Can snow foam remove this? Bilt Hamber versus Desert Dust Car Wash
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Keep them coming Jon 👍. Because of the dust, Sahara sand & lack of rain I'm washing our cars 1-2 times a week at the moment! My BH Auto Foam is about run out after which I will switch to Touchless. Interested to see if it as good as everyone has been saying. I find that once the car is properly cleaned & waxed a BH foam wash & rinse is all that's needed to keep on top of it until another more detailed wash / wax is needed (every 8-10 washes). My estate car is metallic black & a real pain to keep looking at it's best. I've also been trying out Demon Shine sprayed on neat as drying aid. Seems to do a reasonable job & extends the time between waxes by adding another layer of protection. I also need to tackle some scratches on the roof left by the previous owner so any cosmetic scratch repair tips you could offer would be great.
Hi ya , after reading your message, I totally agree, the sandy crap on your car can do sooooo much damage. I use Gyeon WetCoat once a month & I find my paintwork stays very slick. Nothing sticks to it, & it’s SO protected against everything. Gyeon products are absolutely amazing, & I’ve tried a few other over the years.
As for your scratches, you might want to go see a bodyshop. Depending on how deep they are, you might be able to ‘flat & polish’ then out. If not, at best they will improve them without going through the paint. Always ask the B/shop first though. Good luck.
Iain / M-Benz Guildford.
Loving the BH Touchless and MJCC cannon Jon, great combo! Just goes to show, if you put the hours in to cleaning and protecting a car, you get the return in situations like this 👍🏼👊🏻😍
Doesn't look like there's much protection on the car at all XD. Sahara dust will readily come off with just water. Heck the whole reason it's deposited so heavily in the first place is because it's in the rain. Since my car is so hydrophobic, I get tons of tiny Sahara dust dots on the surface instead haha. If it's raining again and I go for a drive and on the way back the rain stops and the sun comes out, most of the dust is cleansed off by the rain and the wind blowing the rain off with the dissolved dust inside it. That dust is great for the soil btw, full of micronutrients for plants!
The sand on the car wasn’t dried on road film but loose sand simply laying on the car. The pre wash doesn’t really have any work to do. The removal of the sand surely was done with the pressure of the water alone…..(just letting the lance run through on the floor until empty seemed really wasteful and pointless - keep it for next time surely?)
Not sure but lots were reporting snow foam not effective at removing this.. but TL works by disipsting static charge if dirt... It just seem to do a really good job fir me.
We had our third "desert storm" attack last week and as I'm relatively new to snow foaming I thought this would be a great test. I use the Autoglym range of products and I found the Polar Blast ideal for removing the sand prior to contact wash. I suppose it is possible to remove the sand just by jetting but I figured that the more gentle application of Pre wash via the snow foam lance would be safer to apply before hitting it with the jet washer. Results were pretty effective and I was more than satisfied to go ahead with a contact wash after fully rinsing down the Polar Blast.
I think Polar Blast is an underrated product. Unfortunately it gets a pass by most detailers just because it's AG. It's a good snowfoam, PH neutral, and removes a lot of surface contaminants prior to contact washing. It's not as powerful as BH, but it's also more gentle on your LSP than BH. Shame it doesn't come in 5 litre bottles.
All I’ve found needed to remove this dust (and the spring pollen) is a good pressure wash rinse having already had a good wax on the car. Snow foam seems much more useful on the winter grime. Can’t harm to prewash with foam of course.
I just feel using a pressure wash first will agitate the sand effectively in this video. And causes more issues to paintwork. I dunno. I prefer pre washing
@@4u2nvme4ever If that was the case, heavy rain would cause swirling. I know Yvan Lacroix has mentioned this numerous times but I don't think theirs in-depth testing and science behind it. But also you need to be using your pressure washer at under 1500 psi so that it's more then safe, through the use of the correct sized nozzle.
@@KiranPatel-fk1pg yeah my pressure is very low and I have the wide beam setting on always
I've just washed my car after about 3 months with the bilthamber touchless! Gotta say I was blown away! Awesome product! Best thing it disappeared after about an hour, other snowfoams hang around for days!
I've learned a lot watching this channel. Touch less is an incredible product!
Thanks for another good video Jon!
Was using Polar Blast, switched over to BH Touchless once my last bottle ran out, based on your videos and it’s been great!
Had some success just doing two washes with Touchless, leaf blower to remove most the water. then a detail spray with a micro fibre to finish off. Hopefully that doesn’t cross too many detailing boundaries 😂
Pretty good technique if the car isn't too dirty and the paint is well protected. I tend to use a snowfoam, rinse, and then a waterless wash & wax spray while the car is still wet. A cheaper way is to use a Rinseless wash like ONR or P&S Absolute, mixed up in a spray bottle after snowfoaming and wipe away with a rag. You can even do it the way you already are and make your own detailer with the rinseless - much cheaper!
Hi Jon, I had problems with my jet washer and used BH autofoam through my IK Foamer before a strong hose pressure rinse worked really well to get the pesky sand off.
me too, though mainly for the wheels and under the side skirts. Just out of interest, what ratio do you use?
@@pigeonpoo1823 hi mate it was approx 120ml autofoam and 400ml water. Really impressed the sand seemed to almost melt away.
Hi Jon another great video. I have just taken delivery of bilt hamber touchless, autowheel and surfex HD. I will be using them all on 3 vehicles this weekend a DAF HGV, an Audi A4 2004 that’s been sat for a year and has some lovely green mold all over it and my wife’s fiat 500 that is very clean. The DAF is filthy as hell so I can test this.
Appreciate the video especially showing that all car washes don’t need to take hours to complete. Definitely going to invest in the BH Touchless when my AF citrus wash is all gone.
Jon leads the way in prewashing a car 👍. Minimising the swirls and marring by this method might even result in a more basic hand polish and target specific areas rather then keep cutting back lacquer across the whole car? 🤷
I always get excited when John uploads a video lol.👍🏻
I've been using the BH Snow Foam and it does leave a little film, but when you do the hand wash, there is barely any dirt coming off into the wash mitt. The rinse bucket stays clean. I am even thinking I can wash the car a few times with the same mitt prior to throwing it into the laundry.
jon there is a conspiracy on the forums that Karcher have given you a boosted up model. it great.
the good old forums :) Meth injected turbo charged K7 :)
I’ve scaled back the Touch-Less PIR to 2% now we’ve seen the worst of the winter filth. Autowash contact wash, followed by Touch-On through a CCC foam lance. Thorough rinse and towel dry. The beading on from the Touch-On is way beyond expectations, silky smooth paint, and it helps on the next wash.
Touch-Less on the sandy dirt is phenomenal, but I think Autofoam has the edge on oily road film.
John, when you connect the water hose to the jetwash pull the trigger to bleed all the air out of the machine and lance before you switch it on as the motor is watercooled and full of air and and the surging is the motor running off load and without cooling water and getting very hot.
Stunning E36 you've got there John and looking forward to see what it's like under the workshop lights.
Its been repainted
Tell you what Jon, with a coating on the car and a demineralised water, that Touchless would be great as a full on non-comtact wash you know.
Foam, rinse and blow dry and you're done!
It’s great AS a contact wash! I don’t use it that way but it’s very slick.
My M5 was covered in enough to build my own castle so yesterday Bill Hamber snow foam did the job prior to its normal wash.
Great little video John & how much Sahara Sand on ya car madness but wow how she came up with the Snow Foam!! 😱👌🏻👍🏻
Hi Jon, I like BH products too, but for pre-wash, try the Dunking Biscuit Velvet (it is pH 8). You will love it. It is a UK brand also. And you need 500 ml of water and 10-15 ml of the shampoo, in the MJJC Foam Cannon Pro.
They closed the doors ...
@@laurapalmerTDGE Yep, just heard it a few days ago. Shame, they had good products.
@@OCDaddyZsolt - The smaller companies with good gear can't compete. The market keeps growing & online shops.
Grtz
True dirt will be revealed again once it`s dry. Especially on horizontal panels
Ha, I did exactly this today. I bloody hate this dust. I invested in some touchless a while ago specially to get rid of it so I don't grind the stuff in to my paint.
My Kingdom for a garage.
Hi Jon isn't that what prewashing is all about 😎
What would have been a great test is half the car in BH touchless and the other half sprayed from pressure sprayer with ONR, then pressure washed off and allowed to air dry. This would have shown the effect of both products on the sand. Both products claim to break the bond of dirt. ONR is claimed to encapsulate and breakdown particles, so in theory would take off the sand when pressure washed. Love both products and regularly use both, finding BH Touch-on gives better results each time it's used and especially when I use Optimum gloss enhancer as a drying aid. Keep up the great work.
Onr does not work that well as a prewash for UK.winter road film.
@@ForensicDetailing Onr as you say isn't great for winter road film due to the amount of oily film that we accumulate. However I was pointing out that the sand deposit's that we get in the summer and can cause the dreaded micro scratches if not dealt with properly would be a perfect test between snow foaming or pre soaking in Onr.
You should have seen this sand ‘storm’ here in Spain… the sky went orangey / red and quite dark for days, looked like I imagine mars would look like if living their!! our white houses here turned terracotta (jet washing did little so need paining), pool looked like a mug bath and my nice white Range Rover looked the same colour as your BMW’s leather interior… the dust was as fine as talc, it has taken probably ten full washes to get it out of all the door shuts, seals and engine bay… things that nightmares are made from for a detailed.
The sand / dust leaves a ‘oily’ film that is very hard to get off with normal car shampoo and if left stains light colored paints especially white that need a full cut to remove… some cars needed to be repainted!
It’s was bad.
I only hand wash if I'm adding more protection. I use all three BH Foams and I love them all equally. Force air dry it, buff the windows and done..
Ceramic coating was the game changer, PPF feels like cheating..
Ive just moved to BH snow foam and it's brilliant. Lot better than Autoglym which I was using. Worked out my PIR and it's 137.5 ml topped up to 250 ml per wash. That's 3% for summer wash for my car.
I would rinse first , maybe including soap at the same time . To mimize or prevent sctaches , etc and if possible to use hot water .
Very helpful video, thank you
Please send me a link for the bulk liquid dispensers you are using.
I generally keep on top of things and gave the car a foam (mainly for a bit of dust), followed by a thorough rinse and 'gorilla towel' dried. Car looked good, even stuck on some soft99. After thinking foam was a non-necessary luxury, since the 'rinse' vs 'foam' first video I am a total convert now
I’m a big fan of your process. I add one element prior to your foam. I like to use ONR prior. I soak the entire paint with it and it seems to enhance the cleaning effects of the foam.
I'm not do sure about that
ONR aint gonna do anything compared to this stuff as a pre soak.
Desert sand is the worst, it's so fine you will be finding it for years and years as you pull things off to detail or change parts etc. It gets into everywhere.
Hey Jon, great vid once again, but I must ask………… I noticed that after the foam & rinse, why’s the water taking sooooo long to sheet or even Bead off your car ??? I would have thought you’d have that puppy polished & protected to an inch of its life. 😳😬. Maybe it’s just the 1st wash process???? 😎😎
Last year just before I was about to trade in my car I got this sand as well. I tried a quick snowfoam and rinse but it would not come off that way. I did not have more time. That did annoy me but the car was still sold within a day.
I generally prefer to hose the car down first then snow foam, going over it with a light sponge. Hose off, leather dry job done
Jon, you need an Aquaplus Stop end on your hose to stop you getting wet feet when connecting to your pressure washer😆
They can be a pressure washer killer man.
@@RossT551 how so ?
The reduce the amount of flow to the washer. So not a good idea to use them.
As people above have said, they cause a restriction to the flow into the pressure washer. And if the plastic plunger inside broke off I hate to think the damage it might do being sucked in.
@@delphinebez3045 If the water is flowing out of them and not in then generally its ok. For example, if its attched directly to the tap then the water would be flowing through, opening the little stopper thing. If it was attached to the pressure washer, the water would be flowing against it and is pretty much pushing the plunger closed.
Man I need that karcher hose reel, I see they all come with them now
I'd like to see what it would look like if you skipped the contact wash, and instead simply did a thorough pressure rinse using demineralised water, and then let it dry - i.e a completely touchless wash.
If that is not adequate, follow up with a second contactless wash. Why is the second wash always a contact wash, when the contactless wash is 99+% effective?
Interested in seeing that as well...
Where have you been 🤣 been looking at your channel every day to are if you've been uploading waiting for your amazing videos. Love them keep at it
I used Glimmerman citrus pre wash then infinity wax wipeout snow foam on the Sahara dust john
Why not use touchless/Auto-Foam with some quantity of another neutral snow foam producing thick foam? Just to make it a bit thicker
because you dont know whats in them and the consequences of mixing them mate.
@@ForensicDetailing I think it's a bit conservative. We add some apc to make it stronger (gsf +gs, neutral snow foam +surfex, etc), why not neutral snow foam, they are quite mild, most of the cases they hardly do anything.
Hello Jon, thank you for this great video and by the way your YT channel is fantastic. Can I just make a constructive point, and please don't be offended by this; it's just a king suggestion. I made the same comment to other YT detailers like Harper's car detailing.
Here's the point : you have become a reference in the detailing word. Every video you post makes tens of thousands of views. You have quarter of a million followers. You've got a dream car which is the M4 CS. You have a large garage with state-of-the-art detailing equipment.
Despite all of that, it seems you don't spend one penny for everything related to "video" material : at least a good microphone, a go-pro cam, a tripod camera,... For example, in this video, we can see you holding the camera (shaking) with one hand while holding the hose with the other.
Would this not be the minimum for a YT channel of such scope ?
Thanks in advance for your answer and again, I repeat that I LOVE watching your videos which are always very instructive.
I've got sliders fluid head tripods, 3 go pros, dslr, lighting, etc... But you tube is not about good production so much. At least not for me. I want to be able to film edit upload very rapidly 99% of the time at least.
@@ForensicDetailing What you need is a work experience kid helping you film. 😂
You really need to invest in a water filter system with Summer coming Jon
So I am following a few of the car detailing channels and some say you shouldn't apply snow foam in direct sunlight. Is this something you agree? I assume that you did this short cleaning during the earliest of day right? Just to avoid the sun from heating up the car's surface, and secondly burning in on the applied product. That being asked, thanks for the great video!
Looks like my car...gonna spray it with some autofoam later.. bilt hamber is expensive in the US
You can get Koch Chemie super foam in a 5 gallon size for around $85 in the US from the rag company. Good high pH snowfoam that should be a great stand-in for touchless or auto-foam.
All US products are expensive in the UK also.
Used touchless a few times now for the Sahara dust. Jet washed off then gyeon quick detailer as drying aid, no contact wash. I've not noticed any marring. Touchless performing better for me than auto foam and doesn't seem to dry out so fast.
Another great video Jon, I'm sure I speak for a few of us when I ask, where are those containers with the taps from? They would come in very handy for many with limited storage
Lab unlimited sell them mate
I use BH Autofoam, probably to a lower concentration than you did and I find it stains the window trim chrome plastics on my Audi and VW. it also doesn’t come up as clean as yours, but that might be because it doesn’t have a good wax!
was hoping for more from this video.
It certainly seems to be effective at removing the majority of the sand😊.
Thankful to watch a detailing video w/o that Ivan LaCriox aka Mr. Bow Tie in it. He's so militant about doing RW's over pre-washes/2 BM's, a RW isn't going to work here especially...wait, maybe his trusty wheel brush dunked in the bucket of ONR would do the trick here too🙄🙄🙄
Jon, thanks for being in my Top 5 channels to watch for detailing 👍👍
Do you wash the neighbours car or do they just comment you will wash the paint off those cars 🤪 , I always get that comment lol
“ can you do mine next ?”
@@yowie8986 lol yeah and that saying haha 😂,
I wanna wash my car. I just washed it last week lol. But I do need to do a paint correction 🤔 I suppose I could do that tomorrow and then do a good wash after.
Mostly just wanna play with my foam cannon 😂
auto foam doesn't seem to shift pollen/dust on a recently washed car :/
maybe touchless is the answer, I'll have to grab some sometime
I finally managed to buy me a house, meaning I got a pressure washer!
Karcher K7 just like what you got.
I see you are using a different lance and foam gun.
Care to share what they are? I'd rather spend more on good quality stuff once then guess how good it is from pictures on the internet...
Cheers!
Check out his vast collection of videos. All the info you need 😉
Sahara sands travel all the way to the Caribbean and Florida , and it's all year round, buddy... it's filled with nasty stuff even arsenic, they found. And clearly there are metal specks in it so it definitely causing rust too !
I live that car. The both of um are mint.
I wish I always pre washed my car from new in 2010 in would be in alot better shape now.
Well done John. I’m attacking my car tomorrow morning. Will be using BH snow foam 👍👍
Neighbours wife to husband: why do you not wash you car like Jon does?
Neighbours husband to wife: because we are on a water meter! 😂🤣
Oh boy you should try our jagged bedayer red sand then, it sticks to clear coat, only way to remove it is by claying 😂
John, please ask this X-mas for a tri-pod...
In the USA that’s about $5 of Touch-less on the ground.😎
Really interesting video! Enjoyed that. Can you recommend a soft but hard enough exterior little brush for nooks and rubber seal areas. Have a Merc c220 2007 and where the glass meets the bodywork there are gaps and need to get in there with something to clean out the muck. I’m new to this and will be joining the Patreon group. Much appreciated
Yo Matt inrans in2detailing hog hair brushes with the black handles. Cone in a pack of 2 mate. Welcome aboard
@@ForensicDetailing brilliant and thanks!
7:38 did you say Karcher's hose wasn't coiling, when you got your K7? 🤔
That glass looked great, what product would you recommend?
The dust on the car drives me friggin mad.
All nice and shiny polished etc, for the nice weather.....and then comes the dust to ruin it 😢
People who are obsessed with exact numbers and % will bet so irritated by the vague measurements ! 🤣 Those dispensers for me seem way more trouble and expense for what they’re worth….but if they solve a problem for you they’re cool
Awsome videos as always ! Btw was wondering about this WRC Ford Rallying team ( M SPORT ) have their own lineup of detailing products that they are selling. Why not check them out for a video?
Will just be rebottle m8
Is this the "Forensic Detailing Channel" or "Forensics Detailing Channel" (s)? Always has me wondering.
I tried Touchless for the first time couple of days ago. Idea was to do a quick foam and rinse and be on my way. The touchless left nasty drip marks on my sides, ended up having to wash the car with a mitt and still some drip marks, took BH Cleanser Fluid to get rid of then…never such issues with Autofoam…
By drip marks I meant streaks
I’ve had the same issue with touchless left streaks all over the car after 2 minutes of being on the car
I wonder if it's the sugar agent involved.
where you in direct sunlight when you foamed your car?
Might try rinsing it sooner. I use Touchless and Autofoam for different reasons and found sunlight causing a rush to rinse off sooner than later in certain occasions.
I've been dialing the pir right down for this dust as am experiment
seems to be working just as well
cant understand it tbh
100 ml to 400 ml water is 1% pir in mine
panel gets a good soaking and drips of rather than a load of foam clinging there
even after 5 mins panel still not drying out
Can we buy John a tripod and mic? 😂 Love the content John! Always very thorough!
Jon you need to keep the E36 in the garage and don't clean it to much with all that chemical and water, because old cars are prone to rust and corode.
The products I use inhibit corrosion
It's not the water and chemicals you need to worry about, it's the salt on the roads in the winter that causes rot.
I get my cars up in the air and spray underneath with Waxoyl (or other similar rust preventing waxes) and brush it around behind the wheel arch liners.
Thank you on your experience with dilution ratios. The website says a maximum of 5% but at that level it may as well just be used neat. I was concerned with the cost per wash as I have only used it once so far, and at 5% each wash would get quite costly and not really be worthwhile.
Forgive me if I am getting the wrong end of the stick, but doesn't maximum 5% mean 5% product to 95% water ratio?
@@justjosh11 google Panel Impact Ratio, which is measured in %. Essentially every pressure washer and output is different, so it’s a way of you measuring out the correct amount of soap to water, for your setup. Bilt hamber does require a high amount of soap to water, compared to other brands, which like to say 1:10 ratio.
@@justjosh11 Maybe I have it backwards then. I wish their site would express dilution ratios as 1:5 or 1:20, etc.
@@Mike-FoxsAbroad sounds as though you are right and I have it wrong according to other poster. 5 or 10% water, like you said, almost seems pointless and may as well be neat 😂
@@jacknash3365 The concentrations BH wants are ridiculous. Most snow foams works great 10:1 in a cannon (110:1 on the surface).
Hey Jon great video! I wanted to ask if I wash my vehicle once a week. Maybe even once every two weeks is it safe to use touchless on every wash?
I sense a war coming between those that want a quick pH neutral (nearly pointless imo) pre-wash and the new school starting to ask questions and prefer a more alkaline pre-wash.
Btw you should check out ImJoshV and his most recent video about high pH snowfoams and then see if you have any ideas on what he experienced using auto-foam on his van.
no matter what i use my black mercedes slk scratches every single time
Crickie Jon where have you been with your car - I have told you not to go over those sand dunes in the Sahara :) also have to bled Worthing dry of water?
I need an advance here please, I live in Dubai and the weather is dusty and sandy all the time, black cars became gray from the dust over just one night. I used to jet pre-wash with water only before driving to the work every morning and let it dry by air. I know that leaving water drops is dangerous for the paint. Any solutions please.
Can I use this on a car that has a layer of polish and wax that has hydrophobic properties without compromising the wax?
What’s with this year and desert dirt? A few times now!!!! 3??
It was only sand!! wasn't it.....
Urgh I absolutely hate this stuff, mine is baked in it at the moment , never really noticed it when my car was silver but it’s black now - I am just going to wait until it’s ridiculously bad then blast it
Is there any protection on the car mate? Does not look to be a huge amount of bearing on the bonnet as you washed off?
Lol I got an Ad for Poop Transplants🤣
Does thicker foam mean more cleaning power? Or does runny foam work just as well?
both work equally well, thick foam just looks better on camera
It's properties is not designed for thickness it's supposed to be runny but not super thick like some think
Depends on the type of foam your using. Autofoam works with the thinnest covering.
Thicker foams tend to be dryer and heavier they may look good but on dust like this heavy foams just drop off and don’t break down the grime
Ahhh all quality answers. Thanks gents. Much appreciated. I really thought to myself if it's thick I can't imagine it dragging dirt off the paint like a runnier foam would. So I had to ask.
What hose do you use for your Karcher and where did you get it from? My karcher one kinks a lot
Stock hose m8
I need a hand foam pump sprayer, thinking of the 2 litre IK foamer or the Kwazar 2 litre foamer. Which would you suggest is the better option please?
Probably the kwazar
All you need now for your channel is a Kranzel.
Jon, what BH product would you recommend applying to suspension components to keep the winter road salt at bay please? Would something like Dynax-UC be enough?
I don't know m8 one for bh
Is there any LSP on there John?
Nice, buy some white whool pads, then you can see all dirt what is left on paintwork And we can see :p
that sahara dust is so annoying, Im expecting it to rain water and it rains straight dirt on the car
I’ve always been a fan of BH Auto-foam. However, having seen this video, I might just convert to Touchless. 🤔
The issue you is you need so much product. In this video 250ml to 400ml of water is ridiculous. I'd rather use something like Koch Chemie Active foam at 100ml to 900ml water and achieve very similar results.
@@KiranPatel-fk1pg no you’ve misunderstood, similar volume for all snow foam… PIR panel
Impact ratio with that concentration it’s only 5 percent. As water at high presssure goes through the snow foam lance it’s not just the dilution of 1:10 etc it’s PIR that matters
@@Shusein I'm well aware of snow foam dilution vs PIR. But other companies states 1:10 simply because they know that will be enough once gone through any pressure washer (high or low flow) in order to perform well. BH requires 5% PIR which is a ridiculous amount of products once it goes through any pressure washer. As you can see Jon used 250ml to 400ml of water for his medium flowing Karcher k7 I believe. That amount of product is ridiculous and is probably the reason why it's cheap.
So if i am understanding you correct you say 50 - 50 for really dirty and 30 - 70 for regular wash (weekendwash)?
Yes mate
61st from Seattle!
Doesn't this strip waxes though?