Really enjoy your videos man. The only criticism I have is with some of your pronunciations of words like, "San Diego", "about" and a few others. It's probably just a me problem but they stand out like a sore thumb. Other than that I really enjoy watching your videos.l
Funny how they needed that when they have like everything else... (Go. Fa. Ap. Mi.) Seeing similar lines with what happened with the "old" but still "current" owner of Telegram in France... Backdoors open everywhere and in Everything "SMART"...
You underestimate how important encrypted methods of communication are to criminals. If they don’t use them, someone else will, and that someone else will be making much more money.
no no no no bad closing line bad closing line they're in my walls they're in my walls they're in my walls they're in my walls they're in my walls they're in my walls they're in my walls they're in my walls
Exactly they already had gps on him but if they picked him up with the court order he would have beat the case what he was supposed to do was cross the border from San Diego at the San Ysidro walking bridge then he could have take some time to think out a better plan as well he should have ditched the phone and gone dark
nah he deffo took more and the feds looked the other way. the $120k will have been to tick a box. fed's have no issue bending the law & hiding a few things. $120k over like 5 years is a criminal low amount, if the top guy got 9 years, he would've got maybe 1-3 years at best as a distributer.
I just wanted to point out that at 10:53 when Crumb is narrating about Bellingham, WA that picture is from the inside of Old Town Cafe on Holly St. in Bellingham. It still has great breakfast and Crumb really doing work on the B-reel.
If I were that breakfast spot, I would be publicizing all over that someone who helped multibillion-dollar drug cartels thought my food was worth risking jail for. 💀
Let's be real here. the only thing he actually did illegal is delete data when requested (destruction of evidence) selling encrypted phones isn't illegal. Modifying phones to remove unwanted features isn't illegal. encrypting messages isn't illegal. He should have done an end to end encryption so that literally only messenger and recipient could read the messages and either or could delete it.
No, under RICO laws they had him death to rights for conspiracy by knowingly selling to criminals organizations a product designed specifically for their operations. Its called conspiracy to commit crimes and there is the addition al charges of aiding and abetting, providing material support and conspiracy to destroy evidence. These are each, at least one count per organization sold to in the sting. But in several these is more likely potentially hundreds if not thousands of counts for each charge, per organization. That's enough to put him away ffg or several consecutive sentences and lifetimes.
If it was actually encrypted to the company also, it kind of falls under Schrodinger's evidence right? Knowingly selling to a cartel is one thing. Refusing to sell to individuals that contact you individually and provably separate, is discrimination no?
@@nachashiesu-sophia No, ilegal doesn't as always equal wrong. But in this case it did, he was there to meet with people whose businesses were known to him as criminal organizations and he represented to them that this product was designed specifically for their unique criminal needs. That is conspiracy and aiding and abetting. But also morally wrong.
This video plus the one made by Cipher (how I found this channel) are a great compliment to each other on this story. Crumb focused more on the people, Cipher focused more on the technology / phones themselves. Great watches, both of them
Did you watch the video, I am not pretending to be an expert but according to the narrator, there was no fence where he was headed he could have walked across.
What they did to Vince was CLEAR entrapment!! All they wanted to do was destroy a privacy-oriented business so they created a literal trap for him. Yeah maybe he got a bit too greedy because of his dwindling numbers, but he got encouraged to commit a crime by only FBI agents. No real crime even occurred. That's crazy to me.
For Vince, it was entrapment, but he was, in no way, clean or opposed to working with organized crime. It wasnt his intent but he was well aware of what his business became. With a good lawyer he could have walked away with less than a slap on the wrist by cooperating and/or making a legal case of it being entrapment. Instead he ran and tried to cross the border which sealed his fate.
@@oliver1784 Given that some of the Anom receipts the FBI got involved assassinations and hits, I wouldn’t be surprised if Vince also condoned that kind of activity on his services. Or are laws against murder also bad?
Not gonna lie, there's two things I'm surprised by in this video: 1. That providing privacy services - something that itself would appear to be entirely legal - to people doing illegal stuff is apparently illegal? 2. That collecting information of Americans is illegal considering that's what exactly the NSA did lol
For 1) It's not the offering privacy services, it's the knowingly facilitating illegal activities. If the privacy service does not grant themselves access to the contents (like how Signal claims, not sure if they can be trusted but that's a separate issue) and forces the users to do all their work themselves they could have gotten away with it. In my opinion, the fact that you can contact the company to delete your chats remotely implies that the company has access to your device (or at least can send a kill signal), which provides reasonable belief to investigate the company and potentially arrest people involved. Whether the company had access and had a duty to inform Law Enforcement would have been determined by the courts, but an arrest could potentially be justified. Just because you're arrested and charged doesn't mean you're guilty in the US. It just means the alphabet boys think you've committed a crime and will attempt to prove it in court.
Actually according to an insider the feds leadership got mad after an Israeli was sold a phone .. and this is THE ONLY condition they gave to the operation leaders, no Israelis.
Reminds me a little of the story of the Berlin tunnel, a wiretapping operation by joint US and British intelligence that was discovered by a Soviet spy, but allowed to proceed because the KGB wanted more penetration into the American-British spy network. The part about the feds allowing the criminals to market their phones on their own reminded me of that. Steve Vogel's book Betrayal in Berlin covers that one.
Anom had similar problems as the German encryption device called Enigma. Once the UK has broken it the allies had to be careful about using the information without informing Germany.
@@benskevno he did not crack the Anom phone the video is literally about how it happened. as for Mr. Turing he left this earth in 1954 but everything else this guy said about him is true
@@youriklaassens7198 he stuck to his word and company’s policy that he would never let law enforcement infiltrate his business. Not many people would have the integrity to follow through with their word when facing 10+ years in prison.
@@youriklaassens7198digital surveillance is a concerning issue considering law enforcement arent just after bad people with bad intentions but also good people that threaten government and expose their bad intentions.
These phones are how i got busted lol. My boss was bragging to me about how sick this phone was, how u needed a password to get past the fake homscreen that u enter in the calculator.. ended up being one of tjese and everthing i sent was seen by rcmp and used against me lol. They knew what car i was in, when i worked, where, what time etc. When i got caught it was by toyota camrys and dodge mini vans. I cant even lie, this was a smart move on the feds part lol. Well played
not that hard to work a real job... probably get paid more to. well seeing that your profile picture is an suv, you're not that wise with your money. glad they got your ret@rded @ss
@theguymanthing5405 sellin oxy pills. I was hooked on em for years ended up sellin em to pay fkr the habbit. Once i got busted, couldnt call for them anymore and was faced with withdrawls. Let me tell you, that was the worst couple weeks of my life. (Served me right though i know) been clean for a few years now and i guess u could say these phones helped me kick my habbit. But no, they werent jjst for ppl sellin weed. Im kinda glad i got caught tho cuz until i got those withdrawls i saw nothing wrong with selling prescription pills. But man the withdrawls make u cold but sweaty, hot but shivering, tired but cant sleep, itches inside your bones you csnt scratch, no matter how u lie down ur not comfortable and sore in some way, nauseous, hungry but cant eat, lights are bright but it hurts ur head to keep ur eyes closed.... dont ever fk with opiates man. Moral of the story.
The fact that people's private and intimate messages were being read is a fact I think you glossed over too fast. This is an insane amount of mass surveillance, and in the end it wasn't even worth it. Despite all these arrests, drugs are still being peddled in these regions every day. So citizens had their privacy stripped from them for...no reason? WTF
It’s honestly really cool to see how this channel has developed. It started with RuneScape (which I love) and has morphed into cyber crime which is a fascinating subject! Good work crumb, keep it up! By the way, the creator crafted store resin prints look amazing
the other question is how did they avoid discovery issues in court cases. If the feds are caught withholding anything from discovery it could be considered a Brady violation, and it brings up ethical issues for federal attorneys.
At @20:06 and @20:11 there are photos of this guy wearing a suit and not wearing a suit. But apart from the suit, they are the same photo. Why did someone photoshop a suit onto his body? That makes no sense. (Since the images are exactly 5 seconds apart, you can use the left/right arrow keys when the video is paused to switch between the images.)
Jagex makes it complicated. I took 6months off it, forgot my password and their customer service hasn't responded to me. Hell, even offered my CC info to make the retrieval faster
I remember coming across some of these "privacy" phones while checking into private messengers... I remember thinking that in the best case scenario you are sticking a big red flag on your forehead for law enforcement, in the worst - the system is compromised... And nobody is stupid enough to fall for it... Boy was I wrong. 😂
fun fact: the stock footage surveillance cameras 1 and 4 come from Stuttgart, Germany. The cameras are located to the left of the art museum (glass building) on the Schlossplatz
Crumb you are the goat bro! I love your videos. I’ve been addicted since I first found you a couple months back. No one compares bro. I watch your cyber crime stories the most. Them bitches be on point! Keep going with it bro!
This explains Google pixels. A lot. During the original pixels release, it saw pathetic sales. The only reason it was considered to still be around was because Google had more than enough money to let it die. Turns out the FBI was buying thousands of them
BROOO WHAT THE FUDGE, at 15:58 the blue dots are literally 10 minutes walk from my home! i got scared shitless what the hell ahahhaha thats literally around the corner for me!!!
Its technically not entrapment, as they didnt pressure people into doing something they wouldnt have done, but it certainly still dystopian. The FBI is a domestic agency. Why are they allowed to spy on other countries?
@@007i1 they came in to talk to the guy posing as criminals. He had to continue with the deal. Would you tell hardened criminals to screw off but not to worry because their secret's safe with you? The coercion they used would be enough to cause any reasonable person to commit a crime out of self preservation.
I was observing a federal trial when the subject of these phones first came up to my astonishment the defense attorney After the FBI agent explain that the phones were going through the FBI office. the two questions that weren't asked was don't you need to get a search warrant to use these phones or is this entrapment ?
If you conceal or destroy evidence of a crime with full knowledge of the fact a crime was committed you can be arrested. Vince absolutely knew that was happening and agreed to be complicit. In the book, he told undercover agents that he could help them hide their crimes.
@@Ultimatum878 It's still entrapment. They had to create "evidence" of his willing & knowledgeable participation in the concealment of those crimes. They, the FBI agents, goaded him into selling phones to customers he assumed were criminals. They got him to commit a crime that he might not have otherwise "knowingly" or "willingly" done. I'm no lawyer, but based on the definition of entrapment they indeed entrapped him.
Without the setup, the argument could've been made that he "didn't know" that his services were being used by criminals due to the intense focus placed on privacy. "They simply asked me to delete messages like any other user, legitimate or otherwise, could; messages which I could not read due to encryption."
@@smokeybowls187 Not an expert on entrapment but from what I'm reading online in the u.s. entrapment is a defense you can argue in court. The act of entrapment is not illegal itself. In this specific case it would absolutely not apply Vince took the initiative to set up his business completely on his own and was completely aware that he was deleting evidence of crimes. The entrapment defense only works if the jury decides that the defendant would not have committed the crime without influence from the police. The fact that both Vince and the first guy the feds were able to get a phone through deleted the messages suggest that this was standard practice for Vince's business that he founded. I agree that we should have privacy but I'm not going to lose any sleep over Vince. IMO he got off easy. In 2023 about 150,000 people died from overdoses of drugs in the u.s. alone. How many drug dealers weren't caught because of Vince? He was clearly someone smart and talented enough to make a living and support his family legitimately. He was catering to criminals entirely to satisfy his greed. Fuck him.
There's actually a trilogy to this saga concerning this anon, 3rd part is in play as we sit watching our devices today.. ..and it'll shock the many in uniform whom was involved; depending on their worth to the clave ofcourse.
18:35 You make a good point ive been thinking about it the whole video. The government cant handle people having their own privacy although they seem to be doing it for a good cause this just raised more questions than answers. Is there even such thing as privacy? or are all our devices Just that easily accessible by the government?
We pretty much don't. It's worth noting nobody is sitting there watching your activity all day. It might be related to an AI algorithm that might potentially flag you or more likely, they suspect you of something and use a court order to pull all your phone records and internet history from the companies you use.
@@crazychicken8290 vague as “vag”, Las Vegas as “Las Vahgas” San Diego as “San Diahgo”. Either he has never heard anyone say those words before or it’s on purpose. It’s weird, he makes good content but it feels really tacky to resort to engagement bait like this.
So he really didn't commit a crime but he didn't make the FEDS job less difficult so they found a reason? Imagine if they just asked him for limited access in special circumstances & he said yes. He'd be a massive multimillionaire & would have a massive bargaining chip in the future. Wild.
His business hinged on the fact that feds did not have access. Imagine how popular Snapchat would be if it's users found out Snaps weren't deleted forever instead save and archived on a server waiting for an authority or someone with enough to access due to special circumstances.
@ExileXCross now imagine that IS what happens & it's just a well kept secret. Look at those encryption message apps. They were supposed to be completely secure but it turns out the feds could access them.
At 28:00, you said Australia, but you put the New Zealand flag on-screen, bro; it is offensive to do that to us Aussies and Kiwis. Please fix it; thank you.
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Really enjoy your videos man. The only criticism I have is with some of your pronunciations of words like, "San Diego", "about" and a few others. It's probably just a me problem but they stand out like a sore thumb. Other than that I really enjoy watching your videos.l
Nice try, bet that link is an FBI honeypot!
😂😂😂. Egg are eggs
I liked your video, and reading through the comments was 🤣🤣😂😂
Funny how they needed that when they have like everything else... (Go. Fa. Ap. Mi.) Seeing similar lines with what happened with the "old" but still "current" owner of Telegram in France...
Backdoors open everywhere and in Everything "SMART"...
Bro couldn't wait another 30 minutes to get bacon and eggs, bro just HAD to enjoy a good ol' American breakfast on American soil lmao
With his WIFI turned on, with his personal phone. If he had it off, they most likely wouldn't have caught him. Dumbass.
I was just thinking this like BRO you were basically there, they have bacon and eggs in Canada too man.
@@mnstrz0clearly it's worth going to jail over having Canadian bacon
Man I wish they named the restaurant in the records, must've been some hella good eggs
@@Crumb "Eggs worth risking it ALL!" lol
They find out their ‘unhackable’ phones got hacked by the Feds and the next thing they do is get another ‘unhackable’ phone… Makes total sense 😂😂😂
You underestimate how important encrypted methods of communication are to criminals. If they don’t use them, someone else will, and that someone else will be making much more money.
Well you can choose. Use a normal phone or a encrypted phone.
Thats like saying we should stop using the internet because it gets hacked
"If it isn't in your pocket already"... Nice closing line!
no no no no bad closing line bad closing line they're in my walls they're in my walls they're in my walls they're in my walls they're in my walls they're in my walls they're in my walls they're in my walls
@@avi hahahahaha
@@avi bro stay on ur meds 💊
If you have and iOS or Android phone it's in your pocket right now. 😂
@@Isaac_132 its in ur hands. DUH!!
Based on what we know from PRISM, they knew where he was the whole time. They just needed to legally catch him without revealing how they knew.
Exactly they already had gps on him but if they picked him up with the court order he would have beat the case what he was supposed to do was cross the border from San Diego at the San Ysidro walking bridge then he could have take some time to think out a better plan as well he should have ditched the phone and gone dark
$120k!? Bro got robbed by the feds
fr. they seized millions and gave bro the leftovers💀
At least he got some of the 10 er 8 no wait 5 (counts again) 3 million they seized
They paid him in freedom if he didn't do that he would've faced 20+ years in prison that's some change to start a new life
he wasn't really in a position to bargain
nah he deffo took more and the feds looked the other way. the $120k will have been to tick a box. fed's have no issue bending the law & hiding a few things. $120k over like 5 years is a criminal low amount, if the top guy got 9 years, he would've got maybe 1-3 years at best as a distributer.
I just wanted to point out that at 10:53 when Crumb is narrating about Bellingham, WA that picture is from the inside of Old Town Cafe on Holly St. in Bellingham. It still has great breakfast and Crumb really doing work on the B-reel.
I live here as well. Sat on that bench many times lol
Just to clear things up, the place he was actually arrested was the over easy restaurant on james st.
If I were that breakfast spot, I would be publicizing all over that someone who helped multibillion-dollar drug cartels thought my food was worth risking jail for. 💀
Let's be real here. the only thing he actually did illegal is delete data when requested (destruction of evidence) selling encrypted phones isn't illegal. Modifying phones to remove unwanted features isn't illegal. encrypting messages isn't illegal. He should have done an end to end encryption so that literally only messenger and recipient could read the messages and either or could delete it.
No, under RICO laws they had him death to rights for conspiracy by knowingly selling to criminals organizations a product designed specifically for their operations. Its called conspiracy to commit crimes and there is the addition al charges of aiding and abetting, providing material support and conspiracy to destroy evidence. These are each, at least one count per organization sold to in the sting. But in several these is more likely potentially hundreds if not thousands of counts for each charge, per organization. That's enough to put him away ffg or several consecutive sentences and lifetimes.
@@Spiritofhope5 I think he meant ethically, because not everyone is simple-minded and submissive enough to believe that or act as if illegal = wrong.
If it was actually encrypted to the company also, it kind of falls under Schrodinger's evidence right?
Knowingly selling to a cartel is one thing.
Refusing to sell to individuals that contact you individually and provably separate, is discrimination no?
@@nachashiesu-sophia No, ilegal doesn't as always equal wrong. But in this case it did, he was there to meet with people whose businesses were known to him as criminal organizations and he represented to them that this product was designed specifically for their unique criminal needs. That is conspiracy and aiding and abetting. But also morally wrong.
Too bad. Life in prison for him I say.
You're supposed to eat breakfast in Canada when you've gotten away
This video plus the one made by Cipher (how I found this channel) are a great compliment to each other on this story. Crumb focused more on the people, Cipher focused more on the technology / phones themselves. Great watches, both of them
Complement*, a compliment is something nice you tell someone: "nice hair"
A complement is something that contributes to a whole.
Why the fuck would he stop for breakfast?!
Diners in Canada just aren't the same 🥲
@ LOL how’s prison food in comparison?
Doesn’t matter, he would not have been able to cross the border
Did you watch the video, I am not pretending to be an expert but according to the narrator, there was no fence where he was headed he could have walked across.
Haven't you seen the commercials.. you're not you when you're hungry
What they did to Vince was CLEAR entrapment!! All they wanted to do was destroy a privacy-oriented business so they created a literal trap for him. Yeah maybe he got a bit too greedy because of his dwindling numbers, but he got encouraged to commit a crime by only FBI agents. No real crime even occurred. That's crazy to me.
For Vince, it was entrapment, but he was, in no way, clean or opposed to working with organized crime. It wasnt his intent but he was well aware of what his business became. With a good lawyer he could have walked away with less than a slap on the wrist by cooperating and/or making a legal case of it being entrapment. Instead he ran and tried to cross the border which sealed his fate.
@@GamingEelektrosswhat is with peoples facination in thinking that laws = good. Why?
@@oliver1784 Given that some of the Anom receipts the FBI got involved assassinations and hits, I wouldn’t be surprised if Vince also condoned that kind of activity on his services.
Or are laws against murder also bad?
That isn't always illegal tbh.
@@2rx_bni what are you taking about? Entrapment is illegal
Not gonna lie, there's two things I'm surprised by in this video:
1. That providing privacy services - something that itself would appear to be entirely legal - to people doing illegal stuff is apparently illegal?
2. That collecting information of Americans is illegal considering that's what exactly the NSA did lol
For 1) It's not the offering privacy services, it's the knowingly facilitating illegal activities. If the privacy service does not grant themselves access to the contents (like how Signal claims, not sure if they can be trusted but that's a separate issue) and forces the users to do all their work themselves they could have gotten away with it. In my opinion, the fact that you can contact the company to delete your chats remotely implies that the company has access to your device (or at least can send a kill signal), which provides reasonable belief to investigate the company and potentially arrest people involved.
Whether the company had access and had a duty to inform Law Enforcement would have been determined by the courts, but an arrest could potentially be justified. Just because you're arrested and charged doesn't mean you're guilty in the US. It just means the alphabet boys think you've committed a crime and will attempt to prove it in court.
1) it's complicated, talk to a local lawyer
2) it's simple, there's nobody punishing them
Actually according to an insider the feds leadership got mad after an Israeli was sold a phone .. and this is THE ONLY condition they gave to the operation leaders, no Israelis.
The dude still had his phone in his pocket while escaping to Canada? Then stopped for breakfast? I have no words…
Crazy to put the New Zealand flag at 28:00 when talking about Australia
Lmao
Also highlighted Vancouver Island when talking about Vancouver, an easy mistake to make but the city is not on the island.
Reminds me a little of the story of the Berlin tunnel, a wiretapping operation by joint US and British intelligence that was discovered by a Soviet spy, but allowed to proceed because the KGB wanted more penetration into the American-British spy network. The part about the feds allowing the criminals to market their phones on their own reminded me of that.
Steve Vogel's book Betrayal in Berlin covers that one.
0:37 Is that GMan?
Guy from Skibidi Toilet dop dop dop yes yes
No. @@exowars
I guess those phones led to some...
*Unforseen Consequences*
@@exowarsnow tell hows you connection with your parents
@ I'm gonna need you to translate please. I speak English
18:07 guys sipping 15 franks espresso in Geneva: "I don't think we will"
Anom had similar problems as the German encryption device called Enigma. Once the UK has broken it the allies had to be careful about using the information without informing Germany.
was it agent Turing who broke it?
@@benskev Yes. Alan Turing discovered how to break the code. He is the creator of computer science also.
@@benskevno he did not crack the Anom phone the video is literally about how it happened. as for Mr. Turing he left this earth in 1954 but everything else this guy said about him is true
@@usot. a bit late to the party but I think dude was talking about Turing breaking the Enigma code dude....
*Imagine they add this feature to GTA 6 and you can get caught doing a crime because your new phone you bought was wired by the FIB...*
Funny since RCMP (Canada Federal Police) had a backdoor to Blackberries. It wasn’t known at the time but came out later
Abolutely love your videos man
Thank you king
Dang 1 reply only that's sad, for 500 of your currency.
@@YourWorstNightmareyessounds like a complaint a lgbtq furry would make!
@@YourWorstNightmareyes that's $20 btw
@MegaHooked I'm not a furry, look at my description.
>buy phone for criminals
>get caught in criminal investigations
Shocked Pikachu
I didn’t know selling phones to criminals was illegal somebody needs to send Steve Jobs to jail
@@guacamole4724 By your logic then all CEOs of phone manufacturers should then
@@ethanch3011you clearly missed the point of their comment
@@siobibble9078 But companies like Apple have refused to help the FBI in criminal cases
@@guacamole4724the difference is that these guys were knowingly and actively aiding organized crime
Respect to the owner for not working with the feds despite the consequences
Why respect?
Fuck that guy. He was facilitating murder and drug addiction. Fuck that guy, he should have gotten way more than 9 years
@@youriklaassens7198 he stuck to his word and company’s policy that he would never let law enforcement infiltrate his business. Not many people would have the integrity to follow through with their word when facing 10+ years in prison.
@@youriklaassens7198digital surveillance is a concerning issue considering law enforcement arent just after bad people with bad intentions but also good people that threaten government and expose their bad intentions.
Some people think privacy doesn't exist. They believe if the govt wants you get up info that you should , no matter what. It's ridiculous.
These phones are how i got busted lol. My boss was bragging to me about how sick this phone was, how u needed a password to get past the fake homscreen that u enter in the calculator.. ended up being one of tjese and everthing i sent was seen by rcmp and used against me lol. They knew what car i was in, when i worked, where, what time etc. When i got caught it was by toyota camrys and dodge mini vans. I cant even lie, this was a smart move on the feds part lol. Well played
not that hard to work a real job... probably get paid more to. well seeing that your profile picture is an suv, you're not that wise with your money. glad they got your ret@rded @ss
What were you doing tho? If they bothered I wouldn’t think it’s for pushing weed lol
@theguymanthing5405 sellin oxy pills. I was hooked on em for years ended up sellin em to pay fkr the habbit. Once i got busted, couldnt call for them anymore and was faced with withdrawls. Let me tell you, that was the worst couple weeks of my life. (Served me right though i know) been clean for a few years now and i guess u could say these phones helped me kick my habbit. But no, they werent jjst for ppl sellin weed. Im kinda glad i got caught tho cuz until i got those withdrawls i saw nothing wrong with selling prescription pills. But man the withdrawls make u cold but sweaty, hot but shivering, tired but cant sleep, itches inside your bones you csnt scratch, no matter how u lie down ur not comfortable and sore in some way, nauseous, hungry but cant eat, lights are bright but it hurts ur head to keep ur eyes closed.... dont ever fk with opiates man. Moral of the story.
have been watching a lot of your videos over the past day, and these are genuinely so interesting. please keep up the good work!
Obsessed with your channel. So well documented, researched and presented.
lithuania mentioned 🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅
At 5:00 the area pictured is Vancouver Island, Vancouver is not on Vancouver Island.
Absolutely love watching these! Glad to see as you break out of OSRS your views are Skyrocketing!!!
The fact that people's private and intimate messages were being read is a fact I think you glossed over too fast. This is an insane amount of mass surveillance, and in the end it wasn't even worth it. Despite all these arrests, drugs are still being peddled in these regions every day. So citizens had their privacy stripped from them for...no reason? WTF
It’s honestly really cool to see how this channel has developed. It started with RuneScape (which I love) and has morphed into cyber crime which is a fascinating subject! Good work crumb, keep it up! By the way, the creator crafted store resin prints look amazing
This is why I only do all my business discussions in person…
And then comment on public youtube videos that you're likely a criminal. Nice work!
@@TailPress09 haha it’s a joke, I’m just a student 😅
@@TailPress09 oh my, with all that he revealed, I bet the FBI is on their way to him right now!
Yeye 😮@@MrLegendra
Hypothetically speaking if you are discussing criminal activity, what if they rang a wire?
and the day just got better thank you crumb
the other question is how did they avoid discovery issues in court cases. If the feds are caught withholding anything from discovery it could be considered a Brady violation, and it brings up ethical issues for federal attorneys.
So glad you're still putting out videos i really miss your RuneScape content but these videos are great too 😊
Its a good day when crumb uploads
I'm just in love with this new direction and format of your videos :)
time to listen to this while working on stuff. thanks 👍🏽
They/them 😂
adhd zoomer focus on ur work
Wow, only starting this video and it already looks incredible! Great job as always Crumb, and I love the way you describe the phones and business 🙂🎉
This needs to be made into a feature film
I’d watch the whole series if it happened
THANK YOU CRUMB!!!! I’ve been waiting for a new Crumb video since I got hooked and binge watched them all ❤ You’re the man!
Appreciate you :)
@@Crumb Bro, this new video did not disappoint! What a crazy story! I’m about to rewatch it.
I already know what this is about.
Anom, I was there at defcon when they first talked about it there. It was cool af.
you've earned a new subscriber with this one. Nice quality!
At @20:06 and @20:11 there are photos of this guy wearing a suit and not wearing a suit. But apart from the suit, they are the same photo. Why did someone photoshop a suit onto his body? That makes no sense. (Since the images are exactly 5 seconds apart, you can use the left/right arrow keys when the video is paused to switch between the images.)
fun fact you can pause a youtube video and go frame by frame with the keys , and .
I've been here since the early runescape days, so happy you've grown the channel! Do you still play? (Actively, nobody truly quits)
Jagex makes it complicated. I took 6months off it, forgot my password and their customer service hasn't responded to me. Hell, even offered my CC info to make the retrieval faster
It's wild to see you go from making runescape videos to making what makes you more money. I don't blame you.
do you still play oldschool?
Like everything good; it happens once you quit RuneScape.
maybe they enjoy these ones more
@@Nami_Noteprobably considering they pay more 😅 just kidding
He makes such amazing videos
I remember coming across some of these "privacy" phones while checking into private messengers...
I remember thinking that in the best case scenario you are sticking a big red flag on your forehead for law enforcement, in the worst - the system is compromised...
And nobody is stupid enough to fall for it... Boy was I wrong. 😂
fun fact: the stock footage surveillance cameras 1 and 4 come from Stuttgart, Germany. The cameras are located to the left of the art museum (glass building) on the Schlossplatz
En scheena Dag... 😂🙋🏼♀️
Crumb you are the goat bro!
I love your videos.
I’ve been addicted since I first found you a couple months back. No one compares bro.
I watch your cyber crime stories the most. Them bitches be on point!
Keep going with it bro!
bro could have literally walked away a free man and chose "nah, i'll run away and lose 9 years of my life"
14:48 that’s the name of a brand of jeans I have😭 wit the line through the O n everything 💀
After watching this, consider your cell phone. Yes, the OS has a built-in backdoor.
This explains Google pixels. A lot. During the original pixels release, it saw pathetic sales. The only reason it was considered to still be around was because Google had more than enough money to let it die. Turns out the FBI was buying thousands of them
BROOO WHAT THE FUDGE, at 15:58 the blue dots are literally 10 minutes walk from my home! i got scared shitless what the hell ahahhaha thats literally around the corner for me!!!
Nice work, you doxxed yourself lmaoo
I look forward to every one of these stories. Thank you so much for the amazing content!
fuck, I had to pause because I’m Canadian and the little Mountie that pops up / “about it” has me dying 😂
love the video btw 👏
I’ve been watching you for a while now. You are one of, if not the best documentary style channel on RUclips.
10:02 we like keeping things vahg around here
Its a great day when Crumb uploads
Video should be titled: “The biggest Entrapment and Illegal Surveillance Operation by the FBI”
take the L lil bro
Its technically not entrapment, as they didnt pressure people into doing something they wouldnt have done, but it certainly still dystopian. The FBI is a domestic agency. Why are they allowed to spy on other countries?
Less go Crumb uploaded
Yo is that G-Man from Half-Life 2? 0:35
Half life 3 confirmed
looks like gman from half life alyx
spotted it right away and I was scouting the comments to see if I was the only one
nice to see you free man
this def gonna be a movie in like a decade probably
The whole thing wreaks of entrapment. Reminds me of the John Delorean “bust”
You have no idea what entrapment is
You have no idea what entrapment is
Nah this is definitely entrapment.
@michaelgordon8142 how? What have the officers done to coerce someone into breaking a law they otherwise wouldn't?
@@007i1 they came in to talk to the guy posing as criminals. He had to continue with the deal. Would you tell hardened criminals to screw off but not to worry because their secret's safe with you?
The coercion they used would be enough to cause any reasonable person to commit a crime out of self preservation.
I was observing a federal trial when the subject of these phones first came up to my astonishment the defense attorney After the FBI agent explain that the phones were going through the FBI office. the two questions that weren't asked was don't you need to get a search warrant to use these phones or is this entrapment ?
It was answered, they could not use the information from phones held by US citizens.
Las Vagas? I think you mean Vegas, bro. 😂
the real crime was charging $200 a month to subscribe to the service
Anøm is the only kind of surveillance I like, explicitly targeted to criminals.
Clueless
Crumb said in the video that while it was intended for criminals, there were plenty of regular ass people that were on there too
Really informative and great video style- Subbed 👍🔥
What they did to Vince should be crime by itself. And all agents and organizers of that operation should be prosecuted and go to jail.
You know they are above the law, nothing is gonna happen to them.
If you conceal or destroy evidence of a crime with full knowledge of the fact a crime was committed you can be arrested. Vince absolutely knew that was happening and agreed to be complicit. In the book, he told undercover agents that he could help them hide their crimes.
@@Ultimatum878 It's still entrapment. They had to create "evidence" of his willing & knowledgeable participation in the concealment of those crimes. They, the FBI agents, goaded him into selling phones to customers he assumed were criminals. They got him to commit a crime that he might not have otherwise "knowingly" or "willingly" done. I'm no lawyer, but based on the definition of entrapment they indeed entrapped him.
Without the setup, the argument could've been made that he "didn't know" that his services were being used by criminals due to the intense focus placed on privacy. "They simply asked me to delete messages like any other user, legitimate or otherwise, could; messages which I could not read due to encryption."
@@smokeybowls187 Not an expert on entrapment but from what I'm reading online in the u.s. entrapment is a defense you can argue in court. The act of entrapment is not illegal itself. In this specific case it would absolutely not apply Vince took the initiative to set up his business completely on his own and was completely aware that he was deleting evidence of crimes. The entrapment defense only works if the jury decides that the defendant would not have committed the crime without influence from the police. The fact that both Vince and the first guy the feds were able to get a phone through deleted the messages suggest that this was standard practice for Vince's business that he founded.
I agree that we should have privacy but I'm not going to lose any sleep over Vince. IMO he got off easy. In 2023 about 150,000 people died from overdoses of drugs in the u.s. alone. How many drug dealers weren't caught because of Vince? He was clearly someone smart and talented enough to make a living and support his family legitimately. He was catering to criminals entirely to satisfy his greed. Fuck him.
Production was very well done and excellent narration.,!
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one of the best channels on youtube
Crumb when do you plan on dropping Malone 230M crypto heist? Also amazing video keep up great work🙌🏾🙌🏾
There's actually a trilogy to this saga concerning this anon, 3rd part is in play as we sit watching our devices today.. ..and it'll shock the many in uniform whom was involved; depending on their worth to the clave ofcourse.
18:35 You make a good point ive been thinking about it the whole video. The government cant handle people having their own privacy although they seem to be doing it for a good cause this just raised more questions than answers. Is there even such thing as privacy? or are all our devices Just that easily accessible by the government?
We pretty much don't. It's worth noting nobody is sitting there watching your activity all day. It might be related to an AI algorithm that might potentially flag you or more likely, they suspect you of something and use a court order to pull all your phone records and internet history from the companies you use.
Are you really still asking that? Edward Snowden blew that whistle last decade; your communications are their communications.
The only privacy you have is when you walk naked into the woods. Dig a hole 50 feet deep, and talk to yourself. Otherwise, the govt hears it
@@TheTotallyRealXiJinping And unfortunately we cant do anything about it either
I had seen the video of the Challenger outrunning the police helicopter, but i didn't know that was him.
Was watching this while cleaning a broken window thank you
Get a new window dog
0:37 - is it just me or is that a G-Man rig LOL
Bro are you purposefully mispronouncing things to drive engagement?
what did he mispronounce lol
@@crazychicken8290 vague as “vag”, Las Vegas as “Las Vahgas” San
Diego as “San Diahgo”. Either he has never heard anyone say those words before or it’s on purpose. It’s weird, he makes good content but it feels really tacky to resort to engagement bait like this.
@@Sam-hz7nk yeah and its working
Comment engagement isn't so important for views
@Crumb That's cap. It 100% boosts your change to get hit my the algorithm. Stop lying.
Can u imagine what the CIA has with criminals?
0:37 FBI gman lmfao
immediately noticed it lmao
PogChamp, great new youtuber
So he really didn't commit a crime but he didn't make the FEDS job less difficult so they found a reason? Imagine if they just asked him for limited access in special circumstances & he said yes. He'd be a massive multimillionaire & would have a massive bargaining chip in the future. Wild.
His business hinged on the fact that feds did not have access. Imagine how popular Snapchat would be if it's users found out Snaps weren't deleted forever instead save and archived on a server waiting for an authority or someone with enough to access due to special circumstances.
@ExileXCross now imagine that IS what happens & it's just a well kept secret. Look at those encryption message apps. They were supposed to be completely secure but it turns out the feds could access them.
Now they're on all phones and Smart electronic devices... TV's, stereos,PCs,ovens, refrigerators, meters, ear buds etc etc
14:46 gpu accerelation
57 views in a minute? bro fell off
5:14 you wild for saying about like that, I’m not even Canadian. 😂
This story would make a pretty good movie
Idk if you realized it but when you said PGP is “pretty good” you cracked me up because PGP literally stands for pretty Good Privacy 😂
"officials flew up to vancouver" HOW DARE YOU
The funniest thing about all those encrypted phones is that even an iPhone with Whatsapp installed is probably always a safer option
Seems like a 4th Amendment issue here. Booyah at 24:15...
At 28:00, you said Australia, but you put the New Zealand flag on-screen, bro; it is offensive to do that to us Aussies and Kiwis. Please fix it; thank you.
"the FBI had to plant a mole to become Hansen's right hand man" (picture shows left hand)
No group or person should have this kind of power....this is sickening
Laughs nervously in graphine OS 😂
Joseph does amazing work.