In terms of look and feel I’m impressed, the dynamics are also impresive. But when I saw him playing it was obvious that it has a significant learning curve. He is an amazing player as we saw him trying to fit in with the song, but some hits weren’t that loud as they sounded. Great tool but definetely not a plug and play. Great video!
I feel like 2024 will become the year of e-drums (again). Felt like the past years there really wasn't a ton of new stuff out there. Now companies keep spitting out new trigger-ideas, new soundmodules. I'm excited
You can actually monitor your in-ear mix from the drum brain in stereo which is amazing. Our drummer loves mixing his drums in his ears in stereo and the sound guy loves getting the direct outs separate from each other. We use presonus qmix to mix his in-ear mix and boom.
@@davediaz1742a lot of drummers today are endorsed. So they bring their own kit and use it. And the down side of these electric kit is the hi hat. They don’t react like they should, especially for Roland. And to get a better Roland hi hat it is basically as much as a cymbal pack
10:27 example of double triggering and not muting, while saying “but it’s better than plastic”. Having had ATV, Roland TD-50X, Mimic, EFNOTE, Alesis, SD3, SSD, Field, Jobeky and most recently, DWe that my church purchased, I couldn’t disagree more with the feel of these stiff, no-give metal cymbals. They have zero percent bend or flex and are so loud, they feel like playing on a formica countertop. Plastic or not plastic is not the dividing line, the magic is in the nuance the ears and hands are experiencing together. We returned our DWe and purchased the EFNOTE Pro 703 after the incredibly loud acoustic sound off the DWe (field) cymbals. EFNOTE nails it with the feel, samples and bandwidth of products, and support. Love the Mimic Pro too, great module, but if we want that, we just usb out and back in with SD3, SSD, DWe, whatever we want. EFNOTE wins straight up
@@eDrummerLife love my PMP, but it’s just a cutdown version of SSD. If I want a VST, SD3 smashes SSD and I can usb SD3 right back to my module and bus it out to the house, with 10 balanced channels of my EFNOTE and 2 channels of SD3 and blend them however I like. What I’m saying about EFNOTE is systematic though, it’s aim isn’t to have you make a frankenkit, it has nuances in the triggering and dynamics that are paid attention to by the engineers and it plays like no other kit. I’ve been blown away. I’ve since bought the 3X and upgraded to the PRO module and stage box for myself, it’s incredible.
@@listener84 the EfNote onboard sounds are not at the same level of PMP ones... if you have to connect to a computer with a VST, then any module can do the job...
@@eDrummerLife that IS the module doing the job. Sorry, but I have no problem connecting a simple usb cable. I’ll say for live, the efnote sounds are better than the mimic, and are more the context of live, which is a great signal chain of well recorded, close mic’ed drums. I run FOH and the amount of drummers that I need to tell to turn off the dang room mics and reverb and let me push real air and verb in the actual room… 1 out of 10 get it, because they’re used to making drum covers in their rooms where the more room wash they have on the drums, the better. I’ve never once needed to plug in VST with efnote, but they’ve given the ability to if I want to. Like I said, love my mimic, but for live, I’ll take the efnote to the gig. If I’m going to record, and want to track usb midi along with my internal sounds, I’ll do that, but for live, the efnote is better, straight up.
I love that you can use the Pearl Mimic Pro Editor to create your own samples! The PMP doesn't have a big FAT Snare sound that a lot of worship music has. But because Steven Slate and Pearl made the "Editor", i was able to create my own snare instrument! That's the selling point for me, personally. Roland offer's great kits, but the PMP Editor gives the opportunity to include custom samples WITH DYNAMICS, rather than only One Shots
We are in process of switching from acoustic due to stage noise over to electric. The problem was the cost because I want to be able to control the drums from front of house. I found out I can change our acoustic to electric by triggers and drum module. The frustrating part is admin only sees cost and it will cost something to begin with but the end result is worth it. Honestly not sure how to proceed.
We're using the Mimic Pro! Got a good deal on it and decided to give it a try.. and for us the benefits outweigh the cons of using an "electric" kit. And it's tolerable for the drummers haha
Having owned a Mimic for coming up to 5 years, it's still top 3 modules out there. In my opinion it's in line with The efnote Pro, TD50X. Now personally I think it beats them but I accept other people's opinion on this. So I am being conservative with it being top 3 modules. You could always go edrumin-mac/pc-VST-multi out interface route and get similar if not better results perhaps. But weigh up the cost and set up of that and the Mimic seems like a much better option for an all in one package. You can also load in said favourite samples from whatever VST (stereo mixes of only but without hihats) is your favourite for endless possibilities.
Since 2021 eDrum Center has been the sole distributor of ATV drums. My Sweetwater reps had been telling me they were "no longer available" or "no longer made" (being very careful with their words) to give the impression they were out of business and get you to buy something else from SW. Super shady.
Honestly as a drummer the only electronic kit I would use are the high end Vdrums (not the full kit look version) maybe the new DW kit but even those are questionable. There is no better brain over Roland for electronic drums. That ride sounded horrible…… I’d rather play with hot rods😆 This is a really great video btw! Love the detail and information you put out there!!!!
@@techtactics788 I have not played with the Mimic Pro. Im sure its a great brain. However, if you are looking for all around classic acoustic drum sounds that pairs great with an electronic kit. Then I'd personally go with TD-50KV2 kit. As a drummer thats been playing way to long this is the only E kit I would recommend. Roland has dialed in the feel of the mesh heads. The more rubber cymbals are really responsive and the kick will last a long time. I know technology is improving greatly but this is the best feel for me personally. I think if you ask any drummer most would opt for the Roland kit over anything else. At the end of the day a nice DW, Yamaha Beech Custom (and up), Franklin Drums, Ludwig Classic Acoustic would be my first choice of kits. If these could not work and I had to play an Electric kit then Im going with the Roland TD-50V2.😊😊😊
Awesome video! Thank you so much for sharing! Fantastic, love the cymbals and response you get also from heads triggers too. I’m sick of years of E drum difficulties. I wasted $2000 on an alisis, artificial sound, response and feel. Rubber cymbals are off. Hi hats terrible -have a mind of their own and pedal is separate, just open or close. Mesh drum heads are cool but still triggers will miss beats. Lol How expensive was this set up you have?
I’ve been playing with this kind of set up for 6 years. This is fairly old news in the edrum world and as far as modules go, you will find nothing that compares to the Pearl Mimic. The only downside is the learning curve. It has an extensive one. As far as sound goes. You will not hear the difference between processed acoustic drums and the Mimic. This will also improve your drum sound at your church. Most local churches are not blessed with good sound engineers and even if they are slightly knowledgeable they usually have zero clue how to mix drums. This will help in that area for people in a similar situation as myself. I went this route 6 years ago and haven’t looked back.
All the drums and cymbals would work perfectly, as they're almost if not exact, the same design as ATV cymbals and drums. The issue would be with the Efnote hihat, it relies on a multipin connection from their modules. In that you have the power supply for the optical sensor, the cymbal zones (edge, and bow, maybe the bell too? I am not sure) and the resistance values of the optical sensor. In theory someone with a bit of tech skill could make a box to go in between which separates these pins into their individual TRS jacks and power supply. But as far as I know, no one has attempted this yet. I hope this helps.
Cymbals are the hardest part. While it was close, Obviously the right sample choice will change the sound. The zones are close, but still a couple weird transitions from zones.cool idea though!
Jobeky in the UK and AE Hybrid out of Germany are a couple other brands that carry metal e-cymbals. You just have to deal w/ int’l shipping if you aren’t local to those areas.
How loud are the cymbals in the first few rows? We have a fairly small sanctuary with lots of glass behind the stage and am curious if the metal cymbals would still add too much volume to the room...
Our churches set up is Sabian HHX real symbols, drumtec drums, and pearl mimic for brains. No matter what e cymbals we tried it just never felt right and about near impossible to do a swell.
I love that at 22:50 You say it's really important to have good gain staging when pretty much every channel is going into the yellow and some clipping. That's not "good" gain staging. If you are trying clip or push the gain up a bit to get some sort of distortion then that's something else but you shouldn't label that as good gain staging. Its very misleading and incorrect
Lots of closed minded folks in the comments. Clearly, it’s not for everyone, but you also have to keep in mind that things were not dialed in for the player. Even with that, it sounds so good.
$2500 (that's just for the brain only) could get you a decent used kit with good heads, a simple cymbal setup and a shield. Even the most expensive of e-kits still sound cheap and feel awkward. Not hopeful for this technology to be useable anytime soon lol
The guys nay saying in the comments here dont seem to understand this is not dialed in well the trigger settings are way off here and i also wasnt a fan of the samples they chose thats personal taste tho they have way beyter sounds and you can upload your own multisamples I've heard the pearl mimic setup properly and it is substantially better then here. Also efnote and atv are not very well built imho I'd reccomend drumtec shells and triggers over them the build quality is just much better.
The dynamics of the cymbals seem to be WAY off. In the "Make Room" demo he's barely touching the ride. If the drummer has to play that light on a E kit cymbals for them not to explode, might as well just get a real kit or just stick to the Roland V-drums.
No surprise about the triggering, sound not accurate, I have more than 15 years reaching out about this and my conclusion over the years is use Roland drums with library, the digital pads make huge difference if you want multitrack you can use a multitrack interface, but I mixed the drums in the library thru my studio
Before we drummers go for Acoustic vs Electric debate, we must understand that the Church is not there to listen to you play the drum. 95% of congregation doesn't care if it's Electric or Acoustic. They just want nice easy to listen sound, and focus on worship vive. In most medium size churches, an acoustic kit (whether it's in the cage or not) is a nightmare to deal with, both acoustically and aesthetically. It's too loud - so you put it in the cage, then the cage destroys the look of the stage. Also most sound engineer does not understand how to dial in a good drum sound. Too loud. Too muddy. Not much anyone can do. EDrum at least solves 1 1/2 of this problem. I have almost exactly same setup in my church. PMP with Jobeky Ecymbals, and ATV shells. Still trying to dial in. Cymbals are bit difficult to dial in, but toms and kick sound incredible. We made a compromise and added 1 acoustic cymbal for cymbal swell sound.
Live sound edition by drum-tec takes the mimic pro to the next level
In terms of look and feel I’m impressed, the dynamics are also impresive. But when I saw him playing it was obvious that it has a significant learning curve. He is an amazing player as we saw him trying to fit in with the song, but some hits weren’t that loud as they sounded. Great tool but definetely not a plug and play. Great video!
I feel like 2024 will become the year of e-drums (again). Felt like the past years there really wasn't a ton of new stuff out there. Now companies keep spitting out new trigger-ideas, new soundmodules. I'm excited
Wow this video is a whole other level. This drum kit sounds very high end.
Man, that’s me too. I love playing with rim shots. It’s a dream kit
You can actually monitor your in-ear mix from the drum brain in stereo which is amazing. Our drummer loves mixing his drums in his ears in stereo and the sound guy loves getting the direct outs separate from each other. We use presonus qmix to mix his in-ear mix and boom.
This is pretty cool... DWe is also a great electric kit as well..
I'd take a drum cage and acoustic drums over this all day long!
This is actually less for drummers and more for the church. SO YOU TAKE WHAT THE CHURCH GIVES!!
@@davediaz1742a lot of drummers today are endorsed. So they bring their own kit and use it. And the down side of these electric kit is the hi hat. They don’t react like they should, especially for Roland. And to get a better Roland hi hat it is basically as much as a cymbal pack
Good for you, I guess?
@@davediaz1742the church 😂😂😂
10:27 example of double triggering and not muting, while saying “but it’s better than plastic”. Having had ATV, Roland TD-50X, Mimic, EFNOTE, Alesis, SD3, SSD, Field, Jobeky and most recently, DWe that my church purchased, I couldn’t disagree more with the feel of these stiff, no-give metal cymbals. They have zero percent bend or flex and are so loud, they feel like playing on a formica countertop. Plastic or not plastic is not the dividing line, the magic is in the nuance the ears and hands are experiencing together. We returned our DWe and purchased the EFNOTE Pro 703 after the incredibly loud acoustic sound off the DWe (field) cymbals. EFNOTE nails it with the feel, samples and bandwidth of products, and support.
Love the Mimic Pro too, great module, but if we want that, we just usb out and back in with SD3, SSD, DWe, whatever we want. EFNOTE wins straight up
At today, after 7 years from its launch, Mimic Pro has still the best onboard sounds out in the market. Period.
@@eDrummerLife love my PMP, but it’s just a cutdown version of SSD. If I want a VST, SD3 smashes SSD and I can usb SD3 right back to my module and bus it out to the house, with 10 balanced channels of my EFNOTE and 2 channels of SD3 and blend them however I like.
What I’m saying about EFNOTE is systematic though, it’s aim isn’t to have you make a frankenkit, it has nuances in the triggering and dynamics that are paid attention to by the engineers and it plays like no other kit. I’ve been blown away. I’ve since bought the 3X and upgraded to the PRO module and stage box for myself, it’s incredible.
@@listener84 the EfNote onboard sounds are not at the same level of PMP ones... if you have to connect to a computer with a VST, then any module can do the job...
@@eDrummerLife that IS the module doing the job. Sorry, but I have no problem connecting a simple usb cable. I’ll say for live, the efnote sounds are better than the mimic, and are more the context of live, which is a great signal chain of well recorded, close mic’ed drums. I run FOH and the amount of drummers that I need to tell to turn off the dang room mics and reverb and let me push real air and verb in the actual room… 1 out of 10 get it, because they’re used to making drum covers in their rooms where the more room wash they have on the drums, the better. I’ve never once needed to plug in VST with efnote, but they’ve given the ability to if I want to. Like I said, love my mimic, but for live, I’ll take the efnote to the gig. If I’m going to record, and want to track usb midi along with my internal sounds, I’ll do that, but for live, the efnote is better, straight up.
@@listener84 ok then, connetc the usb cable, if this is enough to start playing.
Great video! Put all the Toms on a stereo output, and you’ll have 8 channels for the entire kit, including the ride. 👍
I’m a Field player as well. Love them.
What drum sounds are you using on the Mimic? The drum sounds sound so good.
The Mimic should really get support for Dante audio over ethernet cable. The would make wiring to the FOH much easier.
I love that you can use the Pearl Mimic Pro Editor to create your own samples! The PMP doesn't have a big FAT Snare sound that a lot of worship music has. But because Steven Slate and Pearl made the "Editor", i was able to create my own snare instrument! That's the selling point for me, personally. Roland offer's great kits, but the PMP Editor gives the opportunity to include custom samples WITH DYNAMICS, rather than only One Shots
Hey im looking for a worship snare for pmp. Can you send me yours maybe?
We are in process of switching from acoustic due to stage noise over to electric. The problem was the cost because I want to be able to control the drums from front of house. I found out I can change our acoustic to electric by triggers and drum module. The frustrating part is admin only sees cost and it will cost something to begin with but the end result is worth it. Honestly not sure how to proceed.
We're using the Mimic Pro! Got a good deal on it and decided to give it a try.. and for us the benefits outweigh the cons of using an "electric" kit. And it's tolerable for the drummers haha
Having owned a Mimic for coming up to 5 years, it's still top 3 modules out there. In my opinion it's in line with The efnote Pro, TD50X. Now personally I think it beats them but I accept other people's opinion on this. So I am being conservative with it being top 3 modules.
You could always go edrumin-mac/pc-VST-multi out interface route and get similar if not better results perhaps. But weigh up the cost and set up of that and the Mimic seems like a much better option for an all in one package.
You can also load in said favourite samples from whatever VST (stereo mixes of only but without hihats) is your favourite for endless possibilities.
Since 2021 eDrum Center has been the sole distributor of ATV drums. My Sweetwater reps had been telling me they were "no longer available" or "no longer made" (being very careful with their words) to give the impression they were out of business and get you to buy something else from SW. Super shady.
the same team behind ATV is now behind EF-Note drums which are also pretty great.
Honestly as a drummer the only electronic kit I would use are the high end Vdrums (not the full kit look version) maybe the new DW kit but even those are questionable. There is no better brain over Roland for electronic drums. That ride sounded horrible…… I’d rather play with hot rods😆 This is a really great video btw! Love the detail and information you put out there!!!!
Fully agree. We actually just bought a high end acoustic design roland tonight and the ride is incredible. I didn't like the ride in this video
Isn't the Pearl Mimic Pro better than Roland's?
@@techtactics788 I have not played with the Mimic Pro. Im sure its a great brain. However, if you are looking for all around classic acoustic drum sounds that pairs great with an electronic kit. Then I'd personally go with TD-50KV2 kit. As a drummer thats been playing way to long this is the only E kit I would recommend. Roland has dialed in the feel of the mesh heads. The more rubber cymbals are really responsive
and the kick will last a long time. I know technology is improving greatly but this is the best feel for me personally. I think if you ask any drummer most would opt for the Roland kit over anything else. At the end of the day a nice DW, Yamaha Beech Custom (and up), Franklin Drums, Ludwig Classic Acoustic would be my first choice of kits. If these could not work and I had to play an Electric kit then Im going with the Roland TD-50V2.😊😊😊
Facts that ride is awful and way too loud if they were to lower it it wouldn’t be half as bad
Awesome video! Thank you so much for sharing! Fantastic, love the cymbals and response you get also from heads triggers too.
I’m sick of years of E drum difficulties. I wasted $2000 on an alisis, artificial sound, response and feel. Rubber cymbals are off. Hi hats terrible -have a mind of their own and pedal is separate, just open or close. Mesh drum heads are cool but still triggers will miss beats.
Lol
How expensive was this set up you have?
where can i download the pearl mimic preset?
I’ve been playing with this kind of set up for 6 years. This is fairly old news in the edrum world and as far as modules go, you will find nothing that compares to the Pearl Mimic. The only downside is the learning curve. It has an extensive one. As far as sound goes. You will not hear the difference between processed acoustic drums and the Mimic. This will also improve your drum sound at your church. Most local churches are not blessed with good sound engineers and even if they are slightly knowledgeable they usually have zero clue how to mix drums. This will help in that area for people in a similar situation as myself. I went this route 6 years ago and haven’t looked back.
So would the EFNOTE kit paired with the Mimic Pro module be the ideal setup? (in Erik's opinion)
Efnote stock actually sounds pretty good after proper mixing and calibration
All the drums and cymbals would work perfectly, as they're almost if not exact, the same design as ATV cymbals and drums. The issue would be with the Efnote hihat, it relies on a multipin connection from their modules. In that you have the power supply for the optical sensor, the cymbal zones (edge, and bow, maybe the bell too? I am not sure) and the resistance values of the optical sensor. In theory someone with a bit of tech skill could make a box to go in between which separates these pins into their individual TRS jacks and power supply. But as far as I know, no one has attempted this yet. I hope this helps.
Cymbals are the hardest part. While it was close, Obviously the right sample choice will change the sound. The zones are close, but still a couple weird transitions from zones.cool idea though!
It's incredible.... people don't know what we are talking about here!
I’ve been searching for a more realistic looking electronic cymbal for a while. Have you found any cheaper alternatives to the Field cymbals?
Jobeky in the UK and AE Hybrid out of Germany are a couple other brands that carry metal e-cymbals. You just have to deal w/ int’l shipping if you aren’t local to those areas.
Lemons are cheap/easily replaceable
How loud are the cymbals in the first few rows? We have a fairly small sanctuary with lots of glass behind the stage and am curious if the metal cymbals would still add too much volume to the room...
I’m curious about this too. The metal cymbals seem to be quite a bit louder than the rubber ones
May i know how much it cost for the edrum sets?
I use superior drummer 3 with the Alesis strike pro se
I was thinking about getting one for home use. I see a lot of mixed reviews (predominantly cymbals). How is it holding up for you?
I wasn't aware Tom Brady played drums. Great vid.
Our churches set up is Sabian HHX real symbols, drumtec drums, and pearl mimic for brains. No matter what e cymbals we tried it just never felt right and about near impossible to do a swell.
Multiple outputs for electric drums? Damn this is cool....
Would people be interested in a brain with built in dante?
Yes. Im out of stage box inputs
We won’t be able to fully get that real acoustic feel with any electric kit. But this is pretty close
I love that at 22:50 You say it's really important to have good gain staging when pretty much every channel is going into the yellow and some clipping. That's not "good" gain staging.
If you are trying clip or push the gain up a bit to get some sort of distortion then that's something else but you shouldn't label that as good gain staging. Its very misleading and incorrect
Lots of closed minded folks in the comments. Clearly, it’s not for everyone, but you also have to keep in mind that things were not dialed in for the player. Even with that, it sounds so good.
Waoooo ❤ great 👍 Drum set
Anyone know why you wouldn’t just use real cymbals with an electric kit? Is latency a factor?
Volume, would be my concern. If I’m a small space, like the church I’m at, with heavy handed drummers, it would sound like cymbal worship time.
Even in the demo I see him hitting cymbals and no sound.
$2500 (that's just for the brain only) could get you a decent used kit with good heads, a simple cymbal setup and a shield. Even the most expensive of e-kits still sound cheap and feel awkward. Not hopeful for this technology to be useable anytime soon lol
The guys nay saying in the comments here dont seem to understand this is not dialed in well the trigger settings are way off here and i also wasnt a fan of the samples they chose thats personal taste tho they have way beyter sounds and you can upload your own multisamples I've heard the pearl mimic setup properly and it is substantially better then here. Also efnote and atv are not very well built imho I'd reccomend drumtec shells and triggers over them the build quality is just much better.
The dynamics of the cymbals seem to be WAY off. In the "Make Room" demo he's barely touching the ride. If the drummer has to play that light on a E kit cymbals for them not to explode, might as well just get a real kit or just stick to the Roland V-drums.
Just like any brain you gotta tweak it to fit the drummer.
No surprise about the triggering, sound not accurate, I have more than 15 years reaching out about this and my conclusion over the years is use Roland drums with library, the digital pads make huge difference if you want multitrack you can use a multitrack interface, but I mixed the drums in the library thru my studio
I guess you do what your client wants, but if the drummers actually played to the room, you wouldn’t need an e-kit.
1st drum upgrade: find drummers who know how to play to room and throw out that electric kit.
Honestly, Logic Pro's Drum Plugin sounds better! I know there are other advantages but not impressive in terms of sound.
Seriously?
@@eDrummerLifeYes, I am serious.
@@HopeCityChurchMangalore I believe that you never tried the PMP... but you are so brave to judge just watching a YT video...
Before we drummers go for Acoustic vs Electric debate, we must understand that the Church is not there to listen to you play the drum. 95% of congregation doesn't care if it's Electric or Acoustic. They just want nice easy to listen sound, and focus on worship vive.
In most medium size churches, an acoustic kit (whether it's in the cage or not) is a nightmare to deal with, both acoustically and aesthetically. It's too loud - so you put it in the cage, then the cage destroys the look of the stage. Also most sound engineer does not understand how to dial in a good drum sound. Too loud. Too muddy. Not much anyone can do. EDrum at least solves 1 1/2 of this problem.
I have almost exactly same setup in my church. PMP with Jobeky Ecymbals, and ATV shells. Still trying to dial in. Cymbals are bit difficult to dial in, but toms and kick sound incredible. We made a compromise and added 1 acoustic cymbal for cymbal swell sound.
Just get a drum booth and an acoustic kit. It’s cheaper and sounds better.
Nope…Not even a little bit. Oof 😅
yeah, no thanks
Those guys believe in a santa clause 😂
Sorry, just my taste, those cymbals sound terrible. Could very well be the selected sound coming from the brain.
You could make sound better, right?
All that effort and it still sounds like trash 😂
Seriously? Give us an example of good sounding drums then!
Why not just get an actual drum set🤷♂️