in the video (only said 4). Thank you.
Benefit for OnePlus is you can put lineage Rom which includes both security and software updates
the fact that One plus includes a charger and cable in the box does it for me. Also, I just like OP better as company.
But i think one ui more enjoyable but oxygen os is mire smoother I have both and i feel that
The most key feature, as the video mentions, that puts Samsung ahead (while yes….the cost differential is problematic) ….and that feature is: Samsung has promised SEVEN ANDROID versions on the S24U, compared to OnePlus 4 android versions only - which means on the S24U you are assured of updates till android version 21…….possibly till 2031……!!!!!!
And given the almost future-proof specs of the S24U, and the tough durable hardware, this means that for a HUGE no. of buyers who are not exactly crazy about getting the latest phone blindly each year, the S24U could potentially be stretched to last 10 years by when, while the latest Android version might be 24, the S24U would be on 21 which …..is…..pretty…….good - actually just 3 versions behind, while the OP12 would be stuck at 18, ie.,…….SIX versions behind which might be too much for most consumers to accept.
And therefore the right way to assess S24U vs OP12 is ……which one will be better ROI for the long haul …….????
Or to put it differently ……. the per day cost of a 7yr. investment of the OP12 is pretty much the same as the per day cost of a 10yr investment on the S24U……at the same time Snapdragon 3 running os 1/2TB storage and 16gb RAM will still be good enough for A21, that is how powerful the S24U specs are……
So in this view, given that the cost is “the same” …..and the hardware and capacity (at least the 1/2TB 16gig version) likely to remain capable for a long while, which would you pick ?
Also the fact that S24U will better value in the secondary market even after 4 years compared to likely 0 value for the OP12 is also a very strong point.
But of course if you are the kind that MUST HAVE the latest model every 2-3 years and sustainability and long term value be damned, then the decision is a no-brainer!!!!
The OnePlus 12 has a unlocked bootloader, thats even better than 7 years of updates and hoping Verizon will actually push them (hint they won't because they suck)
The support point im with Oneplus on this one. Lets be totally honest next year the s25 features wont be available on s24 so you get new software but no new features. I have google pixel 7 pro on the beta program and all the pixel 8 stuff isnt on the 7 even with feature drops.
Why would we assume that when the S23 Ultra is getting OneUI 6.1?
It may well get that software however some features left out or some behind paywalls. They have to do things to differentiate the old model from the new. All samsung and google mean is 7 years of OS updates. No phone battery is going to be much kop after 2 to 3 years. @@StevealiciousTech
Samsung's cameras was/is notoriously over saturating the colours, like always, reds are so red, like what your eyes sees in real world don't match what their lenses sees, looks unnatural tbh, but for the average, it looks amazing...😅 maybe some people's eyes were off, I mean, when you see a dull looking red and shoot it with your S24U and turns it into vibrant looking red, is that real what kind of colour science is that..
I didn't say it was accurate, I said it was closer to what I was seeing than the OnePlus. I will take what Samsung does over completely missing the color and looking soft at the same time. But everyone has their own preference.
Got my S24 Ultra for 200.00 . Verizon gave me 1100 for my Note 20 ultra 5g with a cracked screen.
Less value is good for second hand consumers so I want the prices to drop off.
Are OnePlus still using Hasselblad, or was that just a gimmick and they got bored with it?
They are, but they need to work a little harder. It's not bad just not as good.
It should use "pixel" instead of hasselblad. :D
@@serrael-182 I've bought a Pixel 8 Pro. Excellent device.
@@Gary0557😂😂😂
Maybe search a little bit about comparison video of benchmark and battery life
@@Gary0557 The camera is great. I just need better batterylife and the speakers are worse than on my s21 plus but yes not a bad buy. If theres not s crazy good deal i will probably wait another year.
Yes. Yes it is. I bought the one plus and ultra at same time. Ultra so much better camera wise. Not so great in hand. ( Its huge) but the one plus went back
Reading all these comments you'd think the Oneplus had the best camera ever...do our eyes lie? Lol
IMO the Samsung over sharpens the image too much and the colors are unrealistically vibrant. The OnePlus 12 photos look more natural and less processed
The colors weren't more natural though...there is a difference between more natural and being closer to what is actually there. The blue on the left side of the plushies is way out of whack, same with the darker outdoor image, and the flower didn't look like that either. The color is off.
4 years updates and 5 security is enough
The oneplus 12 competes with the S24 plus and the Pixel 8 pro, not the Ultra. The Ultra is undoubtedly the more premium device.
Maybe we should stop trying to convince people that the OnePlus 12 competes with the S24 Ultra 🤷🏽♂️
The only thing the OnePlus 12 does better than the S24 Ultra is fast charging, the S24 Ultra charges 30 minutes faster than the iPhone 15 Pro Max, but that doesn't automatically make the S24 Ultra a better smartphone than the 15 Pro Max (although, personally, I think the S24 Ultra is a much better smartphone than the 15 Pro Max ).
The OnePlus 12 is a very good smartphone, a pretty good deal, but it competes more with the S24 Plus (which is better than it, by the way), than with the S24 Ultra / iPhone 15 Pro Max.
🙏🏽
You are not serious are you?
OnePlus 12 can't compete with S24U? ... You know detailed specification for both phones right?
Maybe trying watching mrwhotheboss video about OP12 ... If you are not sheep... You will understand OnePlus 12 is toe to toe with S24U
@@LX_B Lol 😂 Mrwhotheboss, 🙄
@@rolins3279 thanks to his awesome video I m enjoying quite powerful device with way lesser price 😉... It's more smooth than S24U lol ... I tried both in hand