fun fact: Toby Fox played a piano rendition of Necrofantasia for his church while he was in high school. ZUN's reaction to this information was "You played a song called 'Necrofantasia' in a church?!"
@@impartingsea429 you don't get it. People are specifically looking for it being played by toby fox. When that's most likely what he mentioned and the person above only repeats that.
@@Vedhonohh I see what you’re talking about, I missed the context of your first comment. Yea If toby supposedly played it back then, it would very unlikely be online.
The funniest part about this is that the newer Touhou games (LoLK onwards) could perfectly have been referencing UT/DR in some way, especially the CORE - Keiki's motif part, considering recent news about ZUN and Toby Fox's friendship (and most importantly, the Kagura dual arrange)
I doubt LoLK specifically could be be referenced in Undertale, or vice versa. The full version of LoLK only released a month before Undertale did, during which Toby Fox would have been doing playtesting and bug fixing, so it would've been impossible to reference it's music. Even the demo's music seems like it would be a tight fit to get into the game. However, it's possible that ZUN did start adding nods to Undertale's music starting in HSiFS.
Honestly I could see Asirel dremur mettoton asgore toriel alphsy undyne and last by certainly not least chara the demon being added in the next touhou game as dlc pack or just straight up guest characters in a fighting game heh many even sans could make it
The undertale cast could be unique do to aseriel dremur being the only character that fights similarly and every other undertale character is grounded apart from chara
@@IdkAlcohol What? That comment makes it sound like Touhou is the only reason Undertale exists, but it's literally a pure lie. If you look at the game, you can see a lot more of the influence of Homestuck and Mother, EarthBound etc. I don't need to be an Undertale fan to say this, I just need to have eyes, it would be cool if Undertale had more references to Touhou because I'm also a Touhou fan, but it's not.
fun fact: in 2:51 the song "bird that carries you over a disproportionately small gap" plays when a bird carries you over a disproportionately small gap
Fun fact, Undertale was originally going to have bombs in it like touhou, but toby fox removed them because the ones he designed "reminded him of the war" in his own words on his Gamejolt page.
It's always so cool when games wear their inspirations like a sleeve, especially when the creator is an open fan like Toby is with Zun. I like to think Zun used Toby's music as an inspiration when making tracks for his newer games.
Some of them may be coincidences, but Im p sure the one in Omega Flowey (like it's a literal bullet hell) and Baath (Music style and use of ZUNpets) are legit As for ZUN's side, I would say that the CORE music may be a bit sus
@@NeoAya i said the H word sorry......but you can't ignore undertales origin you can't ignore its past.... heck i'll say it i'll dare to say out loud what people are thinking quietly homestuck is western touhou there i said it you can't stop me
Indeed Now I'm questioning if Toriel and Rumia fight, who would win? This is an absolutely useless and random question so no need to answer if you (or anyone else reading) don't want to
I wouldn't say that many of these are stretches, but rather nearly all of them are examples of s form of song writing that Michael Jackson once deseribed as " you need to be able to hum the chorus without lyrics." Toby and ZUN's music excel at being memorable because they incorporate an understanding of the basics while creating a character that fita the song
Oooooorrrrrrr and hear me out it’s because Tony actually mentions he uses Touhou music as a inspiration even going as far as making a entire series of joke “Touhou songs” along with a character to go with them to make fun of people still not in the know way back when and since Toby and sun are friends now 2015 on they kinda get inspired from each others work in a la rezero-konosuba kinda way.
@@Momijitheawoo oh yeah! and honestly ZUN as a musician is just amazing from a learning standpoint of being able to break down his songs into simple lessons. In Toby Fox's case, if you listen to his non-ut/DR tracks (The Greatest Living Show for example) you can hear how he uses key changes to empathize the melody.
Asriel has many things tied with Marisa. 1. Star attacks. 2. Marisa’s Master Spark is similar to Asriel’s blast attack with the gun thingy. 3. Asriel can use colorful beams of lights for attacks (Shocker Breaker) and so can Marisa. 4. Asriel’s attacks are the only attacks that have names, goddammit. At least in UNDERTALE. Similar to spellcards. 5. Asriel’s final form can shoot that huge laser, and Marisa’s Master Spark is also similar.
Asriel is also an anagram of Sariel from Touhou 1. They share very similar appearance and Asriel is associated with the "Angle of Death", which is the title of Sariel. And they are both final bosses of their games but that's just a tiny detail.
a lot of these seem like a stretch but i also find the comparisons endearing, like that one soul theme being similar to heian alien. theres also the one other soul which carries terezis theme being compared to bad apple but this begs the question of whether terezis theme is descended from bad apple (other touhou songs have been snuck into homestucks music. heir of grief has cirnos theme in it LMFAO)
Couple of these are a bit of a stretch, but it's still cool to see how much inspiration Toby has had from Touhou. And it's something you can see more than just here, I mean we all recall Heir Conditioning, right?
Your Best Nightmare having so many musical references in one song is fitting. It really sells the idea of moving from bullet hell scenario to bullet hell scenario real quickly, much like a fever induced touhou themed nightmare
But Battle Against a True Hero is a fully fledged Touhou song tho. It was applied the 5 rules of the ZUN: 1. A beginning part (sometimes) almost no one remembers / the main part as the beginning but with less instruments 2. A main part that gets excessively used throughout the song 3. A beautiful middle part 4. A Resolving end to it, ready to loop to the beginning, but without the beginning part (most of the time) And the most important one... 5. Trumpets/ZUNpets, and not too less if you know what I mean ;)) Edit: whut 250 likes?? Well thats a first to me
A beginning no one remembers ? What is bro talking about, BAaTH's beginning is what most people remember, and if I had to list the total amount of Touhou tracks whose beginning is the most memorable part I would not have enough space.
i knew battle against a true hero was heavily touhou inspired when i had recently tried getting into the series and had a moment of going "hey, this song's style feels really familiar"
Quite a while ago, both of the fandoms were at war, but now they're chill with each other. I don't know the reason why this whole debate started, but I'm not going to look into it.
@@Hiroshiken71 long ago, 2 races ruled the Japanese/Japanese-adjacent video game music realm: Touhou and Undertale One day, war broke out between the two fandoms.
yes and no exactly. while the undertale community was openly looking for a war. A small sector of the entire Touhou community was the one that began to follow the fight. To the point that to avoid a fandom war, the same author of Undertale managed to speak with the author of Touhou to make certain things clear and end the conflict that had unnecessarily started a part of his game's community. I saw this when it happened and it didn't make sense. I played Undertale after having played many Touhou games. So I knew from the beginning that Touhou had indeed existed before Undertale. Despite all this disaster, the authors get along quite well to the point where Zun himself decided to use some of Toby's pieces as inspiration for some of his most current games. They released an album together and nothing happened here. But the conflict in those years was ridiculous.
@@Hiroshiken71 If my memory serves me correctly, the conflict had started over the music. Well, Undertale fans had started saying that Touhou was copied from Undertale or something like that, that's all I can remember.
Two of among the very best games which revolutionized the gaming industry. These were so epic, that their communities are still alive and kicking. The story, the art, the ost, the concept were all on point. Gotta love em.
you know what is similar? Zun made touhou by his lonesome after learning how to make games and music and art....Toby Fox also did the same where his undertale was made by his own self taught game dev skills....so really id say toby fox is the next gen Zun XD
Bird that Carries You Over a Disproportionately Small Gap sounds a lot like "Well of Infinite Depth ~ Electric Onryo" from the Touhou fan album "Awakening Deep Mythos"
gosh i love tofu i mean tofu i meant tohu i meant tofhou i mean tohouf i mean toufhu i mean toufouh i mean touhiuh i mena toughgoug ui mean tougough mi mean toughiugh ti mena tougouh i mean tougu i mea totu i mean tofu i meam tougou i meam touhou
well yes, because toby most likely drew direct inspiration from Touhou Project; Iirc he's stated he's a fan, also the longer I listen to this, is this bait lol some of these are reaches
It feels strange that Asriel is such a blatant reference to Sariel from HRtP. Like, the names are anagrams of each other, they are both associated with death and that’s not even mentioning the fact that the weird clothes all of the Dreemurs wear is almost the same as hers.
Your Best Friend is actually a direct reference to F.U.N. Song from SpongeBob. This was indirectly confirmed in a now-deleted tweet from November 2015 where Toby quotes the song
Well considering Touhou was one of the many sources of inspiration for Toby when creating Undertale I wouldn't be surprised if many of the soundtracks in the OST are inspired by some of ZUN's songs.
I find it quite funny how Heartache's (potential) inspiration also has the pan flute sound, the same one from World Revolving. (If you didn't know, Jevil's theme was originally supposed to be Heartache when Toby was initially working on Deltarune in 2012)
I'm seeing a lot of people commenting about the similarities between the UT and TH soundtrack, but nobody is talking how both games have their own "song that can be played everywhere" meme. For Undertale, there's Megalovania, and for Touhou, there's Bad Apple!! (specially the Alstroemeria Records version), so I don't think that music is the only similarity between UT and TH, they also share other stuff together too, so yeah.
And also the character-that-is-more-popular-than-the-protagonist thing, with Touhou having Flandre and Undertale having, of course Sans. And also the story taking place in a world islolated from the normal world, having characters being either human or monsters (in Touhou's case youkai) with the protagonist being one of the few humans being in a world full of monsters/youkai and having fandoms that are very big and not as toxic as before, being quite chill now.
exactly i dont know why they didnt put that. it has interesting connotations, since that part in here we are is supposed to be alphys theme motif. so does that mean that alphys theme was made after here we are? trippy.
Welp can't wait to see this comment section turn into flame war of which song copy the other song, all because someone forget to credit a certain Bad Alppe song when try to make a Undertale parody of it :)
I have always had the idea that Undertale was somewhat inspired off of Touhou. Like has anyone ever noticed that Asgore and Flandre Scarlet's attack patterns are far too similar sometimes?
I can imagine Toby had some inspiration, but when actually listening to the songs, it's not like they are THAT similar to say they are directly inspired by it or trying to recreate it. Both games have amazing soundtracks, and while seeming a little familiar, they are still quite different
those who got the truckfreak newsletter in their email would know that toby fox grew up with touhou, and based the bullet system around it! Its definitely no suprise that the music in undertale is so similar!
Well, iirc SOULs themes are confirmed to be from Touhou. Also Undertale's Megalovania has similarities with Complete Darkness from 2nd Touhou, at least at the beginning.
To be honest yea I wish it’s still the same way like where Toby makes similar songs to new Touhou games with his new games. It’s not plagiarism when the it’s only inspired.
Undertale just took inspiration from Touhou and other games. Although I think Toby Fox isn't a bad composer, he's very overrated, but that's because of the Undertale fandom.
There's bad and good parts of the fandoms. I'm both a Touhou and Undertale fan and I hate it when Touhou and Undertale "fans" argue over random stuff, but luckilly there's a part of both fandoms which get along with each other.
@@ARandomIndieGameEnjoyer The thing I hate (or dislike very much at laest) the most of Touhou fandom is that many of the people in it "ship(s)" every character even with the rocks.😂
@@Veranek Yea, I remember I watched a vid (from Suwawako I think) about ships in Touhou and I was surprised on how much there actually is, and even then, barely any of them made sense lol
it's not "oddly similar"? Toby grew up playing Touhou games and some of his biggest inspiration for Undertale is danmaku for bullet patterns with enemies and how ZUN's music influenced his own style heavily, so why is this "oddly similar"
And Zun said (in the interview with toby fox) that he likes Undertale and its music, maybe even was inspired by it in the latest games like this 4:15 5:01 8:40
Toby Fox and Zun are both composer who can just feels the music, Toby just applies that more to adjusting leitmotifs to fit while Zun is truly free with the flow. Both end up with gorgeous melodies that soar over their pieces.
I still like that World Revolving in Deltarune Chapter 1 is a mashup of like three different themes. (iirc, UN Owen was Her, Flowering Night and parts of World Revolution from Chrono Trigger.)
0:19 Whats weird is flowey's theme is actually taken from a spongebob episode, neat, But there is sometimes where there is a music stuck in your head and you dont remember where did you hear it And some musicians have that and sometimes make the music and when it happens, sometimes the music is from something they dont remember But, Toby is a fan of touhou at the end of the day lol
![FendiDa Rappa - Clock Dat ft. Shamar Marco [Official Music Video]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/3NBU8KHdxYY/mqdefault.jpg)
listening to this makes me want to play both games again.
Do it
Yes, play it.
Same
thank you very much for your animations that pulled me into touhou!
Can't wait for "Undertale Vs. Touhou Project War: The Sequel"
fun fact: Toby Fox played a piano rendition of Necrofantasia for his church while he was in high school.
ZUN's reaction to this information was "You played a song called 'Necrofantasia' in a church?!"
where can i see that?
I think the people here missed the in highschool part
@@Vedhon the highschool part is pretty normal
@@impartingsea429 you don't get it. People are specifically looking for it being played by toby fox. When that's most likely what he mentioned and the person above only repeats that.
@@Vedhonohh I see what you’re talking about, I missed the context of your first comment. Yea If toby supposedly played it back then, it would very unlikely be online.
The funniest part about this is that the newer Touhou games (LoLK onwards) could perfectly have been referencing UT/DR in some way, especially the CORE - Keiki's motif part, considering recent news about ZUN and Toby Fox's friendship (and most importantly, the Kagura dual arrange)
I doubt LoLK specifically could be be referenced in Undertale, or vice versa. The full version of LoLK only released a month before Undertale did, during which Toby Fox would have been doing playtesting and bug fixing, so it would've been impossible to reference it's music. Even the demo's music seems like it would be a tight fit to get into the game.
However, it's possible that ZUN did start adding nods to Undertale's music starting in HSiFS.
@@Hijiri_MIRACHION Did you hear they're doing a collab soon! I'm very excited.
I doubt it. That's just the way they've been making music for a long time. If anything, it's the other way around.
Honestly I could see Asirel dremur mettoton asgore toriel alphsy undyne and last by certainly not least chara the demon being added in the next touhou game as dlc pack or just straight up guest characters in a fighting game heh many even sans could make it
The undertale cast could be unique do to aseriel dremur being the only character that fights similarly and every other undertale character is grounded apart from chara
ZUN and Toby are really good composers ngl
and guess what, theyre making a collab!!!
@@saythrtL yeah, I'm looking foward to it
@@saythrtLDA COLLAB! DA COLLAB IS REAL!!!!
@@saythrtLHow did I not hear about this!!!! What’s it called?
@@rickyquinteros7100ZUN is making an arrangement of Battle Against a True Hero, while Toby's making an arrangement of U.N. Owen was her
Fun Fact: Tobyfox was inspired of Touhou Project to create Undertale. And he himself admitted.
Everyone knows that. Toby and ZUN are literally friends.
Fun Fact: Not only touhou inspired Toby Fox to create Undertale. And he himself admitted.
@@iosis9324Fun Fact: You have a point but only fellow UT fans would agree
@@IdkAlcohol What? That comment makes it sound like Touhou is the only reason Undertale exists, but it's literally a pure lie. If you look at the game, you can see a lot more of the influence of Homestuck and Mother, EarthBound etc. I don't need to be an Undertale fan to say this, I just need to have eyes, it would be cool if Undertale had more references to Touhou because I'm also a Touhou fan, but it's not.
@@iosis9324 chill dude, i was just messing wit'cha, dont pull some long essay that fast.
7:08 This is probably the most clear "inspiration" toby had from Touhou in Undertale
5:55
And 5:00
@@juanmanuelmolanocaceres7047uhmm undertale is older than th17 ☝️🤓
Why did you quote inspiration?
And 7:38!😄
Me when spreading misinformation
indeed, very based
me when uhmmm ummm LIES LIES FALSEHOODS I Like LYING I'm a MISINFORMATION SPREADER i like PROPAGATING UNVERIFIABLE FACTS OVER THE INTERNET 😼😼😈
Aya is that you?
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m i s i n f o r m a t i o n.
fun fact: in 2:51 the song "bird that carries you over a disproportionately small gap" plays when a bird carries you over a disproportionately small gap
We all played the game but thanks anyway 👍
cool fact
Woah! How big is the gap??
obvious joke @@irithylloldman6526
@@Shrooblorddisproportionately small
Fun fact, Undertale was originally going to have bombs in it like touhou, but toby fox removed them because the ones he designed "reminded him of the war" in his own words on his Gamejolt page.
Wtf, that's a weird reason to not include them lol.
i'm sorry, gamejolt page??
@@fafau06yup, for a while undertale was free on gamejolt
But there are bombs in the MTT fight
Also, I never knew Undertale released on Gamejolt
I literally can't even
It's always so cool when games wear their inspirations like a sleeve, especially when the creator is an open fan like Toby is with Zun.
I like to think Zun used Toby's music as an inspiration when making tracks for his newer games.
They both inspire eachother and such
Legends recognizing legends
It’s like a forever running engine they keep each giving their music power
These references are made because Toby Fox has been a Toho fan since childhood
+ They are friends
mostly all, since all Undertale tracks were release around 2015 but the referenced may vary (from around HSiFS (?) to now are later 2015-ish)
Some of them may be coincidences, but Im p sure the one in Omega Flowey (like it's a literal bullet hell) and Baath (Music style and use of ZUNpets) are legit
As for ZUN's side, I would say that the CORE music may be a bit sus
Touhou, homestuck, undertale was just destined to become a staple of internet culture meme and fandom
Don't think we can't see you sneaking homestuck into there
@@NeoAya i said the H word sorry......but you can't ignore undertales origin you can't ignore its past....
heck i'll say it i'll dare to say out loud what people are thinking quietly homestuck is western touhou there i said it you can't stop me
real
@@nats81 i still have no idea what homestuck is
True
Toby Fox did confirm Undyne's theme being a touhou reference in the Undertale / Deltarune Newsletter i believe
It was using a instrument from the touhou soundfont after all
Not that needed any confirmation 😂 it was an obvious tribute
spear of justice or battle against a true hero?
@@misqistar11probably battle against a true hero. The horns are even the "zunpets" heard in a lot of touhou music.
Necro-Fantacy's endless zunpets still hant me
Yeah, always thought Electric Heritage sounded like CORE. It's fitting.
Okay Idolatrize World sounding like Death by Glamour is insane though.
Mine is when I found out that ZUN had made a song similar to Flowey's theme
and he had done it before even Undertale demo was released
@@nitirushh3650 It's insane
OMG I FORGOT ABOUT THAT ONE! i remember when i first heard Electric Heritage and saw the background I thought of CORE
Me about to make relations of Nue with Gaster due to them sharing same 4 note leitmotif just like the glove soul (idk forgot the color) theme:
@@reversal2341 the orange bravery one?
The Heartache similarity...
Toriel being the first bossfight and Rumia also being the first bossfight...it is hilarious, actually
Indeed
Now I'm questioning if Toriel and Rumia fight, who would win? This is an absolutely useless and random question so no need to answer if you (or anyone else reading) don't want to
@@timothylinga1427Rumia: We are having goat stew for dinner...
@@Darkusaido late but yummy 😋
Rumia can just make everything pitch black and consume Tutoriel (naming intended)
I am becoming more nerd than i am
Pls help
I wouldn't say that many of these are stretches, but rather nearly all of them are examples of s form of song writing that Michael Jackson once deseribed as " you need to be able to hum the chorus without lyrics."
Toby and ZUN's music excel at being memorable because they incorporate an understanding of the basics while creating a character that fita the song
Oooooorrrrrrr and hear me out it’s because Tony actually mentions he uses Touhou music as a inspiration even going as far as making a entire series of joke “Touhou songs” along with a character to go with them to make fun of people still not in the know way back when and since Toby and sun are friends now 2015 on they kinda get inspired from each others work in a la rezero-konosuba kinda way.
@@Momijitheawoo oh yeah! and honestly ZUN as a musician is just amazing from a learning standpoint of being able to break down his songs into simple lessons. In Toby Fox's case, if you listen to his non-ut/DR tracks (The Greatest Living Show for example) you can hear how he uses key changes to empathize the melody.
Asriel has many things tied with Marisa.
1. Star attacks.
2. Marisa’s Master Spark is similar to Asriel’s blast attack with the gun thingy.
3. Asriel can use colorful beams of lights for attacks (Shocker Breaker) and so can Marisa.
4. Asriel’s attacks are the only attacks that have names, goddammit. At least in UNDERTALE. Similar to spellcards.
5. Asriel’s final form can shoot that huge laser, and Marisa’s Master Spark is also similar.
His wings are similar to her illusion wing and his final attack also basically same as her flame spell card
Asriel is also an anagram of Sariel from Touhou 1. They share very similar appearance and Asriel is associated with the "Angle of Death", which is the title of Sariel. And they are both final bosses of their games but that's just a tiny detail.
@@EphydamentAnd Sariel is an angel from the bible or something
@@Ephydament there's this part of BIBLICAL reference, Sariel is an angel name, you can tell just by the "el" part,
@@EphydamentAngle hehehehe
a lot of these seem like a stretch but i also find the comparisons endearing, like that one soul theme being similar to heian alien.
theres also the one other soul which carries terezis theme being compared to bad apple but this begs the question of whether terezis theme is descended from bad apple (other touhou songs have been snuck into homestucks music. heir of grief has cirnos theme in it LMFAO)
Couple of these are a bit of a stretch, but it's still cool to see how much inspiration Toby has had from Touhou. And it's something you can see more than just here, I mean we all recall Heir Conditioning, right?
I'm very hyped for the collab ZUN and Toby are doing
Ikr
What?
@@wingedflyingforce5139 they’re doing a music collab on a Touhou spinoff
i had no idea they were making a collab, that's so cool-
@@atwistedb :00
Toby's musical influences are obvious, but I'm more curious as to what ZUN's musical influences are. Does he like a lot of symphonic/prog rock?
>get drunk
>do stuff
>actual musical masterpiece
I'm sure there was video about it
Castlevania, apparently
(Sometimes)
ZUN's inspiration: Ice-cold Beer.
Mmm i Remember one but... i dont Remember the name
It's not "oddly' similar. Toby Fox is a massive Touhou fan and has stated multiple times that he made certain songs sound like Touhou
Your Best Nightmare having so many musical references in one song is fitting. It really sells the idea of moving from bullet hell scenario to bullet hell scenario real quickly, much like a fever induced touhou themed nightmare
But Battle Against a True Hero is a fully fledged Touhou song tho. It was applied the 5 rules of the ZUN:
1. A beginning part (sometimes) almost no one remembers / the main part as the beginning but with less instruments
2. A main part that gets excessively used throughout the song
3. A beautiful middle part
4. A Resolving end to it, ready to loop to the beginning, but without the beginning part (most of the time)
And the most important one...
5. Trumpets/ZUNpets, and not too less if you know what I mean ;))
Edit: whut 250 likes?? Well thats a first to me
Wait, am i crazy? Isn't the beginning part what everyone remembers the most about Battle Against a True Hero?
A beginning no one remembers ? What is bro talking about, BAaTH's beginning is what most people remember, and if I had to list the total amount of Touhou tracks whose beginning is the most memorable part I would not have enough space.
@@irithylloldman6526everyone Just skips to the 6-7 notes of BAATH.
ZUNpets!!! P.S. the intro is maybe one of my favourite parts of this track. How it just... gently glides into all that epic... so well done
i knew battle against a true hero was heavily touhou inspired when i had recently tried getting into the series and had a moment of going "hey, this song's style feels really familiar"
Undertale fandom and Touhou fandom: *literally dumping each other
Toby Fox and Zun: 🤝
When did that happen
Quite a while ago, both of the fandoms were at war, but now they're chill with each other. I don't know the reason why this whole debate started, but I'm not going to look into it.
@@Hiroshiken71 long ago, 2 races ruled the Japanese/Japanese-adjacent video game music realm: Touhou and Undertale
One day, war broke out between the two fandoms.
yes and no exactly. while the undertale community was openly looking for a war. A small sector of the entire Touhou community was the one that began to follow the fight. To the point that to avoid a fandom war, the same author of Undertale managed to speak with the author of Touhou to make certain things clear and end the conflict that had unnecessarily started a part of his game's community. I saw this when it happened and it didn't make sense. I played Undertale after having played many Touhou games. So I knew from the beginning that Touhou had indeed existed before Undertale. Despite all this disaster, the authors get along quite well to the point where Zun himself decided to use some of Toby's pieces as inspiration for some of his most current games. They released an album together and nothing happened here. But the conflict in those years was ridiculous.
@@Hiroshiken71 If my memory serves me correctly, the conflict had started over the music. Well, Undertale fans had started saying that Touhou was copied from Undertale or something like that, that's all I can remember.
4:16 I don't know Toby could travel in time😂
Is canon
It only makes sense
Beautiful
Touhou and Undertale try not to have the best game osts challenge: impossible
Two of among the very best games which revolutionized the gaming industry. These were so epic, that their communities are still alive and kicking. The story, the art, the ost, the concept were all on point. Gotta love em.
The similarity between the Your Best Friend leitmotif and U.N. Owen Was Her? going unmemtioned is a CRIME
0:44 I was listening to this on background and legit thought this was a touhou track
point taken
But there is no Zunpet tho
@@Akira_Nishikiyama_reaction I instinctively thought it was an arrangement on one of the fighting game spinoffs or sth
@@Jackie_burnp Nah, fighting game also have Zunpet. But it do sound a bit like Touhou theme
Heartache instrumental do sound like Zun pet tho
you know what is similar? Zun made touhou by his lonesome after learning how to make games and music and art....Toby Fox also did the same where his undertale was made by his own self taught game dev skills....so really id say toby fox is the next gen Zun XD
Toby had at least one other person helping him with UT though he did most of the work himself. Most notably Temmie Chang
Are you forgetting about temmie?
There are so many kirby vibes in touhou lol
Huh???
Honestly... the song names, yeah.
True
Yuyuko is a Kirby vibe.
Bird that Carries You Over a Disproportionately Small Gap sounds a lot like "Well of Infinite Depth ~ Electric Onryo" from the Touhou fan album "Awakening Deep Mythos"
Undertale has some absolutely incredible song names
@@victorvirgili4447true that
So, Omega Flowey theme is just Toby sharing his "le epic touhou music remix" lmao
5:55 Yes! You can't tell me this wasn't intentional! The resemblance is uncanny!
I don't get it for this one
Also an interesting comparison is the fact they’re both nobility who choose a spear as their weapon and are highly charismatic.
**Reminder that they are inspired by each other*
5:54 so ASGORE is indirectly a Beethoven Reference?
Technically also a castlevania reference as that version of Remilia's theme sounds similar to bloody tears (Rondo of blood)
Toby Fox 🤝ZUN
making tracks I listen on repeat every day
"Your best friend" is also the fun song from SpongeBob
"Your Best Nightmare" really got a damn load of Touhou.
When you play lunatic
Sans: it' a beautiful day outside-
Reimu: wait, who are you?
Sans: whoopsie, wrong game
gosh i love tofu i mean tofu i meant tohu i meant tofhou i mean tohouf i mean toufhu i mean toufouh i mean touhiuh i mena toughgoug ui mean tougough mi mean toughiugh ti mena tougouh i mean tougu i mea totu i mean tofu i meam tougou i meam touhou
well yes, because toby most likely drew direct inspiration from Touhou Project; Iirc he's stated he's a fan, also the longer I listen to this, is this bait lol some of these are reaches
No one believed me whenever I'd say Flowery's theme sounded like Loose Rain... Thank you for putting this out there!
The "U.N. Owen was Hero?" Hype has got to us all HARD!
mettaton and napstablook = jo’on and shion
It feels strange that Asriel is such a blatant reference to Sariel from HRtP.
Like, the names are anagrams of each other, they are both associated with death and that’s not even mentioning the fact that the weird clothes all of the Dreemurs wear is almost the same as hers.
HOLD ON A F***ING MINUTE ISNT THAT FLAWLESS WINGS OF YATAGARASU?!?! 7:01
That is a remix of this song
gd player moment
ialways love music comparisons
3:58 Honestly, I think "Core" is very similar to "Maple Dream..." from Touhou 3 (1997).
Eternal dream from IN too
I instantly think about the undyne fight whenever someone compares these two soundtracks.
Your Best Friend is actually a direct reference to F.U.N. Song from SpongeBob. This was indirectly confirmed in a now-deleted tweet from November 2015 where Toby quotes the song
its a very long shot to say oddly similar
Well considering Touhou was one of the many sources of inspiration for Toby when creating Undertale I wouldn't be surprised if many of the soundtracks in the OST are inspired by some of ZUN's songs.
I find it quite funny how Heartache's (potential) inspiration also has the pan flute sound, the same one from World Revolving. (If you didn't know, Jevil's theme was originally supposed to be Heartache when Toby was initially working on Deltarune in 2012)
I'm seeing a lot of people commenting about the similarities between the UT and TH soundtrack, but nobody is talking how both games have their own "song that can be played everywhere" meme. For Undertale, there's Megalovania, and for Touhou, there's Bad Apple!! (specially the Alstroemeria Records version), so I don't think that music is the only similarity between UT and TH, they also share other stuff together too, so yeah.
And also the character-that-is-more-popular-than-the-protagonist thing, with Touhou having Flandre and Undertale having, of course Sans. And also the story taking place in a world islolated from the normal world, having characters being either human or monsters (in Touhou's case youkai) with the protagonist being one of the few humans being in a world full of monsters/youkai and having fandoms that are very big and not as toxic as before, being quite chill now.
@@ARandomIndieGameEnjoyer Wait, Flandre is the more popular character? I thought it was Cirno! But alright then. Thx for letting me now about this!
@@ShadowGD_OfficialYT Well idk, but I think more people (who dont play touhou) know about flandre mostly because of U.N. Owen was her
@@ARandomIndieGameEnjoyer Oh yeah, that makes sense.
also 8:40 sounds more like "here we are" than "amalgam". even the piano is similar
exactly i dont know why they didnt put that.
it has interesting connotations, since that part in here we are is supposed to be alphys theme motif. so does that mean that alphys theme was made after here we are? trippy.
Welp can't wait to see this comment section turn into flame war of which song copy the other song, all because someone forget to credit a certain Bad Alppe song when try to make a Undertale parody of it :)
I love misinformation!!
We do a little trolling
Some Titles of the Touhou SoundTracks Describe a little the lore of undertale
With how many Touhou themes there are, if you stick enough titles together you could get an entire book.
Sariel's theme from HRtP have enough alternative names to create a synopsis, lol
I have always had the idea that Undertale was somewhat inspired off of Touhou.
Like has anyone ever noticed that Asgore and Flandre Scarlet's attack patterns are far too similar sometimes?
Toby literally admitted that Touhou was one of his main inspirations
@@Mr.Yeast2 Ahh I didn't know
Toby is pretty Coal, but he made a pretty god-tier soundtrack. ZUN seems chill though, and Touhou overall has a god-tier soundtrack, imo
He is infact pretty coal
@@hazelbagels024 yes
Bullet hell : Both check
Nice designs : Both check
Pixel games : Both check
Nice, nostalgic OST : *ABSOLUTELY BOTH CHECK*
7:38 Bad Flower!!
hearing flowey theme always makes me get scared because how much of a menace they where
Mettaton sharing a motif with fucking Keiki is crazy
Toby fox loves touhou, he even inuded some motifs in his homestuck songs!
i mean toby took a good chunk of inspiration from touhou...
I can imagine Toby had some inspiration, but when actually listening to the songs, it's not like they are THAT similar to say they are directly inspired by it or trying to recreate it. Both games have amazing soundtracks, and while seeming a little familiar, they are still quite different
Is it just me or none of them (excluding Your best nightmare) are similar?
5:53
@@turkia6148it might be similar in few notes but for me its still more of a different ost
when I hear both parts of the soundtrack I think. How come lone developers still make the most amazingly beautiful soundtracks?
those who got the truckfreak newsletter in their email would know that toby fox grew up with touhou, and based the bullet system around it! Its definitely no suprise that the music in undertale is so similar!
Well, iirc SOULs themes are confirmed to be from Touhou.
Also Undertale's Megalovania has similarities with Complete Darkness from 2nd Touhou, at least at the beginning.
To be honest yea I wish it’s still the same way like where Toby makes similar songs to new Touhou games with his new games. It’s not plagiarism when the it’s only inspired.
As both a touhou and undertale fan I´ve enjoyed this so so much, thank you!
Alternate title: Touhou and Undertale copying each other.
Oh no... The 2nd wave has begun
Undertale just took inspiration from Touhou and other games. Although I think Toby Fox isn't a bad composer, he's very overrated, but that's because of the Undertale fandom.
I think them sounding similar is actually a good thing
There's bad and good parts of the fandoms. I'm both a Touhou and Undertale fan and I hate it when Touhou and Undertale "fans" argue over random stuff, but luckilly there's a part of both fandoms which get along with each other.
@@ARandomIndieGameEnjoyer The thing I hate (or dislike very much at laest) the most of Touhou fandom is that many of the people in it "ship(s)" every character even with the rocks.😂
@@Veranek Yea, I remember I watched a vid (from Suwawako I think) about ships in Touhou and I was surprised on how much there actually is, and even then, barely any of them made sense lol
i think toby was inspired by the touhou series,thats what makes the game unique,an rpg where you can actually dodge attacks and not hope for a dodge
He said it himself
You should've just put every single touhou track that has ZUNpets in the ZUNpet part of Battle Against a True Hero
I can never listen Apparition stalks the night the same way again lol
Not mentioning how the middle of "Dummy!" is really similar to an early section of "Love-colored Master Spark"?
This video is now canon because Toby collaborated with Zun
it's not "oddly similar"?
Toby grew up playing Touhou games and some of his biggest inspiration for Undertale is danmaku for bullet patterns with enemies and how ZUN's music influenced his own style heavily, so why is this "oddly similar"
And Zun said (in the interview with toby fox) that he likes Undertale and its music, maybe even was inspired by it in the latest games like this 4:15 5:01 8:40
Toby Fox and Zun are both composer who can just feels the music, Toby just applies that more to adjusting leitmotifs to fit while Zun is truly free with the flow. Both end up with gorgeous melodies that soar over their pieces.
The first Touhou theme also sounds like the Finale of Omega Flowey, because of how epic it sounds.
Touhou will always have a special place in my heart
I still like that World Revolving in Deltarune Chapter 1 is a mashup of like three different themes. (iirc, UN Owen was Her, Flowering Night and parts of World Revolution from Chrono Trigger.)
Toby Fox X ZUN=🤝
You can see similarities in music all the time lmao. Tbh sometimes its just subconscious for the composers.
I'm Japanese and both are great games!
7:29 the clearest similarity in my opinion
they both got inspirations from eachother as besties beautiful
"mettaton vs keiki" now i goona see tohow an get my battes in my mind "inspiration by jsboy"
two of my favorite indie games of all time.
warms my heart
The first one reminds me of Kid’s Festival ~ Innocent Treasures.
ASGORE reminds me of Gensokyo Millenium ~ History of the Moon.
ZUN is a lot better at composing than drawing lol
eosd sakuya flashbacks
@@xiaoturtle1924the lips are extravagant
0:19
Whats weird is flowey's theme is actually taken from a spongebob episode, neat,
But there is sometimes where there is a music stuck in your head and you dont remember where did you hear it
And some musicians have that and sometimes make the music and when it happens, sometimes the music is from something they dont remember
But, Toby is a fan of touhou at the end of the day lol
I love how some of these similarities are from _newer_ games, meaning they're almost certainly straight up coincidences. ❤
6:38 wait, i heard something wrong here, did i hear galaxy collapse being played? or is it just me 🤔
Galaxy collapse is a remix of Heian Alien
I cant believe tofu stole from udder trail smh
Yeah so sad that toehoe has been copying under tail for almost 25 years
@@turkia6148real
@@turkia6148lol
@@mekaee when a comment is overly misspelled, it's a joke.
@@ARandomIndieGameEnjoyer oo okay than I have to delete the messages