Thanks Simon. A penny dropped whilst I was watching this, which is why it is so important it is to keep the rod in motion. You referred to the fact that having only a little fly line on the water is a good thing and it made me realise that, when I make a good cast, that is exactly what happens. The line/leader doesn't have time to sink and/or be gripped too much by the water surface, so it lifts much more easily.
Boom 💥 I gotta say that was HUGELY important and informative 👌🤙. Please.. keep on with the simpleton videos.. they are the core value of what I hold highest. Amazing how we can wander away from true techniques and physics 🤭 now I feel compelled to leave home at dark thirty to practice these golden rules👏🤙
Simon. Coming back to the sport after tens years and dusted of my 9' 5# Sage XP and real. Can you explain the difference between Rio Gold floating line and the Rio single handed Spey line
Hi Neil. Tim Rawlins from linespeedjedi.com here. The Rio Gold is a a weight forward line which means most of the weight is in the front part of the head and is primarily for overhead casting. The Rio single hand Spey line has more of the weight of the head near the rear part of the head, so if you pull the head of the line to the tip top eyelet of your Sage XP, which is nice with the slender green running line that contrasts well with the large diameter of the yellow head portion of the line, so you know exactly where the head is and therefore the sweet spot, it roll casts very nicely, but..... ...the Rio Single had Spey line overhead casts very nicely too, and a very delicate presentation to boot. You could probably do some roll casts with the Rio Gold but you would have to pull the head in pretty close to your hands or more and it might not roll cast as easily. For overhead casting and light presentations I suspect the Gold shines, but it would take a pretty skilled Spey caster, such as Simon to actually Spey Cast with the Gold with any proficiency. If you want to overhead cast with small dry flies and learn fish using single hand spey casts also, the Rio Gold is a good choice.
if u have a strong quality rod its probably fine and yes its easier to load id say 1 wt up max not 2, u can snap it if u rush the cast with a cheaper and longer rod its happened to me before.
does anything change in execution if using a 8wt - 9wt with a weighted streamer - say no 2/0 bass streamer? or out on slat water going for reds in the wind?
Generally not. Spey casting was basically created for streamers. That said your line choice determines how big a streamer you can chuck. A line like the one he is using has a taper on the head where most of the weight is in the back and will generally speaking not throw the heaviest/bulkiest streamers whereas a line with a little more uniform belly like a skagit head can transfer more energy into turning over heavy flies and sink tips.
I certainly can change directions with a roll cast. Why would I want to use a roll cast repeatedly to the same spot? That's one thing a role cast is good for when you spot a fish in one direction or the other from your present cast.
I don't know how much you have progressed in two years but honestly it's in some ways easier than regular overhead casting. It's certainly a lot less effort and easier to visually see when you have the timing right on the "backcast" or D loop formation when compared to the backcast of an overhead cast.
Because every fly fishing instructor (including me) get fixated on the tried and true overhead cast. "It's what my grandad/father/uncle taught me." That spey cast is very similar to a Belgian cast, no line in the water, big D loop, easy to change direction.
easily some of the best casting videos along with Capt. Chris Myers.
Thanks Simon. A penny dropped whilst I was watching this, which is why it is so important it is to keep the rod in motion. You referred to the fact that having only a little fly line on the water is a good thing and it made me realise that, when I make a good cast, that is exactly what happens. The line/leader doesn't have time to sink and/or be gripped too much by the water surface, so it lifts much more easily.
This video is with no doubt the best one explaining one handed Spey casting!! Thanks!
Most helpful video I have seen for single handed spey cast. Thanks
great vid watched it many times
Brilliant 👏 helpful 👏 info.
Thank you.
Boom 💥 I gotta say that was HUGELY important and informative 👌🤙. Please.. keep on with the simpleton videos.. they are the core value of what I hold highest. Amazing how we can wander away from true techniques and physics 🤭 now I feel compelled to leave home at dark thirty to practice these golden rules👏🤙
very helpful-good explanation-thank you
Hi ,your a god,some great info and knowledge from you,tight lines
Thanks you very much,. Excellent explanation
Thank you! I got your Spey Casting book this week too! Love it
Do you generally over weight the rod by two? This is a 7wt line on a 5wt rod, or am I missing something?
im from Mongolia and will try it soon just bought some rio lines :)
Thanks very much for sharing.
Great teacher...watch and learn.....≥
Thank you very good 🤙👍🇺🇸
Simon. Coming back to the sport after tens years and dusted of my 9' 5# Sage XP and real. Can you explain the difference between Rio Gold floating line and the Rio single handed Spey line
Hi Neil. Tim Rawlins from linespeedjedi.com here. The Rio Gold is a a weight forward line which means most of the weight is in the front part of the head and is primarily for overhead casting.
The Rio single hand Spey line has more of the weight of the head near the rear part of the head, so if you pull the head of the line to the tip top eyelet of your Sage XP, which is nice with the slender green running line that contrasts well with the large diameter of the yellow head portion of the line, so you know exactly where the head is and therefore the sweet spot, it roll casts very nicely, but.....
...the Rio Single had Spey line overhead casts very nicely too, and a very delicate presentation to boot.
You could probably do some roll casts with the Rio Gold but you would have to pull the head in pretty close to your hands or more and it might not roll cast as easily.
For overhead casting and light presentations I suspect the Gold shines, but it would take a pretty skilled Spey caster, such as Simon to actually Spey Cast with the Gold with any proficiency. If you want to overhead cast with small dry flies and learn fish using single hand spey casts also, the Rio Gold is a good choice.
Hi, do you use a # 5 rod with a # 7 line ? I´ve seen some videos that recomends that ... thank you
Thanks!
Hi Simon, thanks for your amazing videos. I have a Q: Is that OK that you put that WF7F spey line on a #5 rod? thanks in advance
The 7 line will be too heavy in most cases, a 6 will go but 7 is pushing it.
Do you need to be in the water to make a spey cast? Can you be on the shore?
He said he had a 5 wt rod and then showed a 7wt line. So for single handed spey casting you need a fly line 2 weights more than the rod?
It's just a prop. You don't size up the line. The line is labeled to match the rod.
Interesting he's using a 5wt rod with a 7wt line. WF7F. can anyone confirm if overlining the rod will make single-hand spey casts easier to perform?
if u have a strong quality rod its probably fine and yes its easier to load id say 1 wt up max not 2, u can snap it if u rush the cast with a cheaper and longer rod its happened to me before.
Is the in touch single Spey also good for overhand casting? Or, is there another line more efficient at both?
Simon, what part of wales are you from? I clocked your accent as I’m a cardigan native myself. Live in Scotland now though.
does anything change in execution if using a 8wt - 9wt with a weighted streamer - say no 2/0 bass streamer? or out on slat water going for reds in the wind?
Generally not. Spey casting was basically created for streamers. That said your line choice determines how big a streamer you can chuck. A line like the one he is using has a taper on the head where most of the weight is in the back and will generally speaking not throw the heaviest/bulkiest streamers whereas a line with a little more uniform belly like a skagit head can transfer more energy into turning over heavy flies and sink tips.
Thank you so much!
I certainly can change directions with a roll cast. Why would I want to use a roll cast repeatedly to the same spot? That's one thing a role cast is good for when you spot a fish in one direction or the other from your present cast.
So basically I’ve been spey casting all these years when I thought I was just fishing.
I’m considering a 7wt in this line but can anyone tell me what size fly this can handle at the biggest end of the spectrum. Thanks in advance.
Very helpful
Nice video you make it look easy! I struggle with basic forward cast so won't attempt this!
I don't know how much you have progressed in two years but honestly it's in some ways easier than regular overhead casting. It's certainly a lot less effort and easier to visually see when you have the timing right on the "backcast" or D loop formation when compared to the backcast of an overhead cast.
why don’t more anglers use this casting technique? It seems to be more efficient all around.
Because every fly fishing instructor (including me) get fixated on the tried and true overhead cast. "It's what my grandad/father/uncle taught me." That spey cast is very similar to a Belgian cast, no line in the water, big D loop, easy to change direction.
Okay, I'll ask it. Is this a spey cast or a roll cast?
It's basically a roll cast but with a change of direction
I can see the train track now
Show an honest roll/water cast please.
Plz show more and talk less