These Stupid Things Need To Be BANNED
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You know it's serious when Josh mentioned Gelael without being followed-up by "bruh".
bruh
Bruh
My disappointment is immeasurable. And my day is ruined
@@dangerdean9066 bruh
I wish I could double-like this comment. Even showed the clip without the sound effect.
I agree. The problem is that the FIA is reactive not pro-active. They're understaffed and try to bend the stick until it'll inevitably and sadly break. The other problem is that teams who speak out about those things might get hindered by another one for pure competitiveness. We just need to remember how the Halo was implemented and how some teams and even drivers (I know...) were vehemently against it until the FIA stepped up and forced it on safety measures ground.
Sadly, some human beings are stupid.
Sausage Kerbs DO have a purpose, it shows how important halos are
Honestly thinking back to how controversial they were at the time, Jesus they’ve saved a lot of lives and/close calls over the years since being introduced, it’s insanr
the thing about safety, is you never want to use/prove it, kinda like seatbelts in every day driving
@@rogerw-interested urm actually i crash my car weekly to test my seatbelts 🤓
Halo didnt cover your spine though like many examples in the video. Did you even watch the video mate?
@@MH-is7eu Have you seen the cars flying onto another, being inches away from the lower driver's head? Did you even watch the video mate?
Also, when you fly off the track through a guardrail after being launched, the halo will save you too. Ask Romain Grosjean.
A few years ago, when NASCAR was racing the Indianapolis road circuit, there was a MASSIVE one of these curbs on the way out of the kink turn. Multiple cars were destroyed, not because a driver was too aggressive, but because the curb actually came up and damaged the cars causing nearly a dozen cars to be retired in the span of about 10 seconds. They gotta end.
6:46. Damn. That's a solid oof. For those who don't understand this reference, google "Turkish Flight 981". One of the deadliest air crashes in history and entirely preventable.
I agree, Stefano Dominicalli needs to banned
It’s worth documenting that these things have plagued all Motorsports, not just the typical F1 and their support series. While the Charlotte NASCAR clip was mostly due to poor chicane design, the 2021 Indy Roval race had 2 ridiculous incidents caused by these thing. The first in which it broke, sending shrapnel and cars everywhere, and dealing 2018 Champion Joey Logano one of the hardest hits of his career. The second, sent that year’s Daytona 500 winner Michael McDowell into the air before he spun and was T-Boned by Austin Dillion. The NASCAR support races had problems with a kerb placed in an even worse spot (which was removed for the cup series race after driver complaints). The kerb hurt Indycar that weekend too. In an Indycar support race at Road America, a car was launched into the catchfence when it clipped one of the kerbs and it took down several yards of fencing. As shown, in the 6 hours of Monza, an Aston Martin GT3 hit the kerbs while spinning and it rolled the car on its roof before the car began barrel rolling down the straight. In 2018, an LMP2 car hit the kerbs during the 6 hours of Spa and took flight, doing a full backflip before sliding upside down into the tire barriers. Along with numerous other incidents of cars hitting at higher angles than they should after clipping the kerbs, these things need to be eradicated, not for the fans or even for the racing, but for driver safety
The best way to enforce track limits is how it’s done in Monaco. Just hit the wall
I can add another problem with these curbs, they can come up, like in that one nascar race in 2021
Couldn't agree more. Oulton Park Circuit, Cheshire, UK. Turn 1 (Old Hall Corner) was forever being run wide on. The circuit put a highly abrasive surface beyond track limits, that would cheese grate tyres, and drivers mostly respect this corner now, or they pay with shredded tyres. I don't understand why any circuit with sausage kerbs still has them. Surely we don't have to wait for a death, until they are taken away? The problem now, is that it seems that is what it will take. Foolishness at best, an underhanded way of 'adding drama' at worst. Each sport (especially motorsport) creates their own memorable incidents, yet there are those who want to stage-manage these events though, and invent drama. I will not mention Michael Masi.
puncture spikes
sandpaper
super sticky glue that slows you down
fabric sheets / ropes
reverse-edge sponge wall (the top side is sticking in to the course, thus it does not launch the car into the sky)
neodim magnet (uses eddy current)
throttle limit when detected
The FIA has never given a shit about driver safety.
Time after time they've allowed the "unthinkable" to happen because they wont act until their hands are forced.
Just like other safety features, they shouldn't be banned but never in a position where a car should be able to hit them at speed making them a ramp.
Such an approach would definitely ban 90% of them, im a fan of just raining the damn normal kerb angle, wont ramp a car but it makes them a detriment to exploit.
Josh Revell to become FIA president!!!!!😊
the very unfortunate fact is somebody will have to die to enforce a change.
We call them turtles in America and they’re rarely installed correctly but whether they are or not they tear up every type of car and do more harm than good
Wasn't there a f2 McLaren that got launched over a fence
People on electric scooters! They should allow electric scooters to ride around the boundaries of the tracks!
motoGp has track limits sensors - easy done.
Nascar race Indy 2021 curve broken
That's the problem of the drivers. They are not able to drive ON the track. That's the problem with track limits
I've always been a fan of the idea used at some turns at Silverstone: the thin green line.
You have the edge of the track, then a metre of grass; anyone who abuses track limits is punished with the loss of traction from driving on the green. But beyond that, *then* you have tarmac run off, so that anyone who completely loses it doesn't just skip off the grass into the barriers.
Or just use weight sensors and motion cameras with an asphalt runoff. Then you utilize slow down penalties, better battles, safer racing imo
How safe is that solution?
Even a small grass strip could cause the cars to flip.
@Jehty21 it would just be sensors under the pavement. No different surface would be needed
@@andrewfetter4843 I wasn't talking about your solution.
I was asking OP 😉
Grass is easy to maintain in the UK. Try maintaining a green grass line around the circuit in Sakhar or any other desert circuit. Try fitting one in in Monaco or any urban circuit.
Haven't watched the video, but if I see a video about banning sausage kerbs, I click like.
I read "banging" and it felt weird for a moment.
@@nachtblau79 you're not the only one mate😂
Agreed. They’re way too annoying in F1 22
@@nachtblau79not the only 1
@Rob-zo5ru Haha
The 4 horseman aston was a serious eye opener for me. Ive seen formula cars destroyed plenty but watching a GT car be torn apart like that was very scary to watch.
It’s terrifying when you realize without the halo, some of those crashes would’ve been fatal.
And even with HALO, drivers can have problems with spine
Honestly I think the halo has just made Driver's more reckless it feels like every weekend in f2 we're talking about the halo saving someone or seeing a car on top of each other
I think they would have been nastyer, but I'm not sure they would have been 100% fatal.
In the 90s people were riding on top parts of the walls with their helmet tops, with only minor injuries. HALO was really useful only in the Grosjean crash already. So yup it works, and is the boon, because 3 children have a father, but don't overestimate that stuff. Head protection in autosport should be increased.
@@slap_k_man1862 yeah, we survived without the halo just fine for decades. And suddenly it’s been a lifesaver multiple times? Shenanigans.
I've always asked myself why after the Peroni crash '19 they held onto these kerbs. The guy literally flew higher than the fences... and we saw how fragile those thing are on Zhous crash in Silverstone.
Peroni's crash should have been the impotus to fix it. The fact that they didn't means they never will. A closer fence and a grandstand on that corner would have been an incredible tragedy.
It's F1, they can and will happily wait until it kills someone before they fix it just as they've done with every safety advancement of the last 70 years
"Should we wait for one of these cars to clear the fences"
Well, Floresch did and they didnt care
She didn't even have to clear the fence she was going 120+ and just went through it, luckily into a temporary camera structure or whatever instead of a grandstand filled with people.
@@gregoryfernandez6676...I've been watching open wheel racing since '67: I've seen some brutal accidents; but hers was the most terrifying thing I've EVER seen.
@@philgiglio7922 has to be one of the most brutal non fatal racing crashes of all time
BTW, for anyone wondering about the "McDonnell Douglas approach" Josh makes at 6:47, here's some context on what I think he's referring to with that (this is gonna be a very brief simplified version of the crash - for more details I'm gonna link a really good Medium article about it at the bottom of this comment which goes into a lot of detail of the whole story)
McDonnell Douglas was an American aircraft manufacturer which produced multiple different aircraft, one of these being the three engine wide-body airliner known as the DC-10. In 1972, issues with the DC-10's cargo doors had been discovered after one of them was blown off of an American Airlines flight leaving Ontario, Canada, and the subsequent investigation into the accident had recommendations for major design changes.
However, due to a variety of factors, the actual design changes ended up being fairly minor and on one DC-10 that was later sold to Turkish Airlines, some of these changes were never actually made. In 1974, this very plane would suffer another cargo door failure, and would crash into a forest just outside of Paris, killing all 346 people onboard - at the time the worst aviation disaster in history. The subsequent investigation and digging by journalists would then find out that people at McDonnell Douglas and sub-contracted companies who had worked on the DC-10 had known about these issues long before the 1972 American Airlines incident and had also known that it could lead to a major incident but did nothing about it, with McDonnell Douglas even avoiding major penalties for the 1972 incident via a gentlemen's agreement between one of the Presidents of McDonnell Douglas and the head of the Federal Aviation Authority.
After the Turkish Airlines crash however, the jig was up - McDonnell Douglas was forced to make major design changes to the cargo door and had to payout HUGE amounts of cash in a lawsuit that had been brought against them by the victims of the 1974 crash. Yeah, you can see why our mate Josh made that comparison now? Not doing anything about a major issue until it ends up killing someone.
Anyway, here's the article.
admiralcloudberg.medium.com/a-legal-and-moral-question-the-crash-of-turkish-airlines-flight-981-and-the-dc-10-cargo-door-saga-d22f0b9fa689
Nice summary thanks.
By jig you mean gig. The gig was up
@@janeblogs324The “jig is up” is a common idiom. It used to refer to an old dance, but more or less means ‘we’ve been caught and have no defense’.
Interesting to how this holds up a year later. Noting the current issues plaguing Boeing.
Honestly the abrasive tire eating surface sounds like the best idea, just have straight sandpaper outside track limits lol
Just grass and gravel, Makes it more of an challange then being "oh fuck I ran wide, Oh there is tarmac here lets go over it"
only thing about that is motogp also runs on some of these circuits, i would not wanna be the guy to find out how sliding across sandpaper at 100+mph feels. but yeah if implement right it would seem like a good option for 4 wheel racing, especially with how soft the compounds are in F1 at the moment.
@@thomasholmes3303 I reall dont know which is better sandpaper at 100+mph or a sausage kurb. I guess with sandpaper you get lucky with only ripped of skin, with sausage kurb your might be lucky to be able to walk. Either way both not sucha great solutions.
I think grass is the perfect solution. It costs you a lot of time without ruining your race, plus your tires will have grass on them for a while after you get back on track.
@@combatmedic007 grass is better than both
This is your best video yet, Josh. VERY well said! The "three brain cells" at the FIA absolutely need to heed all the warning signs because this is getting ridiculous. I love racing and I hate seeing drivers injured.
Sadly the three braincells only concerned about what drivers can and cannot wear and say.
@@AntoniusTyas or their politics, thinking Breonna Taylor and Hamilton. I feel he's right in his indignation and I agree with him on that subject
Let's hope this gets more traction than I've managed to. Well done mate.
I was gonna say, I saw this and I immediately remembered your wordpress article on disaster incubation theory
We've been talking about it on Twitter for quite a while. Unfortunately, not enough people care, and the ones who do care do not care enough.
Thank you for your efforts on this and many other safety related topics.
Thank you for all the work and info you've given us fans about driver safety!
I remember in 2012 Vergne from Toro Rosso losing the car from having a broken DRS at the end of the straight in Monza, spinning backwards onto the sausage kerb at the first corner, obviously launched airbourne and nearly rolled. I'm surprised nobody addressed the issue at the time, and that was ELEVEN years ago!
Finally someone is addressing this again! Sausage kerbs are a cancer in the racing scene! Thank you for bringing this up
They're only dangerous when people forget how to race
@@PanzerFalcon2232 Idiots take.
@@PanzerFalcon2232 what a shit take
@@PanzerFalcon2232 Yes if someone does intentionally cut the corner then fair enough, that's their fault. But when the car starts spinning out and they can't do anything about it then it's like in the video where the car slides over these curbs and then good luck bringing it under control.
Second thing is some of these tracks are used by motorcycles too and these curbs can be deadly for them, like literarily.
I get that this should work, like in a way to punish drivers to race properly and not cheat, but there has to be a better way then this, because this is outright dangerous and causes more problems then actually solving them.
@@PanzerFalcon2232 So your idea of punishing people who "Forget how to race" is serious injury or death. Might as well suggest sniper enforced speed limits for anyone who speeds on pit road while you're at it with that kind of take.
The most alarming recent incident is the Porsche that ended up in the grandstands at Portimao a few weeks ago because of a sausage kerb. Fortunately, the grandstand was not crowded, but it could have ended in tragedy...
I just googled that one holy fucking shit so lucky no spectators there
I completely agree the sausage kerbs need to go, but several other things contributed to that 911 ending up in the stands. The apex is on a crest which helped launch the car, the gravel trap is not very deep or wide and slopes downward away from the track, and the grandstands are not far enough away from the fencing, which seems like it's only designed to catch open wheelers and not 1300 kg GT cars. I have no doubt a simple brake failure could lead to the same result.
FIA doesn't care. They're in the business of being the FIA, not caring about racing, racing drivers, racing staff or racing fans...
I'm surprised none of the drivers didn't threatened to sue the FIA because those things are literally a 1000 lawsuits
when you do that as a driver it's like suing the only company that employs people in your industry. There is only 1 FIA and they govern all worldwide motorsport categories pretty much. So sue them and they blacklist you or make your career nigh on impossible. That's the only reason why they haven't been sued.
@@corpsecoder_nw6746 even nascar and rally racing?
Pretty sure whatever waiver you sign getting your FIA license (and the venue itself, and probably the event organizers) covers pretty much anything that could happen on track. Hard to argue sausage kerbs are a legal liability when you’re willingly going 160mph through EauRogue and Radillion (as an example)
@@corpsecoder_nw6746 Athletes are pussies now, back in the day athletes actually put their careers on the line to make change happen. You know how we got free agency in American sports? A baseball player named Curt Flood sacrificed his career and got blackballed out of MLB so that future players could choose what teams they want to play for and get paid what they deserve.
And unlike Curt Flood’s situation, this problem is one that seriously injures and could potentially kill people. Someone’s just gotta take one for the team and just hope that what happened to Flood doesn’t happen to them. (Also the FIA doesn’t control what happens in ALL motorsport, American motorsports are plentiful and the FIA doesn’t have much influence)
@@anonluxor470 nascar is a different sanctioning body. however, FIA is the org behind most rally championships (WRC, ERC, W2RC, etc)
I knew sausage kerbs were pretty sketchy, but I never knew they were that dangerous! great vid as always Josh!
My kids and I were at the NASCAR race at Indianapolis in 2021. Between turns 5 and 6. Right where a car (Byron) oil pan was ripped off by a kerb (Scott McLaughlin the previous day and Bubba Wallace went airborne there). We have a field of 3500lb stock cars coming right at us hitting the barrier. Scary and wild.
Was NOT a sausage curb. What that was was a NORMAL CURB coming up (I don't believe it was secured properly) and spinning Byron, along with many others, into the barrier.
@@crimson_inselit was a sausage Kerb, or at least a heavily raised one, but nonetheless, it is an issue, and even Mark Winterbottom (From Supercars) has raised the concern that even Supercars are no longer as durable as they once were, which is valid, just as NASCAR has done with it’s NextGen cars, Supercars also has new cars, and they may be just as durable, but they are, in the same spirit as NASCAR, rigidly built, to reduce costs for equipment, but alas, this is the same issue as F1 and IndyCar, rigid build vehicles with nil to none in suspension is terrible for Sausage Kerbs, in a way, this can result in what happened in the 2012 Boost Mobile 600 Supercars Series race in the Gold Coast.
6:50 "Are you really going to take the Mcdonnell Douglas approach of fixing things?"
As a avgeek myself, this hits perfectly.
Also, what MD was back in the 70s is just like Boeing nowadays, the ways that both companies deal with problems are shit.
I mean MD is part of Boeing nowadays...
Same here. I heard that and immediately pictured the computer animation of Turkish Airlines 981 diving towards the French countryside. Hopefully the FIA isn’t that stupid to wait for something catastrophic to happen before taking action.
Both Boeing and McDonnell Douglas are shitty with their fixes even before the merger. Remember United 811 and Lauda 004? Boeing either refused responsibility or outright shirked the responsibility to the victim, respectively
Might be because a whole bunch of the corrupt, greedy, immoral execs from MD stayed at Boeing when the merger happened and have been in power ever since. A bunch of them should be in jail for life
"Are they waiting for the unthinkable to happen?" Yes, yes they are because it's cheaper for them to wait for a death and wait for the new standards to handed down than explore options of replacements and need to replace those if they don't meet the standards which is the sad/scary part
They should use sensors like in MotoGP. Probably the only thing those stewards do right imo. If you go onto the green paint it’s a warning and after 5 warnings maybe give a 5 second penalty?
I'd rather it be a _one position_ penalty. That'll hurt more, on average.
3 and a 5 second penalty.
Bring a long lap penalty to F1
the teams are so far apart in performance, a 5 sec penalty wont mean much to many, kinda like Russell having free pit stop in the last race. he wasnt worried about just 5 sec
@@rogerw-interested if you have such an advantage you don't need to gain .3 of a second cutting the corner
Yup agreed @JoshRevell. On another point, as much as i love DRS, i kinda wish it wouldn't be allowed and or more be used more restrictively. it's a hot take, but when teams such as redbull are gaining so much because of it, i feel as though in general, not just for the sake of RB dominating, that it should be either pushed back in the initial laps (2 to 3or4) or something along those lines. And the concept of changing, and/or restricting DRS doesn't entirely get rid of it, because the fans love the close actions and overtaking, but it would really then bring the core of the car design (aero and much more) AND engines back into the main factors that determine RAW top speed. Just an opinion :)
On that note, i have no negative bias towards RB, they are absolutely killing it. And as a long term Checo fan, i support the team, and many others... mercedes' big 'Sir Lewis Hamilton'
I was at turn 1 at COTA in Austin 2021. And Christian Weir's and Abbie Eaton's trip into the sky was almost identical. Wasn't until after Abbie got hurt too that they removed the kerb in between sessions.
Just do the IndyCar way: no track limits rules, because there's grass around the track.
Ah yes, the cota last turn thing
Only sausage I want to have is one grilled in fire.
I had no IDEA how prevalent the injuries to drivers were.
Very eye opening. 👍👍🏁
Honestly it feels like the teams aren't pushing enough. We all know how stubborn the FIA can be, they don't really care if fans or a few drivers speak out about it. One way is to have all the teams collectively protest against it seriously, force the FIA to hear them. The sadder other way is like you said, wait for the unthinkable to happen so the FIA finally open their damn eyes
That’s literally all they do. The FIA has honestly done some poor work with safety these past years, including race directors. And when I say that I mean in general, there have been numerous moments throughout racing series this year and previous years as well where it’s just been an utter state of chaos. Take Esteban on his final pitstop in baku just this past Sunday for example. They care about safety but truly, they don’t care enough. Take the protesters at the formula e race a little bit back for example. They have all these protocols and procedures in place to make sure that certain things happen correctly and promptly, but yet they can hardly follow them. It’s something that should be taken into serious consideration.
And don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that improvements in safety haven’t been a massive step in where we’ve come from but it’s just the awareness in certain moments that I’m really trying to get at here. They let things fly over their head at times, and then it’s just like wtf are y’all even doing up there. I guarantee that you could put a group of fans that are really invested in Motorsport in the stewards and race directors seats and positions and they’d do a better job
Well the teams maybe should, you know, discipline their drivers to respect track limits.
@@aaronwestley3239 bait or mental retardation?
Even that doesn't work nowadays. Nobody wanted to sprint in Baku. Nobody. And they had to do it anyways.
What’s even more bizarre, Peroni didn’t break his vertibrae landing on the fence, he broke them on impact with the sausage kerb
They could lead to truly horrific crashes like Le Mans in 1955 or Tony Renna's crash testing at Indy.
I mean we were very lucky that Peroni in the f3 didn't die a few years ago because of it
@@core_russell3869It’s a good thing he didn’t land directly back on the pavement. I shudder to think what might’ve happened had that been the case.
@@FlashoftheBlades absolutely, that fencing actually saved his life
@@core_russell3869 And his back. I imagine that, if he landed back on solid ground, that broken vertebra he sustained could’ve easily been multiple broken vertebrae, or worse.
Good thing that particular sausage kerb (or as it’s called in my country, a “turtle”, due to the fact that a cross section of said kerbs has the shape of a turtle 🐢 shell) was removed afterwards.
I like the landmine idea, or maybe outside of the regular kerbs there's a bunch of white paint that is constantly kept wet so they spin if they go too far out of track limits.
Love ya Josh, keep up the good work!
Would rumble strips work? Sure it would be a bumpy ride, but the high point is equal to the track surface and the low point is a few cm (or a few dozen mm if you prefer mm), I don't think this would cause the cars to fly up in the air, more like significant bottoming out.
Yes
Get this thing out of racing
I said it on the other video but it seems that FIA will only react when someone gets killed, just like in the gOoD oLd DaYs
Replace the inside kerb area with very low grip surface, such as polished concrete or painted surfaces, that provide little benefit to drive over while loaded up in a turn.
Trackside sensors might be a very good solution. Five seconds for every curb encroachment. Maybe you get a stop and go under green in the last laps of the race, with the hold time based on how many penalties you accrued, so the results on the track correlate to the time penalties.
It would be a boatload of money to put them in, but if a track can put on an F1 show, they can make the investment.
I mean just using some motion cameras would do the trick to and wouldn't be that costly. If you want to add weight sensors it will get a bit more costly but camera resolution and speed are no longer an issue for this. Shows you how brain dead the officials are on this. I'm sure certain ML companies might even sponsor it to show off image recognition software to boot.
@@andrewfetter4843 just like it's done in alot of others sports.
Hats off to you Josh. Your videos are awesome. Your personality and narration are amazing. I hope someone in FIA watched this and get their priorities straight.
Absolutely agree with you. Any other F1/FIA content makers watching this, I'm sure he's not going to mind you making a video on the same subject. The quickest way to get the fans' feelings to their attention would be for all social media "names" to do the same thing at the same time.
For what it's worth, I always liked the slippy astroturf strips before the runoff, it makes it slower to cut the corner and they were normally followed by tarmac runoff for safety reasons, which is hard to exploit for a time advantage since if the strips are wide enough you have to cut so far that you're going to get a time penalty.
They did have some problems, they were a lot better at preventing you from extending entry/exit than they were at preventing you from cutting the apex, since it's a shorter distance across the turf rather than along it. They also often needed repairs, though the similar slippy wood planks achieved similar things while being more reliable. However, the main reason they got axed at most circuits is because they were unsafe for motorcycle racing.
Finally someone is making this video! I complained about this in a Feeder Series article about a year ago after Partyshev’s injury, and the fact that they exist is bs
Well, bring up weight sensors and cameras with asphalt run offs. It seems like the best choice. More battles, safer track, and instant penalties from the system.
here's an idea the FIA might like: replace the sausage kerbs, infact might as well replace every kerb, with razorsharp knives and blades. make them rotate and set fire to them, add a little bit of brick wall behind that and you've got yourself a track limit enforcing border with 100% chance of punishing those overextending, with shredded tires, suspensions, floorbodies, and humans
I remember the first race at Charlottes roval. That back stretch chicane was brutal on the cars and the Kerbs were bad. They adjusted it. It still Has unnessecarly large one but it’s less likely to launch a car now
Absolutely agree with you 100%
They may have been a deterrence back in the day to an extent but now are a nuisance.
The cars are running lower and faster than ever. It's just a matter of time before there is a fatality due to these God awful sausage kerbs.
Cadillac number 3 crashed in the 6 hrs of spa this year and that was primary due to suspension bottoming out and the sausage Krebs bruh
6:38 Sadly, a driver is going to have to die before the FIA will do anything.
Suggestion 1: replace sausage kerbs with infrared lasers (like on a computer mouse). If the beam is broken, race control gets a notification. Then they can go back and watch the footage to see who broke the beam - apply penalty.
Suggestion 2: Replace kerbs that define track limits with extremely slippery surfaces like teflon. If a driver goes too far over the track limits, they spin out.
intentionally having drivers spin out definitely isnt the answer (they could spin into other cars, the wall, the spin could change their momentum towards the track once they gained traction back), the laser idea is a good shout though.
Purposely causing spinning is also very dangerous
Having a lower traction material is a good option, but you definitely don't want them to spin out. If you force a spin, you end up with an on-track crash. If you just force a loss of traction, you likely won't crash but you will compromise their corner, making pushing it non-optimal.
improventment on suggestion 2: line the track limits with tank mines so anyone explodes crossing it
@@pikkyuukyuun4741 This is the correct solution that the government doesn't want you to know.
haha I have said it at least a million times on social media the easiest solution: On Thursday evening over a race weekend, Hamilton and Vettel should paint all the sausage kerbs on the circuit rainbow colour. Come Friday morning I guarantee it Bin Sulayem would be triggered and have the all the sausage kerbs removed by 8:30 AM, because of rainbow people and not caring about "human rights".
My opinion is either grass, or much more strict policing of track limits. Heck you could probably make an auto detect system that detects track limit violations automatically with something like a wire running around the edges of the track and transponder in each car that detects when it crosses said wire, or something like that.
Better than having kerbs causing crashes.
The problem with strict enforcement and sensors is that it would mean even more races are decided by judges decisions and penalties. The cars will cross the line and then we will see who gets how many seconds added on, and a couple of minutes later a computer tells us the actual rankings!
There will be discussions over x second penalties for only a small infraction that "didn't really impact the race", or comparrisons of who did or did not get a penalty. The beazty of kerbs, then grass, then gravel is the punishment for infractions happens naturally in the race, and drivers can make calculated risks, weighing up time lost/risk of getting stuck with the benefits of going over the limits.
The zero consequences we currently have in places without sausage kerbs seriously impact my enjoyment of the sport, having a computer calculate who won after the fact would entirely ruin it!
I think the curbs they used at the 2008 singapore GP were pretty good. You lose time of you take too much both entry and exit. And they wouldnt be able to 'launch' someone up so high in the air
I‘be not been in support of them (the Abbie Eaton accident was the one where it occurred to me how bad they are), but watching this video made it occur to me that they are a tragedy waiting to happen
I've grown up doing dirt oval stock cars. I have always wondered why the DRIVERS weren't ever part of the decision making process for track & safety adjustments. Not sure if F1 does as I'm not super-well versed in F1 behind the scenes.
F1 has the Grand Prix Drivers' Association (GPDA), who have historically been a major part of safety improvements since foundation in the early 1960s. A lot of its early safety work is often erroneously attributed to Jackie Stewart alone, but the cancellation of the 1969 Belgian GP and 1970 German GP for safety reasons came before he was its chairman. They disbanded for a while, then reformed after Imola 1994 and are still active to this day.
I remember a few years back after Silverstone 2013 and the tyre blowouts, there was some people saying that there might only be 3 drivers taking part in the following Grand Prix at Hockenheim (the 3 drivers not in the GDPA that season), although that never actually happened. Then more recently, the decision whether or not to race in Saudi Arabia following the missile strike nearby.
I like the idea of the kerb at the beginning of the long run to the finish at Baku. Was it Russell that went a little wide this weekend and it didn't injure him, but it definitely slowed him down and cost him a bit of time... all while not throwing him into the barrier at the end of it.
I used to race against Christian Weir. It was pretty cool to hear you mention him in this video. Sucks what happened but it’s still kinda cool that I personally know one of the people mentioned in this video
FIA when the see another accident because of sausage cerbs: No, we need to keep them for safety
FIA when they see devices, that improves stability and safety: BAN
I was half expecting to see your take on the near miss that was Ocon nearly inadvertently ploughing into photographers as the Parc Ferme was being set up before all pit stops had been made. That was scary
FIA will probably try to solve it by putting a sausage kerb on pit entry.
this reminds me of the last corner kerb at a karting track called whilton mill in the uk and i was taken out at that corner becuase another driver decided to hit me rather than flip his kart over the kerb (we were both ok i just sufferd from a fracterd finger)
Even more respect for Sophia having watched this. I hope she gets into a decent car and then an F1 drive.
I think grass is the option but maybe a very low grip material beyond the kerbs.
Problem with anything low grip is what happens when a car has two tyres on the track and two on the slippery surface. Sounds like the perfect way to turn an F1 car into an uncontrollable beyblade
The correct solution is to NOT edit out the pauses between sentences.
Presenting a stream of consciousness is simply dumb, and makes your stuff very difficult to take in.
Just speak like a normal human being, instead of NONSTOPTALKINGWHICHRUINSYOURVIDEO.
Thank you sir.
We love racing but never want to see a driver, team member or fan get hurt due to something that could have completely been avoided.
It's sad that something serious needs to happen in F1 for the FIA to take action...
Thank you for this video.
In (Internet-)Germany we say "Richtig und Wichtig", which means: Right and important.
I'm only just getting into paying attention to racing, and it's BAFFLING that ANYONE in charge would see the first car rocket into the air over one of these and NOT go "oh, right, maybe this isn't safe let's get rid of those and go back to the drawing board." Thank fuck for whoever had the idea of that halo system.
I think that the problem should be solved in the complex:
1) classic curbs should be raised mandatory on all autodromes. Not in V8 Supercars height, but height which was in the 2000s.
2) all autodrome's runoff areas should be tested with CFD. Gravel should be brought where rolling has low risks or will not be harmful.
3) track limits abuse should be punished strictly. Not +5 seconds - drive trough after the second violation (2 intended cuts), stop-and-go after 3rd, and all next.
As bad as some of the stewards' judgements on penalties or lack thereof for track limits have been (Leclerc Monza 2019, Verstappen Brazil 2021) they're unqestionably better than driver and potentially spectator injurys.
6:59 It’s funny, because that was one of the first things to ever happen, and when the fans rioted over it, the FIA did nothing
It’s horrible and I don’t want to just sit and wait until someone dies because of them, but I can’t do much. They are an old innovation that isn’t necessary and should be removed. It’s insane that the FIA doesn’t care about people breaking their backs and peoples heads nearly getting removed. They have to get removed or they will eventually result in death. I can imagine a scenario like in Silverstone last year when the F2(?) driver got launched into someone else’s cockpit, what if a piece of debris felt like going inside the gap of the halo, it’s a very real scenario and a horrific one at that. They have to get removed.
A good solution would be track limit sensors together with strict penalties according to how much track was cut, how many times it was cut, how much time was gained and so on. It won’t be perfect but it would be much better. Drivers can still push without risking injury but be penalised accordingly if they exceed limits
I hate to use Paul Ricard as an example, but the high abrasive runoff areas are super effective at keeping drivers on the racing surface. You run wide at 8 a few times and you just lost two laps of life in your tires. That’s the answer. Fight me.
The only reason to use those would be because it's the only practical and attainable way of enforcing track limits. This may have been the case in 2000s but today, in the era of millimeter precision sensors and instant transmission technology, just automate penalties and dish them out. Why do we need kerbs when we can see exactly when someone extends or cuts instantly on the tracker?
Abrsasive surfaces probably a pretty good idea if they could be workable, that sounds like a good balance, lukekarts also described an ok solution but I don't like time penalties they mess with the race
lets go to every track (especially imola) and unscrew all the sausage kerbs. Each one of us from our own country go to their local racetracks and proceed to unscrew each and every sausage kerb. Not possible? use a saw
Maybe they need to move to bacon curbs instead. Oily, crispy, and just the right amount of salt for the fans 🥓🥓
make it extremely slipper (slippery driving training course material?) just outside the tracklimit so that the lap i ruined and it is clear the driver went out of bounds and then outside of that of course good safety zones
i absolutely agree. sausage kerbs for all other forms of motorsport is a bad idea and i wish we'd go back to the days of vallelunga kerbs with grass on the other side. but i dont want to see it banned for a series like supercars because events like adelaide and the gold coast (particularly the gold coast) wont be as spectacular. plus those cars are designed to ride bumps so well that for supercars specifically it wouldn't be necessary to do so (and then just dont have openwheel/gt categories at the gold coast where its dangerous for those cars/drivers to use them)
Driver: Runs a little wide.
Sausages kerb: "You have chosen.....death"
WEC does a really good job of enforcing track limits. Yes. Ditch these things.
Bevore I clicked the video I was ready to post a comment like "they don't even ban sausage kerbs, so don't get your hopes up".
Those things are lethal in multiple ways:
1. Forces transmitted to the driver directly.
2. Loss of control (and brake force) by bottoming out on the kerb.
3. Destruction of the car's suspension etc. and following crashes.
4. Loss of control while airborne / coming on it at a unusual angle causing a roll over.
It would be fairly easy to design something "undesirable to run over" in most areas besides just straight cutting the corner, but I'd argue in situations where someone is unable to avoid going straight trough a corner it's better to rely on stewards than something which ends races, careers or eventually lifes.
Unfortunately, I don't see it changed without either a fatal accident or one impacting a high profile team/driver severely.
I think they should remove the sausage curbs and implement a "no touch" zone instead where touching it means getting a track limits warning or penalty.
If not for the halo numerous drivers would be dead because of these things. The FIA is going to wait for a driver to die and then act like heroes when they get rid of these kerbs.
For all the bragging they do about safety, they won't even get rid of these death kerbs.
just put concrete after the kerbs and put sprinklers inside the concrete on corner exits so the concrete is slightly wet and makes you lose grip this will work because when it is raining drivers wont even try going on the kerbs you already have circuits to test this out like abu dhabi and paul ricard