Where in the world do you live as you may struggle to find one of these Nissan Patrols? We live in the UK where European emission rules are very strict. We’re currently on what’s called EU6 which involves such additions as Diesel Particulate Filters (DPF) and AdBlue which is added to the exhaust gases to reduce nitros-oxides. This vehicle though doesn’t comply with any of the European rules even though it’s quite a new vehicle. It’s referred to as a ‘Rest of the World’ (ROW) specification vehicle and used by the UN and Aid Agencies. We are still allowed to register it in the UK though due to a loophole in the law. The reason for this is that you may have seen (much clearer in our other videos) that it’s left hand drive (our UK cars are right hand drive). This is all to do with US Military personnel being stationed over here for a 3 year tour. If they bring their US cars with them, after one year they must be re-registered with UK number plates. Many (especially much older models) don’t comply with our emissions laws, but an exception is made for them. The way it was written into UK law though was that any left hand drive car could be registered and not meet the emissions regulations. If it was right hand drive we would never have been allowed to bring it onto the UK!
@@usmc03 We were running 0-30 Shell Helix oil in Siberia and had to bring it with us from the UK as there was none available in Yakutsk. Admittedly there is probably other 0-30 oil, but you’re assuming that Russians in far-eastern Siberia have the money available to spend on good quality oil - I think you’d be mistaken.
@DriventoExtremes yeah, a bit, but not as you're presenting it, like some kind of super performance miracle engine oil, shell is average, if you want the best, you can choose between liqui moly, motul, pennzoil and amsoil.
They are certainly good vehicles, but the Land Cruisers are probably a better option due to their abundant use around the world, which means lots of experienced mechanics everywhere and spares availability.
@@Ben_got_bored Modern engines are ultra efficient, which is a good thing, but in order to achieve this they are made to much finer tolerances and require lots of computer software to control the many sensors that monitor all parameters of engine load, temperature, altitude, etc etc. Unfortunately when operating in remote parts of the world, the fuel quality tends to be a lot poorer and engine components such as fuel filters and the injectors found on common rail engines just cannot cope with this quality. Check out our videos on the Vivaro Siberia Challenge where we were filtering grit that was coming out of a fuel pump (I’ve even filtered out pebbles before!). The poor quality fuel produces a lot more in the way of carbon deposits which cause problems with EGR valves and DPF filters. As for the ECU’s that monitor everything, well as we know, computers don’t like heat, dust, cold, vibration, dirt or water - everything you’ll experience on a remote vehicle expedition! The best option is to take advice I was taught whilst serving in the British Army - KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid. The more basic a vehicle you have, the better it will operate in remote parts of the world, being able to cope with poor fuel and tough conditions, plus being simpler to maintain and fixed by local mechanics.
It’s a fantastic engine, but surprisingly gutless! It doesn’t like to go much faster than 60mph / 100kph, but it will run forever and is incredibly simple to maintain.
@@182mcg1English have whatever is needed, we don’t see -80°C or F so we don't need a coolant that works at that temperature, at -80° oil is going to be your bigger problem. Not just engine oil but transmission oil as well, the engine maybe running 24/7 but the transmission is not generating any heat when stationary & very little heat when not stationary, I would imagine they use a trans oil heater.
I've seen some guy in fairbanks, alaska drive around to people whose vehicles aren't winterized and put what i think are heating blankets over the motor compartment under the hood. On the north slope of ak, they use big heaters that blow hot air via hoses.
@ When I was in the British Army I served as a helicopter technician with an Arctic Warfare unit. We used large ‘Gemini’ heaters that were about the size of a small car and towed behind a Land Rover. They had long hoses like tentacles coming out of them that would be inserted under the engine cowlings, by gearboxes and into the cabin. It took a while though to bring the aircraft up to temperature before we could start the engines.
That’s good advert for Shell, but you are making mistake, when stating that russians who live in such regions cannot afford to buy decent lubricants. It’s not a wasteland, and people are dependent on their vehicles, so cars are maintained well enough to run in any weather.
@@shaun900 Having been there during the depths of winter and the height of summer, I can tell you that summers in Yakutsk can get quite hot. The highest temperature recorded was +38.4 °C (101.1 °F) on 17 July 2011
@ With the lowest temperature recorded in Yakutsk at −64.4 °C and the highest at +38.4 °C, it means that the seasonal temperature differences for the region are the greatest in the world at 102 °C (184 °F)!
@@DriventoExtremes who do you try to fool? Just glanced wikipedia? If engine allows we use 5w30 down to -20 degrees, engine starts fine, for more coldest days we have pre-heaters, down to -40 they help, oil is not a problem, petrol is the problem.
@ The warmest day we had in Siberia was -42C and it went down to -60C. That’s why we had 0W-30 oil! The problem in fact is not the petrol, it’s the diesel which will start to wax up at -50C even if it’s Arctic diesel.
At least you guys get a winter... We don't even get a winter in West Virginia, Virginia and New York for that matter. It literally feels like we don't even get a winter anymore. 3 days of cold weather maybe 15 degrees Fahrenheit or a little lower at night and then bam it's backed up to 60. We basically don't have Winters anymore.
Oil is necessary in an engine as blood is in a body. There aren’t many shared functions, but who’s going to care in this context. I’ve used synthetic oil and fluids for decades, and I change engine oil, tranny fluid, and coolant twice as often as recommended. It sucks when one of my pickups holds about 3 gallons of oil and over 5 gallons of coolant, but extended oil changes are just deadly at lower miles, and especially when you get to the 3- 500,000 mile mark. The oil seems cheap when a replacement engine costs $25,000- $30,000 in the crate and the transmission costs between $5,000- $10,000 to replace. If you can do the maintenance and spend a little time each year removing salt/ dirt and adding a bit of FluidFilm, you’ll have a great truck for many years.
Wise words Bryan. On expeditions when fuel quality is poor, load being carried is heavy and the roads rough to cross, we aim to change our engine oil every 3,000 miles / 5,000 kilometres. We’d always use a good quality brand oil, synthetic if possible, but since working on this Shell project, we’ve always used their Helix oils. On very long expeditions such as our Vivaro Siberia Challenge, we can’t carry 4 complete oil changes with us, but we’ve never failed to find Shell Helix even in the remotest cities. It can take a bit of finding, but it’s there in a shop somewhere!
We had a Webasto fitted to our vehicle but never used it. If we had used it, the engine drive belts would have got cold, brittle and snapped, so much better to keep the whole engine running.
Agree, I have a Webasto factory installed engine and cabin heater in my 2014 VW Tiguan Tdi in Norway and that is just perfect, start it with a remote control from inside your warm home and in 15 minutes everything is nice and toasty.
People in Russia use webasto-like pre-heaters in winter. Many of us who live in places where winter is down to -30C have installed feature of starting engine by timer or by temperatures. With 5w30 i can start engine in -20C easily. Pre-heater exhaust can also be used to warm up a bit engine bay or oil pan, or whatever, it just needs smart thinking to mount exhaust pipe. There are blankets to reduce heat losses in more extreme conditions. The guys chose wrong cars or didn't prepare them well enough.
@@DriventoExtremesmaybe choose cars with a chain? 😉 Toyotas maybe? Or use electricity to warm up engine bay, my father used compact electric cooking stove put underneath the car. Smart thinking😉
I get it, I'd be leaving the car idling as well if it were minus 50. I'm from Northern Canada and even with 10w30 I can start my car in -45, but boy oh boy she was not happy about starting. If for some reason she doesn't then you are definitely burning that battery out with attempts, people who haven't experienced this level of cold don't get that their oil is essentially molasses and that engine turns very very slowly when cranking putting a hell of a load on that cold starter and cold battery. But this video made it look like you guys are filling this engine up with fresh oil everyday
We airlifted the two Nissan Patrols to Yakutsk and then changed the engine oil to 0W-30. From there it was a 1,200 mile round trip to Oymyakon, the coldest inhabited place. Shell were paying for all 3 programmes (coldest, hottest and toughest) which appeared on Discovery Channel globally, so these 'behind the scenes' videos were produced to add a bit more information to those interested in cars (as opposed to just being fans of Tom Hardy, Henry Cavill or Adrien Brody!). We changed the oil in Tomtor, about 20 miles from Oymyakon and it was purely for the benefit of the cameras as we didn't have to do it.
Why show he 20W-20 mineral oil? It is not enought to winter here in Europe neither. Why dont compare some regulary used oilgrades? The Shell use 0W oil. Correct. And how work the 5W-30 and 10w-40 and 15w-40? By the way, if you stop the engine and the oil is be cold and lumpy, yust set fire under the engine end warm the oilpan. 🔥 UPS! If it not blanketted with plastics and beware the other rubber and plastic elements! That is not a ZIL 130.
if there was a way to auto-start the engine for 10 min every 60 minutes, when the car is stationary and not in use.. so much saving yet i bet the engine will start again after only 50 min break
You certainly could do that, but would you trust an automatic stop start system to work? If it fails it’s a very cold walk home! When we were high in the mountains near Kubume en route to Oymyakon we camped overnight at -50C, so we did switch off the engine for an hour at a time to save fuel and also reduce the amount of exhaust gases that could have blown over the tents if the wind direction changed. This did mean though that one of us slept in each car to restart the engine and also drive it up and down a track for few hundred meters to stop the oil in the rear differential turning to jelly. In the city though you’d have to keep going outside to turn your engine back on and by the time you’d got dressed with multiple layers, walked out to your car, walked back in again and got undressed, it’s probably easier to just leave it running.
It was one of 30 ‘behind the scenes’ videos to accompany the 3 programmes broadcast on Discovery Channel Global. Here’s episode 1… ruclips.net/p/PLMFMZYWEkvl0O6utLJiECiGF7G3Z6coEB&si=oBmoN_k5_cQCIgxz
All pointless, the first thing they said was the engine is never turned off, so why should we care what the oil does in cold conditions, it's never getting cold. If anything the oil is under less stress because the ambient temperature is so much lower the oil is less likely to overheat & fail. Just a load of pretend drama to sell us oil 🤦🏻♂️
At -60C, frostbite is measured in minutes and life expectancy measured in hours. You obviously don’t value your life or that of your team if you opt to use low grade oil in such extreme conditions!
@ All oils, coolant and screw wash were Shell. Let me speak to our mechanic who prepared the 2 Nissan Patrols for Siberia (as well as the Taklamakan Desert & Malaysian Jungle) and I’ll get back to you.
@DriventoExtremes I would appreciate that out of curiosity, I live on the east coast of New Zealands north island, we get down to -6 and upwards of 40 degC so a reasonable variation, what was the oil consumption like with the TD42 and the 0w30, do you have any links to your trips and prep? Many thanks, I love this stuff ah.
@@undercoverpighunter I’ve spoken to our mechanic and unfortunately as it was some years ago we did this project he can’t remember all the details. What he did say though was…all the oils were fully synthetic - gearboxes, differentials etc. The coolant was neat, so no water added. The screen wash was also 100% neat so no water added. We had a fuel filter heater but he can’t remember which make it was. We also had a Webasto engine heater but didn’t use it as the engine was never turned off outside of the heated garages found in the city of Yakutsk and town of Khandygha. We still have the Nissan Patrols but they are stored with another of our expedition mechanics some 300 miles away, but I can ask him to have a look under the bonnet to see what fuel filter heaters are fitted.
Even batteries have a working temperature to prevent battery drain and prevent short lifespan , coupled with the burden searching for charging stations in a harsh environment is not something that could be recommended
So you’re saying that you should go to the expense of fitting a pre-heater, plus a large fuel tank to keep it running for at least 10 hours. What happens though to the oil that’s sitting in the engine sump - what keeps that warm? If it was such a good idea everyone in Siberia would be doing it. It’s so much easier (and better) to keep the engine running.
@@DriventoExtremes You don't have to warm up the oil to operating temperature, at -50C it's enough for the oil temperature to rise to 0C degrees. Pre-heaters are, of course, mainly installed on semi- trucks, but I don't know the reason why they are not widely used, perhaps because of the price and complexity of installation.
So what you’re saying is that a temperature of -60C has no affect on the temperature of the engine or the ability of the oil to work properly?! It’s interesting then that every car manufacturer recommends a different grade of oil depending on the temperature that the car will be operating in. I think you need to take them to court as they’ve obviously been conning us all these years!
And where are you going to find an electricity supply in remote parts of Siberia?! Even if you did find one you can’t rely on there not being power cuts. Plus what happens to the coolant at -60C? Even neat coolant will freeze, expanding as it does so and ruin your engine. Nice idea of yours but completely impractical!
You might this more interesting. Here’s the link to one of the 3 programmes that was aired on Discovery Channel… ruclips.net/p/PLMFMZYWEkvl0O6utLJiECiGF7G3Z6coEB&si=DLOHnloB2rzBAz_r
This vid scares the shit outta me. Since I hate idling anything 😆. Now Im wondering if changing my oil every 2k offsets the few times I went 5k without a change. Engine has 95k rn. Hemi 5.7. 🤙🍻
@@mattd5681 We sim to change our oil every 3,000 miles / 5,000km, especially on an overland expedition when we’ll experience poor quality fuel. This is another reason why you want to use good quality oil as it does a better job of capturing and holding onto carbon deposits, even after prolonged running.
I'm at 300,000 km with my 5.7 Hemi and I've been doing the oil changes, full synthetic, between 7,000 to 9,000 km. She still purrs and hasn't had any engine issues. Changing the oil very early on is just expensive over time, but it doesn't do any harm so if you have the money to spend and the time to waste, I don't see any issues with it.
@sacr3 Lemme know anything and everything about that truck that you've done We live Rural, and until the economy catches up I rely on one vehicle. And have to make sure she keeps going. 🤙🍻
@@Jag-leaper Never going to work in Siberia….or Africa…or Mongolia. The EV bubble is about to burst unless they can figure out a way of making a battery that doesn’t weigh almost a ton!
@I don’t know which part of the world you live in, but EV sales are falling off a cliff here in the UK. Many premium brand manufacturers such as Mercedes and BMW have already stopped production of some of their models. EV’s do have a place in the world (mainly cities on short commutes), but they are not the answer for most people.
Electric vehicles at this time are not all that reliable in cold weather, up here in Canada you lose up to 40% of your battery on very very cold days. Regardless, electric vehicles are definitely the future. Instant torque, significantly less moving parts, and to keep a fuel powered vehicle running you need refineries, you need massive freighters to transport the oil and refined oil, you need trucks to transport the fuel, you need gas stations to be constantly filled to supply the fuel and all of this requires the power grid to operate, from the gas stations to the refineries. Then you have to consider they do this year-round, trucks constantly traveling, refineries constantly operating, oil rigs constantly pulling, gas stations constantly operating also that your vehicle can operate. Whereas with electric you just have to make a plug and connect it to the grid. The end. Yet people will continue to complain about the lithium and the mines, using that for some reason as a good argument against electric vehicles. Meanwhile people use billions of lithium battery operated devices each year like vapes, phones, earbuds, tablets which all get replaced over and over. I love my Hemi but it makes more sense to use Electric
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I think i just watched an advert.....
Oh yea, you did.
It was. Don‘t show this channel again.
the engine stays on 24/7, even during oil changes
Well spotted. OK, it stays on for 23 hours 40 minutes every 90 days!
Hey Nathan Karhu has a vid of that 😂.
Well in theory you can do that..... drain the oil at the same time put a new one
Where in the world do you live as you may struggle to find one of these Nissan Patrols? We live in the UK where European emission rules are very strict. We’re currently on what’s called EU6 which involves such additions as Diesel Particulate Filters (DPF) and AdBlue which is added to the exhaust gases to reduce nitros-oxides. This vehicle though doesn’t comply with any of the European rules even though it’s quite a new vehicle. It’s referred to as a ‘Rest of the World’ (ROW) specification vehicle and used by the UN and Aid Agencies. We are still allowed to register it in the UK though due to a loophole in the law. The reason for this is that you may have seen (much clearer in our other videos) that it’s left hand drive (our UK cars are right hand drive). This is all to do with US Military personnel being stationed over here for a 3 year tour. If they bring their US cars with them, after one year they must be re-registered with UK number plates. Many (especially much older models) don’t comply with our emissions laws, but an exception is made for them. The way it was written into UK law though was that any left hand drive car could be registered and not meet the emissions regulations. If it was right hand drive we would never have been allowed to bring it onto the UK!
With toyota even that is possible 😂
You could clearly see that the third oil was a bit warmer because of the melted snow around it.
The only cup without ice on it also...
No one is running a 20w50, mineral oil in Siberia. That Shell oil was like a 0w16, preheated oil also. 😂
@@usmc03 We were running 0-30 Shell Helix oil in Siberia and had to bring it with us from the UK as there was none available in Yakutsk. Admittedly there is probably other 0-30 oil, but you’re assuming that Russians in far-eastern Siberia have the money available to spend on good quality oil - I think you’d be mistaken.
@@DriventoExtremes and I think you're just advertising a gas station engine oil
@ Well seeing as Shell paid millions to make the programme, I think they’re allowed a bit of exposure don’t you?!
@DriventoExtremes yeah, a bit, but not as you're presenting it, like some kind of super performance miracle engine oil, shell is average, if you want the best, you can choose between liqui moly, motul, pennzoil and amsoil.
@ Interesting to learn that Ferrari are using second rate oil in their Formula One cars. You learn something new every day!
Never shut your engine off
Looks like we now know where Greta is headed next
Nah man. Her head exploded when Trump won 😆🍻🤙
@@mattd5681 She's Swedish.
@logitech4873 😳...😀
"My Bum is on the Swedish!"
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Ultra technological turbo 4-cylinders can't survive such hard conditions. That's why we look at good old Y61 Patrols here
They are certainly good vehicles, but the Land Cruisers are probably a better option due to their abundant use around the world, which means lots of experienced mechanics everywhere and spares availability.
@@DriventoExtremes True.
can you please explain this a bit more? what goes wrong with them?
@@Ben_got_bored Modern engines are ultra efficient, which is a good thing, but in order to achieve this they are made to much finer tolerances and require lots of computer software to control the many sensors that monitor all parameters of engine load, temperature, altitude, etc etc. Unfortunately when operating in remote parts of the world, the fuel quality tends to be a lot poorer and engine components such as fuel filters and the injectors found on common rail engines just cannot cope with this quality. Check out our videos on the Vivaro Siberia Challenge where we were filtering grit that was coming out of a fuel pump (I’ve even filtered out pebbles before!). The poor quality fuel produces a lot more in the way of carbon deposits which cause problems with EGR valves and DPF filters. As for the ECU’s that monitor everything, well as we know, computers don’t like heat, dust, cold, vibration, dirt or water - everything you’ll experience on a remote vehicle expedition! The best option is to take advice I was taught whilst serving in the British Army - KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid. The more basic a vehicle you have, the better it will operate in remote parts of the world, being able to cope with poor fuel and tough conditions, plus being simpler to maintain and fixed by local mechanics.
I live in Siberia and drive a 2021 Audi A6 and it holds pretty well 😂 although I live in a bit warmer part of Siberia
The TD42 is going well!
It’s a fantastic engine, but surprisingly gutless! It doesn’t like to go much faster than 60mph / 100kph, but it will run forever and is incredibly simple to maintain.
@@DriventoExtremes yeah haha ive heard they are a bit like that, last forever tho
@@DriventoExtremesthey just need some boost
@@DriventoExtremes gutless 🤣🤣
@@DriventoExtremesMy TD25 does 120kmh all day! 80hp, THAT is gutless. Still fine for daily driving unless loaded heavily
Definitely don’t need a radiator or oil coolers there, but block heats would be useful
Much easier, simpler and cheaper (re modifications) just to keep the engine running the whole time. No electricity to power block heaters anyway.
English don't have special coolant for - 80 that's can't switch off the engine another one nobody in Russia on syberia not use diesel engines
Why ? The engines never stop, what is it you need to heat & where are you plugging in this block heater ?
@@182mcg1English have whatever is needed, we don’t see -80°C or F so we don't need a coolant that works at that temperature, at -80° oil is going to be your bigger problem.
Not just engine oil but transmission oil as well, the engine maybe running 24/7 but the transmission is not generating any heat when stationary & very little heat when not stationary, I would imagine they use a trans oil heater.
I have a diesel run block heater , uses fuel from engine. Runs silenty and keeps everything up to temp. No outside plug required. @@WhiskeyGulf71
Not going to do Siberia's net zero plans much good is it? 🙄
I live in Northern Canada and need me some Helix oil but a few hours with a block heater and it will start even in neg 50
Unfortunately far-eastern Russia isn't quite as developed as Canada, so there's either no electricity, or if there is there are regular power cuts!
I've seen some guy in fairbanks, alaska drive around to people whose vehicles aren't winterized and put what i think are heating blankets over the motor compartment under the hood. On the north slope of ak, they use big heaters that blow hot air via hoses.
@ When I was in the British Army I served as a helicopter technician with an Arctic Warfare unit. We used large ‘Gemini’ heaters that were about the size of a small car and towed behind a Land Rover. They had long hoses like tentacles coming out of them that would be inserted under the engine cowlings, by gearboxes and into the cabin. It took a while though to bring the aircraft up to temperature before we could start the engines.
That’s good advert for Shell, but you are making mistake, when stating that russians who live in such regions cannot afford to buy decent lubricants. It’s not a wasteland, and people are dependent on their vehicles, so cars are maintained well enough to run in any weather.
Why would Siberia even HAVE 20/50 oil? The average temperature is 0.5 degrees Celcius.
@@shaun900 Having been there during the depths of winter and the height of summer, I can tell you that summers in Yakutsk can get quite hot. The highest temperature recorded was +38.4 °C (101.1 °F) on 17 July 2011
@@DriventoExtremes I saw that, and here I thought Southern Canada had wild swings!
@ With the lowest temperature recorded in Yakutsk at −64.4 °C and the highest at +38.4 °C, it means that the seasonal temperature differences for the region are the greatest in the world at 102 °C (184 °F)!
@@DriventoExtremes who do you try to fool? Just glanced wikipedia? If engine allows we use 5w30 down to -20 degrees, engine starts fine, for more coldest days we have pre-heaters, down to -40 they help, oil is not a problem, petrol is the problem.
@ The warmest day we had in Siberia was -42C and it went down to -60C. That’s why we had 0W-30 oil! The problem in fact is not the petrol, it’s the diesel which will start to wax up at -50C even if it’s Arctic diesel.
At least you guys get a winter... We don't even get a winter in West Virginia, Virginia and New York for that matter.
It literally feels like we don't even get a winter anymore.
3 days of cold weather maybe 15 degrees Fahrenheit or a little lower at night and then bam it's backed up to 60.
We basically don't have Winters anymore.
It’s the same here in south-west England. When I was a kid we got snowed in regularly. Now nothing but rain.
Are you serious? Winters in India look like 25.c. That's like summer in most countries.
I'm from there and I have a nissan rouge for 2years now the engine is running
What a waste of 2:25
You might find this more interesting…
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She'll helix oil? I'm getting it, thank you
Is that a Saffer twang I detect from these guys?
@@diogeneslantern18 Our Expedition Mechanic is from South Africa (Cape Town), but the rest of my team are British.
Paul Marsh gets around! That dude is a legend.
Oil is necessary in an engine as blood is in a body. There aren’t many shared functions, but who’s going to care in this context.
I’ve used synthetic oil and fluids for decades, and I change engine oil, tranny fluid, and coolant twice as often as recommended. It sucks when one of my pickups holds about 3 gallons of oil and over 5 gallons of coolant, but extended oil changes are just deadly at lower miles, and especially when you get to the 3- 500,000 mile mark. The oil seems cheap when a replacement engine costs $25,000- $30,000 in the crate and the transmission costs between $5,000- $10,000 to replace. If you can do the maintenance and spend a little time each year removing salt/ dirt and adding a bit of FluidFilm, you’ll have a great truck for many years.
Wise words Bryan. On expeditions when fuel quality is poor, load being carried is heavy and the roads rough to cross, we aim to change our engine oil every 3,000 miles / 5,000 kilometres. We’d always use a good quality brand oil, synthetic if possible, but since working on this Shell project, we’ve always used their Helix oils. On very long expeditions such as our Vivaro Siberia Challenge, we can’t carry 4 complete oil changes with us, but we’ve never failed to find Shell Helix even in the remotest cities. It can take a bit of finding, but it’s there in a shop somewhere!
@@DriventoExtremes I change oil about every 1,000 miles. Oil is cheaper than engines. So there.
Why don't they use Webasto or Eber?
We had a Webasto fitted to our vehicle but never used it. If we had used it, the engine drive belts would have got cold, brittle and snapped, so much better to keep the whole engine running.
@@DriventoExtremes Just use it 24/7🤷
Agree, I have a Webasto factory installed engine and cabin heater in my 2014 VW Tiguan Tdi in Norway and that is just perfect, start it with a remote control from inside your warm home and in 15 minutes everything is nice and toasty.
People in Russia use webasto-like pre-heaters in winter. Many of us who live in places where winter is down to -30C have installed feature of starting engine by timer or by temperatures. With 5w30 i can start engine in -20C easily. Pre-heater exhaust can also be used to warm up a bit engine bay or oil pan, or whatever, it just needs smart thinking to mount exhaust pipe. There are blankets to reduce heat losses in more extreme conditions. The guys chose wrong cars or didn't prepare them well enough.
@@DriventoExtremesmaybe choose cars with a chain? 😉 Toyotas maybe? Or use electricity to warm up engine bay, my father used compact electric cooking stove put underneath the car. Smart thinking😉
I get it, I'd be leaving the car idling as well if it were minus 50. I'm from Northern Canada and even with 10w30 I can start my car in -45, but boy oh boy she was not happy about starting. If for some reason she doesn't then you are definitely burning that battery out with attempts, people who haven't experienced this level of cold don't get that their oil is essentially molasses and that engine turns very very slowly when cranking putting a hell of a load on that cold starter and cold battery.
But this video made it look like you guys are filling this engine up with fresh oil everyday
We airlifted the two Nissan Patrols to Yakutsk and then changed the engine oil to 0W-30. From there it was a 1,200 mile round trip to Oymyakon, the coldest inhabited place. Shell were paying for all 3 programmes (coldest, hottest and toughest) which appeared on Discovery Channel globally, so these 'behind the scenes' videos were produced to add a bit more information to those interested in cars (as opposed to just being fans of Tom Hardy, Henry Cavill or Adrien Brody!). We changed the oil in Tomtor, about 20 miles from Oymyakon and it was purely for the benefit of the cameras as we didn't have to do it.
I never thought I would see Paul Marsh in Siberia
Why show he 20W-20 mineral oil? It is not enought to winter here in Europe neither.
Why dont compare some regulary used oilgrades? The Shell use 0W oil. Correct. And how work the 5W-30 and 10w-40 and 15w-40?
By the way, if you stop the engine and the oil is be cold and lumpy, yust set fire under the engine end warm the oilpan. 🔥
UPS!
If it not blanketted with plastics and beware the other rubber and plastic elements!
That is not a ZIL 130.
if there was a way to auto-start the engine for 10 min every 60 minutes, when the car is stationary and not in use.. so much saving yet i bet the engine will start again after only 50 min break
You certainly could do that, but would you trust an automatic stop start system to work? If it fails it’s a very cold walk home!
When we were high in the mountains near Kubume en route to Oymyakon we camped overnight at -50C, so we did switch off the engine for an hour at a time to save fuel and also reduce the amount of exhaust gases that could have blown over the tents if the wind direction changed. This did mean though that one of us slept in each car to restart the engine and also drive it up and down a track for few hundred meters to stop the oil in the rear differential turning to jelly.
In the city though you’d have to keep going outside to turn your engine back on and by the time you’d got dressed with multiple layers, walked out to your car, walked back in again and got undressed, it’s probably easier to just leave it running.
What's the point of advertising the oil in a cold climate if you don't even turn of the vehicle
Because the engine is still being subjected to -60C and it won’t be operating at the same temperature as if it was +50C!
This is an advert for Shell. The title should make that clear.
It was one of 30 ‘behind the scenes’ videos to accompany the 3 programmes broadcast on Discovery Channel Global. Here’s episode 1…
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@@DriventoExtremes This is an advert for Shell. The title should make that clear.
-50°c. WTF.😮
All pointless, the first thing they said was the engine is never turned off, so why should we care what the oil does in cold conditions, it's never getting cold.
If anything the oil is under less stress because the ambient temperature is so much lower the oil is less likely to overheat & fail.
Just a load of pretend drama to sell us oil 🤦🏻♂️
At -60C, frostbite is measured in minutes and life expectancy measured in hours. You obviously don’t value your life or that of your team if you opt to use low grade oil in such extreme conditions!
Do you have more info on what lubricants you used in the drive line, coolant ect, what type of fuel tank and fuel filter heaters are you using?
@ All oils, coolant and screw wash were Shell. Let me speak to our mechanic who prepared the 2 Nissan Patrols for Siberia (as well as the Taklamakan Desert & Malaysian Jungle) and I’ll get back to you.
@DriventoExtremes I would appreciate that out of curiosity, I live on the east coast of New Zealands north island, we get down to -6 and upwards of 40 degC so a reasonable variation, what was the oil consumption like with the TD42 and the 0w30, do you have any links to your trips and prep? Many thanks, I love this stuff ah.
@@undercoverpighunter I’ve spoken to our mechanic and unfortunately as it was some years ago we did this project he can’t remember all the details. What he did say though was…all the oils were fully synthetic - gearboxes, differentials etc. The coolant was neat, so no water added. The screen wash was also 100% neat so no water added. We had a fuel filter heater but he can’t remember which make it was. We also had a Webasto engine heater but didn’t use it as the engine was never turned off outside of the heated garages found in the city of Yakutsk and town of Khandygha. We still have the Nissan Patrols but they are stored with another of our expedition mechanics some 300 miles away, but I can ask him to have a look under the bonnet to see what fuel filter heaters are fitted.
Why taking about 20w50 in thise temps when you use 0w40 ?!?
Scam
It was just a visual comparison for those that don't know about different grades of oil
They should get EVs!! They work wonderful in cold weather! Lol.
@@goodguy7420 It would be a good one to test. Have bets on how far they go before the battery dies!!!
LOL😂
Even batteries have a working temperature to prevent battery drain and prevent short lifespan , coupled with the burden searching for charging stations in a harsh environment is not something that could be recommended
@@cholakabwe5370 It would be very interesting though to see just how far they could go at -60C. Not very far I would imagine!
That's a BS, you need just a good engine preheater, which work on kerosene.
So you’re saying that you should go to the expense of fitting a pre-heater, plus a large fuel tank to keep it running for at least 10 hours. What happens though to the oil that’s sitting in the engine sump - what keeps that warm? If it was such a good idea everyone in Siberia would be doing it. It’s so much easier (and better) to keep the engine running.
@@DriventoExtremes You don't have to warm up the oil to operating temperature, at -50C it's enough for the oil temperature to rise to 0C degrees.
Pre-heaters are, of course, mainly installed on semi- trucks, but I don't know the reason why they are not widely used, perhaps because of the price and complexity of installation.
What a joke. Outside temps have nothing to do with outside temps. As long as your motor is warm the oil could be crap but still run.
So what you’re saying is that a temperature of -60C has no affect on the temperature of the engine or the ability of the oil to work properly?!
It’s interesting then that every car manufacturer recommends a different grade of oil depending on the temperature that the car will be operating in.
I think you need to take them to court as they’ve obviously been conning us all these years!
Hot air electric blowers can help warm up cold engine. No need to keep engine start and waste fuel and reduce engine life
And where are you going to find an electricity supply in remote parts of Siberia?! Even if you did find one you can’t rely on there not being power cuts. Plus what happens to the coolant at -60C? Even neat coolant will freeze, expanding as it does so and ruin your engine. Nice idea of yours but completely impractical!
@DriventoExtremes you need a nice and heavy generator!! 😂
@@dragan3290We’ve already got one, it’s a 4.2 litre straight six diesel under the bonnet!
I meant a generator for old mate from you! Lol 😂
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You might this more interesting. Here’s the link to one of the 3 programmes that was aired on Discovery Channel…
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This vid scares the shit outta me.
Since I hate idling anything 😆.
Now Im wondering if changing my oil every 2k offsets the few times I went 5k without a change. Engine has 95k rn. Hemi 5.7.
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@@mattd5681 We sim to change our oil every 3,000 miles / 5,000km, especially on an overland expedition when we’ll experience poor quality fuel. This is another reason why you want to use good quality oil as it does a better job of capturing and holding onto carbon deposits, even after prolonged running.
I'm at 300,000 km with my 5.7 Hemi and I've been doing the oil changes, full synthetic, between 7,000 to 9,000 km. She still purrs and hasn't had any engine issues. Changing the oil very early on is just expensive over time, but it doesn't do any harm so if you have the money to spend and the time to waste, I don't see any issues with it.
@ Wise words indeed.
@sacr3 Lemme know anything and everything about that truck that you've done
We live Rural, and until the economy catches up I rely on one vehicle. And have to make sure she keeps going. 🤙🍻
@@DriventoExtremes Thx a Mil!
Yall have a very dedicated channel.
One love! 🤙
How wasteful. No wonder ice caps are melting.
This is why we need Superior electric vehicles😊
@@Jag-leaper Never going to work in Siberia….or Africa…or Mongolia. The EV bubble is about to burst unless they can figure out a way of making a battery that doesn’t weigh almost a ton!
@DriventoExtremes yes I agree fully, poking fun 😊
@@DriventoExtremes Whaha cry some more. EV is going to dominate. Especially in scenario's where your puny LR can't survive if it gets shut down.
@I don’t know which part of the world you live in, but EV sales are falling off a cliff here in the UK. Many premium brand manufacturers such as Mercedes and BMW have already stopped production of some of their models. EV’s do have a place in the world (mainly cities on short commutes), but they are not the answer for most people.
Electric vehicles at this time are not all that reliable in cold weather, up here in Canada you lose up to 40% of your battery on very very cold days. Regardless, electric vehicles are definitely the future. Instant torque, significantly less moving parts, and to keep a fuel powered vehicle running you need refineries, you need massive freighters to transport the oil and refined oil, you need trucks to transport the fuel, you need gas stations to be constantly filled to supply the fuel and all of this requires the power grid to operate, from the gas stations to the refineries. Then you have to consider they do this year-round, trucks constantly traveling, refineries constantly operating, oil rigs constantly pulling, gas stations constantly operating also that your vehicle can operate.
Whereas with electric you just have to make a plug and connect it to the grid. The end. Yet people will continue to complain about the lithium and the mines, using that for some reason as a good argument against electric vehicles. Meanwhile people use billions of lithium battery operated devices each year like vapes, phones, earbuds, tablets which all get replaced over and over.
I love my Hemi but it makes more sense to use Electric
Krap new car.... Russian car get warm engine burn f>red under the car try it on expensive plastic toys.... This is not car this imitation.....
The Nissan Patrol 4.2 is a normally aspirated diesel with no electronics or plastic parts, so definitely not an imitation!
you suck as do all other russians - get lost
Lol...what a bunch of bollocks, "special oil"...need to keep cars running...non sense from people that never played in cold environment.
@@honumoorea873 I’d be interested to hear what experience you have of operating vehicles at -60C?
Fake 😂
@@IIISentorIII I was there…you weren’t! Which part is fake??
Просто идиот! Я живу в Забайкалье, масло Роснефть отлично рботает.
@@DriventoExtremes All of it. Real Siberian people just park their car at night, they aren't such pussies.