That guy should know better, and it proves the elitism of British Cycling when they complain that you swore at an official, who was not dressed as an official, and they thought they could discipline you even though you had video evidence. Glad you made this available for the public to see.
The official is wearing a UCI uniform, the dark blue top and bright beige trousers are very different to the BC uniform but well known. Regardless it's inexplicable what the man was doing in the road.
@@ColinOlden1 but if an official is stepping out he should have some high vi's on his upper body, if British cycling think those colours are suitable they are very nieve indeed. I think a Norwegian cyclist unfortunatly died recently in a race, cycling has a lot of dangers and every governing body upto and including the uni should do evertpything fees able to limit any risks to cyclists.
@@thorgrimb2416 Yes I agree totally, I work in mountain bike racing at national and international level as a race director ( I never work at road races) . At national level it has been common for the officials to not wear any marking other than their uniform but at World cup level all the officials wear bibs which clearly mark who people are. It is very strange indeed that this commissaire is out in the course but then compared to mountain biking road racing is just strange altogether.
@@ColinOlden1 What springs to mind is that outfit could easily be what any well-dressed spectator might wear. May be natty for other situations but not when trying to officiate roadside.
I always wonder how certain officials would get on in areas of England or the other nations where "swearing" is part of the local vernacular, I would try the predujust card first lol, would send the complainant over the top with rage... would be fun though! Where I am from we use the worst of words to describe the best of friends. If I'm being nice to you I most likely don't like u 😂
Sounds very European. There was a girl in Germany talked shit about her rapist online and got in more legal trouble than her rapist did. Make that make sense.
mate he is not the type of person to have an ego. Standard british cycling rules, usually at the start of the race they will say no language as it can damage the publics view of us especially in a town centre crit. He did it by the book.
@@cornishalps9870 well, he wasnt wearing hi vis or indeed the colours of his colleagues. He stood in the middle of the road in a dangerous position. Reporting the swearing may have been 'by the book' - but were his other actions?
@@cornishalps9870 It's also standard rule to not be in the middle of the road. If the cyclist would hit the dude both of them can break bones and stuff. Language is justified IMHO. GTFO the race track.
Shouting at someone was the correct response. We use expletives to drive the message so although in hindsight you wished you hadn't it is quite natural and normal.
I was in your group and remember someone being in the road like that and thinking what on earth are they doing? No way you should have had a phone call! You did nothing wrong.
@@Jonny_Kennedy Well, if you think about it though, it may be true. Imagine riders being in front of you, and they hear you shouting, they could have thought that you shouted at a different rider...
@@Jonny_Kennedy Since when have cyclists NOT sworn at errant people in the road! The only way I can believe anyone from that group complained about another cyclist swearing is if the commissaire is a personal friend and it's a schoolboy attempt at a set-up. Seriously, what should have happened is that the official should have jotted down your race number and then reached out to *_apologise to you!!!_* . I hope that individual either reads these comments or has the sentiments expressed in them relayed to him somehow, then after the fact perhaps he'll have the grace to do the right thing.
He had absolutely ZERO reason to be in the middle of the road! Official or not. Cursing at someone who can potentially cause serious injury, is not something you should have to apologize for. Good thing you had your camera on.
In the heat of the moment and the ‘official’ being in a position that could have caused a nasty accident I’m not surprised you swore at him. He’s the idiot in this situation and needs to apologize to you.
I believe your instruction to the person on the course was perfectly justified as well as your quick identification given how little time there was to react.
F That!!! It doesn't matter how you express yourself, you got your point across. He was just mad because you put him in his place, and I promise he will never do that again since you made him feel a bit silly. LOL, Great Video My Brother!!
I agree with you completely. He should not have been there and risked causing an accident and you were justified in shouting at him to get out the way. You should put a counter complaint in for him.
Colourful language absolutely justified for his actions, counter complaint justified against his arrogance. The comments section alone speaks volumes as to the backing you have in agreement as to how dangerous his actions were, regardless of his feelings of entitlement.
@@Jonny_Kennedymake the counter complaint for if you don't then this egotistical idiot will feel he's quite justified in his stupid behaviour. We all know what these guys are like so he needs bringing down a peg or two and realise safety before ego.
Absolutely put in a complaint against him. He created a dangerous situation and needs to realize that he was in the wrong. I would suggest that an apology should be forthcoming from this official. Based on the absurd decision to step out into the road and then to lodge a complaint afterward, it is clear that the man thinks he is above reproach.
Absolutely loved your camera eye view with speed, heart rate and wattage. As for the nimrod "official", he was obviously in the wrong. Good on you for offering clear instructions for him to follow.
That is very unfair- why he thought he should step out into the road to do that is beyond me. Having raced Ilkley myself, you still go very fast up that hill and there’s actually a decent risk of crashing on it due to riders fatiguing while others are attacking- let alone when someone is standing on the circuit itself! If the commissaries want to communicate with a rider, they ought to use a whiteboard.
Commissaires are trained officials who volunteer their time to ensure cycling competition is safe and fair. Commissaires are present in all levels of racing and operate in all racing disciplines . This one needs to go back to school then !
you are spot on . swearing was just heat of the moment and nobody else would have done different . why was he in the road without HV . i would feel upset if it goes further but so right to have a camera . top effort and keep the faith . we are all with you x
You have said everything: you agree that you shouldn't have sworn, and have apologised, rightly. That should be an end to that issue. However, it's this official is the one who should be disciplined because he has put several people, including himself, in real danger of serious injury.
Agree with everyone who supported you! 886 W and over 175bpm - no one should step onto the course!! Fuck em (as you originally and quite rightly said)..
@@annoyingbstard9407He is not a pedestrian have you not listened to the video 🤔he's a race official who thinks everything is about himself and a few jumped up officials
My first criterium we had that lap rule too. We got pulled out before we got lapped and we had just started working in a small group. I was a little disappointed, this back in 1988. Thanks for sharing
You are 100% right (don't worry about the swearing, it's impossible to be polite, when faced with a complete W8nk3R standing directly in front of you), the officials in cycling these days are as clueless as our politicians. I've always thought the beige uci trousers very suspect indeed!
I was sat on the pavement at the top of the bank taking photographs and couldn't believe when he walked in front of us then proceeded to stand there so close to the cyclists and there was a couple of close calls and in the end we shouted at him to move never seen anything like it 😮
Very dangerous, he should not have been in the road. The video is great though! Really captures the intensity of bike racing! Shows how there is little to no room for error in any way. Regardless of how you placed with the other riders, I think you rode great!
“High up official”, aka above the law when he thinks he can get away with it, with the backing of those with the same opinion. Regardless of how dangerous their arrogant actions. Been there in different scenarios. What a difference clear footage makes 👍
A friend of mine suffered a back injury that caused him lifelong issues after someone stepped out in front of him while he was off the front in a crit. Swearing may not be “nice”, but it’s an instinctive reaction when someone does something as stupid and dangerous as this. Even if his argument is that he was aware of the riders and had his withdrawal route planned, you and the other riders had no way of knowing what he was playing at.
I have never been even a thousandth of the cyclists you guys are, but, I am a fan of cycling, I love watching the Grand Tours and my wife and neighbours know when their is a mountain stage from the profanities that are directed at the numpties who choke the roads. You stand at the side of the road and cheer on your favourite, hopefully at the front, and don't hinder them. The official should a) have had a hi-vis on and b) had a flag, like the Marshall in motor racing, I would suggest blue, to signal "You are about to be lapped, move to the slower part of the route".
If you look to the right, behind the official, there is a dog on a leash, and swearing in front of the dog can harm its feelings. The dog might need counseling after this ordeal. You should have said "Hello sir thank you for standing in the road with your whistle in a very dangerous manner, can you please just step back up onto the curb and off the course! And please sir when you step back do not step on the Dog right behind you." That is the way you go about these things, not swearing!
Having officiated races myself, I would have seen this as a learning moment for the commissar. First lesson is obviously that it should be 100% clear that he is a race official. Second is that instead of making the race safer stepping out like that made the race less safe. As for the swearing, that's a bit difficult to judge, I have zero problems with the swearing in and by itself, and I always keep in mind that an athlete pumped up on adrenaline is a different beast than their regular being. My considerations would be if they were undermining the respect for the race rules and/or officials. Keeping in mind that in a situation with 2 people involved, there is usually 3 truths to it. Two subjective and one objective. The commissar may have seen things very differently. This may have been a case where he didn't realize he was causing the problem, and it seems reasonable for this to go away.
People will swear in life-threaning situations, which is what this idiot official created. He could easily have caused a collision with his behaviour. When you have 1-2 seconds to instruct someone to get out of the way, aggressive tones and profanity can help accelerate that.
@@LeafBurrower I wouldn't nitpick that word. Think of it as the idealized situation description, two people have their own experiences, trying to tell what actually happened. "The objective truth" is what actually happened from a completely neutral vantage point. A camera could potentially be such a neutral vantage point, but that only picks up parts of the situation, so it's not necessarily the whole truth.
@@tomfredrikblenning9054 It's a classical philosophical question whether there is such a thing as objective truth, is it not? Per Aristotle it boils down to being all about context, and in this case all we can judge it on is the camera evidence and empirical knowledge of how races are organised plus received cycle race etiquette. Add to that a touch of what we know about bureacratic and class indignance and you have a pretty good sense of what is being brought to our attention here. Of course, we haven't heard from the 'other side', but simply based on what we can see in this video the man was standing in the middle of the road while cyclists, clearly the priority road users in this instance, were barrelling towards him at a velocity that could injure him, and probably many of them, too. The commissaire had indeed behaved like a prink, and he should have got out of the fcuking road promptly, no? So the shout, however ill-tempered, was a pointed fair warning for him to move _sharpish_ , and not to alarm the cyclists again. The commissaire should apologise.
I think you're 100% in the right mate, he could've caused a pretty serious accident by doing that, unacceptable of an official. I hate that we likely have to buy front and rear cameras for safety, we should be able to choose low-to-no tech. Much love from New Zealand.
That dude is out of his mind jumping in front of people racing, super dangerous....I'd be sending this clip to everyone that was trying to give you trouble and their higher ups as well.
I know wearing a high-viz tabard would have spoilt his 'gentleman at Henley Regatta' vibes, but he was clearly in the wrong. Also, considering the mental and physical stress you were under, it's absolutely no wonder you swore (I've heard much worse coming out the mouths of children on public transport too). Aside from the drama, it's a fantastic video and really captures the chaos of a race!
@@TheSaturnV Cool? In that get-up? Cardboard cut-out "casual county"? A pound store chav is cooler than that! A hi-viz vest would've made him look less of a _"merchant banker"_ .
Commissaires are issued with a standard (not hivis, all mine were grey) uniform shirt, fleece and raincoat, which riders should be able to recognise. In a few years on the job only once was it replaced by kit provided by an event sponsor (the Lincoln GP one year). I don't recognise what this bloke is wearing at all, although I resigned my commission a couple of years ago so they might have changed the design I guess.
It doesn't matter who he is, he shouldn't be in the road. You had every right to use that part of the road where he was standing. I've raced for many years and never ever seen an official do that.
The swearing is the only thing the race official had to work with (and very weak at that) so he used it to shine the light away from his own misdoing. It's the ole "best defense is a good offense". Clearly he should be reprimanded for such dangerous actions and poor judgement to have the federation call you out. It's good to hear the "Authorities" softened their position after seeing the video. Does anyone know if this race official received consequences? The video, and all supporting comments in this post, should be used in the training of officials. Johnny K., Thanks for having the guts to post this.
It's amazing your wattage was well over 800, peaking at over 900 after all that riding! Well done on your race. That guy looked in the wrong to me, causing a serious hazard to others. Who wouldn't be annoyed at that! Road racing looks a bit nuts too me. I'll stick to Zwift racing over winter.
What's a few choice words in the heat of the moment when facing danger? You could have broke bones there in a fall or swerved into the crowd. He put you in a dangerous position through his own actions. That he is an official is crazy. That he is high up an abused his power to discipline you is nuts. It is him who clearly needs to be disciplined. Thanks for shaming them with this video. Will they take action - as a result of the publicity - or are they banding round his guy bc is high up and they are his friends?
Having just 'recovered" from a low speed but very painful off, (mountain bike) I'm with the racer on this one. The bloke had no business being in the road like that, risking a major incident and possible severe injury to the riders. Given they were under the advice of 'pull out when lapped' the 'official' should not be trying to change the rules mid race if indeed he was telling them to move over. Whilst no-one likes being sworn at, he should not have been surprised given the circumstances. The rider should in no way be penalised for this, especially given he apologised for his language. The official should also apologise for unnecessarily causing the incident in the first place. For transparency, I race motorcycles not bicycles but if anyone stood on our tracks mid race outside of emergency action, they would be looking at criminal charges.
Yeah, I'm afraid it is an out-dated practice for a plain-clothes commissar to stride into the center of the peloton and whisper instructions to the group leader's ear during crits. If I recall correctly, handing out leaflets was the next step in the evolution of the sport.
Yep totally agree, he should not have been in the road at all, even more so without some kind of official hi viz top on. If there was a chance you'd be lapped then the leading motorcycle would give you plenty of warning anyway. He didn't need to stick his oar in. And as for swearing I thought you were quite restrained, considering the dangerous act he committed.😂
It says it all about this "official" when you said he's a high up in British Cycling, clearly he thinks that he's above the common plebs and doesn't need to wear high vis. Glad you had the camera to show who was actually in the wrong.
Always be the first to complain, it puts them on the defensive. So next time this happens, file whatever formal complaint you can stating there was a dangerous action on the course by a member of the public. It would have forced them to say "oh it was our official, who wasn't wearing any uniform, but you shouldn't cuss" and then you can give the good reply "I had a safety concern that could have caused injury and you're worried about my language?"
No apologies needed on your part: it’s a race, adrenaline is running high, competition is intense and feelings are running high and so it’s no place for anyone - especially not a commissaire - to be breaking with safety procedures in such a flagrant way. He’s representing a serious and immediate risk to everyone around you on the road and it was absolutely right to tell him in no uncertain terms to remember the danger he presented and to get back behind barriers or out of the way. Nobody but him will have had their feelings hurt: anyone there with kids will understand the conditions you’re racing under.
I was involved, through friends, in motorcycle competitions in the 70s-90s. I found the behaviour of the officials to be almost like the staff of a grammar school, that the pupils had to blindly respect and, almost, kowtow to them. I raced in Germany in the early 80s and the whole attitude was different.
I think you should have pushed for the hearing in any case. Rank or no, he did not withdraw from out of your path until you told him to. He had no right to be in the road and perhaps should be under investigation himself for endangering the riders by his action. As a senior official he has failed in his duty of care endangering the riders well being. Further I think the investigation should include whether he was attempting to influence the race unfairly because doesn't the positioning impact on season rankings?
I concur; he looked like a coach doing his thing. The pr*ck should be dressed accordingly. This ‘club’ heirachy is yawn-worthy and long past it’s sell-by date.
I think your description of him when you shouted to get out the road was quite accurate and reserved. I would have done the same if not worse. He should be disciplined and in fact demoted.
Who lapped you? That's what I want to know. Should be tested. What length was the course and what was your average speed? How many metres of elevation?
It’s the @insta360 x4. I bought a small lightweight tripod plate that had the correct spacing for the computer mount under the canyon handlebars. Works great.
NTA - He "should" have been more visible (hi vis) at an appropriate spot (side/finish line/pits) and possibly using flags to wave/pull out riders (former racer/organiser here, but slightly rusty on regs! - it's been a few years!)
Yip camera is very important to prevent lying officials for trying to impose their over inflated view of the world. I hope he has been given a warning and you have received an apology
What point is there in stepping in the middle of the track and giving instructions to a single rider anyway? If you need to move over how is anyone besides the person he talked to supposed to know that? Hold up a sign or something so that everyone knows what to do.
I'll be honest a lot of cyclists on roads actually piss me off as they think the roads are there for just them but then play victim when something happens because they drive dangerously, HOWEVER I do watch cycling and am interested but I have had some surgery which does not permit me to participate. But the effort some of you put in is crazy. And that pompous official actually proves my point a bit about some cyclists (I think you know what I mean) even though you are a good cyclist, that some think the some think they own the roads, he was out of order and could have spoilt the whole race by causing a collision. Good for you for recording it. CRACKING EFFORT BY THE WAY 👍👍
That was odd. As you said, you'd expect an official to be easily identifiable as such. Even then, you wouldn't expect to see them doing something like that. Just out of interest, what camera are you using - very clear footage.
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That guy should know better, and it proves the elitism of British Cycling when they complain that you swore at an official, who was not dressed as an official, and they thought they could discipline you even though you had video evidence. Glad you made this available for the public to see.
The official is wearing a UCI uniform, the dark blue top and bright beige trousers are very different to the BC uniform but well known. Regardless it's inexplicable what the man was doing in the road.
@@ColinOlden1 but if an official is stepping out he should have some high vi's on his upper body, if British cycling think those colours are suitable they are very nieve indeed.
I think a Norwegian cyclist unfortunatly died recently in a race, cycling has a lot of dangers and every governing body upto and including the uni should do evertpything fees able to limit any risks to cyclists.
@@thorgrimb2416 Yes I agree totally, I work in mountain bike racing at national and international level as a race director ( I never work at road races) . At national level it has been common for the officials to not wear any marking other than their uniform but at World cup level all the officials wear bibs which clearly mark who people are. It is very strange indeed that this commissaire is out in the course but then compared to mountain biking road racing is just strange altogether.
i would have told them, next time, i kick his sorry arse 😆
@@ColinOlden1 What springs to mind is that outfit could easily be what any well-dressed spectator might wear. May be natty for other situations but not when trying to officiate roadside.
He's the one who should be disciplined.
agreed!
he's also the one who should be apologizing!
Absolutely! I refuse debates on that!
England: Swearing is a bigger deal than stepping in front of a big group of riders with no hi-vis
Today not only in Enland.
I always wonder how certain officials would get on in areas of England or the other nations where "swearing" is part of the local vernacular, I would try the predujust card first lol, would send the complainant over the top with rage... would be fun though! Where I am from we use the worst of words to describe the best of friends. If I'm being nice to you I most likely don't like u 😂
@@sebastianschuh6808 wheres Enland though? When I spun the globe I couldnt find it!
Also today in England. If you swear, fair game if a driver kills you. If they succeed they can just lie and say you did!
Sounds very European. There was a girl in Germany talked shit about her rapist online and got in more legal trouble than her rapist did. Make that make sense.
Think you bruised his ego, shame he couldn’t admit fault, small man.
Hard not to swear when you’re at threshold and someone stands in your way!
Threshold pah, zone 2 for me.
mate he is not the type of person to have an ego. Standard british cycling rules, usually at the start of the race they will say no language as it can damage the publics view of us especially in a town centre crit. He did it by the book.
@@cornishalps9870 well, he wasnt wearing hi vis or indeed the colours of his colleagues. He stood in the middle of the road in a dangerous position. Reporting the swearing may have been 'by the book' - but were his other actions?
@@cornishalps9870 It's also standard rule to not be in the middle of the road. If the cyclist would hit the dude both of them can break bones and stuff. Language is justified IMHO. GTFO the race track.
@@cornishalps9870 some of the worst reasoning I've seen since biden tried to convince everyone he can still run for president
That "official" is indeed a prick and a massive one at that to have the cheek to complain.
prickerty prick prick
This guy could have sent multiple athletes to hospital. Getting cursed at is literally the lightest reprisal he could ask for.
Shouting at someone was the correct response. We use expletives to drive the message so although in hindsight you wished you hadn't it is quite natural and normal.
Shouting abuse is certainly the usual response.
...from cyclists.
@@tooleyheadbang4239 go on then send us all the recordings of you swearing at people in your car
@@MarmiteFerret ?
@@tooleyheadbang4239 He is, subtly, pointing out that use an ah soul!!
@@tooleyheadbang4239this is a race m8 watch f1 for car drivers shouting and swearing for the smallest thing
The fact that he is 'high up' in British Cycling should be enough to tell all.
Glad I let my membership lapse and quit racing
I was in your group and remember someone being in the road like that and thinking what on earth are they doing? No way you should have had a phone call! You did nothing wrong.
I was told by BC that some riders in our group had lodge complaints about me shouting/swearing. I didn’t think that would be true.
@@Jonny_Kennedy if they did then that’s sad!! I didn’t hear any swearing anyway!
@@Jonny_Kennedy Well, if you think about it though, it may be true. Imagine riders being in front of you, and they hear you shouting, they could have thought that you shouted at a different rider...
@@lukenfoci Get off the road? I don't think so.
@@Jonny_Kennedy Since when have cyclists NOT sworn at errant people in the road! The only way I can believe anyone from that group complained about another cyclist swearing is if the commissaire is a personal friend and it's a schoolboy attempt at a set-up. Seriously, what should have happened is that the official should have jotted down your race number and then reached out to *_apologise to you!!!_* . I hope that individual either reads these comments or has the sentiments expressed in them relayed to him somehow, then after the fact perhaps he'll have the grace to do the right thing.
Dangerous action by the race official at *08:40* in the video. He needs to be disciplined.
Totally agree @andykennedy5951, why aren’t officials wearing hi-vis, surely should be mandate.
Offical should just have said: "sorry mate, I was a dumbfuck." Now that he escalated he should indeed be disciplined.
If you use : instead of a period the time becomes clickable. 8:40
@@madmax2069 great advice, sorted.
He needs to be punished 😈
He had absolutely ZERO reason to be in the middle of the road! Official or not. Cursing at someone who can potentially cause serious injury, is not something you should have to apologize for. Good thing you had your camera on.
100% agreement
In the heat of the moment and the ‘official’ being in a position that could have caused a nasty accident I’m not surprised you swore at him. He’s the idiot in this situation and needs to apologize to you.
I believe your instruction to the person on the course was perfectly justified as well as your quick identification given how little time there was to react.
F That!!! It doesn't matter how you express yourself, you got your point across. He was just mad because you put him in his place, and I promise he will never do that again since you made him feel a bit silly. LOL, Great Video My Brother!!
You had every right to shout as you did
Shouting is fine. Swearing is not. Always been the same at cycling events. Dunno what the commissaire thought he was doing.
I agree with you completely.
He should not have been there and risked causing an accident and you were justified in shouting at him to get out the way. You should put a counter complaint in for him.
I thought about it… decided making the video was a better way of complaining
Colourful language absolutely justified for his actions, counter complaint justified against his arrogance.
The comments section alone speaks volumes as to the backing you have in agreement as to how dangerous his actions were, regardless of his feelings of entitlement.
@@Jonny_Kennedymake the counter complaint for if you don't then this egotistical idiot will feel he's quite justified in his stupid behaviour. We all know what these guys are like so he needs bringing down a peg or two and realise safety before ego.
Absolutely put in a complaint against him. He created a dangerous situation and needs to realize that he was in the wrong. I would suggest that an apology should be forthcoming from this official. Based on the absurd decision to step out into the road and then to lodge a complaint afterward, it is clear that the man thinks he is above reproach.
@@Jonny_Kennedy Put in an official complaint, he could do it again and cause serious injuries.
Absolutely loved your camera eye view with speed, heart rate and wattage. As for the nimrod "official", he was obviously in the wrong. Good on you for offering clear instructions for him to follow.
That is very unfair- why he thought he should step out into the road to do that is beyond me. Having raced Ilkley myself, you still go very fast up that hill and there’s actually a decent risk of crashing on it due to riders fatiguing while others are attacking- let alone when someone is standing on the circuit itself! If the commissaries want to communicate with a rider, they ought to use a whiteboard.
Using a whiteboard would take intelligence on someone's part, wouldn't it? Oops, non of that seems to be on tap!
Or use a freaking radio, not that hard.
“Get out of the fucking road, prick!” Priceless! Spot on reaction 😅
so glad you had a camera. was great to watch it all too.
Commissaires are trained officials who volunteer their time to ensure cycling competition is safe and fair. Commissaires are present in all levels of racing and operate in all racing disciplines . This one needs to go back to school then !
you are spot on . swearing was just heat of the moment and nobody else would have done different . why was he in the road without HV . i would feel upset if it goes further but so right to have a camera . top effort and keep the faith . we are all with you x
The craziest part is that this guy can say anything at all while putting down 1000 watts.
Amateurs should be tested. We all know they're on the sauce.
You have said everything: you agree that you shouldn't have sworn, and have apologised, rightly. That should be an end to that issue. However, it's this official is the one who should be disciplined because he has put several people, including himself, in real danger of serious injury.
Putting aside stool sample there, I'm impressed at your expletive abilities at 930 watts. Bravo!
It doesn't matter who he is. You did the right thing calling him out.
Agree with everyone who supported you! 886 W and over 175bpm - no one should step onto the course!! Fuck em (as you originally and quite rightly said)..
official should be disciplined. He's not above the rules, I'm sure there's rules and behaviors he need to follow.
He’s a pedestrian. How are you planning on disciplining him? Banning him from walking?
The official was a full weight idiot.
@@annoyingbstard9407He is not a pedestrian have you not listened to the video 🤔he's a race official who thinks everything is about himself and a few jumped up officials
@@anthonylynn1969 Pedestrian…A person who is walking. Hope that helps.
@@annoyingbstard9407 No, that doesn't help. He's an official; he can be disciplined.
My first criterium we had that lap rule too. We got pulled out before we got lapped and we had just started working in a small group. I was a little disappointed, this back in 1988.
Thanks for sharing
You are 100% right (don't worry about the swearing, it's impossible to be polite, when faced with a complete W8nk3R standing directly in front of you), the officials in cycling these days are as clueless as our politicians.
I've always thought the beige uci trousers very suspect indeed!
965 watts!! Wow. I can’t believe you can put out that power and speak at all. They should give you a prize.
Complete power flex by the official...looking at the comments boy that has backfired! He's in the middle of the road! 100% P***K!
I was sat on the pavement at the top of the bank taking photographs and couldn't believe when he walked in front of us then proceeded to stand there so close to the cyclists and there was a couple of close calls and in the end we shouted at him to move never seen anything like it 😮
Wow! Good to hear it from your side
Very dangerous, he should not have been in the road. The video is great though! Really captures the intensity of bike racing! Shows how there is little to no room for error in any way. Regardless of how you placed with the other riders, I think you rode great!
He created dangerous situation. You were in a heat of race. Even if you may be questioned about swearing, the fault was his.
“High up official”, aka above the law when he thinks he can get away with it, with the backing of those with the same opinion. Regardless of how dangerous their arrogant actions.
Been there in different scenarios.
What a difference clear footage makes 👍
It seems he did get away with it……
The official should have had a high viz on. You should DEFINATELY NOT have had to apologise to that man. We are with you.
A friend of mine suffered a back injury that caused him lifelong issues after someone stepped out in front of him while he was off the front in a crit. Swearing may not be “nice”, but it’s an instinctive reaction when someone does something as stupid and dangerous as this. Even if his argument is that he was aware of the riders and had his withdrawal route planned, you and the other riders had no way of knowing what he was playing at.
You should thank him for the adrenaline boost. Overtook 7 cyclists before the next corner 100m away from him 😂
What was he thinking!!!. Put in a counter claim he could have been any nutter!!!
You did a great job. Thank you for the video
ANYONE that slows or negatively affects a competitor during a marathon, race, event or any other that’s not also actively in the race is in the wrong.
I have never been even a thousandth of the cyclists you guys are, but, I am a fan of cycling, I love watching the Grand Tours and my wife and neighbours know when their is a mountain stage from the profanities that are directed at the numpties who choke the roads. You stand at the side of the road and cheer on your favourite, hopefully at the front, and don't hinder them.
The official should a) have had a hi-vis on and b) had a flag, like the Marshall in motor racing, I would suggest blue, to signal "You are about to be lapped, move to the slower part of the route".
You are wise, and your lessons learned seem right on. Life is a challenge.
To be fair your description of this chap seemed accurate in the circumstances.
If you look to the right, behind the official, there is a dog on a leash, and swearing in front of the dog can harm its feelings. The dog might need counseling after this ordeal. You should have said "Hello sir thank you for standing in the road with your whistle in a very dangerous manner, can you please just step back up onto the curb and off the course! And please sir when you step back do not step on the Dog right behind you." That is the way you go about these things, not swearing!
I will try and remember that for next time! 🤣
Furthermore, had the pup shat the sidewalk it would have been this rider's responsibility for all cleaning fees. 🙃
It seems there was a mix-up: it turns out the official should have been on a leash instead of the dog
Having officiated races myself, I would have seen this as a learning moment for the commissar. First lesson is obviously that it should be 100% clear that he is a race official. Second is that instead of making the race safer stepping out like that made the race less safe. As for the swearing, that's a bit difficult to judge, I have zero problems with the swearing in and by itself, and I always keep in mind that an athlete pumped up on adrenaline is a different beast than their regular being. My considerations would be if they were undermining the respect for the race rules and/or officials. Keeping in mind that in a situation with 2 people involved, there is usually 3 truths to it. Two subjective and one objective. The commissar may have seen things very differently. This may have been a case where he didn't realize he was causing the problem, and it seems reasonable for this to go away.
People will swear in life-threaning situations, which is what this idiot official created. He could easily have caused a collision with his behaviour. When you have 1-2 seconds to instruct someone to get out of the way, aggressive tones and profanity can help accelerate that.
Who's judging the "objective truth"? Isn't their truth "subjective"?
@@LeafBurrower I wouldn't nitpick that word. Think of it as the idealized situation description, two people have their own experiences, trying to tell what actually happened. "The objective truth" is what actually happened from a completely neutral vantage point. A camera could potentially be such a neutral vantage point, but that only picks up parts of the situation, so it's not necessarily the whole truth.
@@tomfredrikblenning9054 It's a classical philosophical question whether there is such a thing as objective truth, is it not? Per Aristotle it boils down to being all about context, and in this case all we can judge it on is the camera evidence and empirical knowledge of how races are organised plus received cycle race etiquette. Add to that a touch of what we know about bureacratic and class indignance and you have a pretty good sense of what is being brought to our attention here. Of course, we haven't heard from the 'other side', but simply based on what we can see in this video the man was standing in the middle of the road while cyclists, clearly the priority road users in this instance, were barrelling towards him at a velocity that could injure him, and probably many of them, too. The commissaire had indeed behaved like a prink, and he should have got out of the fcuking road promptly, no? So the shout, however ill-tempered, was a pointed fair warning for him to move _sharpish_ , and not to alarm the cyclists again. The commissaire should apologise.
@@tomfredrikblenning9054 Check out Akira Kurosawa's 1950 masterpiece "Rashomon" if you're confident in your "objective truth" thesis.
I think you're 100% in the right mate, he could've caused a pretty serious accident by doing that, unacceptable of an official. I hate that we likely have to buy front and rear cameras for safety, we should be able to choose low-to-no tech. Much love from New Zealand.
Going that fast fella and you get lapped is a suprise
Great footage from your bike
You acted correctly. There's a place for swearing, and that was one of them.
That dude is out of his mind jumping in front of people racing, super dangerous....I'd be sending this clip to everyone that was trying to give you trouble and their higher ups as well.
Good Christ why oh why do some folks think its in any way acceptable to have their officials off the lead at a crit ?
I know wearing a high-viz tabard would have spoilt his 'gentleman at Henley Regatta' vibes, but he was clearly in the wrong. Also, considering the mental and physical stress you were under, it's absolutely no wonder you swore (I've heard much worse coming out the mouths of children on public transport too).
Aside from the drama, it's a fantastic video and really captures the chaos of a race!
Agreed, he thought he was too cool for any silly bright orange and yellow attire.
@@TheSaturnV Cool? In that get-up? Cardboard cut-out "casual county"? A pound store chav is cooler than that! A hi-viz vest would've made him look less of a _"merchant banker"_ .
Commissaires are issued with a standard (not hivis, all mine were grey) uniform shirt, fleece and raincoat, which riders should be able to recognise. In a few years on the job only once was it replaced by kit provided by an event sponsor (the Lincoln GP one year). I don't recognise what this bloke is wearing at all, although I resigned my commission a couple of years ago so they might have changed the design I guess.
Start watching at 8:40 … No need to apologize for swearing imho.
It doesn't matter who he is, he shouldn't be in the road. You had every right to use that part of the road where he was standing. I've raced for many years and never ever seen an official do that.
The swearing is the only thing the race official had to work with (and very weak at that) so he used it to shine the light away from his own misdoing. It's the ole "best defense is a good offense". Clearly he should be reprimanded for such dangerous actions and poor judgement to have the federation call you out. It's good to hear the "Authorities" softened their position after seeing the video. Does anyone know if this race official received consequences? The video, and all supporting comments in this post, should be used in the training of officials. Johnny K., Thanks for having the guts to post this.
cool video regardless of the unofficial official. thanks for sharing...now i watch the tour
Despite the drama. Great footage 👍
More than any I’m impressed your front wheel didn’t buckle when you hit that barrier.
It's amazing your wattage was well over 800, peaking at over 900 after all that riding! Well done on your race. That guy looked in the wrong to me, causing a serious hazard to others. Who wouldn't be annoyed at that! Road racing looks a bit nuts too me. I'll stick to Zwift racing over winter.
You were right on all counts
What's a few choice words in the heat of the moment when facing danger? You could have broke bones there in a fall or swerved into the crowd. He put you in a dangerous position through his own actions. That he is an official is crazy. That he is high up an abused his power to discipline you is nuts. It is him who clearly needs to be disciplined. Thanks for shaming them with this video. Will they take action - as a result of the publicity - or are they banding round his guy bc is high up and they are his friends?
I really thought you were going to have to run into him. Quick thinking on your part.
Having just 'recovered" from a low speed but very painful off, (mountain bike) I'm with the racer on this one. The bloke had no business being in the road like that, risking a major incident and possible severe injury to the riders. Given they were under the advice of 'pull out when lapped' the 'official' should not be trying to change the rules mid race if indeed he was telling them to move over. Whilst no-one likes being sworn at, he should not have been surprised given the circumstances. The rider should in no way be penalised for this, especially given he apologised for his language. The official should also apologise for unnecessarily causing the incident in the first place. For transparency, I race motorcycles not bicycles but if anyone stood on our tracks mid race outside of emergency action, they would be looking at criminal charges.
i would've been dropped in a heartbeat in this race. MY GOODNESS WERE THOSE NUMBERS CRAZY!
Yeah, I'm afraid it is an out-dated practice for a plain-clothes commissar to stride into the center of the peloton and whisper instructions to the group leader's ear during crits. If I recall correctly, handing out leaflets was the next step in the evolution of the sport.
Yep totally agree, he should not have been in the road at all, even more so without some kind of official hi viz top on. If there was a chance you'd be lapped then the leading motorcycle would give you plenty of warning anyway. He didn't need to stick his oar in. And as for swearing I thought you were quite restrained, considering the dangerous act he committed.😂
It says it all about this "official" when you said he's a high up in British Cycling, clearly he thinks that he's above the common plebs and doesn't need to wear high vis. Glad you had the camera to show who was actually in the wrong.
Always be the first to complain, it puts them on the defensive. So next time this happens, file whatever formal complaint you can stating there was a dangerous action on the course by a member of the public. It would have forced them to say "oh it was our official, who wasn't wearing any uniform, but you shouldn't cuss" and then you can give the good reply "I had a safety concern that could have caused injury and you're worried about my language?"
No apologies needed on your part: it’s a race, adrenaline is running high, competition is intense and feelings are running high and so it’s no place for anyone - especially not a commissaire - to be breaking with safety procedures in such a flagrant way. He’s representing a serious and immediate risk to everyone around you on the road and it was absolutely right to tell him in no uncertain terms to remember the danger he presented and to get back behind barriers or out of the way. Nobody but him will have had their feelings hurt: anyone there with kids will understand the conditions you’re racing under.
I was involved, through friends, in motorcycle competitions in the 70s-90s. I found the behaviour of the officials to be almost like the staff of a grammar school, that the pupils had to blindly respect and, almost, kowtow to them. I raced in Germany in the early 80s and the whole attitude was different.
I think you should have pushed for the hearing in any case. Rank or no, he did not withdraw from out of your path until you told him to. He had no right to be in the road and perhaps should be under investigation himself for endangering the riders by his action. As a senior official he has failed in his duty of care endangering the riders well being. Further I think the investigation should include whether he was attempting to influence the race unfairly because doesn't the positioning impact on season rankings?
Do you have an update? Did anything happen later?
Good to see you weren't put off by the Dacre road race. You pick the hilly ones!
Ha yes, searching out the flat ones now!
It shouldn't matter who he is. He is in a dangerous position in the middle of the race
Don't let this official back into the races!
What's with the weird front tire?
I concur; he looked like a coach doing his thing. The pr*ck should be dressed accordingly. This ‘club’ heirachy is yawn-worthy and long past it’s sell-by date.
The brightest thing about this Commissaire was his black jacket.
I think your description of him when you shouted to get out the road was quite accurate and reserved. I would have done the same if not worse. He should be disciplined and in fact demoted.
I think you called it correctly. Anyone in his position should know better and at the very least should be wearing high viz.
Mad how it's just all in from the get go
Coca is a helluva drug.
What camera you using to be able to display all this
Who lapped you? That's what I want to know. Should be tested. What length was the course and what was your average speed? How many metres of elevation?
He’s just a little man mad for getting justly yelled at.
Hey which camera do you use and how did you attach it?
It’s the @insta360 x4. I bought a small lightweight tripod plate that had the correct spacing for the computer mount under the canyon handlebars. Works great.
NTA - He "should" have been more visible (hi vis) at an appropriate spot (side/finish line/pits) and possibly using flags to wave/pull out riders (former racer/organiser here, but slightly rusty on regs! - it's been a few years!)
Yip camera is very important to prevent lying officials for trying to impose their over inflated view of the world. I hope he has been given a warning and you have received an apology
Surely this official should have had a hi-vis and a megaphone, to relay orders from the sidelines?
“Oi mate, yew got a loicense for that camera there!” 😂
What soft are you use to generate data overlay ?
It’s a computer app called “telemetry overlay”
How do you get that real time data onto the video timeline?
I use an app called 'Telemetry Overlay'
bro was soo filled with rage that some guy was in the middle of the road that his rage propelled him to the front of the group xD
What make camera are you using? Thank you in advance.
Insta 360 x4
What’s the camera and how do you do that overlay? Just curious!
It’s the @insta360 x4 and use an app called ‘telemetry overlay’ for the data
What point is there in stepping in the middle of the track and giving instructions to a single rider anyway? If you need to move over how is anyone besides the person he talked to supposed to know that? Hold up a sign or something so that everyone knows what to do.
I'll be honest a lot of cyclists on roads actually piss me off as they think the roads are there for just them but then play victim when something happens because they drive dangerously, HOWEVER I do watch cycling and am interested but I have had some surgery which does not permit me to participate. But the effort some of you put in is crazy. And that pompous official actually proves my point a bit about some cyclists (I think you know what I mean) even though you are a good cyclist, that some think the some think they own the roads, he was out of order and could have spoilt the whole race by causing a collision. Good for you for recording it. CRACKING EFFORT BY THE WAY 👍👍
That was odd. As you said, you'd expect an official to be easily identifiable as such. Even then, you wouldn't expect to see them doing something like that.
Just out of interest, what camera are you using - very clear footage.
It’s the new @insta360 X4. Only had it for a couple of weeks but loving it. Just wish it was lighter but quality is amazing.
your gut instinct was correct.
You were right. What was he doing stood there ???
How were you to know? I would have done/said the same.
What a cold tea (because hot tea hurts) sippin' McHurtMyFeelings Chihuahua of a man