I had a week's worth of dirt/salt on my car and yesterday I sprayed surfex hd on lower panels and wheels and covered that with touchless for 10 mins. I then rinsed with a karcher K5 and every bit of dirt came off. I didn't need to contact wash afterwards but did anyway. Bilt hamber is amazing stuff. I've just discovered valetpro snow seal but it didn't arrive in time to use it. Hope it's good. Thanks for your tips Jon, I've learnt so much from your videos.
having just bought Touchless and Surfex HD for the first time but not tried them yet, can I ask what dilution rate (if any) you use with the SHD and do you spray it onto dry dirty panels or do you jet wash the main dirt off beforehand?
@@grahamsmith9788 I've always used surfex hd 50/50 for bodywork and wheels but you can go lower, but find this gives best results. My method is jetwash body first to get rid of any looser dirt, then I spray surfex on and leave it for up to 5 mins before rinsing off. The more stubborn dirt I agitate with a soft detailing brush. Hope this helps.
I've used both for the past couple of years. Touchless requires a much higher ratio of product and gets used twice as fast Autofoam. Touchless works better on winter grime and Autofoam is better on summer grime. For me Autofoam is a lot cheaper and a better all rounder
My van got a blast of touch less today... It's first time ever and hasn't had a wash for maybe 12 years... I'm sold on it as with Bilt hamber products... Really impressed
Used both but touch less is slightly better but the best way to use this and the biggest tip is to put it on a dry car DO NOT rinse the car down before snow foaming
The only exception is if you have caked on layers of mud, on a offroader or if you’ve been on country roads, you’d want to pressure wash as much of the chunky stuff. If it’s just road film I agree, always spray product on a dry panel
Nice one Job 👍🏼 I’ve been using BH Touch-less for over a year now and it’s mega as you’ve just demonstrated 👍🏼 My absolute “Go To” product especially during the winter months 👍🏼
I agree, I've used both extensively this year. Touchless just seems to have a touch more oomph. I will say that on a subjective level I kind of prefer using Autofoam, I'm not a fan of the streaking/drying you can get with touchless in warmer weathers but from a pure efficiency perspective Touchless has it beat.
I used Touchless on my car yesterday. It was the dirtiest I've ever seen it, given the dirt on the roads and frozen water hose. Used my pressure washer closer than John obviously and all the dirt came off. Car only needed a wipe over with Bilt Hamber Auto QD (10% solution) and looks brand new. Amazing products. Thanks for another great video John.
I appreciate you Jon and your Mad Genius reviews, your singing and your sense of humor. You could do stand up comedy👍 Better yet have your own talk show talking and hosting guest about Car care and detailing 🤜🏽
Just did a 600 mile round trip over the weekend. Thought I'd do my own test as I had both products. Half the car 5% touchless other half 4% Autofoam. Both sides were very clean afterwards and I wouldn't complain about either one. I did some swabs and found the Autofoam side was cleaner, I personally think it's down to what sort of road grime builds up. My car is generally washed weekly so never really dirty, for that reason I'll stick to Autofoam for the price and need less product in the lance.
So I add 5 oz of either of these in my IK Foam Pro 12 and a gallon of distilled for pre-wash before it goes through the good touch-free wash near my work and it comes out perfect everytime! I go around the car twice, let dwell and go get in line or sometimes I don't have to wait. I have a battery powered air compressor attached to the unit for constant foaming action all the way around, works great and gets alot of attention by other patrions🤔😉
As a pro detailer of many years who has connections all over the industry i can honestly say you wont find a many pros with just one snow foam.. and you wont find many with the same opinions. These aren't bad foams, particularly Touchless but they aint the best and they are FAR from the best value. So why then is touchless in my arsenal? Because in winter if you simply want the best possible non contact wash then its up there. For contact washing there are better products. Personal favourites KKD Blizzard, Koch GSF and Koch AF, (yes you need both same as B/H) and ProKleen cherry which is with my set up so cost effective. It all depends on your set up is the reality imo. I've never got on with Magifoam personally, but i know others who swear by it! Great work as always John.
I find contact wash products you can literally use anything. so I mainly go for pure shampoos with very low cost per wash. Ive yet to find anything that beats the 1900:1 car chem shampoo when its like 12 quid for 5 litres.
way up in North Scotland I seem to think touch less is awesome in the summer for dissolving bugs etc but in the winter with LOADS of salt etc Autofoam works better, even almost as a touchless wash. Granted I go in heavy with the product but definitely think it works better in winter up here.
I've run both for about two years, back when I was commuting everyday. The film the autofoam leaves I find a pig to get off but i only had a tiny pressure washer so likely that was it. Now I've got a Nilfisk so maybe that will sway me back but only used that once and need to get the bits to join up the foam cannon again (only a cheapo ebay one as well). However i don' t drive much anymore yet I still find Touchless easier to use and gives better results. I now throw a citrus cleaner (MileDeep) underneath it just for the extra oomph and its so easy. Once autofoam runs out I won't be buying again and that 2 quid extra for touchless is worth it to me all day long. I stand by this result you demo'd on both grimy and lesser-grimey cars and also to your previous tests which showed the same. (which is why i tried touchless in the first place!)
Why, oh why, didn’t you release this video a week ago? Just bought 10 litres of Auto Foam! 😖 Ruined my Christmas……….. 😫 😉 Hope you have a good one though John. All the best. 🎄
Touch less has just been bought as my M3 has been in hibernation and near show season - 1st wash is always as non contact as possible so this will be ideal - cheers buddy
Touchless all the way, I use 120ml and 380 water for my mjjc and find that's the best all round mix for my weekly/fortnightly wash 👌 also really like infinity wax powerfoam it's just as good and well worth a review Jon!!
Touchless for the win! It’s such a great prewash. I use it in a pump sprayer and rinse with a garden hose often as a pre rinse to rinseless wash. I don’t want to drag out the pressure washer and this does great.
I was using good quality car wash as touchless and I thought it was doing ok. Untill I watched your videos and go the BH touchless , wow the car was shining , and this is a car which has never been cared for apart from 1 yearly contact wash and 3 months touchless
have both the autofoam & the touchless due to both your vids & also they are well praised by 2 of the local shops who stock it ( both of whom have trouble keeping the stuff intstock at times it sells so well lol ) My only gripe with bilt hamber is the amount you have to use to get the desired results - 300-400ml or thereabouts i think it works out to which means you chug through the 5L's in short order. i have been through many variations of foams from many, MANY companies & until recently i still reverted back to bilt hamber if the car was dirty enough that it required it but i may have found a new weapon of choice for both heavy winter & regular washes - 30-50ml of Koch Chemie Active Foam & topped off to 1L with water for the regular washes depending on dirt level ( the handier version of the GSF + Green Star combo - saves you having to find both bottles & mix ur own brew lol ) & for the heavier needs, 100ml of Koch Chemie Super Foam to 900ml of water in the lance , i was ashamed of the colour of the foam dropping off the car on tuesday this week with this stuff lol - OK it still needed a contact wash to get the final bits just like your bilt hamber results show ( but my god was my car filthy compaed to your car here lol ) but it was clean enough after 1 4minute dwell and rinse that i would have happily rinsed & driven off if needed ( it shifted 95% of the dirt at least & that included some that the pressure washer failed to shift on one side of the car after an impromptue 50/50 pre-rinse vs no pre-rinse test seen as i could easily try it out that day lol ) - instead of being left at that it got a soapy wash with a foam cannon full of Angelwax Dark Star Atomic Shampoo & follwed up with a couple of coats of spray & rinse sealants ( valet pro snow seal & koch chemie protector wax to cover any missed spots ) so should be good enough to keep the protection topped up till next wash OK the koch chemie superfoam may be pricey compared with the bilt hamber ( Around the £85-£90 mark for a 10L tub but you use much less per wash compared with touchless etc ( assuming i am using bilt hamber stuff correctly obviously ) that the price per wash is a fair bit cheaper option overall for the koch super foam, ( my dodgy maths says around £46 for 10L of touchless vs nearly double that for 10L of the koch superfoam ( lets go above high end pricing on it to make it easier mental calcs ) but if i am using 300-400ml per wash of touchless & 100ml per wash of koch then the touchless will be gone & in need of more when i still have well over 50% of the koch superfoam left so to my mind it makes it the cheaper option overall - OK long payoff time but still lol it would be interesting to see how the Superfoam ( and the Active Foam too ) compared against the bilt hamber duo in one of your shootouts one day just to see how the koch meateier offerings fair against your onslaught of tests :D
Use BH through a pump up sprayer. Get the same results. Use less. However I use a superior method to working PIR out which means I always get to put in straight 100% BH product in but dial back my canon to 4% PIR which uses less product and gives me foam for when the weather turns hot. It’s brilliant and so economical.
Meturtleglym here lol its Joe and as usual a great vid with a fantastic breakdown no pun intended touchless is the one and I also have 8 below from wax planet which is decent, I must try the surfact HD though keep up the great work and God bless ya dude
I switched to touch less earlier this year Jon and didn't like it as much as auto foam. I ran out of it last week and choose to go back to auto foam. I feel it gets my car cleaned better that touch less. Its mad how different people get different results 😁 two very good products 👌
After testing and retesting. Surfex HD 1:10 6ltr pressurised all over. AutoFoam 1:3. All that winter grime gone. The key is the pressured sprayer, gets into all the nooks and crannies.
Used both and touch less seems to have just the edge on auto foam I also mix Surfex HD into the touchless but only in the winter as I’ve noticed this mix in the summer can dry leaving residue very quickly
Interesting vid how about mixing the two products together to see what you get also what do you think about the P&S bead maker and dream maker that has been shown by pan the organizer it would be great to see what you think of it yourself Merry Christmas buddy
Very interesting and good content as always. I was just thinking though wouldn't the drivers side have more dirt and such on it? Auto foam side? Hope you have a fab Xmas and thanks for all the detailing content
Both times I have used this it has left streaks on the wifes black car and it removes the protection. I am following the instructions and using a slightly lower ratio...help!
Haven't tried BILT amber because I'm huge fan of Koch Active foam and super foam the only products that gets my Canadian winter thick salty mud car cleaned before I touch it.
Just bought another 5er of autofoam cause it just works in my world. Is touhless realy better? I trust bhaf for not eating my waxes even if I go with natural ones like zymols. How bhtl compares to bhaf for safe for wax category? I know your opinion Jon, also understand, we are not protecting lsp but the paint. But I find bhaf just super good - after a hand wash I have only a minor dirt in a bucket, like really minor or non in a summer. I've got a bunch of super charged products like range of apcs and acidic or alkaline pre-washes but I just find it an overkill for my cars with regular maintenance and always wearing a decent protection.
I haven't tried BH Touchless yet, and there is a lot more than £2 difference everywhere I try to buy it. I am very happy with autofoam though, it doesn't matter how dirty my car is, a good pre wash, then autofoam, gets everything off apart from tar, and I hardly need to contact wash (although I always do).
I've used auto foam for a number of years now. I use it on our BMW, my works van and also an ATV I use for work. I have found nothing on the market which beat it. The ATV in particular can be absolutely hanging with mud, peat and pine needles. A quick spray with BH and a blast with my power washer and it comes up like new. The mud just slides off it. Fantastic stuff. I'm due to order more so may try the Touchless this time.
I do car detailing on weekend.. i tested this product on my personal driveway.. it removes the dirt well, but i still had to use a different soap for a second pass to really remove the dirts.. one thing i find annoying with this product is that my driveway turned all brown after the wash. That brown marks on the asphalt won't go away… . i had to use over $15 worth of degreaser to remove the brown on the driveway. After washing a car, the last thing i want to do is to wash the driveway. Im not sure im happy with the product since i mainly wash on private asphalt
I am nearly running out of auto-foam, so like many here I am looking forward to trying touch-less. I would like to also try touch-on together with it, but for some reason these satchets were never made available in my area. I do a pre-soak using Surfex HD, then cover it up with auto-foam. I am ashamed to say I never tried to work out the correct PIR, I just mix 1:9 into my foam cannon bottle and it works for me. I also use auto-wash, atom-mac and auto-wheel. You can recognize John's influence on me haha. I do try and use products from different brands, but BH is my default choice.
Unless your foam lance uses a lot of concentrate per litre of water it puts out, that sounds like a very weak mix, probably in the region of 1% PIR. I imagine the Surfex HD is what's helping you shift the heavier dirt however that product will degrade any wax/protection a lot quicker. My PA foam lance dilutes whatever is in the bottle at 1:9. So I mix my foam bottle at about 1:3 (150ml in a 600ml bottle) which gives about 2.5% PIR. If the car is really dirty with salt, I'll use over 4% PIR. I'll only go as low as 1.6% PIR for very light summer washes. John/Jon has also influenced me heavily, my garage is mainly full of BH stuff now. I recommend their quick detailer both as a drying aid and as detailer.
@@christopher4636 Thanks for replying Chris. I see i should really do the PIR test with my cannon - it is not a complicated procedure after all. I never suspected my auto-foam solution was too weak, it was still pretty soapy and covered the surfaces well. Surfex HD I use dilluted 1:19, I hope that is not too agressive against the LSPs - even if, coming again from Jon's school of though, I guess I prefer removing dirt vs. protecting the protection :) Noted with the QD - still on my to-buy list of BH products. I lately use detailing sprays almost exclusively as drying aid after a proper wash, I am still concerned too much using these as a band-aid between regular washes.
@@RedXcz No problem. Yes well worth testing your foam lance. Well if you're getting good results then why change I guess. I use Surfex HD at 1:9 but only when I'm cleaning sills or areas I'm about to clay and polish. Yes I'm the same, the only time I'll use them is on a car clean of dirt, so just as a drying aid or water spot remover. I can't bring myself to spray QD on and drag dirt over a panel even with a microfibre cloth. I do however use Atom-mac on my sills when they're covered in road salt and don't have time to wash it off.
I’ve just bought AF and TL. Was planning on using AF in the winter (as thought it was stronger) and then TL for the summer washes when I do my car every week (or two).
I had maybe a 80/100 miles of dirt on my E46 M3 today from having to use it to get to work over the past week, used a new citrus pre wash from infinity wax that I got from xs stock for a steal, pleasantly surprised with its performance. Then I used my usual auto finesse snow foam and then my go to meguiars gold class shampoo and then the auto finesse ceramic foam spray to finish off. Im really eager to use some new products and binge watched many of your uploads recently, I’ve always just bought 80% autofinesse products over the past few years as I like their logo and designs mainly 😆 I really need to broaden my horizons.
I've got both the auto foam and touchless i find the touchless bit better for winter road grime and the auto foam better for summer i use h d d road rage 1:8 in a i k sprayer pro (6 l) first then blanket the touchless over the top without rinsing first with the pressure washer works a treat then contact wash then valet pro snow seal great product 👌
I haven’t tried touch less I was tempted to a couple of weeks ago when I topped up my derailing products but auto foam works so so well for me I just thought …, well why change it and I’ve used auto foam for over 5 years but I believe touch less is equally as good maybe better like you say because you won’t find a bad bilt hamber product the brand is absolutely flawless
Touchless certainly rinses off much easier. One quick pass with a pressure washer at a fair distance and it's rinsed. However it doesn't have the lovely smell of auto foam but it certainly doesn't smell unpleasant like auto wheels.
got touchless and i love it but very expensive here in Australia it is ridiculous how much these companies charge, so i use surfex and it is about 30% more powerful than touchless and it's cheaper. Thanks for the videos
I've only ever used autofoam and found that is does virtually nothing, even if you fill the cannon neat (which I tried today). I lost my rag and followed up with some diluted surfex in the cannon, now that did the trick.
With BH touchless and GT v2 snowfoam both being sugar based what do you think is the best value. I think GT can be used at a lower concentration but cost £35 where as BH probably uses more per wash but is only £23 now. Be interesting to know what’s better value long term and what works the best
Evening Jon..... Yes.. Your video endorsed my view.... This time if year the touchless seems to do the trick.... Keep up the great shows..... Your. Advice and demos always paves the way for me anyways....... Oh one question If I may...... A good carpet and upholstery vac..... Can you recommend one please Jon.... regards Owen
Currently binge watching your videos on car detailing (subscribed) and I’m finding them extremely helpful. I’m planning on trying Touch-less then Touch-On but I’ve previously been using Meguiar’s Hybrid Ceramic Detailer after a wash. Would this still be ok/beneficial to use after Touch-on or would Touch-on simply replace the need to use the Meguiar’s product?
I've tried lots of different brands snow foam. B H Touch less wins over B H snow foam for me. It's more expensive and finishes way quicker but leaves the best finish. 2 of our vehicles are ceramic coated but I dilute the product right down.
I used to use Autoglym Snow Foam but wasn't overly impressed. In the cold weather it was still on my drive 24 hours later. Lots of people on your Forensic Detailing Channel recommended BH Touchless. Been using it for over a year and love it.
same here, autoglym was a lovely foam to take pics of while its dwelling but little to no cleaning actions performed :( ( & erm, yeah, it hangs around for ages on the floor afterwards lol - my record for it lingering in the gutter after a wash is 3 and a bit days before it had gone fully ) will have to use up my stockpile of it at some point by using the pre-spray some citrus / TFR etc first before adding the foam ontop method or adding some koch chemie green star to the autoglym foam in the lance to see if it spices that up like it does the koch chemie gentle snow foam :D ( sadly though its not just autoglym, i have many other snowfoams too that are nice to look at while they dwell but they have no other positives with regards the cleaning power when compared to proper dirt shifting foams :( )
Every time I see one of your videos on Bilt Hamber products I get excited and go check prices (I'm in America), unfortunately looks like we're still paying well over double the price. I'm sure shipping chemicals is expensive. I wonder if BH will ever open a plant here to get the US market, because they'll never get it at current prices.
Salut, M-ar interesa și pe mine un bidon de spuma activa pentru spălarea mașini, as dori ceva de calitate să nu am probleme cu coroziunea sau să îmi afecteze vopseaua etc...ce mi-ați recomanda?
Normally it’s the other way around on BH forums. People seem to think Autofoam is better on Winter grime than Touchless and some even rotate between the two.
Another great video, looking for a product for my winter washes... not being critical but is your beautiful E36 not already ceramic/polished coated? if so then this video is helpful but not true to the majority of us..Thanks for the content
Must admit I don’t find these snowfoams are the revelation some comments would have you believe. We live rurally so even in summer my wife’s black Abarth gets a golden muck layer around the lower sections. Touchless gets some of it off but not a whole load more than just blasting it with the jet wash. It’s certainly not gone without a contact wash, put it that way. 🤔
I live rural and can recommend touchless in conjuction with touch on (4 week applications) touchless still requires contact wash but 85% of dirt gone. If local farmers are using feeds with molasses in then it creates sticky residue that can be very difficult to remove.
@@ForensicDetailing Being honest you probably have a point there Jon. I haven’t given it anything other than a quick coat of Black Hole earlier in the year. I’ll sort it in the spring. Have a great Xmas matey. I love the vids. Best one ever was when your wife came and told you off in the garage. “Jon, you have responsibilities Jon”. 😂 Fantastic and fair play for leaving that in. All the best. 👍🏻
@@simonjames2855 Cheers Simon I’ll look into that. It was my wife’s daily driver but she works from home now so I’ve no excuse for not keeping it a bit more pampered. 😉
I may be the first to find BH foam cleaners average😐 I’ve tried applications at different strengths but I find them average at best. One product I have been impressed with is Karcher’s ‘touchless’ VehiclePro Foam Cleaner RM 838. Price differs dependent upon the limited retailers that sell it and it is oddly available in 1, 3 and 20 litre volumes.
I use Koch-Chemie Vorreiniger B (VBN) and find this to be effective, But have not tried Bilt-Hamber - Touchless. Don't know if Koch-Chemie VBN is available where you live yet. But it would have been interesting to see a comparison with Koch-Chemie VBN, Bilt-Hamber - Touchless and Bilt-Hamber Surfex HD Not sure it will be fair and compare with Bilt Hamber Surfex HD
I was using AutoFoam yesterday and it was seeming to strip some of the protection off the vehicle. I had applied some Gyeon ceramic detailer, 4 days prior and washed the vehicle yesterday. On the initial rinse, no foam used yet, the beads were really tight and really good. After applying autofoam, letting it dwell for 5 mins and rinsing, the beads were noticeably a lot worse. Is this as a result of that film you were talking about? Cheers.
Auto foam is very strong, that's why you've seen this. It's around ph14 which is a high alkaline, so will impact protection. It's also cheap for a reason.
aren't you cross contaminating by using the same finger to check the film done with different products after jet washing the car? Not sure if the dwell times are equal as they seem pretty quick...then there is the roof...what did you use on that? Can you use the touchless as an APC on the tyres?
about 5% faster than a PH neutral ( plus or minus 50% error ) how quickly a prewash degreades LSP is not really a factor although the industry will tell you it is.
Hiya Jon been away for a long time been very ill died and the wife resuscitated me 3 months in hospital new pig heart valve and bypass and now recovering. Self employed so o my knees with money so had to cut out all unnecessary costs. Anyway have you tried clean your car snow foam? I find it better than Bilt hamber touchless
Such a breath of fresh air your videos compared to the other 1000 boring detailers that put videos out that send you to sleep!
I had a week's worth of dirt/salt on my car and yesterday I sprayed surfex hd on lower panels and wheels and covered that with touchless for 10 mins. I then rinsed with a karcher K5 and every bit of dirt came off. I didn't need to contact wash afterwards but did anyway. Bilt hamber is amazing stuff. I've just discovered valetpro snow seal but it didn't arrive in time to use it. Hope it's good. Thanks for your tips Jon, I've learnt so much from your videos.
Agreed, Jon's videos have been brilliant.
having just bought Touchless and Surfex HD for the first time but not tried them yet, can I ask what dilution rate (if any) you use with the SHD and do you spray it onto dry dirty panels or do you jet wash the main dirt off beforehand?
@@grahamsmith9788 I've always used surfex hd 50/50 for bodywork and wheels but you can go lower, but find this gives best results. My method is jetwash body first to get rid of any looser dirt, then I spray surfex on and leave it for up to 5 mins before rinsing off. The more stubborn dirt I agitate with a soft detailing brush. Hope this helps.
@@stephenjames6534 cheers, very helpful 👍
Have u tried adding surfex HD to your touchless snowfoam solution see if it gives same result?
I've used both for the past couple of years. Touchless requires a much higher ratio of product and gets used twice as fast Autofoam. Touchless works better on winter grime and Autofoam is better on summer grime. For me Autofoam is a lot cheaper and a better all rounder
Because of YOU Jon I'm the biggest fan boy of Bilt-Hamber products on Autogeek😇
My van got a blast of touch less today... It's first time ever and hasn't had a wash for maybe 12 years... I'm sold on it as with Bilt hamber products... Really impressed
I got the touchless based on your videos. It’s fantastic and always does an excellent job.
Used both but touch less is slightly better but the best way to use this and the biggest tip is to put it on a dry car DO NOT rinse the car down before snow foaming
your preeching to the converted there mate Ive done videos on this.
The only exception is if you have caked on layers of mud, on a offroader or if you’ve been on country roads, you’d want to pressure wash as much of the chunky stuff. If it’s just road film I agree, always spray product on a dry panel
I'd love to see a video where you show how to setup your foam lance to achieve the correct PIR ratio and achieve a decent foam covering.
I’d also like to see this
Nice one Job 👍🏼 I’ve been using BH Touch-less for over a year now and it’s mega as you’ve just demonstrated 👍🏼 My absolute “Go To” product especially during the winter months 👍🏼
I agree, I've used both extensively this year. Touchless just seems to have a touch more oomph. I will say that on a subjective level I kind of prefer using Autofoam, I'm not a fan of the streaking/drying you can get with touchless in warmer weathers but from a pure efficiency perspective Touchless has it beat.
Thanks for the comparison Jon, got auto foam on your recommendation a few years ago but have run out. I'll get touchless now
I used Touchless on my car yesterday. It was the dirtiest I've ever seen it, given the dirt on the roads and frozen water hose. Used my pressure washer closer than John obviously and all the dirt came off. Car only needed a wipe over with Bilt Hamber Auto QD (10% solution) and looks brand new. Amazing products. Thanks for another great video John.
I appreciate you Jon and your Mad Genius reviews, your singing and your sense of humor. You could do stand up comedy👍 Better yet have your own talk show talking and hosting guest about Car care and detailing 🤜🏽
Such a good value product and agree touch less is best for general use. It’s better environmentally as well.
I use touch less. My car was FILTHY hadn’t been cleaned in weeks due to weather and it did a FANTASTIC job first time round.
Just did a 600 mile round trip over the weekend. Thought I'd do my own test as I had both products.
Half the car 5% touchless other half 4% Autofoam.
Both sides were very clean afterwards and I wouldn't complain about either one.
I did some swabs and found the Autofoam side was cleaner, I personally think it's down to what sort of road grime builds up.
My car is generally washed weekly so never really dirty, for that reason I'll stick to Autofoam for the price and need less product in the lance.
So I add 5 oz of either of these in my IK Foam Pro 12 and a gallon of distilled for pre-wash before it goes through the good touch-free wash near my work and it comes out perfect everytime! I go around the car twice, let dwell and go get in line or sometimes I don't have to wait. I have a battery powered air compressor attached to the unit for constant foaming action all the way around, works great and gets alot of attention by other patrions🤔😉
Thank god for that, I’ve just bought touchless after running out of auto foam, can’t wait to use it now. Great review 👍
As a pro detailer of many years who has connections all over the industry i can honestly say you wont find a many pros with just one snow foam.. and you wont find many with the same opinions. These aren't bad foams, particularly Touchless but they aint the best and they are FAR from the best value. So why then is touchless in my arsenal? Because in winter if you simply want the best possible non contact wash then its up there. For contact washing there are better products. Personal favourites KKD Blizzard, Koch GSF and Koch AF, (yes you need both same as B/H) and ProKleen cherry which is with my set up so cost effective. It all depends on your set up is the reality imo. I've never got on with Magifoam personally, but i know others who swear by it! Great work as always John.
I find contact wash products you can literally use anything. so I mainly go for pure shampoos with very low cost per wash. Ive yet to find anything that beats the 1900:1 car chem shampoo when its like 12 quid for 5 litres.
@@ForensicDetailing Thanks will try the car chem one.
way up in North Scotland I seem to think touch less is awesome in the summer for dissolving bugs etc but in the winter with LOADS of salt etc Autofoam works better, even almost as a touchless wash. Granted I go in heavy with the product but definitely think it works better in winter up here.
I like the Touchless coz it rinses off easier than Auto foam. Tend to use Auto foam when doing a decon 👍
I've run both for about two years, back when I was commuting everyday. The film the autofoam leaves I find a pig to get off but i only had a tiny pressure washer so likely that was it. Now I've got a Nilfisk so maybe that will sway me back but only used that once and need to get the bits to join up the foam cannon again (only a cheapo ebay one as well). However i don' t drive much anymore yet I still find Touchless easier to use and gives better results. I now throw a citrus cleaner (MileDeep) underneath it just for the extra oomph and its so easy. Once autofoam runs out I won't be buying again and that 2 quid extra for touchless is worth it to me all day long. I stand by this result you demo'd on both grimy and lesser-grimey cars and also to your previous tests which showed the same. (which is why i tried touchless in the first place!)
Why, oh why, didn’t you release this video a week ago? Just bought 10 litres of Auto Foam! 😖 Ruined my Christmas……….. 😫 😉 Hope you have a good one though John. All the best. 🎄
Touch less has just been bought as my M3 has been in hibernation and near show season - 1st wash is always as non contact as possible so this will be ideal - cheers buddy
Thx u
Touchless all the way, I use 120ml and 380 water for my mjjc and find that's the best all round mix for my weekly/fortnightly wash 👌 also really like infinity wax powerfoam it's just as good and well worth a review Jon!!
These cost nearly $70 here in the US. I’m jealous you guys get them for so cheap
I have used both products also. I’m with you. The Touchless gets it a bit cleaner than Auto Foam.
I’ve tried both and seem to get better results with autofoam. Might try leaving touch less on for a bit longer. Also have a white car .
Touchless for the win! It’s such a great prewash. I use it in a pump sprayer and rinse with a garden hose often as a pre rinse to rinseless wash. I don’t want to drag out the pressure washer and this does great.
Touchless and touch on the perfect ratio for winter with a bit of auto wash between the touch on washes
I was using good quality car wash as touchless and I thought it was doing ok. Untill I watched your videos and go the BH touchless , wow the car was shining , and this is a car which has never been cared for apart from 1 yearly contact wash and 3 months touchless
have both the autofoam & the touchless due to both your vids & also they are well praised by 2 of the local shops who stock it ( both of whom have trouble keeping the stuff intstock at times it sells so well lol )
My only gripe with bilt hamber is the amount you have to use to get the desired results - 300-400ml or thereabouts i think it works out to which means you chug through the 5L's in short order.
i have been through many variations of foams from many, MANY companies & until recently i still reverted back to bilt hamber if the car was dirty enough that it required it but i may have found a new weapon of choice for both heavy winter & regular washes - 30-50ml of Koch Chemie Active Foam & topped off to 1L with water for the regular washes depending on dirt level ( the handier version of the GSF + Green Star combo - saves you having to find both bottles & mix ur own brew lol ) & for the heavier needs, 100ml of Koch Chemie Super Foam to 900ml of water in the lance , i was ashamed of the colour of the foam dropping off the car on tuesday this week with this stuff lol - OK it still needed a contact wash to get the final bits just like your bilt hamber results show ( but my god was my car filthy compaed to your car here lol ) but it was clean enough after 1 4minute dwell and rinse that i would have happily rinsed & driven off if needed ( it shifted 95% of the dirt at least & that included some that the pressure washer failed to shift on one side of the car after an impromptue 50/50 pre-rinse vs no pre-rinse test seen as i could easily try it out that day lol ) - instead of being left at that it got a soapy wash with a foam cannon full of Angelwax Dark Star Atomic Shampoo & follwed up with a couple of coats of spray & rinse sealants ( valet pro snow seal & koch chemie protector wax to cover any missed spots ) so should be good enough to keep the protection topped up till next wash
OK the koch chemie superfoam may be pricey compared with the bilt hamber ( Around the £85-£90 mark for a 10L tub but you use much less per wash compared with touchless etc ( assuming i am using bilt hamber stuff correctly obviously ) that the price per wash is a fair bit cheaper option overall for the koch super foam, ( my dodgy maths says around £46 for 10L of touchless vs nearly double that for 10L of the koch superfoam ( lets go above high end pricing on it to make it easier mental calcs ) but if i am using 300-400ml per wash of touchless & 100ml per wash of koch then the touchless will be gone & in need of more when i still have well over 50% of the koch superfoam left so to my mind it makes it the cheaper option overall - OK long payoff time but still lol
it would be interesting to see how the Superfoam ( and the Active Foam too ) compared against the bilt hamber duo in one of your shootouts one day just to see how the koch meateier offerings fair against your onslaught of tests :D
Use BH through a pump up sprayer. Get the same results. Use less.
However I use a superior method to working PIR out which means I always get to put in straight 100% BH product in but dial back my canon to 4% PIR which uses less product and gives me foam for when the weather turns hot. It’s brilliant and so economical.
Meturtleglym here lol its Joe and as usual a great vid with a fantastic breakdown no pun intended touchless is the one and I also have 8 below from wax planet which is decent, I must try the surfact HD though keep up the great work and God bless ya dude
I switched to touch less earlier this year Jon and didn't like it as much as auto foam. I ran out of it last week and choose to go back to auto foam. I feel it gets my car cleaned better that touch less. Its mad how different people get different results 😁 two very good products 👌
Agree on TL doing a better cleaning job, not a whole lot in it but enough to be noticeable and overall worth the extra few quid.
BH Touchless is awesome ❤️
So glad I just ordered some Touchless to clean my nasty MK8 GTI. Only downside is it’s super expensive in the US. Almost $60 before shipping!!
After testing and retesting. Surfex HD 1:10 6ltr pressurised all over. AutoFoam 1:3. All that winter grime gone. The key is the pressured sprayer, gets into all the nooks and crannies.
I mix all three together with 50ml of Restart it turns into really impressive stuff.
Excellent video as always Jon.
Loving Touchless at the min
I’ve recently started watching your excellent videos and also started using Auto Foam and have to say it’s brilliant
Used both and touch less seems to have just the edge on auto foam
I also mix Surfex HD into the touchless but only in the winter as I’ve noticed this mix in the summer can dry leaving residue very quickly
Interesting vid how about mixing the two products together to see what you get also what do you think about the P&S bead maker and dream maker that has been shown by pan the organizer it would be great to see what you think of it yourself
Merry Christmas buddy
Still find touchless the best especially when used in conjunction with touch on. I also use optimum's gloss enhancer as drying agent.
I'll be buying the Touchless , Cheers Jon Great Video!
Very interesting and good content as always. I was just thinking though wouldn't the drivers side have more dirt and such on it? Auto foam side? Hope you have a fab Xmas and thanks for all the detailing content
Passenger side is worse … arches are always far more caked out on that side … wheels Also.
Both times I have used this it has left streaks on the wifes black car and it removes the protection. I am following the instructions and using a slightly lower ratio...help!
Haven't tried BILT amber because I'm huge fan of Koch Active foam and super foam the only products that gets my Canadian winter thick salty mud car cleaned before I touch it.
Just bought 5 litres of Touchless 😎
Maybe you could use some white make-up pads to better show how much dirt is left on each panel? Just a thought
Jst got some auto foam so will see how it goes….Jst waiting for a dry day….Think there’s bit more than £2 difference between the 2 foams tho….🤔😉
Just bought another 5er of autofoam cause it just works in my world. Is touhless realy better? I trust bhaf for not eating my waxes even if I go with natural ones like zymols. How bhtl compares to bhaf for safe for wax category?
I know your opinion Jon, also understand, we are not protecting lsp but the paint. But I find bhaf just super good - after a hand wash I have only a minor dirt in a bucket, like really minor or non in a summer.
I've got a bunch of super charged products like range of apcs and acidic or alkaline pre-washes but I just find it an overkill for my cars with regular maintenance and always wearing a decent protection.
I haven't tried BH Touchless yet, and there is a lot more than £2 difference everywhere I try to buy it.
I am very happy with autofoam though, it doesn't matter how dirty my car is, a good pre wash, then autofoam, gets everything off apart from tar, and I hardly need to contact wash (although I always do).
I've used auto foam for a number of years now. I use it on our BMW, my works van and also an ATV I use for work.
I have found nothing on the market which beat it. The ATV in particular can be absolutely hanging with mud, peat and pine needles. A quick spray with BH and a blast with my power washer and it comes up like new. The mud just slides off it.
Fantastic stuff. I'm due to order more so may try the Touchless this time.
I do car detailing on weekend.. i tested this product on my personal driveway.. it removes the dirt well, but i still had to use a different soap for a second pass to really remove the dirts.. one thing i find annoying with this product is that my driveway turned all brown after the wash. That brown marks on the asphalt won't go away… . i had to use over $15 worth of degreaser to remove the brown on the driveway. After washing a car, the last thing i want to do is to wash the driveway. Im not sure im happy with the product since i mainly wash on private asphalt
I am nearly running out of auto-foam, so like many here I am looking forward to trying touch-less. I would like to also try touch-on together with it, but for some reason these satchets were never made available in my area.
I do a pre-soak using Surfex HD, then cover it up with auto-foam. I am ashamed to say I never tried to work out the correct PIR, I just mix 1:9 into my foam cannon bottle and it works for me.
I also use auto-wash, atom-mac and auto-wheel.
You can recognize John's influence on me haha.
I do try and use products from different brands, but BH is my default choice.
Unless your foam lance uses a lot of concentrate per litre of water it puts out, that sounds like a very weak mix, probably in the region of 1% PIR. I imagine the Surfex HD is what's helping you shift the heavier dirt however that product will degrade any wax/protection a lot quicker. My PA foam lance dilutes whatever is in the bottle at 1:9. So I mix my foam bottle at about 1:3 (150ml in a 600ml bottle) which gives about 2.5% PIR. If the car is really dirty with salt, I'll use over 4% PIR. I'll only go as low as 1.6% PIR for very light summer washes.
John/Jon has also influenced me heavily, my garage is mainly full of BH stuff now. I recommend their quick detailer both as a drying aid and as detailer.
@@christopher4636 Thanks for replying Chris. I see i should really do the PIR test with my cannon - it is not a complicated procedure after all.
I never suspected my auto-foam solution was too weak, it was still pretty soapy and covered the surfaces well.
Surfex HD I use dilluted 1:19, I hope that is not too agressive against the LSPs - even if, coming again from Jon's school of though, I guess I prefer removing dirt vs. protecting the protection :)
Noted with the QD - still on my to-buy list of BH products. I lately use detailing sprays almost exclusively as drying aid after a proper wash, I am still concerned too much using these as a band-aid between regular washes.
@@RedXcz No problem. Yes well worth testing your foam lance. Well if you're getting good results then why change I guess. I use Surfex HD at 1:9 but only when I'm cleaning sills or areas I'm about to clay and polish.
Yes I'm the same, the only time I'll use them is on a car clean of dirt, so just as a drying aid or water spot remover. I can't bring myself to spray QD on and drag dirt over a panel even with a microfibre cloth. I do however use Atom-mac on my sills when they're covered in road salt and don't have time to wash it off.
I’ve just bought AF and TL. Was planning on using AF in the winter (as thought it was stronger) and then TL for the summer washes when I do my car every week (or two).
Q. Having both and presumably tried both in summer and winter, which one do you use when? Cheers
I had maybe a 80/100 miles of dirt on my E46 M3 today from having to use it to get to work over the past week, used a new citrus pre wash from infinity wax that I got from xs stock for a steal, pleasantly surprised with its performance.
Then I used my usual auto finesse snow foam and then my go to meguiars gold class shampoo and then the auto finesse ceramic foam spray to finish off.
Im really eager to use some new products and binge watched many of your uploads recently, I’ve always just bought 80% autofinesse products over the past few years as I like their logo and designs mainly 😆
I really need to broaden my horizons.
Autofinnese are average. Bilt hamber, gyeon, wax planet, bouncers, are the best products along with garage therapy too
@@richlee509 Thanks Rich, bilt hamber from what I’ve seen on these uploads does seem to always perform.
Your rear wheel on the e36 has a missing centre cap, but your front passenger wheel has the BMW centre cap fitted.
Looks to be the badge
I've got both the auto foam and touchless i find the touchless bit better for winter road grime and the auto foam better for summer i use h d d road rage 1:8 in a i k sprayer pro (6 l) first then blanket the touchless over the top without rinsing first with the pressure washer works a treat then contact wash then valet pro snow seal great product 👌
I haven’t tried touch less I was tempted to a couple of weeks ago when I topped up my derailing products but auto foam works so so well for me I just thought …, well why change it and I’ve used auto foam for over 5 years but I believe touch less is equally as good maybe better like you say because you won’t find a bad bilt hamber product the brand is absolutely flawless
Touchless certainly rinses off much easier. One quick pass with a pressure washer at a fair distance and it's rinsed. However it doesn't have the lovely smell of auto foam but it certainly doesn't smell unpleasant like auto wheels.
Have you tried mixing the two together?
I hope auto foam wins after getting some for next year lol
got touchless and i love it but very expensive here in Australia it is ridiculous how much these companies charge, so i use surfex and it is about 30% more powerful than touchless and it's cheaper.
Thanks for the videos
So glad you have done this comparison! I was only thinking the other day about how these would perform.
I've only ever used autofoam and found that is does virtually nothing, even if you fill the cannon neat (which I tried today).
I lost my rag and followed up with some diluted surfex in the cannon, now that did the trick.
That's weird m8 it's very strong stuff.
With BH touchless and GT v2 snowfoam both being sugar based what do you think is the best value. I think GT can be used at a lower concentration but cost £35 where as BH probably uses more per wash but is only £23 now. Be interesting to know what’s better value long term and what works the best
Thanks Jon bilt Hamber Auto Foam better use then touchless in summer months?
Hi. Thanks for introducing this fantastic product. I have a question, what is the PH value of Touch less when you use 2% and 4%?
I'm not sure m8
Evening Jon..... Yes.. Your video endorsed my view.... This time if year the touchless seems to do the trick.... Keep up the great shows..... Your. Advice and demos always paves the way for me anyways....... Oh one question If I may...... A good carpet and upholstery vac..... Can you recommend one please Jon....
regards Owen
I don’t get it but won’t these soaps with solvents and higher pH levels destroy the wax you have on your car to protect it for the winter
Currently binge watching your videos on car detailing (subscribed) and I’m finding them extremely helpful. I’m planning on trying Touch-less then Touch-On but I’ve previously been using Meguiar’s Hybrid Ceramic Detailer after a wash. Would this still be ok/beneficial to use after Touch-on or would Touch-on simply replace the need to use the Meguiar’s product?
I've tried lots of different brands snow foam. B H Touch less wins over B H snow foam for me. It's more expensive and finishes way quicker but leaves the best finish. 2 of our vehicles are ceramic coated but I dilute the product right down.
I used to use Autoglym Snow Foam but wasn't overly impressed. In the cold weather it was still on my drive 24 hours later. Lots of people on your Forensic Detailing Channel recommended BH Touchless. Been using it for over a year and love it.
same here, autoglym was a lovely foam to take pics of while its dwelling but little to no cleaning actions performed :( ( & erm, yeah, it hangs around for ages on the floor afterwards lol - my record for it lingering in the gutter after a wash is 3 and a bit days before it had gone fully )
will have to use up my stockpile of it at some point by using the pre-spray some citrus / TFR etc first before adding the foam ontop method or adding some koch chemie green star to the autoglym foam in the lance to see if it spices that up like it does the koch chemie gentle snow foam :D ( sadly though its not just autoglym, i have many other snowfoams too that are nice to look at while they dwell but they have no other positives with regards the cleaning power when compared to proper dirt shifting foams :( )
Squid ink Alkafroth is a good one
Duel Aasult
Infinity wax powerfoam
Dodo juice i max
Labocosmetica
Every time I see one of your videos on Bilt Hamber products I get excited and go check prices (I'm in America), unfortunately looks like we're still paying well over double the price.
I'm sure shipping chemicals is expensive. I wonder if BH will ever open a plant here to get the US market, because they'll never get it at current prices.
Salut, M-ar interesa și pe mine un bidon de spuma activa pentru spălarea mașini, as dori ceva de calitate să nu am probleme cu coroziunea sau să îmi afecteze vopseaua etc...ce mi-ați recomanda?
Hi Jon. From what I have read……. Auto foam seems kinder to waxes. What are your thoughts ?
unknown mate. would need to test
Is there anything to be said for touch less being better for winter grime? And autofoam for summer?
in summer its more bugs and dust so no Im not sure that holds true.
Normally it’s the other way around on BH forums. People seem to think Autofoam is better on Winter grime than Touchless and some even rotate between the two.
Another great video, looking for a product for my winter washes... not being critical but is your beautiful E36 not already ceramic/polished coated? if so then this video is helpful but not true to the majority of us..Thanks for the content
its not coated no
Great video 😊
After touchless PRE wash would you still recommend another shampoo after ??
Cheers
Yes, absolutely mate contact wash afterwards with shampoo.
What kind of shampoo would recommend?
Jon, good stuff again, really enjoying your videos. If you wanted a Handheld Pressure Sprayer, do you have a recommendation. Cheers
I use IK 2 sprayers and foamers but Im not sure if they are that great.
@Forensic Detailing Channel Thanks Jon, if anyone else has any recommendations, please comment 😀
Must admit I don’t find these snowfoams are the revelation some comments would have you believe. We live rurally so even in summer my wife’s black Abarth gets a golden muck layer around the lower sections.
Touchless gets some of it off but not a whole load more than just blasting it with the jet wash. It’s certainly not gone without a contact wash, put it that way. 🤔
Might be lack of lsp m8. When I prewash my cars even when very dirty I get about 95% there roughly.
I live rural and can recommend touchless in conjuction with touch on (4 week applications) touchless still requires contact wash but 85% of dirt gone. If local farmers are using feeds with molasses in then it creates sticky residue that can be very difficult to remove.
@@ForensicDetailing
Being honest you probably have a point there Jon. I haven’t given it anything other than a quick coat of Black Hole earlier in the year. I’ll sort it in the spring.
Have a great Xmas matey. I love the vids. Best one ever was when your wife came and told you off in the garage. “Jon, you have responsibilities Jon”. 😂
Fantastic and fair play for leaving that in.
All the best. 👍🏻
@@simonjames2855
Cheers Simon I’ll look into that.
It was my wife’s daily driver but she works from home now so I’ve no excuse for not keeping it a bit more pampered. 😉
Any idea if these products are safe for ceramic coating & Xpel ?
I may be the first to find BH foam cleaners average😐 I’ve tried applications at different strengths but I find them average at best.
One product I have been impressed with is Karcher’s ‘touchless’ VehiclePro Foam Cleaner RM 838. Price differs dependent upon the limited retailers that sell it and it is oddly available in 1, 3 and 20 litre volumes.
at what dilution ratio plz
Dont forget that cars past you on the right side ,maybe get blast more on that side😊
I use Koch-Chemie Vorreiniger B (VBN) and find this to be effective, But have not tried Bilt-Hamber - Touchless.
Don't know if Koch-Chemie VBN is available where you live yet.
But it would have been interesting to see a comparison with Koch-Chemie VBN, Bilt-Hamber - Touchless and Bilt-Hamber Surfex HD
Not sure it will be fair and compare with Bilt Hamber Surfex HD
If you use one of the 5L pump sprayers how much touchless would you put in to water?
I was using AutoFoam yesterday and it was seeming to strip some of the protection off the vehicle. I had applied some Gyeon ceramic detailer, 4 days prior and washed the vehicle yesterday. On the initial rinse, no foam used yet, the beads were really tight and really good. After applying autofoam, letting it dwell for 5 mins and rinsing, the beads were noticeably a lot worse. Is this as a result of that film you were talking about? Cheers.
Auto foam is very strong, that's why you've seen this. It's around ph14 which is a high alkaline, so will impact protection. It's also cheap for a reason.
@forensicdetailingchannel would you say autofoam is better in summer conditions? I have ordered both
no Ive not noticed that.. In summer you can use anything really. main thing is dont let them dry.
What's the PIR of the 1:3 and 1:2 ratios you recommended?
These wheels must be a menace to clean
aren't you cross contaminating by using the same finger to check the film done with different products after jet washing the car? Not sure if the dwell times are equal as they seem pretty quick...then there is the roof...what did you use on that? Can you use the touchless as an APC on the tyres?
Lol sorry m8 seriously come on
@@ForensicDetailing legit questions here. Not being an idiot, just asking😂😂😂😂
No worries my friend
is touchless safe for ceramic coatings?
Is touchless safe on wax
Just wish Touchless wasn't $65 here in the USA
Hi, does the touchless remove polishes,ceramic coating or wax’s?
about 5% faster than a PH neutral ( plus or minus 50% error ) how quickly a prewash degreades LSP is not really a factor although the industry will tell you it is.
How would you compare q2m foam and these?
Where are you getting these for under £20 delivered???
Hiya Jon been away for a long time been very ill died and the wife resuscitated me 3 months in hospital new pig heart valve and bypass and now recovering. Self employed so o my knees with money so had to cut out all unnecessary costs. Anyway have you tried clean your car snow foam? I find it better than Bilt hamber touchless
hey buddy hope you have speedy recovery. I think many many years ago I tried the cyc one but I cant really remember it.
Is TL safe to use on carbon ceramic brakes? Cheers