What's behind Jos Verstappen escalating Red Bull's Horner crisis
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- Опубликовано: 21 май 2024
- The controversy surrounding Red Bull and its F1 team boss Christian Horner has descended into crisis after extraordinary tension within the team was made public by Max Verstappen’s father Jos.
F1’s season opener was dominated by Red Bull with a one-two for world champion Max Verstappen and team-mate Sergio Perez, but the curtain-raiser was overshadowed constantly through a remarkable week in Bahrain.
And what was a dream start on-track has been nothing less than a nightmare off it.
Red Bull and Horner hoped a line could be drawn under the allegations about his conduct towards a female member of staff when the parent company dismissed a “grievance” against him on the eve of the new season.
Instead, it has escalated to new heights, culminating in Jos Verstappen’s shock warning that Red Bull Racing will “explode” if Horner remains in charge.
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0:00 Intro
0:48 A series of extraordinary events
2:54 'Red Bull will explode'
4:30 Civil war
6:40 What happens next?
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if anyone knows Jos Verstappen and his past, nothing he says can be taken with credibility
Well you can't take Horner and red bull and seriously either after lying that he is innocent. The screenshots are absolutely real if they weren't they would have instigated a legal action which wouldn't have been difficult because the documents were posted if Google driver linked to Google mail which is legally traceable
On*
YES!
@@MuhammadNiz007I mean with ai nothing is trustworthy these days
@@gamechip06 its not about the pictures so its not about AI. If Horner decides to post Nipple and D***pics thats his doing... the texts are real and show what a poor guy Horner is.
Jos Verstappen: Legendary advocate for the well-treatment of women
She walked into my fist officer I promise. I did nothing
That's putting it mildly knowing his history, history of domestic abuse, bit loose wth the fists. I'm not sure if true but I heard the lady is Jos his girlfriend. All of the sudden the leaks make sense now and him wanting Horner gone.
While I agree he has a frankly terrible history with women. I see this as more a reputational damage that could hurt Red Bull, and by proxy Max, as such Jos knowing how much harm even just having an accusation of this type will do wants Horner gone.
Jos treats women equal to man. He also beat up his own father 😂
And the complaining woman is not even a victim. She was a willing participant.
The irony of Jos, the man who assaulted someone fracturing his skull and earned a 5 year (suspended) sentence, who was charged with assaulting Max's mom, who was convicted of violating a restraining order and who was arrested for attempted murder for allegedly driving a car at his ex-girlfriend, calling for Horner to step down is wild....
Yo is all that true? The attempted murder bit too? Surely not.
my thoughts exactly - he should learn from Max and shut the hell up
Its ok cause max took daniel krvats partner and child. She was in the redbull team. Its a family business for jos
That is called "a low blow"@@paulgerrard9227
@@PaddyMcMe This was just an accusation, he was neither charged nor sued. The other ones seem legit though, the sentence is a fact, restraining order dtto.
Red Bull wouldn't ever have existed without Horner in the early days Horner brought in DC and DC persuaded Newey to jump ship.
Newey is red bull , without him they are nothing . Cristian may have talked him into joining red bull , but that dosnt make him god . Far from , he is still just a employed leader . And theres plenty of those , so no sweat if he got the boot .
Jos: There's tension at Red Bull.
Christian: ...whenever you are around.
True. I used to dislike Max but nowadays I dislike his dad a lot more. Max has grown up.
And this is an SF tifosi speaking.
@@albertusaswin2012 Jos is going sloppies?
True!
Yes, even he insulted Checo trying to rebuild himself. And just adding insult to his already bad mental spiral. Very uncalled from Jos. Definitely being too strict on anyone who isn't his son Max.
No individual is bigger then the team. Red Bull is Horner/Marco. Thus if Jos is not careful he may cause Max to be dropped.
It is time that Max tell daddy that he is old enough to make his own decisions. Joss interfering to such an extent is just pathetic.
its unbecoming for daddy to intervene in a professional team
I doubt Max can controll Jos
Probably Horner has been sendings SMS to Jos
@@HerrStaaleagree, jos is a timebomb.
I thought so too at first, because I don't like all this tacky gossip, innuendos and boulevard press speculations, especially not around this team and the risc it might disturb the whole team and Max' season.
But it happens to be so that Jos has a business based upon his son Max' success, and there's also Max' manager. They both have a direct interest in everything concerning the current and future position(s) of Max, so you can't really expect them to be just silent, passive spectators.
Having said that, like most people, I have no inside knowledge about which potential issues are at play here. So I won't join the crowd gossipping, speculating and accusing. 🤷🏻♂️
But these type of social media fuzz and how a part of the crowd go wild as if they all have crystal ball or think they are knowledgeable psychologists, prove why there's such a big market for boulevard press tabloids.. 🙄
Jos Verstappen: "Make sure you CC me when you leak those documents!"
Seems like Jos is the one who needs to leave RB or else the team will “explode”
But why does he think that? His son is in the best car and making the biggest driver salary. Isn't it strange that Jos is suddenly demanding that the team boss leaves?
@@ppeaster he doesn't. British press makes those story's up.
Something tells me that Jos has something to do with the whole story.
Oh 1000%
"Something"? You mean everything. Jos has everything to do with it. The speculation is that Jos is somehow involved with the female employee.
haha no he doesnt, makes zero sense, all these gossip girls coming out of their caves suddenly
@@mrRTvidsJos is that you??
Maybe it's because he sticks out like a sore thumb on the list of recipients of the email. Why didn't Perez's dad receive the email, he's as affected by Horner's situation even if he isn't the stronger of the 2 drivers. Why Jos is the only person on the list that doesn't fall into the category of F1 official, Team Boss or Journalist. The obvious reason he is on the list is as a flimsy alibi (why would he have the email sent to himself)
Jos is not even a member of the team. Tell him to go sit in the grandstands.
That's the thing, if Max wants him there, there is nothing RB can do.
@quierover4locas Yes they can!... he is employed to do a job like anyone else.... do you take your father to work with you?... any company would be like WTF you're an adult!! is he here to change your nappy and feed you a mommy's breastfeeding milk bottle! Jeez.
No fan of Lewis Hamilton, but at least he had the balls to tell his dad to sling his hook and get his own life!
No but he's dating Horner's PA, or at least he was. Hence his involvement. Horner told the PA to break it off with Jos, hence he's pissed along with older stuff re Horner trying to force out Marko last year who Jos/Max like more than horner
@@quierover4locasWhat are you babbling about? RB can just tell Jos to F off and don't allow him in the paddock. If Max wants to get upset about that he can feel free. He's under contract for a very long time.
@@red5standingby419 why haven't they done it? It isn't the first time...
My only memory of Jos Verstappen as a F1 driver is running into the back of Juan Pablo Montoya while JPM was lapping him
I remember his car catching fire in the pits. He later claimed that he put out his cigarette before he came in.
Funny; I thought at first your memory was when you were an F1 Driver LOL
the RB organisation should block further access of jos. He is damaging the team and his son. embarrassing team and Netherlands
And how do you think that will go over with Max? Not well one would think. At the end of the day, Horner’s talents are replaceable and Max Verstappen is not.
@@stevendufour any other driver on that grid would give anything to be in that car right now.
Max is a very good driver but definitely replaceable.
Imagine Jos Verstappen taking any form of moral high ground when it comes to inappropriate Conduct 🤣
exactly - roflmao
Best comment right here 👍
Apple doesn't fall far from the tree... Like father, like son.
Lmao!! So true! That goof
“I decided to part ways with my dad to make decisions for myself,” Lewis said on the podcast. “There was a period where we spoke less.” However, their professional split ultimately helped to repair their father-son connection. “I really just wanted him to be my dad"
The only credit I give to Hammy.
Spot on
Race car driving isn't what it use to be when I was a kid
I did not know that. How come you raise a more interesting point then ANYONE in the media? What are you doing with your life and why are you not a f1 reporter?
@@zelig1799 Maybe you're too young to remember it, were you watching F1 in 2010?
I'm definitely not an F1 expert.
Mercedes or any other team considering taking Max will have to consider very carefully how to manage Jos. I wouldn't be surprised if internal pressures from Jos end up with Max (sooner or later) retiring and moving to racing WEC or anything else to stay away from toxic Jos. Max loves racing, and Jos' behaviour, sadly, damages his image.
All Max has to do is side line Joss unless he falls into line and stops sh.t stirring.
Time to show whether you're a man or your fathers puppet Max!
@@jackdominiak445Jos is and has always been abusive, and like any abuser, he wields an incomprehensible level of power within the relationship. Add to that, Max genuinely believes that he owes his success to Jos, that he wouldn’t be where he is if Jos hadn’t dedicated so much to his racing
@@valerierodger I believe max owes his father his connection so max could get into his current position.
@@lunascomments3024 You may be right, but at some point Max has to choose whether or not to lead his own life. It's worth remembering that Hamilton ditched his own father when the latter started to interfere too much.
Toto can’t loose. A friendly chat can start many destructive rumours lol. Horner protested every single Mercedes innovation. Now the others turn.
Jos Verstappen is an embarrassment. He should just be relegated to the same area where Nelson Piquet sits.
Does Max have the balls to tell his old man he isnt welcome in the paddock? If Horner did something wrong, he needs to be held accountable. But if Jos just doesnt like him, he could be screwing up his own son's winning combo.
Scared of being hit you know
Jos says and does everything Max can't.
If Jos didn't exist Max would have to invent him.
Don't be sucked into thinking Max is just a bystander.
He benefits from his father's meddling.
@@space.youtube Normally I would agree with you but how would Max benefit from Horner's scandal or from Horner leaving? Horner loves Max, he built the team around him. Max had full support to win 3 titles in a row. What could Max possibly have against Horner to want him out so much?
im maybe max fanboi but i would say the chance of a fight between son and father is greater that between christian and max .. Jos is agressive and can push max into unwated decisions (like quit RB ) and Max can resist to that .. assuming max isnt angry on christian already for those dickpics ..
@@mopslikvonsteinHow has Checo been doing since Jos lamented RB didn't favour his son enough? 🤔
Seriously, if you can't see how Jos' interference has helped Max, you aren't paying attention. The story literally goes to great lengths to describe the power struggle within RBR, and yet you seem to be oblivious to the fact.
The question isn't whether Horner has helped Max, it's whether he stands in the way of them (Max and Jos) having carte blanche at RBR.
Jos Jos Jos... This is the same guy who along with his son assaulted a man in 1998 at a karting event which left him with a fractured skull. The outcome was a five year sentence which was suspended because they settled with him out of court. Then in 2008 Jos was charged with assaulting Max's mother Sophie Kumpen , but while he was ultimately cleared of that charge he was found guilty of breaching a restraining order. And then again in 2012 this very nice and cool calm Jos was reported that he had been arrested for attempted murder after allegedly driving a car at his ex-girlfriend. Id say this guy loves to stay out of trouble. lol
same son who assaulted ocon..it's the only way the pukes know how to communicate...someone needs to rearrange Verstappen's horrible looking mouth and teeth...
The same one that while being an F1 driver had the balls to take off the leader of a race while he was running P20... yeah that quality.
The same guy who along with his son assaulted a man in 1998……. Max is 26 now, you know how old he was back then?
Do you have a source for this? CH may need protection from a vengeful dad in the paddock. 😮
Underrated comment
Helmut Marko has been surpringly quiet
Good. Hes a toxic old man that has very little of worth to say about anything
He's most likely the main instigator, that's why.....using Joss as his lose cannon
He'll be here all night folks! 😆
One silver lining!!!
more like nobody cares about whatever he says anymore after his remarks on perez
Sounds like the problem is Jos not Christian. He seems to have gotten too big of a head. The problem is with these anonymous leaks is that you could generate all of that with AI. I agree with Christian taking a stand after he apparently fully cooperated with the head companies investigation.
Why on earth would you use AI to make fake WhatsApp messages? You’re underestimating the power of MS Paint!! 😂
AI 😂 please!
Those are legit texts, no one who's worth their salt is disputing that. I personally don't think they warrant Horner being fired though
@@illbeV.they’re legitimate because you say so? Sorry, but anyone worth their salt understands those texts, or more accurately, photos of texts, could be made by a third grader, and several reputable people have said they didn’t trust that they were genuine. Jos is using this as a power play and his twin brother Zach Brown is using it to try to disrupt Red Bull because his team can’t compete on track. Toto was doing the same, but now has his own fire to put out. Most people are saying they want transparency in the process, but slick back Zack wants to be a part of the process, partly because he’s largely irrelevant and mostly because he knows they can’t catch Red Bull on track, so the only option he has is to hope they self destruct. Sorry to rant, I know some of that was off topic but I just watched another TP presser with a fat man in Orange saying the word transparency forty seven times. I think he wants to meet whoever made the sa accusations and conduct his own investigation into Horners underwear drawer. God I hate that guy. He’s a bigger tattle tail than Russell and whines more than LH on half used tires. Why did he have to be American? So ashamed.
Jos Verstappen is an absolutely oudious figure, this is the same guy who refused to celebrate a Perez victory. Horner has been at it for a long time, working his way up, and now that Dietrick Mateschitz is gone, you will unfortunately start to see these narcissistic morons trying their best to undermine the organisation structure they have never even built. So good luck to Horner.
I'm no Jos Verstappen fan, but him not celebrating Checo's victory has long been debunked with literal video evidence of him congratulating Perez seconds after that infamous camera shot of him with his classic Jos RBF. Basically if Newey ever decided to jump ship, I think Max would jump with, but Max isn't leaving the winning team even if Horner is there and has potentially done something wrong---still no details, so I'm not pointing fingers this way or that, just yet, but where is he going to go now in reality....he's not joining Ferrari now with Hamilton, Mercedes still sucks, and those are the only options. r
I read about the way he treated Max as a kid just to push him to become a great driver so he can selfishly live through Max to become a champion.
He was lucky Max turned out ok and doesn't have huge personality flaws.
Yes a victory that was won by deliberately crashing. I hate Max but I envy the Max camp
@@flyaway6671 I'm fairly sure Max has some personality flaws although at least they're not as severe as Jos’s personality issues. That and at least with Max you can explain them a bit as he had an absolute nutcase of a father called Jos.
@@MuhammadNiz007 LOL delulu, how come max was never acting like this in carting, renault racing f3 or early days of f1? it was only towards "lewis" and lewis has a history of toxic behavoir on track and in garage towards his teammates but you dont want to talk about that? perhaps its not max but delulus playing the victim here?
Jos living his life through Max..
Max was bred to drive cars
I’ve never really thought Max has wanted all this. We may learn someday that he didn’t.
No shit..!!!
Do you confuse Max with Lewis or Esteban? Jos was always a very reach man and he built Max from a little kid
You mean Max is living his life through Jos. He should have never been involved in his life after leaving Max at a gas station as a child. The man needs serious mental treatment.
Funny. I have to deal with parents like this on my kid’s travel team too. 😂
Imagine your dad talking to media and trashing your employer.
Imagine your employer carrying out a disciplinary hearing in the press
@@jamesmcgee157they didn’t.
the fact that Jos is on that list of who the email was sent to is extremely suspicious, personally it feels like this entire saga is an attempt by Jos to get rid of horner because Jos cant control everything about Maxs life/career anymore
Yeah i think thats exactly what happened
I don’t see how it’s ’extremely suspicious if more then 100 key figures are on that list.
In the end, Jos, asshole or not, cares about one thing. The best for his son and indirectly himself. And he is not afraid to ‘sacrifice’ some people or full teams in getting that.
And with this, he is not loyal by any standards (although in his f1 career teams were also not loyal to him so that might have added to this attitude). And this includes being loyal to RBR or Horner. Despite what they have done for his son in the past.
@@frituurvlieg Its suspicious because he has no actual power in F1. he's not an employee of anyone of significance he's just the dad of a driver.
Everywhere that man has been as a driver or otherwise he has caused nothing but trouble for any & all he was working with.
Bet you guys are Lulu fans believing whatever the media says 😢
Is Jos the right person to have any say in these things? I mean.. just look at all things he has been sentenced for.
But…but..he made Max Verstappen!! So he has a say!!!!
@@eddie5680 He is living his life through his son, after a less than stela F1 career
As long as the team has Adrian and a maximized budget, everyone else is interchangeable.
Imagine if Redbull splits into two and they decide to keep one team each, RB and Redbull. And then we have this story of intense rivalry.
The Dassler brothers. Adidas & Puma. 😂
Ban Jos from the garage at every race.
He can go sit in the vip area and sulk there.
Yes!
Problem is, Jos should not wield any Influence in the team, so if he does as you say, then he is the first that should go even before Horner.
Right, so, your suggestion for resolving the issue is to anger the best driver in the world right now by getting rid of his father - an irreplaceable person - and not the guy who started the whole mess and could be replaced in a hot minutes? Not the fastest engine in the garage, are you?
@@philsurteeshow can Horner be replaced in a hot minute? Matteschitz gave Horner the freedom to construct RBR as it is today. Horner made RBR from a small team to the multibillion dollar behemoth, that it is today. Its the reason Adrian Newey works for them, as many other talented people who admire Horners leadership and want to work for Red Bull in long term. To destabilise Horner at all is the dumbest thing that anybody could ever do to RBR as a team, as it would always threat their success.
Also: he wants to ban Jos, not unalive and bury. There is no need to replace Jos and Max should be old enough to drive even if daddy watches his race in TV and not in the paddock. Max might even be clever enough to see what his father does and that it might hurt his own agenda even more. Let's be real here: if max leaves RB for Mercedes, he may not be able to win a title until 26, maybe even never again. He won't get that much influence as he got in RBR, coz everybody would know the lose gun Jos will come with him.
@@Vracka I see you're another slow car at the back the grid!
I think we should all be happy that Jos is using his words instead of his fist like he normally does
It amazes me that more people haven’t figured out that sending all that stuff to 100 people after the investigation cleared him is a definitive sign this was a hit job.
Exactly, and one of them being Jos Verstappen. It's like seeing it was sent to 100x F1 personnel, and Mr Smith the Greengrocer.
Horner needs to put Jos in check.
By sexting more girls in the team?
Well the last time he tried that he got all his personal life put on blast so maybe he should have used more tact
Max needs to put Jos in check, like Lewis had to.
Well he did, told him to stop dating his PA Fiona... you see the mess now because Horner is the Perpetrator, not Jos.
@@wraitheful think it’s kind of ludicrous to not realize that at this point Jos is doing what Max wants in a good cop/bad cop relationship
Christian should go ahead and ban Jos from accessing RB paddock. I’m leaning more and more towards believing that Christian is innocent and Jos is just trying to get him fired because he’s somehow calculating that he’ll eventually be the TP or one of the main decision makers for the racing operation once Christian is ousted. I think Max should also stand up to his dad and tell him to shut up if he doesn’t want Christian gone. I can’t think of any reason why he would want that.
I don't even think it's a ply for a position so much as Horner is one of Jos' biggest detractors. IIRC Horner has openly said he feels Jos is a bad influence on Max and that race weekends go smoother when he's not there.
I dont believe this has anything to do with Jos, this is the UK Press trying to get clicks, which is why I do not subscribe to this crap.
In a perfect world, I would love to see Max just screw over Jos and Horner, and sabotage his own races, by engaging in some actual competitive racing with others on the grid, showing some character and integrity, and let someone else win,… thus putting all fans of racing in F1, out of our misery!😮😳👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙏🏻👩🏻🦰💜🐑🐏
If you think he's innocent read the texts, he's clearly flirting with the girl and she clearly tries to put him off in a couple of them. Horner didn't do anything monstrous don't get me wrong, he was just an overbearing flirt which given the power dynamic can be construed as manipulative, I don't think he did anything terrible but he ain't innocent.
@@debi8494 That's a very weird take.
Irony is if it's a behaviour / conduct issue, it's not a playground Jos wants light on himself for. I'd like to see a vid summarising some of his finer moments over the years.
Joss, like everyone with any real juice in RBR, is jockeying for a shot at running the show. Mateschitz left no marching orders for the company moving forward. Ego is a helluva drug.
Dietrich DID organise everything for after his death actually….. but that doesn’t mean that ppl like what Dietrich arranged…
Jos's girlfriend was Horner's PA. Horner told her to stop seeing him. Jos's girlfriend reports Horner. Jos is adds fuel to the fire. Red Bull should ban Jos from the RB factory, team. Max needs to make a choice, as Hamilton did.
Yes exactly. I’m not sure many of these new fans know anything about the problems Anthony caused for Lewis and he had to distance himself business wis from his father.
Max is very loyal to his father. Very loyal. As his father is to him.
Who is she?
It's not that I don't believe that could happen but a credible source would be appreciated.
Brilliant job dragging Hamilton into this. You seriously comparing Lewis's dad to Max's?
RedBull is what it is today BECAUSE of Horner, kicking him out will quite literally be the end of the team in a way.
Absolutely! Would anybody out there want to be unjustly kicked out of their job with unproven accusations? No - I didn’t think so.
:D .. you're funny ... you ever hear of Adrian Newey ..
@@3storiesUp does Adrian Newey handle the team ? No, just like each member has their own role.
@@3storiesUpI know right, their cars would be nowhere near the front if it weren't for Newey. Horner just has to make sure Newey gets his checks and keep the toxic cut throat team atmosphere going, nothing special about his leadership style.
@@3storiesUpWhat about him?
The title of this video is misleading. "The Race" did nothing to explain the escalation of the Horner crisis.
Jos calling out Horner after the Red Bull investigation concluded is most certainly an escalation of events surrounding Horner.
Imagine having your dad show up to your place of work and talk shit about your boss. Max needs to tell his dad to STFU.
It's a power play. Plain and simple. Jos wants complete control of Red Bull.
he just wants to be a nikki lauda type worshipped figure
from talent scout to team principle, thats a bit far fetched.
His dad is just a really bad person. Nothing more nothing less.
Or maybe he is more involved in the scandal at a personal level.
why does this feel like a power grab to me??
8:16 anything coming from Jos hardly constitutes as 'friendly' fire
I'm just here buying stocks in popcorn companies for when Drive To Survive shows us the inside track on this a year from now.
1. Was there something really incriminating in the documents, if at all they were real?
2. Why the woman did not filed a complaint with the law enforcement, if it is that serious why is she stopping short of going the legal way?
They are real, I got them and I tested them for AI manipulation. Its sexual harassment and thats not illegal - only reprehensible...
@@realmceronorofl, you 'tested' them.... I'm convinced!
@@marcovalk7845 for real...
The messages disclosed are clearly only one side of a conversation in which she was reciprocating. Horner was probably shagging her, but that’s not a crime. Her trying to extort a promotion out of him is.
As a mercedes fan this is fucking gold 😂😂😂😂😂
This has been reviewed internally. If accuser is not satisfied, she can petition to the government authorities for resolution. These emails and pictures are not verified. That pretty much sums of the facts that we know. As for Jos daddy, he has a known background which questions his reliability of telling the truth. He sees only one aspect of Red Bull's operation so to say that this is breaking up or bringing in turmoil inside Red Bull is all speculation. If Jos can pry Max away from Red Bull, so be it. I would rather the management calls the shots than some prima donna to control a team.
Can you guys provide some more information on the lengthy investigation? I thought it took a long time because the lawyer was on vacation
The length of the report should tell you that the investigation took a long time.
What more could Jos want? And who does he back for TP, himself? They should never have let him into the garage.
Jos is a TOXIC presence at RB, nobody is bigger than a team and nobody is indispensable. The only ones to decide what to do is RB parent company and if in the end they decide that Horner stays because of a "not guilty" outcome, then the Verstappens are free to go anywhere to try to control a racing team. Now I uderstand why Checo Pérez finished last season too far from Max.
😂 Jos made Checo crash you mean? Deluded much 😂😂😂😂
It's already VERY sus that the team principles were among the recipients but it's EXTREMELY sus that Jos was a recipient...
Jos was behind sending the email… Checo’s dad didn’t get the email…
I think we're going to continue hearng about this during the week after the race.
The fact that Jos still has a voice after all the shit he's done, is ridiculous.
It's like Michael Vic complaining to Joe's Crab Shack for animal cruelty
This smacks of someone with an ax to grind. They know they have no legal case so they leaked the texts to smear and put pressure on RB
Leaking emails is also much, much, much cheaper and very much quicker than bringing legal action. Not only that, you can do a lot more harm.
Exactly. And those who send that email are Jos and Fiona….
Well everyone had hoped for more competition after 2021. Looks to be going well.
:) this is the perfect story for a new season of "Drive to survive"
Dont think i have ever met someone who likes jos... and i live in the Netherlands😂
Jos the helicopter parent. Max lacks the balls to tell Daddy to mind his own business.
Most of people at that age are independent, but Max seems to be grabbing his daddys arm all the time. Wouldn't wonder if Jos was doing Kelly too
@@gringostarr69That’s a really good thought!🤔🤔
@@gringostarr69oh boy Max is really filling your mind with hate 😂😂😂
@@Redlingstein Not Max, he is a byproduct of his father and he is what he is, but I can't stand Jos. I have seen Jos taking his first podium (with luck) in F1 live, when Brundle had an engine failure on the last lap at hungaroring 1994. Actually my first live gp and I was there with my dad rooting my countrymen Häkkinen and Lehto. World back then had no internet and news travelled not as fast we were travelling 1,5 months in car through Europe like we did every summer.
It was a bummer to see that neither of them were on the grid. From JJ it was quite sure he wouldn't drive, but had no idea that Mika had a race ban. Got sit in "his" car at shell station close to the circuit (a show car undoubtly), so still unforgettable memory.
Sorry for going to memory-lane :D
Jos has shown his colours so many times and he is arrogant prick.. Beats his wifes, own father and undoubtly Max too when he was a child.
So, no Max doens't bring hate to me but the way Jos works does. I've talked with his ex teammate Mika Salo, and he has told me that he was the hardest teammate to work with in his career and has nothing good to day about him.
@@RedlingsteinNot Max, but Jos..
Can't stand the man. I was there on sight at my first live gp 1994 when he luckily got his first podium.
I was there with my dad to root my countryman Mika, but we learned day before the race that he had race ban. And JJ couldn't drive that Benetton either cause he wasn't healed enough. Jos was almost a lap down and on final lap Brundels car had an engine failure.
Anyways, Jos has always been like that. Bearing wifes, his dad, other people and propably his son too.
My countryman Mika Salo told that Jos was the worst and angry teammate he ever had and their relations never healed.
So no, Max doesn't bring hate to me. He is a a capable driver in the best car on the grid. And 3 time champ..
But his dad is a maniac and him I can't stand. He should be banned from grid. He is not at RB's payroll if Im right..
this situation was "friendly" fire since day one
I think you forgot to distinguish a few times who you were talking about when you said "Red Bull" -- as in the last sentence: "Red Bull will have hoped the matter was dealt with". Yes, Red Bull Formula One Racing Team no doubt will have hoped that. But Red Bull its parent company is clearly not happy with the issue seeming to have been dealt with.
it all started when Checo won Monaco 2022 and Jos Verstappen was furious, and believed that Max should have won demanding that Red Bull limit Checo to a No. 2 driver,
You're not wrong there, that was the mysterious start to Checo having "problems" with his car so he essentially quiet quit the team Botas style in protest. They had to bring in Danny Ric as a threat to get Perez to tow the company line again.
This was that time when Jos Verstappen complained when Perez won and Horner replied, "This is Red Bull Racing, not Verstappen Racing".
Nope. It started when Dietrich, the REAL RB BOSS died…..from that moment everyone wanted the power…
@@anydaynow01😂😂😂Checo crashed on purpose….. and you claim it was arranged 😂😂😂
@@anydaynow01the problem in Checo’s car was Checo crashing it in Quali’s and during overtakes, Checo getting zillion of track limits in Austria and Qatar…. The one in the seat with the steering in his hand did that…on track…
Stop being so deluded 😂
Hot take, Jos paid an employee to make the allegations toward Horner.
backed by Toto and Bacon-roll Zak
@@anettebianca6855 I am not sure that that bit is true, but I would bet a few quid that Jos is behind it all
Max needs to tell his father to stop. Max isn’t racing go carts as an 8 year old. He is an adult.
There’s rumour that Max has a clause in his contract (along with Adrian Newey and other key senior staff) that they can exit their contracts if Horner leaves…is Jos sacrificing Christian to allow Max to jump ship in 2025? Sounds daft if RB have a dominant car…but I wonder how RB Powertrains are getting on with development on the Power Unit for the 2026 rules refresh? Surely Jos isn’t daft enough to destabilise the team without a plan? I’m no RB fan, but Horner is clearly an effective, talented and successful leader…who would Jos rather be in charge of the team?
Jos would like Jos in charge of the team
Does Jos think clearly when is angry ? There is a great deal of evidence that says that he doesn't. I think it is more likely to be a personal vendetta against Horner, and hang the consequences.
Maxipad can’t drive anything but a Red Bull! Don’t be fooled, he’s not going anywhere. If he doesn’t have the balls to stand up to his father, he doesn’t have the balls to move to another team! He’s a coward with a fast car!🤡
Can someone PLEASE link me where did Jos Verstapen said all of this, video or actual interview?
Because as I wrote one fb:
"Its not Jos or Horner, its media who wants them torn apart. I searched everything, and everything they post is 'speculation' or said by source close to Jos 😅 while he denies it... no body actually read article, just missleading headlines.
They know as much people praise Newey or Max, Horner is as much if not bigger part of succes, so they want eather get rid of him, or make Max choose beatween father or RB."
Sourcs: trust me bro.
Dig your head out from where you buried it in the sand. A simple Google search for the phrase he used will lead you to the interview.
And anybody who has been paying attention knows that Jos has been notoriously difficult for teams to deal with throughout Max’s junior career, to the point where RB laid down the law about that behaviour when Max joined the team. However, Jos has been getting increasingly cocky since Max became a world champion, and increasingly pissy since Monaco 2022.
Jos is going to ruin things for Max and Red bull. He still thinks he's the jos the boss. He needs to be banned from the red bull garage and factory.
If you received the email with the leak. Did you happen to look at the email header to gain some knowledge on who sent this?
It's pretty easy to set up an anonymous email account 😕
@@vasil7410 that is not my question, I wanted to know if they looked at the email header
@@vincentmetallive This was clearly a well-planned attempt to disrupt Horner and the team so I am sure they would have taken precautions to hide their identity. The email header isn't going to reveal much if they sent the email using a web-based email service with an anonymous account and a VPN to disguise their computer's IP address.
@@vasil7410 again, not my question.
Jos and Fiona are behind that email… thats Jos was one of the ones receiving the email, and not Checo’s dad…, and that’s whyJos was at the track in the RB garage duringFP3… to give himself an alibi…
Funny how jos verstappen got the email talk about backstabbing lmao
Jos send the email, ofc he included himself in the receivers…
Jos Verstappen should mind his own business and stay out of it.
HE's a hot head with a very shady past involving lots of violence so he's the last person to have a say in any of this.
BTW Anytime someone chooses to not go to the authorities but to the media in an attempt to ruin someone's reputation I'm very suspicious.
Rumours are Jos was/is dating the woman Horner has got all hot under the collar about
What did the messages say does anyone know ?
Do a quick search online…they’re all over the internet! It’s easy to find.
Imagine the Drive 2 Survive producers were behind the leak to create more drama to add to the show 😂
I guess this is what happens when you build your team around one driver ...
The team started in 2005 …..Max came in 2016….. build the team around Max? You forgot Seb? DC, Webber..DR…
RBR has never been build around a driver lol
It will be interesting to see how Red Bull will respond to this. Usually the teamboss is there for the longer term and drivers are just passing by. If Red Bull will choose sides for Verstappen it will be clear that they are not behind the results of the investigation of Horner. As for Jos, why is he doing this, is this really in the best interest of Max? Time will tell.
Maybe Jos wants to activate the get out clause in that if Horner leaves then Max can move to another team. Further more, he wants to make sure RB is not competitive if he does by making Newey join Ferrari with the same (alleged) get out clause in his contract. So max fills the seat at Merc, Newey jumps to Ferrari, Horner not leading. Max in the pound seats.
Newey to Ferrari will never happen. He has turned them down on numerous occasions because he prefers Sunninghill to Maranello.
and last year when I posted Lewis to Ferrari everyone said no chance. Now there's talk that Ver is doing exactly what I am saying.@@hb1338
Maxipad can’t drive anything but an Adrian Newey designed car! He’s not leaving….
@@blackgirlsrock264oh your jealousy is all too clear 😂😂😂Enjoying this season so far?
So what happened and what's the drama about?
I understand that a combination of this title/video will get a lot of clicks. But shame on you, everyone at “the Race”. You’re throwing oil on a fire that was nearly extinguished. This is a situation that should be handled internally. How about you guys go back to making respectable and fun Formula 1 content?
Cant wait for the next season of drive to survive
Can you guys do something about the constant annoying boom sounds? It's really getting on my nerves.
Jos Verstappen always looked like he had two chips on each shoulder since his days at the back of the grid.
I love individuals decisions to not simply mind their own business. If it does not pertain to you, don't fkn worry about it. The world.. needs that advice.
Unbelievable infighting at Red Bull. Should like an internal power struggle. Red Bull’s reputation damaged is just getting worse and worse.
My thoughts: engine regulations are about to change and RB decided to build their own engine which might be just not that good given they are not backed by a manufacturer with a lot of EV experience. A team who has been building great engines (Mercedes) just got a free spot. Max has a contract until 2028, if he wants to leave the team there likely is a clause in his contract, what if it's horner leaving red bull...
So why exactly does Jos have an Issue with Horner ? I wonder what is really going on behind the scenes...
Hmm the timing of this is all so curious…after the team was doing oh so good last year?
What an absolute joke. They didn’t do an investigation and they don’t care about what he did, and they are trying to sweep it under the rug and just move on. They need to fire his ass right now.
Horner is worth more to the team than the plaintiff. End of story.
Looking forward to next seasons Drive To Survive hahaha
So what exactly is the beef between jos and Horner. Does anyone know? Aside from the fact that they don't get on
Jos wants to control everything and make sure everything in the team is dedicated to Max. He was an absolute nightmare for the teams during Max’s junior career; Red Bull told him his behaviour would not be tolerated in their F1 team, but he has been pushing it more and more ever since Max became a world champion
Tell us the contents of the leaked material. And let the fans decide for themselves.
Netflix getting early storylines for next season
this story is absolutely wild. it's sad that the only interesting thing in F1 right now has nothing to do with the races.
Jos is not wrong considering the internal powerplay. Horner wants part own with the Thai. The way of communications is less subtle.. all sides involved
This is more important than what you think! They want to grab the power and control the company, I think they will split the team, Jos wants more control in RB, The only one who is blocking him is CH.
There's not much drama happening on track, so I suppose you need to create some off-track to keep those $ bills rolling in
The only strange thing here is some journalists who think that daddy is a figure and his statements matter
Nothing strange about that at all. It is clear that Verstappen senior is interfering in Red Bull, and the media are duly reporting that that is the case.
Dont quote “de telegraaf” they make the news themselves😂
It actually makes one wonder if Max is wanting Christian out also. Doubtful, but it is a possibility.
I’m no fan of Christian, but I’m definitely not a fan of Jo 😂 what a crazy rivalry which Jos took to the next level with this opportunity. I’m not a fan of Max either but feel for the guy, what noise his father brings to his life🍿
I watched this entire video and I still have no idea what happened lol😂
Jo's Verstrappon & John fury should grab a pint sometime.