Just a couple of observations. You have the description wrong. The basket (+) is the anode and the piece of lead is the cathode (-). The electrons passing from the anode create an area of persulfate or "peroxysulfate". Persulfate decomposes very quickly as it moves away from the anode. The gold is dissolved by the persulfate and converted to gold persulfate. As it moves away from the anode area, the persulfate decomposes and the gold drops out as elemental gold. It's better to reclaim these resources even if it is not at a profit as it keeps them from ending up in the landfill. After the initial cost of equipment and chemicals, the only thing that cant be re-used is the electricity. Too, the cell works better if the anode and cathode are directly facing each other. Lower your volts to below 6 and your amps to 2-3 and your cell will not heat as quickly.
So for example , from the sample bunch of plated pins you placed in the solution, how much gold is actually yielded ?? and from what weight of the pins placed ?
HELP! I made a cell. Was reverse plating some high grade fiberoptic parts that worked okay. Then I dumped in some gold plated pins and there is no reaction only spark sounds coming from copper mesh. Also some other parts that deplete fine I will have to constantly move the parts around in the mesh the keep them contracting each other. Why cant I just dunk it in and it take the plating off whole batch. Why do I have to move them around to keep reaction going. Any ideas?
Wouldn't it be possible to electroplate an ultra thin slice of another material, plating it over and over again until it has built up into a sizable nugget? Then cut out the impure core with a very thin blade? Would that bypass having to filter the sludge and melt into a nugget?
hi I would like to purchase the book but I'm having problems on Amazon when I use your your link it comes out in German or in some foreign language I can understand you let me know where I can purchase the book please there is a lot of bad information and you seem to know what you're talking about I really would appreciate it thank you
I have done this a lot meaning processed a lot of plated materials and yes if by magic the gold plating goes into the sludge where you can filter it and process it out. That's where I ran into issues. Filtering it with triple coffee filter's and then melting the black sludge and coffee filters using mapp gas.
The gold will not cement on the electrodes. It just falls down. I am sure there is a process that is able to do as you said, but you would need pure gold as electrode.
The gold will form very fine black sludge which then has to be filtered from the solution. No further chemical steps required but refining it later on to achieve very high purity. The filtering is a bit tricky since the acid is very aggressive, so dont try it unless you know how to do it. Another way is to simply dilute the acid with normal water. The gold then will settle on teh bottom and the acid becomes neutral. The acid has to be poured into the water . not the other way around or it can cause a hefty exothermal reaction!!! That is all just in brief, please read watch and learn how to do this first to avoid getting hurt!
Sulfuric acid was used,the gold is still there.Just have to filter out the sludge and let it dry.Then wash the sludge twice and let it dry again.Then you can put it into a crucible and melt it,pour it.
Paper filters usually are eaten up if you use concentrated sulfuric acid. The recovery of the gold from teh solution is the tricky part of this. So far I have not heard about any real easy way.
well I have a silly question for you, I just put a few pins out of an old pentium chip in a bowl of sea salt and water mixed together just to see what would happen. It just kept setting there until most of the salt was around the rim. Than a quarters crystal fell in the bowl and I decided to leave it there and see what a low current might do. I now have what I think is called gold salt, as all of the gold is off the pins.... how would I go about electroplating that to something? I'm not sure if this information would help anyone trying to make money doing this but is more of a curiosity to me at this point.
***** Plating is 0.4-1 μm depending on quality. Purity is perhaps 90-95%. Density of gold is about 19.3 g/cm^3. Calculate the surface area of the pin and multiply by the plating thickness, the purity, the density and divide by the total weight of a pin.
The gold will reduce and bond onto a small gage copper wire, then the copper wire can be dissolved using either nitric acid or "battery acid" (35% sulfuric) and hydrogen peroxide. That's what I've always used for reclaiming the deposited gold from circuit boards. Now I own a gold plating company and have someone else do it. lol.
Nice video, Glad to see someone talking about the dangers. Ive searched for awhile as ive saved a ton of parts, now im overloaded but don't have the best methods for extracting what is gold or silver from old parts & making sure im getting the right parts.I haven't had the best of luck searching on how tos on this either. Anyone got some links or a page with info. Im not trying to waste time for change & get cancer doing it.
there was no mention on of how much power was used ,what the % of acid was used ,I assume you are using sulfuric acid .and where is the gold and dosen't the acid eat up the copper . way not enough info .
dee maxwell I do not know how you know it is 90%. If you ask for concentrated sulphuric acid you usually get 96% or 97%. For me it did not work with lower concentration. Lower conc. H2SO4 will eat up your copper as well.
This method is being used by professional jewelers for almost 100 years now to recover gold from gold plated jewelry. The book is called "Gold from scrap". Also see ruclips.net/video/cCro6V_RsTo/видео.html .
The gold goes into the solution as a black sludge. Due to the lack of a golden anode, I can not try that out. :-) But in theory you are right. Go ahead and tell us if it worked and better dont take your family´s golden spoons for that...
OK I'll be back, have to go to work as an electroplater for 30 years and want to re watch this. Makes no sense to me this early in the AM. But I can't wait to pick it apart.
Si ça marche. Il faut juste suivre les instructions et faire attention. C'est hyper dangereux. Ca s'appelle Electrolyse de l'acide sulphurique pour extraire de l'or plaqué. (Reverse gold plating by electrolysis)
I also was thinking that gold is often found in quartz veins....and we can make quartz crystals,,,,maybe a sheet of quartz with a some voltage being past through it would speed it up a little bit i don't know..just a thought..its a GOLD ANION jk:)
Earning money with this methode it´s seems impossible. Chemicals an tools cost alot of money. One computer Mainboard includes 1,5-3 $ Goldplating. And, yes i know that, because i'am layouting boards and make Goldplatings. Have you ever used your Calculater to calculte efforts and profits. And you should include the risks with hazardous chemicals and your timeefforts. It´s a unusual hobby, but with out industrial automatism and without recycling your chemicals it remains a hobby an no methode to earn money.
Who say, that you have to use gold plated objects from a PC mainboard??? Any gold plated object can be used. And the acid is very cheap (1 l = 4€ on Amazon) and it will last forever. This demo shows a process that has been invented almost 100 years ago and is in use in professional gold recovery machines. Only that these machines will cost thousands.
not any reply's to good questions and so many people say you have - & + named wrong this sounds like an accident waiting to happen ,thanx for screwing up my head with missleading crap
Ha very funny,you don't need any juice.just gold strip in a plastic container,should be stripped in minutes depending on how much gold is on it,trust me I'm an electroplated this video was funny.
madness!! ))) lead anode + copper cathode mesh = lead plated gold (plated) scrap,, not an expert.. but the gold material needs to be on the anode,, and the cat.. i give up.. go read up
All that dangerous work for a few grams of gold??? Get a job already and cut the gold harvesting games people. Its true what they say about gold fever. U would be better off picking up metal detecting hobby and hitting the swimming holes and beaches ... find gold rings, no melting or chemical mixes needed. ;)
"Limited intellect" Ah yes, the typical youtube genius, try to appear smarter than the person that has called them out on a bone headed comment. lol The "process" is not the issue at hand. It's the fool and lazy mans attempt to believe he can make a living doing it, a real living. No your trailer park welfare check doesn't count as a living wage, sorry. It's like watching a kid collect aluminum cans for a week and then spend another day crushing the cans to make room for more cans. He could have mowed my lawn in 1hr and earned more $$ than he would have collected in cans in six months. GOT IT???? I'll ask twice, from the looks of your photo you appear to have inbreeding in your gene pool. GOT IT???
***** Some people are interested in this type of stuff, not as a full-time income but either interest or perhaps a little extra $$ (not me, I'm just curious). If you scale this up, then you can make big $$ but the average person will buy the book and do nothing with it (as is the case with almost everything else in life). This isn't just for a few grams of gold.. you can do this to anything and get ounces of gold if you can get the right items. I recommend asking your doctor for something to curb your anger issues. You've got far too much confidence hiding behind your keyboard and with proper medication, you might be able to amount to something in society.
wtf King of video is ths. did you even do this? i can put s French fry net into some oil and ive never even worked at mcdonalds. obviously you have, and always wanted to be a chemist so you made a vid capable of offering reverse learning instead
Just a couple of observations. You have the description wrong. The basket (+) is the anode and the piece of lead is the cathode (-). The electrons passing from the anode create an area of persulfate or "peroxysulfate". Persulfate decomposes very quickly as it moves away from the anode. The gold is dissolved by the persulfate and converted to gold persulfate. As it moves away from the anode area, the persulfate decomposes and the gold drops out as elemental gold. It's better to reclaim these resources even if it is not at a profit as it keeps them from ending up in the landfill. After the initial cost of equipment and chemicals, the only thing that cant be re-used is the electricity. Too, the cell works better if the anode and cathode are directly facing each other. Lower your volts to below 6 and your amps to 2-3 and your cell will not heat as quickly.
Hey gel I'm making a small production cell I'd share the design once I get it going done by the end of July.
Does all the gold move to your lead anode? If so could you use a gold piece as an anode and keep using it so it keeps getting bigger after each use?
So for example , from the sample bunch of plated pins you placed in the solution, how much gold is actually yielded ?? and from what weight of the pins placed ?
What was your yield for that little bit? Is it with your time do u think?
HELP! I made a cell. Was reverse plating some high grade fiberoptic parts that worked okay. Then I dumped in some gold plated pins and there is no reaction only spark sounds coming from copper mesh. Also some other parts that deplete fine I will have to constantly move the parts around in the mesh the keep them contracting each other. Why cant I just dunk it in and it take the plating off whole batch. Why do I have to move them around to keep reaction going. Any ideas?
Wouldn't it be possible to electroplate an ultra thin slice of another material, plating it over and over again until it has built up into a sizable nugget? Then cut out the impure core with a very thin blade? Would that bypass having to filter the sludge and melt into a nugget?
what happens to any lead and silver solder attached to the pins?
hi I would like to purchase the book but I'm having problems on Amazon when I use your your link it comes out in German or in some foreign language I can understand you let me know where I can purchase the book please there is a lot of bad information and you seem to know what you're talking about I really would appreciate it thank you
How many volts and amps do you use?
Dow do you recover the gold from the solution?
Thank you......
Do you use vinegar and water to nutrilize the acid?
I have done this a lot meaning processed a lot of plated materials and yes if by magic the gold plating goes into the sludge where you can filter it and process it out. That's where I ran into issues. Filtering it with triple coffee filter's and then melting the black sludge and coffee filters using mapp gas.
what is the solution made of?
what is voltage and amper ?
please write all the details.
Wheres the gold and how do you get it back
ed rhodes
nice video are you able now to recovery the gold and meltit into a bar »?
whats a experienced indidual????
The gold will not cement on the electrodes. It just falls down. I am sure there is a process that is able to do as you said, but you would need pure gold as electrode.
Where does the gold go? Does it collect on the copper screen, or what?
Just wondering, how much voltage were you throwing through there?
maybe try using a glass fiber filter and vacuum filtration flask?
What about neutralizing the acid before filtering ?
sulfuric al comes down to the gold?
12V is ok but 6A is a bit too few. Expect 10A - 15A needed
Sorry my friend. Beside eco disaster, what good did you do by removing gold from pins
Where did the gold go and how do you get it back?
+StreetMachine18 Good question, the gold is in the chemical agent and it should be processed further to get pure gold.
The gold will form very fine black sludge which then has to be filtered from the solution. No further chemical steps required but refining it later on to achieve very high purity. The filtering is a bit tricky since the acid is very aggressive, so dont try it unless you know how to do it. Another way is to simply dilute the acid with normal water. The gold then will settle on teh bottom and the acid becomes neutral. The acid has to be poured into the water . not the other way around or it can cause a hefty exothermal reaction!!! That is all just in brief, please read watch and learn how to do this first to avoid getting hurt!
Sulfuric acid was used,the gold is still there.Just have to filter out the sludge and let it dry.Then wash the sludge twice and let it dry again.Then you can put it into a crucible and melt it,pour it.
Which acid or combination of acids do you use?
+Bob Rothman I think it belongs business secret.
Paper filters usually are eaten up if you use concentrated sulfuric acid. The recovery of the gold from teh solution is the tricky part of this. So far I have not heard about any real easy way.
Vinegar is an acid. You wanna use a base to neutralize an acid. Baking soda is common for neutralization.
well I have a silly question for you, I just put a few pins out of an old pentium chip in a bowl of sea salt and water mixed together just to see what would happen. It just kept setting there until most of the salt was around the rim. Than a quarters crystal fell in the bowl and I decided to leave it there and see what a low current might do.
I now have what I think is called gold salt, as all of the gold is off the pins.... how would I go about electroplating that to something? I'm not sure if this information would help anyone trying to make money doing this but is more of a curiosity to me at this point.
1 kg pins after recovery how many gram gold will be ? thanks
***** Plating is 0.4-1 μm depending on quality. Purity is perhaps 90-95%. Density of gold is about 19.3 g/cm^3. Calculate the surface area of the pin and multiply by the plating thickness, the purity, the density and divide by the total weight of a pin.
The gold will reduce and bond onto a small gage copper wire, then the copper wire can be dissolved using either nitric acid or "battery acid" (35% sulfuric) and hydrogen peroxide. That's what I've always used for reclaiming the deposited gold from circuit boards. Now I own a gold plating company and have someone else do it. lol.
what the hell were did the gold go....
What's an "indidual"?
That's French for Indi Dual.... that other guy... whats his name.
so wheres the gold?
The gold is that black liquid, just run it through a coffee filter as many times as you can, as the liquid in the bottom will stay black for a while.
Nice video, Glad to see someone talking about the dangers. Ive searched for awhile as ive saved a ton of parts, now im overloaded but don't have the best methods for extracting what is gold or silver from old parts & making sure im getting the right parts.I haven't had the best of luck searching on how tos on this either. Anyone got some links or a page with info. Im not trying to waste time for change & get cancer doing it.
there was no mention on of how much power was used ,what the % of acid was used ,I assume you are using sulfuric acid .and where is the gold and dosen't the acid eat up the copper . way not enough info .
WHERE DID THE GOLD WENT OR WHAT?!
it is 90% sulphric acid
No, it must be +96% sulphuric acid. Very dangerous stuff.
maybe but it sure works well
dee maxwell
I do not know how you know it is 90%. If you ask for concentrated sulphuric acid you usually get 96% or 97%. For me it did not work with lower concentration. Lower conc. H2SO4 will eat up your copper as well.
Is the book titled howto spend $30 to reclaim 50cents worth of gold? :)
This method is being used by professional jewelers for almost 100 years now to recover gold from gold plated jewelry. The book is called "Gold from scrap". Also see ruclips.net/video/cCro6V_RsTo/видео.html .
I usualy melt it with heat and just seporate the metals after wards usualy they wont mix if you dont let them.
Besides the other metals dint melt at the same het as the gold... so youl just have some red hot pins on your hands well prefrebly not on you.
The gold goes into the solution as a black sludge. Due to the lack of a golden anode, I can not try that out. :-) But in theory you are right. Go ahead and tell us if it worked and better dont take your family´s golden spoons for that...
desaster?
OK I'll be back, have to go to work as an electroplater for 30 years and want to re watch this. Makes no sense to me this early in the AM. But I can't wait to pick it apart.
Concentrated sulfuric acid... Dangerous stuff!
how is it possible?!
how H2SO4 can dissolve gold?! it is impossible, not?
it would be helpful if you explained in detail what is going on man!!
Decant solution then AR
marche pas du tout ton affaire. Quand tu explique alors explique comme il faut et complet ... merci !
Si ça marche. Il faut juste suivre les instructions et faire attention. C'est hyper dangereux. Ca s'appelle Electrolyse de l'acide sulphurique pour extraire de l'or plaqué. (Reverse gold plating by electrolysis)
Sometimes this is really the best way!
I also was thinking that gold is often found in quartz veins....and we can make quartz crystals,,,,maybe a sheet of quartz with a some voltage being past through it would speed it up a little bit i don't know..just a thought..its a GOLD ANION jk:)
it takes a lot of heavily plated scrap to get any amount of gold. I sold scrap on eBay and let others try their luck. just sayin...
But he knoweth my way, and has tried me as gold that passeth through the fire:
what the gold? he hath ACID?
Earning money with this methode it´s seems impossible. Chemicals an tools cost alot of money. One computer Mainboard includes 1,5-3 $ Goldplating. And, yes i know that, because i'am layouting boards and make Goldplatings. Have you ever used your Calculater to calculte efforts and profits. And you should include the risks with hazardous chemicals and your timeefforts. It´s a unusual hobby, but with out industrial automatism and without recycling your chemicals it remains a hobby an no methode to earn money.
Who say, that you have to use gold plated objects from a PC mainboard??? Any gold plated object can be used. And the acid is very cheap (1 l = 4€ on Amazon) and it will last forever. This demo shows a process that has been invented almost 100 years ago and is in use in professional gold recovery machines. Only that these machines will cost thousands.
thanks for demonstration!
not any reply's to good questions and so many people say you have - & + named wrong this sounds like an accident waiting to happen ,thanx for screwing up my head with missleading crap
Ha very funny,you don't need any juice.just gold strip in a plastic container,should be stripped in minutes depending on how much gold is on it,trust me I'm an electroplated this video was funny.
madness!! )))
lead anode + copper cathode mesh = lead plated gold (plated) scrap,,
not an expert.. but the gold material needs to be on the anode,, and the cat..
i give up.. go read up
All that dangerous work for a few grams of gold??? Get a job already and cut the gold harvesting games people. Its true what they say about gold fever.
U would be better off picking up metal detecting hobby and hitting the swimming holes and beaches ... find gold rings, no melting or chemical mixes needed. ;)
All that work for $41 dollar. GET A REAL JOB and stop being so lazy looking to get rich from a poor mans game. Silliness
"Limited intellect" Ah yes, the typical youtube genius, try to appear smarter than the person that has called them out on a bone headed comment. lol
The "process" is not the issue at hand. It's the fool and lazy mans attempt to believe he can make a living doing it, a real living. No your trailer park welfare check doesn't count as a living wage, sorry.
It's like watching a kid collect aluminum cans for a week and then spend another day crushing the cans to make room for more cans. He could have mowed my lawn in 1hr and earned more $$ than he would have collected in cans in six months. GOT IT???? I'll ask twice, from the looks of your photo you appear to have inbreeding in your gene pool. GOT IT???
yeah thats 2 years in prison where I live if your lycky and they dont charge you for trying to fing historic items...then your fucked
***** Some people are interested in this type of stuff, not as a full-time income but either interest or perhaps a little extra $$ (not me, I'm just curious). If you scale this up, then you can make big $$ but the average person will buy the book and do nothing with it (as is the case with almost everything else in life). This isn't just for a few grams of gold.. you can do this to anything and get ounces of gold if you can get the right items.
I recommend asking your doctor for something to curb your anger issues. You've got far too much confidence hiding behind your keyboard and with proper medication, you might be able to amount to something in society.
*****
shut up, man
lol, "a teacher"
wtf King of video is ths. did you even do this? i can put s French fry net into some oil and ive never even worked at mcdonalds. obviously you have, and always wanted to be a chemist so you made a vid capable of offering reverse learning instead
Any useful comment and constructive critisizm is welcome. So try again.
josh lepak I'm no go 0 go 0