Proper Model Making - a rant against the decline of good model shops
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2018
- A bit of a rant about how youngsters these days are making fewer models. The setting is Helsinki's Mallikauppa.
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I'm just imagining the Finnish shop keeper standing there looking at this quirky British man who just wondered into his shop and started loudly ranting into his camera.
...and wondering why all his clothing seems to be the same hue.
@@joem7641 He forgot to add Agrax Earthshade to his clothes.
😂🤣🤣
He just said, "Ahhh! British."
Parlez-vous English? Brits 'getting better' at languages on holiday.
www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationadvice/10182991/Parlez-vous-English-Brits-getting-better-at-languages-on-holiday.html
As a finn that would be weird.
I'm a teenager and my main complaint is how bloody expensive paint is, I already have 2 dozen unassembled kits but paints ridiculous
You're paying the green tax. I understand certain paints are better for the environment but in the late 90s paints were about 50p a pot. But not as 'green'
It depends on the type of paint you buy. If you mean Humbrol or Citadel then yes. If you're UK based, I have found acrylics for £1 per tube in Poundland, they also have cheap spray paints you could use for undercoat. The Works when it's open stocks cheap acrylics too. Boyes also stocks cheaper model paints although they are mainly based in the North. Hope that helps.
@@andrewharper1609 that's true I've found certain acrylic spray paints that were not intended for modelling can be excellent as a base coat, if used carefully and sparingly
calvin huddleston get stuff from zvezda you can get a 1:72 tank for £11
@@yabloko3279 yes the models themselves aren't expensive if you read my comment
“I would buy my tank. It was usually a tank. I like tanks”
Never related to something so much
@@MrAnonymousgentleman hell of a long way to "finnish" the model ! . a good video , rekindles the 70's airfix
the waterloo range , funny how the 45 pieces in a box at 17p each has inflated to £5.00
had 500 assorted figures we never stop collecting in yr 2000 they had swelled to 60,000 .
@@johndejure9849 indeed and I wish I was around for the early model days but I'm only 23 my early days were airfix's Dday box set still have the bunker
I think now with casting , 3D printing
And new processes in the modeling industry are making the hobby industry a come back
You can now cast, sculpt, and 3d print your stuff at home
I think it's making a come back
A vast majority of the artists and historical story tellers are adults
40's 50's 60's 70's 80' or even 90's
It's a great hobby !!!art form!!!
@@donfrandsen7778 as someone working in the industry you are hitting the nail on the head we want to make the process and end product easy and cheap which translates into end users costs lowering and us being able to put more into research
Anyone else imagining Lindybeige and James May sitting together over a pint in a pub and bemoaning the "yoof of today"?
comparing ascots
I can. Complete Underachieving Nubile Twats Spliffing.
This is so true. My wife and I adopted our first child, then we decided to make one ourselves from scratch. Although a lot more complicated, and a little bit messy, we found making one ourselves an immensely satisfying experience.
the51project I don't think I've ever laughed so hard at a comment on a rant video before this one lol
I see you didn't get caught stealing bodies from the graveyard. ;)
I'm on my 3rd child kit. I like to think I passed on my love of the hobby as they're making their own kits now :-)
Building them is actually relatively easy. Would be great if they came with an after-assembly care and maintenance manual, though.
Beware, although construction/production process can be messy and satisfying at the same time, maintenance will consume more and more time and funds up to a point where you do no longer have the time to upkeep the production nor the funds to maintain any further product...
I find it unfair to blame kids for the demise of modelling. Adults control the money, the time and transportation--the things that would help expose kids to hobbies in general. They make decisions about where to live, whether that community could support hobby stores. They set priorities for their time, whether it's playing sports, going to church, taking ballet, etc. My son and I make models together. He mostly builds them, I mostly paint them. However, this would not have happened unless he came into contact with the products. I wanted to play board games with him, and thus brought him to the local game store. That exposed him to models for Flames of War and Warhammer, etc. Next we were going to the hobby shop, where alongside the FoW and 40K were proper models and rc planes. None of that would have happened if I, as the adult, had not decided to find things for him to take interest in and, conversely, took cues from him about what he liked.
can concur,
ionly now at the age of 28 have started getting into things like DnD or considered doing tabletop only in the last 5 years because i didnt really have people around me to do it with and make it feel worth the inevitable investment of time and money.
if a kid has an option of a model tank, or an xbox tank game
of course he will take the video game... its just better!
you can sit inside the virtual tank and drive it around and you can blow things up and hear all the noise and see the flashing blasts and smoke, and play with 2 dozen other kids without even leaving the house!
its just far more interactive and entertaining and no need for all the patience and work
things change from one generation to the next, quit living in the past
Nathanael Robinson just like how parents these days say kids are terrible. Well who raised them?
people are free to raise their kids to be disrespectful and hateful
that's how freedom works, you end up with all kinds of variation for better or for worse
@@hindugoat2302 Yeah, except a lot of kids like working with their hands and seeing something they've built. I remember craft days in school were always fun even though I could have stayed home and played Starwars Battlefront on the playstation. I Loved being able to make something with my own two hands and have an actual physically tangible result.
It continues on today, got friends that own all sorts of lawnmowers and tractors because they like working on the stuff, you don't see them sitting down and play Call of Duty or the ilk because they like being able to work with something physical.
Plot twist: He didn't actually make a purchase
lmfao
Quality. Yeah just wandered in starting ranting to a camera whilst circling the shop and then walked out
Shock & horror
Yeah I worked in a second hand bookshop and a frequent irritation was old farts coming and talking about how wonderful bookshops are and how much they loved them and how sad they were they were disappearing, and they never spent anything after spending hours reading books.
"but, my mother threw it away." I've felt that pain, too many times.
Speaking as someone who’s built models as a child and recently gotten back into modelling, the biggest problem I ran into was the cost of it all as a child my parents where very wary of allowing me to buy models just because of the cost of all the extra bits you need to truly build and paint them.
That’s the same issue I run into today, the sheer cost of it all, for a basic 1/35 tank model on its own with nothing extra no paints or glue can cost £20 at the cheapest and up to £75 on the other end, it’s often not really viable to do as an adult god forbid trying to buy the sets as a child today
I was going to say something similar - when he said 'My pocket money was indexed to the cost of a series one airfix kit' I thought that inflation must've got to the prices since then, because there's no way in hell my parents would give me £15 a week for an airfix kit when I was a lad
Materials to build terrain, magnets, wire, tools, and space to store. It took me 30 years to get to a point in both life and career where I was in one place long enough to be able to enjoy this hobby and really get into it.
I agree. I remember my dad giving me a F18 to build in the 90s. On the box it had all different colours, my dad gave me an aerosol of grey and told me “the real ones are just grey whilst showing me some photos in magazines”
Now I know what he was getting at, it was fucking expensive to buy all the different paints.
Exactly im 36 an models were cheaper when i was a kid to, why bother buying a model when you can play a game online with friends during covid with every tank/unit to play with, comes with great sound affects to. Or you could sit at home have to many expensive an unbut models an no 1 to play with.?.?. (Me)
Things get much worse in foreign countries that parts/tools not produced. For example in turkey currently the cheapest 1/35 tank is around 100 tls and minimum(also the most common) wage is 2200 tl so its really focking expensive.
Imagine being Finnish and having some random crazed Brit rambling on in English while parading round your model shop faster and faster...
...doing the laps faster and angrier
A finish horror story.
Honestly its probably more normal for them then we could guess
You do know you are talking about the people who have a designated word for "underwear drunk"? I think they have seen worse...
it would be amazing
Price always held me back as a young man, the idea of assembling and painting was interesting to me but I didn't have the spare funds for the hobby.
What's killing modeling is the cost, everything is now so expensive.
and bad quality. (I konw its fantasy but) look at Forgeworld Warhammer Models. They cost up to 1000€ and more but the models have Moldlines, bending, or/and bubbles.
3d printing ohoy. Frontload the cost and then fiddle a bunch.
Lindy you need to visit my shop In Arizona
Sic crossover!
I was going to mention your shop Andy. D. 👍🏻😎
I live in Arizona and there are several hobby shops here. Sad that those in Europe are shutting down.
Yes Andy!
yes it's in Arizona!!!!!!!!!!!
Might also be that modeling supplies are cheaper online as well. Amazon has been closing brick and mortar stores for years now...
it also saves time to get to the shop.
It says you posted this 18 hours ago.
@DasTrev patreon people have an early access, I guess.
the other thing is that when they close the model shops down, guess who buys all the models? so they often have a massive inventory of them
it's true, I have to sell a kidney everytime I enter my model shop but everytime I do and I smell teh glue odour and see all the boxes... well it's great
video games got me into models
specifically, warthunder made me want to have my own model aircraft, when i got tired of model aircraft i got into tanks and infantry, and now recently ive gotten back into model airplanes and im currently working on Airfix's 1/48 spitfire mk1
Good for you!
Here's a tip of you ever get into weathering. Don't use war thunder as a reference, because it's somewhat unrealistically exaggerated. Search online for the references!
I can relate to this comment. Today I just ordered a Bf 109 E-3 and I am so excited to build it :)
Same here. I finally took the plunge after playing World of Warships and Company of Heroes 2. Although I’ll hold off on the King George V until I have a few smaller models under my belt...
The two hobbies can definitely go hand in hand.
Almost every model builder I've ever met below the age of 30 (and a lot of the older ones) seem to have gotten in through videogames or anime in some way or another
@@catland88 anime?
I can commiserate with your pain of a parent binning one of your models, but I can beat that. I was at uni in the 70’s and while there my parents decided to move house. Whilst clearing out the old house they reasoned that I wouldn’t need my model collection any more as I had ‘grown up’, they binned the lot! Seven years of carefully collecting and making model aircraft and tanks (all that paper round money spent) tipped in the bin, I was devastated. I still continued to model and have done so up to today, in my late 60’s. I am currently making a Fordson WOT2 World War II truck from photo-etch and white metal, great fun.
When I was young, we used to glue together numerous Airfix planes (mono- biplanes of WW1 and 2, battleships and tanks) and paint them with Humbrol paint. Later, we were able to use our knowledge of chemistry to produce small amounts of gunpowder, which we used to blow them up! We didn’t have computer games ofcourse.
I think the biggest cause of the decline in model shops is the obscene over-pricing of everything now. When I was a kid, as you said yourself, to buy kits with pocket money was not a difficult thing, but there's little chance of that now. Here I am at 61 and most of the kits I'm interested in are beyond what I can reasonably spend. Consequently, the internet is the only place I can get the likes of BanDai kits at an affordable price, by buying them directly from Japan or China and waiting weeks for them to arrive, or scouring endless pages looking for private sale bargains. It's a great shame.
nitramyar
There are also the anime conventions, but they tend to be in large or major cities.
I agree with you on that.
So true, here in Europe, the model price is overpriced, how to attract kids to playing with it?
I hear you. I love G scale trains.
But the prices. Geez.
If it wasen't for my local second hand model train store i would never be able to buy.
300€ is the max i would pay for a train and around 100 or less for a wagon.
issue in the states is stuff from Warhammer is expensive due to them being made in Europe :(
0:35 "All you have to do is take it out of the box!"
No, there's clearly some assembly required; the propellers aren't attached!
i know right the man is clearly blind
dude is talkin' sense tbh. I have a feeling the clip on bits are for the manufactures convenience, why pay for a robot to clip them on when the end user will do it for free
I reminds me of the Kinder Surprise eggs : when it contained an already made figurine I was disappointed :-(
that's the fucking truth building them was the best part.
Wasn't there a hubbub in ummerica over Kinder Surprise? The yanks were just stuffing the things in their faces only to realise later that there's a surprise underneath the chocolate that isn't edible and represents a choking hazard (to americans).
Im 14 and i tried modelling after watching this video a year ago, im now addicted and have filled up my room with the stuff. My friends are now also into it and i think its spreading. thankyou for introducing me to this wonderful hobby!
I miss looking at the tamiya models I could never afford.
There's an old tamiya advert on you tube. I used to have an old Tamiya brochure, god I stared at that !
I used to buy all the military figures and be disappointed at my shit paint jobs 😄
@@mooseyman74 two thin coats - life changing
Price indexed to the price of models. I laughed when you said that because I have used that as an economic indicator myself. I used to buy matchbox 1:72 scale aircraft models for 1.50 Canadian. I worked for 3.00 an hour. Now as a fully grown adult I don't make enough in an hour to buy two model kits for one hour of my labour.
me too.
For a while, when I was into 6mm figures, which we 2p each, I thought of everything in terms of 6mm figures. I got a 5p rise in my pocket money when the Matchbox kits came out, because they were 5p more.
Haha, still have pre-decimal price tags on some of my Airfix boxes - HO/OO Scale soldiers @ 1/9d - that's 8 1/2p or 9p in decimal money. Probably bought them in 1970, a mere 48 years ago! The boxes still in production currently retail for £5 or £6; rarer ones like American Civil War troops, which ceased production in the 1980s, often fetch £20 on ebay.
Ah, model shops, comic book stores, and tabletop gaming stores (often all three in one)--a dying breed, so much nostalgia.
Along with arcades.
I understood, Pin ball machines require a massive amount of repair and the parts may not be easily sourced, if at all.
Blaine unfortunately so
Blaine dude board games are still a thing. There are so many new ones out there too. Ever tried drunk board game night? Good fun
Yea, the internet can basically outcompete them in everything. A lot of brick and mortar stores are probably doing as much or more of their business online than they do in person, RUclips is full of painting and building tutorials(or variable quality, but there are excellent ones out there), and a number of pubs and cafes do run gaming events regularly.
For the hobby, in the long run, it's probably a good thing. But it's been, and will continue to be, a rough time for independent retailers. I maybe being overoptimistic, but I'd like to think the good stores will weather it pretty well, and the ones that got by on being the only game in town will be the ones that die.
Board games are in a sort of a golden age right now though.
I learned a lot from model making as a child - history from the military models - practical application from making automobile models.
The instructions used to tell you the number of the part and what it was (and actually working on a car with your father) - so I knew what a muffler and intake manifold was years before I could drive.
When I was a child, we had 6 model shops in my hometown. One of them was gigantic, on three floors were countless model kits from all the famous companies, spare parts, tools, colors etc.
Now in 2020, there is only one tiny shop left, and it almost exclusively sells model trains.
My wargaming was paper, pen and lot of imagination :D
That's roleplaying rather than wargaming. I still do roleplaying :-)
Couple of mates and I used to do a paper sidescroller with pencil, paper and rulers.
I've never seen that type of game.....might have to youtube it :-)
The gist of it is, you take a paper, pen and draw hills, then tanks, soldiers, HQ, helicopters etc. Then you take a red pen and start drawing lines (bullets/shells) explosions and blood. The destiny of selected unit, decides Either D6 or D20.
I still do that
Being a scale modeller myself i concur with your observations and i am very pleased to see that you talk about this in a video. I hope you know that there is a lot of scale modelling activity on RUclips these days, which i guess helps the fellow model makers with learning new techniques and so on. The community is big and still growing :)
Hamilkar Barkas Subscribing now. I've recently picked up an interest in these 1/35 scale tanks etc. I've been following some modelers on instagram. The details with the mud and weathered effects is incredible plus intimidating. It intimidates me so much that I'm reluctant to start it.
Been Following you on youtube for ages your models are amazing , i do make models myself but not to your standard - maybe one day .......
Joe Friday
It's easier than it looks.
Hoehner Tim Easier to get the proper weathering looks and mud etc?
Joe Friday, that's my experience, too... It does (sort of) depend on exactly what weathering effects, mud, etc... you're trying for and on what materials... BUT the techniques themselves aren't that difficult.
Silly(ish) tip... One of my favorite "tricks" if you can call it that, is "go big"... at first.
That just means, testing out theories for techniques, even theoretical material uses, on a larger scale than the final intended product until you "get a feel" for what you're doing...
I've done quite a bit with the various metallic miniatures, pewter, lead, and die-cast steel... SO I usually just bought the larger sized containers of effect-materials (primer, paints, clear-coats, and additives) partly for a bulk-discount, and partly to experiment while I was at it, without having to make a million trips to the shop...
A metal coffee can is a fine substitute for most metallic surfaces, and with a pair of tin-snips and a drill with a wire-wheel, it can be cut apart and "deburred" for your fingers' sakes relatively quickly. A brisk "once over" with the wire wheel equipped drill will also suitably scuff the metal for primer application. This isn't a Rembrandt, so no need for better than a week's staying power...
Once primer'ed, you can then either color it to match the model, by intent, and following the RUclips, or other instructive sources for technical practice, or you can happily apply your own experimental techniques with your own variations to the theme at will. It's a bit more expensive, but if you plaster an otherwise dead coffee can with primer and then super-glue and a form of glitter that turns into something hideous and stays semi-gelatinous FOR EVER AND EVER... you have NOT rendered a rather expensive and precious model to the "god awful file of never again"... a lesson is learned and several hours of careful construction, precision gluing, and a humiliating argument with a spring loaded clamp that doesn't like me very much has NOT "gone to hell in a hand-basket" either.
When you're fairly happy with the effect you've created on a coffee can, and you feel a tad confident about doing it with the model, you only need worry about making very tiny movements and making patient tiny progressive steps at a time...
AND (side effect of the practice worth note) once in a while, neighbors will notice the odd coffee-can decoration and compliment your catastrophic faults... even in the garbage. (always good for a giggle) ;o)
I love modelling. I'm working on a cheiftein mk5 at the moment. I am by the way 14. So people still enjoy making models :)
Ah good choice! The Chieftain is really cool! I love those tanks too.
@@richard29415 yeah it's the tamiya 1/35 kit.
Aaah same am called weird for it by the 'cool' kids
@@barneystorer1092 yes, I'm 18 now and have been making model tanks for about 3 years and people thought it was strange but hey, that's their issue not mine. Thankfully I have friends who are also interested in it and the others don't judge me for it :). I know the feeling lol
@@juawei1940 keep at it its a good hobby, I started just before my fifth birthday and am still making things fifty five years on, models have come a long way in that time and so has the information on the item being modeled, never worry what the "cool" people say, they are invariably just following and are scared to be different, you will meet more interesting people being your own man, one thing I would advise is to be careful about the solvents in the glues and using epoxy fillers, polyester/styrene based fillers have less long term health issues.
Out of 20 people in my class in school, only myself and one other builds models at all. I really enjoy it, and I don’t get why no one does it anymore. I build tamiya models, their RC cars with my dad and their static tanks, infantry etc by myself. I’m working on a Flak 37 AT gun at the moment
As a young person (15) I think the main problem for young people trying to get into model making and table top gaming is money and...well, it’s scary. Frankly I’d love to get into model making and war gaming but it’s just to expensive and I don’t know where to begin. I think that’s why young people don’t get into this stuff. But in the future i think I might.... Perhaps even re-enactment....
My advice, as someone who was in a similar situation a few years back, is to start small. All you need is 4-5 basic paints and you can mix them to get all the different shades. A box of, let's say British Napoleonic Infantry, will set you back £20 but there's a good 40 men in there. It'll keep you going.
I think that's where Games Workshop have started doing well. They have boxes literally called "Start Collecting" for most of the major factions of their games, these provide enough models for £50 to start playing small scale games. That and their £90 boxed games make it easy to get playing because they take away that what do I get question.
I agree their expensive as a 23 year old person it hard to justify to cost of some of these model kit
Try a WWII fighter monoplane, 1:72, some basic stuff. Three colours are often enough, it it's not a cmouflage pattern.
I recently got into modelling after a long break and I've started with a Polish "Mr. Hobby Kits" Russian Jakovlev Jak-1. A dreadful fit, made me laugh how badly it fitted. But I did my best and it was fun. For the equivalent of 12 dollars, including paint and glue.
This video has filled me with positive energy and convinced me to build the tank model I bought 2 years ago.
Did you build it??
Am I no longer a young folk? Damn I'm 29 and i started going from 40k and fantasy ...... And now I'm starting historical wargames.....
I had dozens of models in my bedroom growing up in the 60s and 70s. My favorites were WW2 aircraft and ships.I and several neighborhood friends to quite a lot of pride in modeling skills. I liked mine to look a bit battle hardened but no bullet holes. Those models meant a lot because my Grandpa and several uncles and great uncles were U.S. ww2 vets.
I was exactly like you. Modeling kept me occupied as a kid and I am sure it kept me out of trouble. Later in life I became a Cavalry Trooper and Armor Officer in the U.S. Army and got into making historically correct dioramas of WW!! battles. I had quit drinking at the time as it had caused me trouble in my life. I have now been sober for almost 33 years and I credit modeling with putting me on the road to sobriety.
A model under the Christmas tree every year, and if finished in time, one for my summer birthday. Looking back, mom knew how to shut me up and get me outta her hair for at least a couple hours.
Effort isn't the problem
We can't afford to
Litterbugtaylor that's for sure. 1/35 tank models costing $60-$100?? That's not including resin/PE parts needed to update, or some decent figures. Aircraft's same thing, especially if you want a decent cockpit or pilot figures that are almost never included. Tamiya and Hasegawa kits costs are outrageous. Italerei used to be a good value, but they are going nuts too, especially when they sell a 40 year old kit at modern kit prices (their Srs III Land Rover for example). Just getting too expensive. Those of us lucky enough to have a stash can build our older kits, but for those entering the hobby it can get expensive. No more pocket-change kits, need a credit card!
Scott7891 Blaming the boomers is a waste of time. The fault is that the economy itself, destroys itself. The tendency for the rate of profit to fall exists regardless of which human generations exist.
I can get a Gundam kit for $5. Tell me again how modeling is too expensive please.
Instead of blaming "the boomers" look at the people who set up the economy. Learn who the bankers are that set up the system which collapses on it's self and gives the most profit to people buying bits of paper only to sell them for twice as much an hour later.
let's be honest here, gunpla is an entirely different kind of modeling (not in any way bad or inferior, my favourite actually,far more room for ball to the wall creativity and rule of cool).
still, I did just buy a finemolds 1/72 tomcat with far more detail than likely in that scale, but on the other end my sweet love pg millenium falcon is still 400 bucks away
As a member of the younger generations, I can tell you that the decline in modeling is not from lack of interest but from lack of money. I'd love to go to a model shop and buy a load of tanks and railway cars and build some great big wargaming table. I really would. However, a model tank kit costs like 30 USD and I don't have enough money to both eat and model. I still do modeling in my spare time, but it's all done with bits of cardboard, tissue paper, twigs, and paint from the dollar store. My big investment in making terrain and models was a glue gun.
Brick and mortar modeling shops are delightful, and I'd love to support them if I had any money.
Might I suggest looking at smaller scale models for wargaming ?
'The Plastic Soldier Company Ltd' (google it) has cheap 15mm scale vehicle models (+/- 1:100).
They aren't as detailed as the stuff from Italeri & Revell, but they come in boxes of 5 tanks.
Zvezda is another brand that may be worth looking into.
Modelers' demands of perfect accuracy have caused kit prices to dramatically increase. As the level of detail went up, so did the price.
Your comment about cardboard and tissue paper reminded me of articles in Model Railroader about the early days of the hobby before and after WW II when there just wasn't the types of kits and ready to run stuff available today. You will find though that learning to model like you are will set you up with a greater skill set than if started just with the kit models.
But there are still cheaper kits with less details if you just look for them....Italeri comes to mind.
TouchTheShark ...there are some websites where you can print some paper model sheets for free. You could try that for an inexpensive option.
Thanks for the hobby shop tour. Many years ago, I would be in heaven going thru any good hobby shop. The trains, planes, rockets both in kits and in ready to run made my head spin. The joy was always in the making and solving problems and still is today. The art of model building fosters creativity, ingenuity and skill development that you carry with you thru all aspects of your life. It is unfortunate that the internet marketplace was the killer for the brick and mortar true hobby shop, but no matter what it did not kill our individual desire to create.
Yes shops like these are fantastic, I can spend hours just looking around them without buying anything! Thankfully a modelling shop just opened in the village near where I live!
I've never seen a model shop without a Games workshop section.
Come to Warsaw, we have one here
Never seen a model shop with a Games Workshop ;) But it's not rare to see a board game shop with games workshop sections. Games like warhammer 40k are more like board games.
jarlfenrir How so?
I’ve played a fair amount of board games, and played a lot of 40k , but have never played another wargame so have no frame of reference to compare it to.
there's a difference between gaming shops and model shops.
Model shops tend to be model railway shops these days that also have some model kits and paint.
@@Jagrofes How so is he's an idiot lol.
Well, I don’t think it’s only the whole “kids don’t want to spend time making models” situation that’s killing model shops like this. As a model maker myself, The hobby shops in my area simply don’t have to specific model or specific weathering/paint that I need. Online I can find anything I want, precisely, and usually for cheaper, no matter how unique or obscure it is. So while there may be less people making model kits, I think it’s simply that hobby shops can’t compete with the huge online stores and their massive repertoire. Not that we are lazy and don’t wanna build models.
On the other hand... many local model shops now have their inventories on the web.
So, instead of having to order and wait until Tuesday (or if overseas, next week) for it to arrive, I can find an item online, go buy it in person and be home with it within an hour.
Welcome to the tyranny of choice! If you didn't have the internet, you would make do with what the shop offers, and you would be happy about it. Needing to buy the perfect supplies is moving in the same direction as a pre-made model.
Well, I am 14 and build models. And my local shop has everything!
Tridentius77 MTG another point is we have a crapton of hobby options now. I bet most young folk don't even know what model building or wargaming is, while still having their hands full with all sorts of sports, martial arts, multimedia consumption(and even creation).
I myself often just stop and do... nothing, because I have so much crap I can do that I find it difficult to decide what *To* do.
Local retail model shops have to contend with, what is essentially, the Grim Reaper of commercial rent. Even if the hobby wasn't in a decline there are other forces that work against it, making the operation of a store a struggle for any individual daring to partake in the business. To some extent, I'd argue the problems of retail are contributing to the decline by reduced visibility.
Because I'd argue this because people love creativity and making things. That urge is hard-wired into most of us. And the presence of Internets and teh vidya gamez haven't changed that aspect about us. In fact, the information era has made it that much to communicate the talents of model making and communicate with other like-minded individuals. The problem, is that without physical models out there, viewable by the public, to advertise the hobby, you're just never going to get the numbers.
And this boils to the fundamental issues related to the sale of kits. And actually having experience with selling model kits myself, I believe I can speak with authority on the problem. You see, the major problem facing retail is commercial quantities of kits gobble up insane amounts of physical space. This comes from the need to run a very wide inventory (just count the variety in the video) and the actual ROI per kit is pretty poor. And when that physical space has a cost attached to it in terms of rent, the overheads of a retail operation blow up very rapidly. If you think the last time your landlord increased your residential rent was painful, you ain't seen nothing compared to the world of commercial.
Your absolutely spot on . The fun is the building and the sense of satisfaction and from a personal perspective I love doing the research to get the paint and decals correct. I miss the the local model shop my local was the Midland Educational in Birmingham..... Fond memories of Saturday's digging through the piles of models and selecting the correct paints. 48
Years later I still love the hobby.
I think this guy is the only person I’ve ever heard talking actual facts. Nobody I’ve ever met my age want anything to do with model kits, I don’t understand!
Shut the fúck up dweeb
Cost, time and the sheer effort required, and if you wanna become good at it you most spend way more of all three. The hobby is inherently niche and only appeals to certain personalities and thats before you start raving and ranting about how modern capitalism and schooling forces the potential new customers to work more than the previous generation while earning less, which makes the demands of the hobby even more daunting. Also, when was the last time you saw a add for any type of modelling kit outside of the circles that caters to those already invested in it?
@@HerneHunter *Meanwhile, in Minecraft*
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Creativity did not go away, creatives just have more options nowdays so they are not as common in their traditional circles.
I enjoy model painting, but I know for a fact that I do so because of how I am mentally wired and because of how I enjoy spending my time and money.
And work hours do not cause this, but they are certainly a pretty major factor when paired with the core arguments that model making is an expensive and time consuming hobby in an era where there are cheaper and more accessible ways to get your creative kick.
And like I said, how often do you see commercials/add for model kits? You cant blame someone for not getting into a hobby when it does not make itself known.
And this is comming from a late millenial/early gen z. I got into model painting by pure chance, when I randomly walked past a store on my way to an interview for a internship that I would never have seen otherwise.
PLENTY of these in Japan, Lindy! ;-)
BANDAI and TAMIYA are both messiah and lucifer at the same time
RealmZero Oh, look into Kitobukiya! Their models are better quality (in my opinion), as they have to work hard and pay for their licenses. Bandai owns all the popular series themselves, so don't have to work hard to sell their models. ;-)
Michael Berthelsen Yeah, but there's not really a lot of places that sell Kotobukiya stuff in my country. The most we can see them is online or in events but they cost a lot. Their plastics are quite nice though, and for their models with joints they're quite nice and sturdy like the Muv-Luv line.
Bandai, Kotobukiya and Hasegawa.
The Holy Trinity.
RealmZero Yeah, I find their moulds better than Bandai, and a bit more precisely made. Less moulding too, at least from my experience. Then again, I don't have much experience with Bandai either. But sucks that you can't get them where you live. =(
Torille!
Ja torilla pystytetään pöydälle pienoismallitori johon laitetaan juhlimaan pienoismallifiguureja pienine Suomen lippuineen, pallogrilleineen ja makkaroineen.
kiva nähdä maamiehiä! :D
Ehkä miniatyyrimalli suomalaiset kohtaavat pienoiskoossa kaupungin aukiolla.
just curious, what are you doing in Finland? Visiting Parola Armour Museum?
O_O
Millon lindybeige teemanen meetup Helsingin Tuomiokirkolla
I’ve recently got back into model making, my first was a reboxed HMS Belfast from the 70s, and it was an incredibly satisfying experience to finish it and paint it
Your video came up as a suggested video this evening. I'm a tabletop wargamer - Warhammer 40,000 mainly, and I really miss having shops like this around the UK, mainly for the terrain and scenery bits. The only one I have seen in recent years was in the seaside town of Hunstanton, and it was nowhere as big or as nice as the one in your video, but that is it. Even when I go to Cambridge, Oxford or London, i never see shops like this anymore. I had a nice collection of Airfix aircraft when I was at school in the 80's. I think my mum threw them out too once I moved out.
Good video. Thanks.
I believe World of Tanks are actually promoting people to build scale models of tanks (they are selling reboxed Italeri kits), do research and learn more about the tanks in the game. The have excellent walkaround videos of the real objects.
They do this for a reason of course - but if it makes one single kid more interested in tanks and he/she decides to build a model of that awesome favorite ingame tank to put it on the display shelf, I'm fine with that arrangement.
Those model kits also come with codes to get the model as a new tank in the game lol
Hahah, those models suck, so it would really only make kids think it's hard and can't look good
KBSM; yeah, the Chieftan his videos, and PLASMO, AndysHobbyHQ all conspired to get me back into model building tanks. But I had to go to 1/72 scale because of costs and space, but man new tool 1/72 kits are incredibly detailed.
Well, actually both game suck.
@orbitalair: I build a lot in 1/72 also because of space restrictions - there are some really great 1/72 kits (and some bad ones too :)
I consider myself pretty lucky to have one of the country's biggest model shops nearby. I don't know what I'd do without it.
I live in a fairly large (2 million+) urban area, and the other day a friend and I were recalling all the hobby (primarily trains) shops there used to be. We knew of six or seven and probably missed some in farther flung corners. Today there's one train store. One. There are a few plastic model shops, but I'd have to go long distances even for them. Our only one in my municipality closed this year. No question it's a trend, and a real shame at that.
ModelChili Scale Models you are lucky, i dont have one within 100 km, save for a tiny store that is about to close.
You are lucky as all I have local is Hobbycraft and what little they have is out of stock when I need it.
nice seeing you here, loved your 1/144 falcon.
if you have that kind of resource availabilty you are soo lucky.
I live in a fairly large city, not really large like maybe florence but still not small and all I have is one lousy model shop wich only survives on the premise of not having any kind of competition.
the usual trip to that shop (kinda the size of a medium garage btw) goes alaways like
do you have any scribing tools?
no.
clear paints?
nope.
is that clear varnish flat?
dunno. cant read english. can I entertain you in our selection of overpriced 200$+ models of THE SAME GODDAM FORMULA CAR.
and that is the good fifth of the shop, the rest is just filled with toy gliders and all kind of smartphone compatible drones.
and worse of all apparently no one online ships to italy.
I mean kits are quite easy to get but paints, airbrush solvants etc. are all locked behind a " this item does not ship to your country "
What great memories of the model shop that I as a kid used to go to in suburban Detroit. The owners built a giant railway crossbuck on the roof proclaiming the shop. The building is still there, along with the crossbuck which says it's a bookstore, but what great times they were. Thanks for the virtual tour of a real hobby shop.
I think it might be because it’s easier to get models online through shops like Amazon than to actually go into physical stores and whatnot
It may be different in some countries, but in mine it's not like that. Buying kits online costed me so much more than in real stores, plus i had to wait days for it to arrive.
The problem for me is, as a student I don't have quite the money to afford all the colors needed for example, and I am such an perfectionist that I want everything as realistic as possible. :/
Steven003 when painting just one model it can be a bit expensive picking up all of your paints, but when you then do the second and third you wont need to get more paint for a long time, or at least many more
I would second what Tom Young says, over time you collect the paints, tools, and all the additional "stuff" you need. Just start small with a handful of basic paints; after all, if you think about it, for most purposes you only really need black, white, blue, red and yellow!
For starting with only one model, you don't need as much colors as you can mix pretty much anything yourself. A large collection of premixed colors is only necessary if you want to make a series of models that match perfectly. and then they cost is spread out over all the models.
I started with 8 colors acryll for 5 bucks and 10 colors oil, for ten bucks. Also got 18 brushes for 5 bucks.
+Patrick Keller What can you recommend? Oil or acryl?
Always go with Acryl first, it's easier to work with because it mixes with water and dryes fast, also easier to clean.
Oil is mostly for some special wet on wet painting techniques, because Acryl dryes too fast unless you work in a fridge. It can also make it easier to paint finer details and thin lines, but you can do it with acryl.
And a tip: for acryl use a "wet pallet" (basically wax paper on a sponge) otherwise you'll end up wasting a lot of paint.
My neighbor Sidney Stubbs (sadly long since passed) used to make his own model railways from scratch and would build everything himself, from gantries to rolling stock, he had various lathes and would make working model street lights from nails, electric motors that he wound himself and he won awards for the accuracy of his models.. he once made a model boiler with hundreds of rivets, when being Judged at a competition one of the Judges spotted a rivet out of position and was about to demerit him when a more knowing Judge mentioned that the original design drawings had the rivet misplaced.. such was the accuracy of his work.. he really was a perfectionist who could turn his hand to almost anything.. Nowadays honestly i can not remember ever seeing a model lathe for sale.. also it has to be said that Sidney took his modeling seriously taking months to complete a set of 30 street lights as mentioned above. We don’t have the time, access to materials or tools to make such things and the cost..?
The world has moved on, its a sad state of affairs but when I’m working I will often get home at 2 or 3am.. just no time in todays world as my neighbors generation had..
I appreciate the work that goes into modeling, i visit shows when i can & enjoy watching some of the excellent videos here on RUclips but apart from assembling large scale models of warships of around 1/200 thats about all i have time (or money!) for.. appreciate your frustration at modern society but its the way of the world now.. for better or for worse..
Edit.. seems to be a lot of interest in Sid. I married and moved but my parents lived next door to Sid until his passing. He was a member of the Manchester Model Railway Society MMRS and became their president for a few years. I believe they wrote an article about his work and he has been included in many technical chats, i also believe upon his death the models he made went to the club and I’d like to think in a display case somewhere. Quite possibly if you were to contact MMRS they may have some photos or other... Sadly i am now settled in Spain and unlikely to see any if his work again but i will also remember fondly Sid & his wife Molly.. may they both rest in peace.
No one has,a lathe
I get a catalog in the mail at least twice a year that features several miniature lathes for perhaps the cost of one or two brand name golf clubs. Pliers by the score. I could have a lathe if I wanted one but I'm too lazy to start anything like that.
Wow! That’s nuts!
What a lovely post.
Small lathes are still available and in use. I have three.
I recall seeing sid Stubbs featured in the Model Railway Journal in which there was a photograph of him filing the spokes of a driving wheel for a Stanier Duchess which is virtually unheard of. No one makes their own wheels except it seems Sid.
@@j1rose Just look them up on youtube and you will discover the error of this staTement.
Society is though I would agree becoming distressingly deskilled and practically incapable.
I seriously impressed a teenage girl (16 approximately) on a job 9I'm a chippy) when I was able to change a light bulb. This was mind boggling.
I am a grown-up kid who built model-kit airplanes aged 9, built a marklin railroad with my grandpa, painted wargame figures when 15, and only on my 25th learned proper 3d-modeling for games and the programming that goes with it. And although i get heavily nostagic only seeing you wandering about a proper model-shop, I feel the a creative hobby will be save for those with a creative mind
Love this video! You're a legend Lindybeige!
What will the children of today rant about when they reach middle age?
"When I was young, we would drive realistic models in World of Tanks. Nowadays kids don't even want to turn on a game console."
Sad but true 😂
lootboxs, separate DLC for each paece of armour for a full set of armour,
Brady is that any different then buying upgrade or conversion kits?
It's still a after purchase product.
What VRG is best for something and then the For and Against crowds waging vitriolic forum post wars, then actual wars in virtual space... Maybe full on Cybernetics like GITS? Oh and which cybernetics are the best and which arent, (same way when comparing system specs from different companies when building a system or buying a console)
I play significantly less computer/console games after I started modelling
"War gaming" is what got me into history and i have learned more about history than i have ever learned in school thanks to video games sparking my interest in history which is how i find myself here
General Gage so true
1960s+ Films & programmes got me into History(big time), using the local libraries & wargaming. Still fascinated in military history but not needed to go to a libray for decades having a sunbstantial book collection & the net. Wargaming eventually went by-the-by as I never enjoyed laboriously painting etc figures & bias in some wargaming rules(Even Phil Barker didn't always interprate his rules the way in which they were written!), now get my fix fighting battles/campaigns with Rome Total War/RTW2 & collecting ancient & medieval replica kit.
But it was a wonderful childhood navigating the histories & armies of various eras & regions through the library, visiting the model shops, mail order wargame figure buying when 2 weeks delivery was really quick(!). A tabletop of 2 armies arrayed with decent scenery looked fantastic.
The japanese have caught a lot of attention in america with snap together kits. Really impressive, detailed and large ones, mostly Gundam. I think the idea of glue has become unappealing, it is for myself and friends who make Bandai and Kotobukiya Mecha kits.
Nah I think most people just use awful glues and cements. Switching from testors tube cement to tamiya extra thin quick setting cement allowed me to assemble models that would take 3 days previously in a single day.
@@Biriadan that glue is what dragged me back into the hobby, started using it and never looked back
I was the same, every 2nd Saturday I'd get a model from our local shop run by professional model maker Dave Taylor, he's written loads of books and used to make the dioramas for the Tamiya catalogues. Our local shops gone, even a big one in Stratford upon Avon has gone and that had an R/C circuit out the back ...
I agree Lindy, hell, I'm only 14 but my 'childhood' was amazing because my Granda bought me models and took me to model shops, I have a Cromwell, spitfire and BF109 on my shelf waiting to be made and I have a Paul Boulton on my window ledge. I live in a town in County Durham and there's still a handful of nice model shops, even better there's a lot further north we sometimes go to. Anyhow, I agree, models are fun, satisfying and people should do it more and protect old stores.
The internet might help bring it back though. There's more channels on youtube about model building than there used to be.
and even FORGING might make a comeback. another Finnish guy just got half a million subscribers!!!
This guy's enthusiasm is contagious!
All I just did was search real 'Fury' tank after watching the movie & ended up getting his video recommendations & since then I couldn't help but admire his love for his passion, scruffy or not he has a clean heart.
As a young modeller from Turkey i think that one of the main reasons people at my age or older doesnt really get into a such hobby is mainly the price, as generally a model kit costs same or more than a video game and a modeller at the age of 16 or anything older than 10 wont enjoy the kit after its completed so replayability is a big factor since not many ppl will be able to disperse their money every week or so to models. And many times the tools paints and chemicals to complete the model will nearly cost as much as models (individually). Yet i will never quit this beatiful hobby as long as i can afford it. Thank you anyone who read this and have a nice day.
Great video and a wonderful shop! You should visit Yorkshire, there are some splendid model shops in the region.
I’d be much obliged if you could increase the frequency with which you use the word “tubes” in future videos, thank you.
leakycheese Hey Leakycheese glad you do 40K videos
hello Mr Cheese fancy seeing you here :).
Woah! Just randomly found your channel. I'm in Newcastle and make stuff... as do my kids - yay! I remember going to The Model Shop on Blenheim Street when I was little - that place was pretty cool. I was obsessed with model making as a kid... that and Lego. Are you from / in Newcastle? Oh... 2423 comments. You'll probably not see this... top rant anyway! 😂👍
Really good old toy/model store in the grainger market, by the doc martens specialist, really good place to go
I remember both these shops well. The Model Shop was where I bought my very first Airfix kit, a 1/72 Spad, if memory serves me correct. Bridge, water, time, etc.
glad you make stuff with your kids.... it can be very satisfying doing stuff with your hands.... my first remembered
birthday present?....... a hammer...... went to the emergency room two days later for stitches in my head.... something about those claws that I hadn't fully grasped.... greetings from Bellows Falls, Vermont and hats off to
Newcastle, an underrated city and area...
On another video Lindybeige states that he use to visit Braley's model shop as a boy. Braley's was on Little Ealing Road in Ealing, West London.
@@kappatalist1014 north east model centre , near pity me is awesome its located in an old chapel , on a dual carriage way , i know the shop in grainger market too its cool
What a marvelous shop, jampacked with modeling stuff for builders of every age, at every level of addiction! My town has a sizable model store and I love visiting it to buy things and, sometimes, sell things that they need more than I do. I chat with the other customers, compare notes, and help them find things.
Great work lad, commenting on
the current, sad state of hobby shops, these days.
Recalling growing up, back in the 60s, I'd go purchase a model almost every weekend, at one of the well stocked hobby shops, in NYC.
I was appalled, after returning to the hobby recently, after not being able to do modeling since the early 2000s, took such a horrific toll on the modeling hobby.
I knew that many Hobby shops were closing.
Many critical venders disappeared, for scratch building, and painting.
The shopkeeper up there in age, said that "We're all dying off".
Additionally, he said that the crash of 2008, took out a lot of small business modeling scrach building vendors.
This as well as that many young people, are more interested in computer games.
The high prices these days don't help the situation.
Thanks again for sharing your commentary.
The reason for the decline In model shops i feel is a mixed bag of reasons.
Firstly, it's too expensive. Model railways for example these days are getting lower in quality - with motors failing and mazac rot - but higher in price. My local model shop's prices aren't the greatest either.
Speaking of the model shop itself, the range of products doesn't tend to be exactly what I require. I want a certain paint, a certain glue, a certain kit or whatever. If a shop doesn't stock what people want to spend their money on, they're not going to make money.
Blaming today's children is slightly harsh. Go on any larger model railway channel and the comments sections are FULL of young kids wanting their own layout. But thanks to horrendous pricing and the rather toxic stigma that it's for adults only, they can't have them. As for model kits, they're on the rise in pricing as well, as well as complexity and fragility. I can't cut a Spitfire's control stick from the sprue without it snapping thanks to shoddy Indian/Chinese plastic. If I can't do that, a young child surely can't either.
The whole scale modelling hobby is too "adult" and too exclusive. It's marketed wrongly. There is a market, of both children and adults, but they're not tended to correctly. It's alright having a limited edition model of a pre-pre-grouping steam locomotive that you've never heard of for like 150 quid, but it's not when little Jimmy can't even get something from his parents for his birthday because they can't afford, nor find it.
+1
I would also add the boomers fucked up our economy.
They shipped the living wage jobs to the third world while inviting them in undercutting job availability, wages, and even affordable housing!! As an example a dinky house in the suburbs of Vancouver, Canada goes for several million dollars!!!
So no wonder we can't afford to spend lavishly at a model store anymore with the inflation and devaluation of our money while we can barely afford living expenses!!
And blaming today's children is their fault. They didn't teach us self-sufficiency. They either nannied us to death or just plopped us in front of a screen calling it a day. And they wonder why we are addicted to the electronic stuff!!
If you wouldn't turn my comment into a political debate about immigration and economy, that'd be great. Models trains, mate - it's not that deep.
It's crazy that a model kit with 3 ounces of molded plastic costs $35 us dollar's! . Also I noticed that most retail shops dont out any thing on sale ever, it's crazy that summer time thing are at full mark ups
The comic book industry has also evolved to be "Big Kids" only which was one of the dumber developments.
There are other factors, yes, but the fact that there is no easy entry point, no entry level titles (comics for kids are basically extinct) into many series and they're bogged down in nitty gritty details that really aren't THAT important gets to be annoying. Some people just aren't into that.
Also, at $4 an issue, 32pages is NOT a great/economical pay-off in entertainment -- especially for something that'll generally only be read once.
The funny thing is that the live-action superhero films may finally finish off the comic book hobby. I can't think of another time in history where A) it's harder to find shops because so many of have closed in the last decade; B) the location/quality of the shops is highly variable, a lot of them are dumps in depressed areas; C) the quality of the publishing is at its lowest level that I can remember; D) the hobby just isn't fun for a lot of people.
E) If I can recommend one thing above all -- don't let SJW's get into your hobby.... Those guys ruin about everything they touch and if they infiltrate important editorial positions in a company, they'll rot the company from the inside out with ridiculous politics and personal attacks that'll just drive people away. It may not affect your hobby, but it's hurt games, comics, and TV/movies now (see: Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor Who).
F) A lot of the previous points happened because the movies are generating alot of income for the comic book publishers. They're neglecting -- what else, the publishing side of the business which is SUPPOSED to generate decent ideas for the movies!
There are more than a few hobby industries on life support or greatly diminished -- trading cards for one.
Completely agree with you
I know exactly what you mean - there were lots of model shops in my boyhood. The town I grew up in had two model shops, now they are gone. In Cardiff I have only been able to find one good model shop (not including the two war games shops, which seem to still be doing well), which is thankfully still going. If anyone from Cardiff reads this please support the local model shop. The fun of browsing the shelves for hours and putting together first world war aircraft kits with my own hands - it was hugely satisfying.
Are you talking about Antics? I'm in Bristol and there is one here as well. As a shop it's great; wide choice of hobbies including RC, kits, trains and even a bit of Airsoft/BB. It's a little more expensive than the internet shops but that's the price for a bricks and mortar shop. And since it's a (small) regional chain there's a few shops scattered about the place...
One big thing keeping kids from building models is the incomprehensible price inflation.
I'm 67. When I built plastic kits in the 1960s they might get up to two whole dollars each, for the larger kits or those with optional parts.
Now, the same kit (reissued, sometimes but not always made with refurbished molds) is fifty to seventy dollars.
Granted two dollars was a significant chunk of change back then but it was *not* equivalent to fifty today.
I'm sure its an extra thrill/challenge building models from your childhood/earlier life, but if you're looking for more reasonably priced kits, try some newer kits. You can get a lot of great Revell or Trumpeter kits for around 20 dollars or less, and from my own experience the newer kits are a lot more enjoyable to build. Getting those vintage or rare kits is never cheap.
@@FrederickJones_00 Don't mind me, I'm just doing the Grumpy Old Fart thing.
Actually I quit building plastic long ago. I took up card modeling a few years back- it's a whole new skill set and you can't hide mistakes with putty. I mainly watch these videos for the nostalgia value although I will admit to feeling a certain styrene-induced itch. . ;>)
Well I found your channel during trying to learn Lindy Hop dancing and then this is recommended as well as the tank ride.
Really feel this was a great pick :D
To be fair, creating (NOT buying) virtual models has its joys too. Watching them grow and slowy progress toward completion, overcoming the challenges that presents you is just as wonderful. And then driving them through environments I could never ever recreate with real models... that's a genuine hobby as well.
And now excuse me please, I'm working on my next train for Cities:Skylines!
I agree with you...virtual models can be every bit as detailed (in fact more I'd suggest).. than any RL model and it still takes time, practice and patience...cheers now
If you don't take my word for it, take Shad's!
Not to mention you can texture and modify an infinite amount, its completely 'free' and you can add animations and even functions.
Same, I think virtual modelling is what kills physical models, not computer war games.
That, and probably that you must pay easily a month's rent for a single miniature train loco. No coaches, no tracks, no electricity, nothing else. And speaking of rent, where are today's common people even supposed to have room for a layout?
When I was a kid, while I did collect Warhammer, my absolute love was building naval warships. I never got my hands on the Bismarck but the two aircraft carriers I owned were fun as hell to look at, with the little aircraft, etc. But then I just sort of stopped caring about models in general and I didn't really know why. They were still cool and I did buy a few model kits from stuff like Gundam 08th MS Team, but the sad truth is they never got out of the box.
About a decade passed before I returned to the model scene after falling in love with the Space Battleship Yamato 2199 remake series. Bought up a lot of the starships from it and, admittedly, they were in boxes for a year until something magical happened. A Category 4 Cyclone rolled through my area and the house was without power for nearly 10 days.
... needless to say, it took an electronics blackout to set me back on the path of model building to keep me entertained and I say this with a little shame. Which leads me to answering that, yes, video games and other forms of similar entertainment are detrimental to being creative with your hands. Sure, it's another form of art but compared to model building you really can't compare the two.
So if we end up seeing a nuke go off in the atmosphere within our lifetime, at least the model business will thrive!
Glad you looked in the display cases, I’d spent the last few minutes going frame by frame trying to see what was in there.
As a lad in the late 1980's/early 90's, I'd trawl around all the model shops of Newcastle on a Saturday with my dear old dad. It was magical! Sometime after I came to know Bob Lutman too as we were both RNR and later RAF types. I still have the sticker for the model shop on the side of my R/C (no, not Roman Catholic, although I have never asked it) Flair Piper Cub. Lovely shop, lovely people and I deeply mourne the loss of these institutions. Nice that there is still a proper little model shop in my home town of Morpeth though. Squirrelled away, nice and safe I hope. 😊
Wonderful work, keep it up!
That place reminded me of "Hobby House" in Louisville, Kentucky, a place I dearly loved to go to as it had the best selection anywhere. I was so sad to see it close, and becoming a seedy pay check advance loan establishment only made things worse! Thanks for bringing back some memories!
Unfortunately these hobby stores are generally quite expensive. There is always the maker community though which does look to build their own stuff from whatever they can scavenge, 3D print, cast etc.
I have been building models since the early 1970’s normally 1:35th scale tanks . The kits these days are now mostly over £20 and often over £40 yes they are significantly better than what was available when I started but not in the pocket money range of many 10 year olds. If you go to shows you will find that the majority of the people there are men in their late 40’s and upwards. These days model shops are few and far between gone are the days of buying kits in boots ,WH Smith’s and Woolworths or for that matter small local shops stocking a few airfix kits.
The internet has killed off a lot of small shops but when you can buy the same kit £10 to £20 cheaper on line the writing is on the wall.
oh yeah, for sure. i got a cheap 3D printer and while i can't print super fine details with it like the pricey ones, i can make some decent models and paint them with acrylic. i use it mostly for making utility objects but i have made several models myself and there are whole communities dedicated to sharing files for the models. if you buy a lot of models it could save money in the long run.
Most model shops are opened on daddy's money as an excuse to hang out with some mates who also like modeling stuff. They last 6-12 months and then go under, some times to repeat the system. The first one I went at the guy went bankrupt on 2 businesses and then went on to teach business at the local school.. What a shit show that was.
The only real profit left in stores is in Magic the gathering. Warhammer 40k and Magic have carried stories for decades now but 40k is 20% off online by default so it's simply not reasonable to support a store in the same way it used to be. a £20 saving on a large kit isn't something you can sniff at.
I think the pre-built RC models killed the static model kit building hobby during the 1980's, and from early 90's kids were interested more into video games.
Just saw your video..... i lived in Harrow, middlesex and we had the "Harrow model shop", back in the 80`s.... cannot find a picture of the shop now... but it was magic... toy guns, rpgs etc and yes models too..... best part of my life and still no pictures on the web....!
Thanks man! You've inspired me to finish an awesome 1/48 SR-71 I've had for a while
the price is silly now though, compare what modeling used to cost and it's just so silly. A lot of shops don't really advertise their existance at all, which in an age where you expect to be able to find out if a place is even still open and what its opening hours are is something that is distinctly lacking.
cost is also linked to time, as decreaseing pay has meant not just that models are more expensive but that more people work longer hours just to make rent and be able to eat.
The lack of advertising / web presence definitely is something that must have hurt the specialist shops.
Then again ... it's something a lot of the non computer related stores tend to have in common.
Price is a big issue but also time. I have never had enough free time at school to do models
The instructions are always slightly wrong and paint is difficult
Why not do them at home instead of playing computer games or on the phone?
I was just about to say this. It's so expensive.
@@lyndoncmp5751 I do. I also have a lot of work to do.
@@bearsaroundhere Well that's different. I just see kids on their phones or computer games a hell of a lot.
My dad used to go to a model shop in Aberdeen as a kid, his dad would drop him off with some friends and they’d wonder by the aisles and rows. I inherited his love for planes and military from when he was a kid, and it seems I’m the only kid in my neighbourhood here in Canada that does models anymore. Anyways, we went visiting my dads family in Scotland and we found the spot where it used to be. It was supposed to be upstairs on top of a sweets shop, and now today it is replaced by yet another boring chocolate shop. I think that was the first time I saw him really sad in a long long time, and we spent a while looking about the aisles of the chocolate shop instead...
My dad also showed me scale modeling because he used to do it as a kid aswell. But it's a shame that I'm the only kid around here who build models and is interested in military technology.
Yes! Those are stores I spent my childhood in! Love it. Thanks
Games workshop still exists and is doing better than ever, but that's one of very few model/hobby shops that still exist
The rest of really good models have gone online because its cheaper for them to be made in small quantities and then sent to people by post
Yeah, they're doing incredibly well! Their share prices have trippled since the release of Age of Sigmar.
THey're CUNTS.
Warhammer is basically all the model making culture for kids now. Did it for circa 3 years, and in that time I saw the hobby get progressively more expensive up to the point of being prohibitively so.
I played it back when I was between 8->11 about 13 years ago and it definitely got very expensive
I got into it again thanks to their specialist games recently at the end of my degree, and yeah, it really is pricey, but they do some absolutely amazing designs in my opinion :)
Hoping to get into some home sculpting and casting myself this summer
and casting, well no wonder, if you only buy on kit of each.
Im under 18, no not specifying, I LOVE MAKEING MODEL KITS specialy Tamiya kits
Keep at it lad..........take time to watch people like Andy's Hobby Headquarters on RUclips and watch how he does things.....even IF you don;t do Airbrush painting...there are tons of tips and skills to pick up...most of all...keep at it...and HAVE FUN Glad that you enjoy it! my sons are all builders as well.........and have huge collections now.....they are 14, 11 and 7!........
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Was just telling the missus a day or two ago how every model shop I've ever known going back the my first one as a kid is just a memory. This includes the US and parts of Europe. Sad!
We just lost Chinook Hobbies in Calgary. The guy basically GAVE the business to his grandkids, who tried to make a go of it, but the cost is huge and you have to have the traffic.
I've had so much fun in Quarantine, built an Revell A-380, painted in British Airways colours, AH-64 Apache Longbow Gunship in British AAC colours and markings and a Tornado that I built, but haven't started painting it. Looking at RAF, also at Luftwaffe colours.
What a great looking store! I spent ages exploring similar as a lad, debating for ages on what to spend my paper round or pocket money on, good times!
And because you filmed "toys" a bucnh of toy channels are in the recommended section now.
fuck my entire recommended section is filled with toy reviews and minecraft give me back my Lindybeige and Historia Civilis
meanwhile the same but also a school shooting thing, but one actual model
We have a model shop in our own Newcastle in New South Wales, Australia, called Frontline Hobbies. It has a wide range of model kits, accessories, paint, tools and supplies. It also has a web presence so you can order on-line. However, I like the pleasure of personal shopping, and enjoy a visit there to get what I want. The staff are very helpful and knowledgeable. They have been around a long time and have a strong following.
Model building started with me about 10 years or so ago, when I was 10 or 11 (22 next month). My grandparents gave me a 1/1200 scale Titanic from Revell. Since than I always was checking about the local shop after school. I really miss those shops, the last few years they all seem to close down...
I live in the Netherlands.
I am the modern child, or teenager. And love these models. I am right now working on the Apollo 11 working model. It separates in to 3 stages. I learned about models when quarantine came up in 2020. I was walking through hobby lobby looking for things to do and came across models. I asked my mom "Mom what is that? Is it a toy? Why a toy in a hobby store?" She responded "No, that is a model. Me and my brother used to make them all the time." And ever since I loved models. Something about building your toys and then using them is amazing. I hope it does not die off. Also for you in 2018 model making is coming back. They have started making models based of video games which has brought back many children to modeling.
Edit: Thank you so much for the support. With being such an old video I was not expecting to be replied to or liked.
I’m a teenager and as I type this my 1/700 Bismarck’s paint is drying
I started when a friend gave me two models and I repainted them to make them more accurate. Then I bought some of my own.
The Saturn V, Apollo, LEM kit was my favorite when back in 1969 or 1970. It was huge when stacked for all together, maybe 36 inches/ 91.44cm. you could break it down to the individual stages include the escape rocket. The LEM was also two parts and the legs would fold into launch position and you could fit it in the complete rocket stack.
I was able to keep it for 5-8 years before my mother tossed it 😡.
Thank you for the memories.
@@allanbeck4634 the Airfix 1/144 most probably, never had it but it was impressive.
As a 16 year old, I will say that building models from kits or scratch is far more interesting and fun than computer games or pre-built items.
That's comparing apples to oranges. When I was 10-13 I'd get the model cars that I used in Gran Turismo 3/4.
The Jedi Train Spotter I'm 1 year older and I just like both
The Jedi Train Spotter hear hear!
Rodrigo Vaccari I really don't understand the reason of your comment. Since are you trying to make fun of me for "bragging" since how is saying you enjoy both a brag. Or are you just bragging completely out of context and if so, why to me?
Rodrigo Vaccari k
3:28 "cant be done by hand", sure but modelers achieve even better detail than that stuff. The advancement of technology has allowed us to print water slide decals with writing on them that can only be read with a microscope, tho the already built models that you take out of the box can still be useful to current modelers, I use them to practice some painting techniques and color contrasts. Here in Asia, plastic modeling is on a slow but steady rise, especially because of gunpla. I started modeling because of gunpla, and I watch plastic modeling videos to enhance my skills in making these beautiful pieces of plastics look as if they were real.
I feel your pain! I was born and raised in London, remember building kits with my father, eventually building them myself and like you used to spend my pocket money on them each week. Relocated to Florida USA 13 years ago, was a few model shops here, then I had a break from models for about 10 years, now back into it and discovered all those model shops are closed. Now I have to buy everything online and waiting months for paint from Japan. Apparently models are still doing well over there. Last model I completed was a 1/72 Hasegawa FB-111A converted to a RAAF F-111G, even those kits now are hard to find and expensive and good job I kept my model stash.
I must respectively disagree. While model stores are on the decline that is more about retail in general. The hobby of model kits seems to be very popular. I had my kids at the hobby store earlier today and there were 20+ people working there, primarily on Gundam kits by Bandai. I picked up specialty materials I only dreamed as a child and will be applying them to my Airfix British Mark I.
I was going to comment something similar, having just watched the video. High street retail is having some real issues and doesn't seem like a viable business model for most products. Model making is doing just fine!
Gunpla will never die. Thats just the long and short of it XD
Oh the paints and new modelling materials now, you can really make those older style kits look amazing!
Yeah, building your own miniatures is a ton of fun. Too bad it's very, very expensive to do so.
Beriorn They're called models, not "miniatures".
Jake Kennedy they're interchangeable terms. You don't need to be such a prick about it
It's only as expensive as you want it to be really.
Models for wargames tend to be basic and cheap.
Museum quality display models ... not so much.
Quality of the models does tend to have a direct relation to the cost though.
You could build them from scratch if you wanted to ... (I've seen stunningly detailed models made out of cardboard).
The only difference is that the resource time instead of money.
For the price of an xbox you can buy all the tools you need and an airbrush plus a few models to kick. not really that much money.
Model building fostered my desire to read, was an outlet for my curiosity and led to eventual service in the US military.
Great video. Thanks.
The "ha" at about 5:00 (and the comment that went with it) put a smile on my face and reminded me of hitting "like".
I used to love modelling,but never became really good at it. You know,the seams...
What I'm proud of though is what I built for my playmobil figurines, weapons out of toothpicks, coats, scenery...alas, many years prior to the advent of digital photography :)
hi there Mr. lindybeige
I have been building models for as long as i can remember and i have been building rc models since i was 8.
I'm now at the point were i found a way to take the files from world of tanks strip them down and scale them to 1/16 scale and than print some of the parts. the rest I'm scratch building from styrene and brass. and at this moment i'm building a cromwell, A30 challenger and a naishorn this way. and I recently finished my tiger 1 and centaur dozer.
So scale modelling is not dead
Greetings tim
"Kids can't be bothered to make things"
Meanwhile, in Minecraft....
Kids are also already 3D printing things in school. And 3D printing will, in time, reduce the gap between visual and physical a lot.
@@Embrachu Digital art absolutely IS art. What a bizarre hill to die on. Is Kurt Schwitters not an artist because he manipulated existing parts? Is any music made using samples not art?
@@Embrachu You can make art from scratch in photoshop. It's not all about manipulating images.
Consider how much money it costs to buy a single model compared to getting, for example, Minecraft. Sure, the computer is more expensive but you'll almost certainly have one.
It's not got the tactile feeling you get building a model but you can do quite a lot with it.
@glareola It takes skill, artistic creativity, patience....by what definition is it NOT craft?
We have one model left in Anchorage Alaska and it's wonderful to stroll thru this shop with my Grandchildren
I've never heard of the Model Materials Shop. I used to get my stuff from The Model Shop on Blenheim Street but I believe that's gone now as well. Mind you, a few years ago one of the sales staff tried to tell my brother that Hornby never made electric operated points for the old three-rail stuff even though we still had our childhood layout that included a number of them.