David Ross - And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28, 17-20
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into. Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you. 1 Peter 1, 2-25
One thing I see about Adventists that believe in the trinity is that they feel comfortable leaning more towards twisting the writings of the Pioneers(Ellen as well) but not so much the Bible because the Scriptures Does not teach a trinity only a Father and Son Relationship. Question, if God is the Father of Christ and Christ is the Son of God, the Holy Spirit is what to the Father? The Brother and what is the Holy Spirit to the Son? The Uncle. If they are co-equal like the trinitarians believe Please explain to me what does Christ mean when He says “My Father is Greater than I” because no one believes that they are equal with their Father in Age
@@timoflink2686 the Father and Son relationship is real and it existed before the incarnation of Christ; Notice what Christ says in his Prayer to God (John 17:5) “And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” He’s addressing God as Father; before the world was created he was a Son. Christ says to Nicodemus referring to himself in John 3:17 “For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved” The Son was sent into the world; for confirmation of that Christ says in John 6:38 “For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me” Also notice what Solomon says in Proverbs 30:4 “Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?” Paul reveals what God Son name is in Ephesians 3:9 “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ” Understand All men whenever they Father a child(a Son) is the image and likeness of the Original just ask Adam( Gen 5:3-4) and Abraham( Heb 11:17) Now in reference to me saying is the Holy Spirit the Brother to God and Uncle to Christ I said this to make a person think. The Bible reveals there’s a family in Heaven; Ephesians 3:14-15 “For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, [15] Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named” A family consist of individuals who are related to each other and all have names my Question is: if the Holy Spirit is the third member of the Godhead how is he related to God and Christ? There’s no scripture at all saying or revealing how he’s a member of the family in Heaven( the Heavenly Family existed before the Earthly Family) plus He doesn’t even have a name because Holy Spirit is not a name, Holy is a adjective that describes what type of spirit it is
@@timoflink2686 The Father and Son relationship is Real; You are a Child to your Parents, they are greater or elder to you in age not nature. Your Parents are human like you are human. believe or not the Father is greater than Christ in age but he is equal with God in nature he is Divine like the Father is Divine
@@DonjohnsonBG Your view is a typical misinterpretation of what the Sonship means in the Scriptures. Please study this again because you make Christ less than eternal and less than God. One book you could take a look at is by Ty Gibson.
Thank you brother Kaiser for your testimony and your deep analysis of the development of the trinity in adventist history. It strengthened me a lot. God bless you for your humility.
Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. Acts 17, 22-31
You realize that Paul was speaking of God the father and no one else? Look up 1st Corinthians 8:6. That tells you who Polly speaking about when he says the word God . He's speaking about the Father alone.
@@he7is7at7hand Not so. Romans 8:26-27 (KJV) 26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. The Holy Spirit always leads to the written word. >> The Holy Spirit is a person; for He beareth witness with our spirits that we are the children of God. > He must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God.
@@he7is7at7hand Now you blatantly contradict both Ellen White and Scripture. The Holy Spirit is the third person of the Godhead. Thus said Ellen White.
Looks strange that it took a long time for prophet EGW to figure out Trinitarianism. If she is truly inspired, she should be able to teach Trinitarianism from the start. If a prophet is unsure about the identity of God, why is she chosen to reveal God? My second point is regarding atonement. According to your video, it is the human nature of Jesus that died on the cross. If it is the sinful nature that died, how can that sinful nature or blemished nature be worthy of sacrifice to perform the redemption. If it is the holy nature that died, how can anything that is holy dies? Either way, it doesn't match up. Hope you can answer my 2 questions.
Kelvin Lim Learned men ( theologians/ bible scholars ) distorting the Word of God to benefit their claims of trinity. If the denomination stood firm and did not alter the 1872 Fundamental Principles of SDA, there will be no trinity doctrine. Worship only belongs to God the Father and His only begotten Son whom He has sent. John 17:3. Trinity is the main reason the denomination is fragmented and the omega of apostasy has taken over the denomination.
Alphonso, I read the linked article and liked it much but have the following criticism. Those that reject the third person of the God head doctrine do so not because they disagree with what Ellen White wrote. They do so because they reject the individuality of that “person” being separated from Christ without whom there is no Holy Spirit at all. The person of the Holy Spirit is a personal character derived from Himself. So when a none trinitarian says he doesn’t believe in the third person we should know what they mean and what they do not mean and not argue amongst ourselves over correct statements and who has most plainly made the point.
1. Ellen G. White was a Methodist and therefore a Trinitarian from the beginning. She did not touch the issue very early on, because it was not the subject the church was dealing with during 1840-1880. 2. Jesus does not have a sinful nature as we have it. There is a difference. He took upon himself our sinful nature only in the sense of suffering from the same infirmities as we do. He does not have the propensity to sin as we have it. You can consult the Handbook of Seventh-day Adventist Theology for more information about this.
Timo Flink My friend, in January of 1946 in the day Star James White declared the trinity doctrine to be one of the false doctrines such as infant sprinkling and worship of Mary and such. 7 months and 6 days later in August he married Ellen White. Even before the Sabbath was an issue, Joseph bates told his father he would not believe unless he could be convinced that he was also father to his father. Yes, she was a Methodist but James was not. It would be interesting to me to think how she kept her secret belief to herself without ever once using the word trinity either in a positive or negitive perspective. Rather she spoke much about the subject of and evils of spiritualism. Once again on other occasion as well as this it was her husband who said that Trinity believers were the greatest offenders of spiritualism. With all due respect I would suggest burning your handbook of Seventh-day Adventist Theology. Every thing we need is at our finger tips in this information age. The simplest mind such as myself with any desire to know what is truth by entering question into search. No longer can these churches continue to lie about the past unless you let them. Dark ages are past. Light has come and Jesus will return.
Dr Kaiser distrusted the "scholars", and wanted only the truth. That was a good place for him to stay! He is so right on about the easy availability of information.
Was Arius Arian or was he Semi-Arian? Google say's Arius believed Jesus Christ was 'begotten', not 'created'. Most of the SDA founder's believed Jesus was 'begotten', not 'created' and the speaker claim's that made them 'Semi-Arian'. If google is correct in what Arius believed then the speaker's interpretation of what 'Semi-Arianism' is would make Arius a historical controdiction. Instead of stamping label's on the forehead's of people we disagree with, why don't we compare what people themselves say they believe with what those who have differing opinion's believe and then those who are interested can compare both side's, make that all side's inorder to see what the logical discerning human mind come's up with as being the truth as they see it when all the avenue's available are compared? The way I see it is one group believe's in only 'One' (1) GOD and another group believe's in 'Two' (2) God's and another group believe's in 'Three' (3) God's and even one SDA claim's he believe's in 'Four' (4) God's. The SDA Pastor educated at Walla Walla College who believe's in 'Four' (4) God's believe's one God is God the Father and he believe's that the Holy Spirit is God the Mother and he believe's that Michael the Archangel is God the Son and he believe's that the Archangel Gabriel is God the daughter and is both the Sister and Spouse of Michael. Most of the founder of the SDA organization believed in only 'One' only true GOD who became a Father at some point in time back in the dateless ages of eternity by 'begetting' a literal only 'begotten' (procreated, sired, torn from the bosom of the Father) Son, God Junior. They believed that the Holy Spirit was the Spirit of the Father and/or the Son and they believed that the Holy Spirit had personality but was not some third 'being'. GOD was the 'Head' of Christ, Christ the 'Head' of GOD's Church, men head's of and over women. The two current main belief's seem to me to be a Single Devine being with Three Personalities or Three Separate Coequal, Coeternal, Unrelated Devine 'Being's' who at some point in time drew straw's to see who would play the role of the unbegotten pretend Son of God called God the Son and these three role's could have been interchanged role play's with a scripted outcome with only inconsequential changes. So the whole thing to me seem's to boil down to, 'Is there a GOD who really has a real literal only 'begotten' Son or not? And is one's belief in regards to this issue a salvational issue? If it is we better get it right and if it isn't, doe's anything in this world really matter?
7:00 "Having distributed materials, in order to challenge the official view of the Adventist church." Those are big words, there. Ellen White said the foundation of our faith was established during the first fifty years of the movement. Those are the official views. This new theology is the challenger. Ellen White never used the word "Trinity", nor did she ever say that God was a "triune God", or "God the Son", or "God the Spirit". She didn't use Catholic language. This is critical, because Stephen saw Jesus at the right hand of God. He didn't see the Holy Spirit, because he was filled with the Holy Spirit. So, if you see a Trinity, the Holy Spirit is not in you, and you will get confused and say they are one God, and the Pope was right about that one thing. And Rick Warren says all these denominations agree on the Trinity. We don't need fellowship with them. Even Balaam said that we shall not be reckoned among the nations.
Our view on Trinity is not the same as Catholics' understanding of it. Here's what Ellen G. White wrote: "There are three living persons of the heavenly trio. In the name of these three powers,--the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will cooperate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ." {BTS, March 1, 1906 par. 2}
"Ellen White said the foundation of our faith was established during the first fifty years of the movement." She is referring to the five distinct doctrines, the pillars of our faith: Sabbath, the state of death, sanctuary, second coming, and the Spirit of Prophecy. Ellen G. White was a Trinitarian, and she makes that abundantly clear on her later writings.
@Robin Kelly adventistbiblicalresearch.org/sites/default/files/pdf/trinitydoc%20among%20sda_0.pdf adventistbiblicalresearch.org/sites/default/files/pdf/trinscript.pdf adventistbiblicalresearch.org/sites/default/files/pdf/Doctrine%20of%20the%20Trinity.pdf adventistbiblicalresearch.org/sites/default/files/pdf/Donkor290915.pdf The information is scattered among many such articles here and there. I have not found an article that would explicitly compare the two, but there are foundational differences, which I noted in one of my other replies.
@@timoflink2686 Godhead is one of our fundamemtal doctrine as Sda.. “Those who seek to remove the OLD LANDMARKS are not holding fast; they are not remembering how they have received and heard. Those who try to bring in theories that would remove the PILLARS OF OUR FAITH CONCERNING THE SANCTUARY OR CONCERNING THE PERSONALITY OF GOD OR OF CHRIST, are working as blind men. They are seeking to bring in uncertainties and to set the people of God adrift without an anchor.” {E. G. White, Manuscript Release No.760, p. 9} 1905
Amen. Praise God for using you as His vessel to enlighten us about the Godhead through your testimony, the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy. God bless your ministry.
Jesus is the son of God and fully Divine yet he laid down his life. He could die because he had been given life from the father. He laid down his Divine Life and died. He was dead. Completely dead. It is only the father who cannot die. The father is the almighty source of all things and is the only one who has that kind of immortality. You cannot die.
The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery. Men cannot explain it, because the Lord has not revealed it to them. Men having fanciful views may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on them, but the acceptance of these views will not strengthen the church. Regarding such mysteries, which are too deep for human understanding, silence is golden. AA 52.1
1913 Review and Herald had a doctrinal statement which included the trinity. "“For the benefit of those who may desire to know more particularly the cardinal features of the faith held by this denomination, we shall state that Seventh-day Adventists believe,- 1. In the divine Trinity. This Trinity consists of the eternal Father, a personal, spiritual being, omnipotent, omniscient, infinite in power, wisdom, and love; of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the eternal Father, through whom all things were created, and through whom the salvation of the redeemed hosts will be accomplished; the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Godhead, the one regenerating agency in the work of redemption.” (F. M. Wilcox, Review and Herald, 9th October 1913,)
It is probably best to use or say godhead, or even trio! I say this because "Trinity", is something devised by the Papacy! I am not against anyone who uses it, but, EGW never used it to my knowledge. And, trinity in most cases is always used in connection with paganism, like 3 gods in one. Blessings on you my brother!
@@watchndatube1 I agree. My main point in sharing the quote above is that our pioneers didn’t have any problem using the term to describe their belief(once Desire of Ages was published, pretty much all of them came to believe that the Holy Spirit is a person). Here’s another: "The doctrine of the trinity is true when rightly understood." --Stephen N. Haskell (SDA pioneer), Bible Training School, Feb. 1, 1906
Here is the SDA 28 fundamental belief number 2 The Trinity: There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three coeternal Persons. God is immortal, all-powerful, all-know- ing, above all, and ever present. He is infinite and beyond human comprehension, yet known through His self-revelation. God, who is love, is forever worthy of worship, adoration, and service by the whole creation. (Gen. 1:26; Deut. 6:4; Isa. 6:8; Matt. 28:19; John 3:16 2 Cor. 1:21, 22; 13:14; Eph. 4:4-6; 1 Peter 1:2.) Now read carefully it says there is One God ....... “a unity of three co-eternal persons” then a few lines down which I wonder how they missed it it says “He is infinite and beyond human comprehension” wait-a-minute! how can it be three co-eternal persons but say He? shouldn’t it be they? I also notice very little scripture if not any was read from you, not you reading it within the quotes to so call prove the trinity. I see why people think we are a cult, promoting and believing this unbiblical doctrine
There is nothing unbiblical with our understanding of the Trinity. The "He" emphasises God's oneness, while the clause "the unity of three coeternal persons" emphasises God's threeness. Here's what Ellen G. White wrote: "There are three living persons of the heavenly trio. In the name of these three powers,--the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will cooperate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ." {BTS, March 1, 1906 par. 2} I accept that. I suggest you do the same.
Timo Flink “He” denotes singular not plural just read the whole chapter of Deuteronomy 6 (including verse 4) and you will find him as well as his. In Deuteronomy 6:4 the saying “Lord Our God” (Moses speaking) denotes One single person! Here’s proof Deuteronomy 5:22-27 “These words the Lord spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me. 23 And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of the darkness, (for the mountain did burn with fire,) that ye came near unto me, even all the heads of your tribes, and your elders; 24 And ye said, Behold, the Lord our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth. 25 Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the Lord our God any more, then we shall die. 26 For who is there of all flesh, that hath heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived? 27 Go thou near, and hear all that the Lord our God shall say: and speak thou unto us all that the Lord our God shall speak unto thee; and we will hear it, and do it. See how the this chapter brings out the LORD OUR GOD(4 times) is One Person it was when God spoke the Ten Commandments,now we all know the first Commandment says “... thou shalt have no other gods before me” it doesn’t say us and most definitely “me” can never mean more than one person. So I encourage you to carefully read the quotes of Sister White to understand what she mean when saying “the heavenly trio” “the third person of the Godhead“ “three living persons” because clearly these are HER TERMS SHE USES not the Bible. Question, when the Devil comes with temptation are you going to stand the test on what Ellen White says or the Bible? Even if you out there winning soul for Christ are you going to convince them of the true with Ellen White writings or the Bible? I believe what the Bible says I suggest you do the same
@@DonjohnsonBG good questions. Most of these trinitarians do not read beyond what EGW wrote. Reading her writing she clearly recognized only 2 beings. Furthermore speaking in third person language was a practice of Jesus Christ through out His teaching.
Alex Muluti Yes Yes Yes and what’s more amazing is that Christ was the one who said John 3:16 in which most of us read right over. Matthew 11:27 says “All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.” So it’s Christ the one who knows his Father telling or revealing to us about His Father’s love of him giving his only begotten Son WHO IS THAT SON He’s talking about.😁 I strongly believe Ellen White wrote using these terms third person and three powers because of Christ, one who in speaking of his humanity refers to himself as the Son of man speaking in a way as if it’s someone else. in the eyes of God and his Son the Man Christ Jesus is as another person to them because The Son of God never became a human til the incarnation being 💯 God 💯 Man a new person and this life Christ lived as a man God gives it to us in the form of the Holy Spirit or Holy Life that’s why Paul said what he said in Galatians 2:20 I live yet not I but Christ lives in me
Sir, you mention a Triune God multiple times in your sermon. Can you please explain where I can find that phrase Triune God in the Bible so that I can better understand what you are talking about. I thank you for your time.
It is not essential for us to be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is. Christ tells us that the Spirit is the Comforter, "the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father." It is plainly declared regarding the Holy Spirit that, in His work of guiding men into all truth, "He shall not speak of Himself." John 15:26; 16:13.
Sir don’t you know the Devil and his Angels are Anti-Trinitarians, James 1:19 says they believe in One God Isaiah 14:14 says Lucifer wants to be like the MOST HIGH and Mark 5:7 says the unclean spirits said Jesus was the Son of the Most High God when you put the verses together the The Most High God is the Father of Jesus Christ, One singular not one in unity
7:43 "Eventually they decided that it was time for them to leave the Adventist church" More big words. You don't have to leave the Adventist church to opt out of this fanaticism. This is remnant church. God will not raise up another church. That's why there's a shaking. The church is divided. It's an uneasy alliance, like the Pharisees and Sadducees. 8:45 "Many of the people, including myself, questioned the leading of the guidance of the leadership of the church" "pastors, theologians, scholars, and so on" Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. "Satan is constantly endeavoring to attract attention to man in the place of God. He leads the people to look to bishops, to pastors, to professors of theology, as their guides, instead of searching the Scriptures to learn their duty for themselves. Then, by controlling the minds of these leaders, he can influence the multitudes according to his will." {GC 595.2}
If he agrees that SDAs and SD Baptists cab work together, then why are non Trinitaruans being disfellowshipped? When it comes to leaving the SDA church the wheat and tares are to stay together card, but when it cones to those that teach the truth about Godhead, didfellowsip. SMH
Why didn't God tell the patriarchs and prophets He "is three working in concert"? God seems to me to be perfectly clear about who HE IS..and He never said triune, trinity, three. Always God told men He is ONE. The trinity is the forehead mark of the beast. The church is in the darkness of the delusion that is strong. Only those who love truth will be shown the light.
The Old Testament has many statements where Trinity is implied. The Hebrew word for God is Elohim, which is a plural form of El. Now, usually it is accompanied by a verb in singular, but there are a few places where the verb also is in plural, like in creation "Let US". As stated in the video, our understanding of the Trinity differs significantly from the Catholic position. You could consult the Biblical Research Institute website for more information on this. As far as I am personally concerned, to me the anti-Trinitarianism is not only heresy, it is idolatry, because it represents God in a wrong light.
Pray that the judgments of God would come upon these false teachers and cause complete chaos in their lives so that they would be led to turn back to the one before it's too late. this is a fancy mixing of truth and error
The trinity doctrine is defined by the statement that the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Father, the Father is not the Spirit, The Spirit is not the Father, the Son is not the Spirit and the Spirit is not the Son. Ellen White and the pioneers did not accept this doctrine. Ellen White did not teach this doctrine. Ellen White says that Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit. "It is not safe to catch the spirit from another. We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ." Lt 66, 1894. " (E.G.White, Manuscript Releases, vol.14, p.23). When a person appears in a court of law and represents himself, it is his proper person, not another person.
That is not what Ellen White means with the statement "We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ." I'll let her define what she means by that. "The Holy Spirit is the Comforter, in Christ’s name. He personifies Christ, yet is a distinct personality." 8LtMs, Ms 93, 1893, par. 8 "Sin could be resisted and overcome only through the mighty agency of the Third Person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullness of divine power. It is the Spirit that makes effectual what has been wrought out by the world's Redeemer." DA 671.2 "The lapse of time has wrought no change in Christ's parting promise to send the Holy Spirit as His representative." AA 50.1 As you can see, the Holy Spirit is Christ's representative and a distinct personality, not the same person as Christ.
@@grwaitemd From EGW: The Holy Spirit exalts and glorifies the Saviour. It is His office to present Christ, the purity of His righteousness, and the great salvation that we have through Him. Jesus says, "He shall receive of Mine, and shall show it unto you." John 16:14. If the Holy Spirit is Jesus, it would mean that Jesus is exalting and glorifying himself. Satan is the one who exalts and glorify himself. Luke 14:11 “For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.”
@@djpr8 "The Lord is the spirit" 2 Cor. 3:17. Reading the context of this verse, it refers to Jesus Christ our Lord. Jesus Christ is the holy spirit. Lt. 66, 1894. Ellen White. Did the apostle Paul write under inspiration? Did EGW write under inspiration?
Wow, this guy is such a liar. He reads the quotes in such a way that he leaves out information. Those quotes about the father and his son and how Christ is made equal with the father, he read only a portion of it but left everything else out. Clearly Ellen White was saying that Jesus is the son of God from Wayback and was begotten in the express image of his father.
NOTICE when he's reading Ellen White quotes about the equality of the Father and Son she calls the father God and Christ the son of God. She simply calls him God . Obviously she did not believe in a trinity.
That's wrong. Ellen White calls Jesus God as well, not just the Son of God. She did formulate a particular kind of Trinitarianism. Please revisit our history and her writings.
You do not sit on the right hand of the Majesty on High if you are that same Majesty on high. Jesus is Gods Son. There is only one Ancient of Days mentioned in scripture and that is God, the Father of Jesus. Paul makes it abundantly clear that Jesus is the express image of His Fathers person and that by inheritance (this means begotten, just like Isaac was begotten from Abraham) He has a more excellent name than the angels. Everything Jesus received He received from His Father, including life in Himself. There is no trinity of gods in the Bible. What complete and utter rubbish. The Pioneers left that horrendous error well behind them and now we want to bring it back!!! Stop peddling the Word of God and making God a liar! God gave us His SON and nothing less. The council of peace was between them BOTH. Amen!
@@Natasha-jo3hk You are taking about Modalism, not Trinitarianism. Our pioneers correctly opposed Modalism (which they called Trinitarianism, although technically that's a misnomer). I do not know any Adventist who would support Modalism. Our fundamental beliefs certainly don't.
@@timoflink2686 no, I’m not thinking of Modalism. If you believe that Jesus is the One True God, or Majesty on High (trinitarians certainly do believe this) how can the Majesty on High sit on the right hand side of the Majesty on High once he has by “Himself purged the world of sin” Read Hebrews 1 and try and place the trinity in there! It makes no sense. Jesus is not that Majesty on High, He is the Son of the Majesty on High and that is why He sits on the right hand side of His Father. Paul even speaks of all things being put under the Father once everything is finished, this includes Christ.
All Adventist pioneers came out of trinitarian churches and when studying scripture after the great disappointment they learned that it was a false doctrine and did not include it in the pillars of faith. To say that later Gid showed them that the light given was wrong and they should go back to believing in the trinity is complete rubbish. EGW and husband were non trinitarians til the day they died! Just like all the other pioneers. It was the Jesuits that slowly brought in this lie after their death.
W😮W At 26:40-28:16 you read two quotes that reveals the Father and the Son on the throne and Christ person is like his Father’s but No Holy Spirit on the throne with them and no mention of the Holy Spirit having a form like God and Christ, having no evidence for the Holy Spirit and still believe in the trinity is a strong delusion W😮W again
@@timoflink2686 yes, the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Godhead, but she ALSO calls it an agency, representative and the Spirit of Christ and God! How do you marry those statements? The third person of the Godhead was formed by the life Jesus wrought out as a human here in earth. That life is what He gives to us to overcome. How else can He be our comforter if it is not part of the Lord Himself. This Trinity third person version never came to earth in humanity and suffered, how can he possibly relate? Jesus gives us power through His life that He lives to overcome. That is the whole reason for the comforter. That is why He could give a portion of His Holy Spirit to His disciples when He breathed on them and then the fullness was given after His inauguration. You don’t breath another being onto somebody! Do you realise what you advocate?
@@Natasha-jo3hk and for the record, the Holy Spirit is not an "it". The Bible uses "He". He's a REAL person distinct from the Father and the Son. So says EGW as well.
@@timoflink2686 so you think we need another intercessor as well as Christ? I have heard it taught by trinitarians that we need the spirit to come to Jesus and then Jesus to God! Sorry Timo, but Jesus is all we need. He is the way, the truth and the life and no one comes to the Father but by Him.
I wonder if those who are anti trinity realize they agree with all anti Christian religions as well as Mormons and witnesses, The question is why do all those who are against Christian hate the trinity, is it because there is a trinity and they hate and fear it . Should make us think?
Umm. I'm christian and I am non-trinitarian. The original adventist had a lot of non-trinitarians. When original Adventists broke up it divided into sub-groups , one of which became 7th day Adventists. If you look at myself and those like me though, we never bought into the trinity but yes, we are Christians and spring from the original adventist church. The same place your church came from. Not all Adventists are trinitarians, nor were they ever. Know your church history.
Yes, think even of Islam.. they say one God and surely don’t accept Jesus as the divine Son of God. A non-trinitarian Christian would argue, oh but we believe Jesus was divine.. but it’s semantics at that point. How is he divine if he is not in the form of God? Is he like an angel?
Depth and the breadth and the width and the height... All the love of God which is in Christ Jesus? No he didn't say that because he's trying to promote the Trinity and that's to nontrinitarian.
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. Hebrews 9, 8-28 Thomas Ice: Entrückung - wer ist dabei? #OK19 - Rapture - who? - ruclips.net/video/BDqT4Bnb7R8/видео.html Thomas Ice: Entrückung - aber wie? #OK19 - Rapture - how? - ruclips.net/video/FsoCGftvf-I/видео.html Thomas Ice: Entrückung - wann denn? #OK19 - Rapture - when? - ruclips.net/video/DyEfGIkuuTY/видео.html What Shall we do that We Might Work the Works of God - ruclips.net/video/mIm8s1kIQ_s/видео.html The Timelessness of God by Major Ian Thomas - ruclips.net/video/yJMri9cwJmU/видео.html
@@timoflink2686 - From where do you want to get this false idea. With matter God created time and space: first day (Genesis 1). That HE is everywhere (Psalm 139) does not mean that HE were bound by space and time which HE HIMSELF created.
The prayer of a Trinitarian is unbiblical, Jesus clearly taught to pray to the Father in his(Jesus) name yet the trinitarian will start off praying to the Father then Jesus then back to the Father saying “your Spirit” but in mind not the Father’s own spirit but another divine being that doesn’t exist trying to include him(the Spirit)in the prayer when it will never fit because it’s a Father and Son relationship. “No one goes onto the Father but by me” Have we forgot the ole saying “Two is a company Three is a crowd”
@@timoflink2686 it was changed or suspected of change. A lot was probably changed. The orthodox church wanted everyone to comply with it. Don't believe? Do some research. The original Nazarene did not believe in the trinity.
@@itsallminor6133 I have done in-depth studies on the original text of the New Testament. Matt. 28:19 is original the way it reads: πορευθέντες μαθητεύσατε πάντα τὰ ἔθνη, βαπτίζοντες αὐτοὺς εἰς τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ Πατρὸς καὶ τοῦ Υἱοῦ καὶ τοῦ ῾Αγίου Πνεύματος (all three mentioned)
@@timoflink2686 wouldn't that depend on the manuscript? The claim is the earlier manuscripts did not. I have not seen them for myself. I go by books and online information unfortunately it is what i have available. I don't necessarily think it doesn't say it. The question is what year was it added and what is the script dated
@@timoflink2686 ruclips.net/video/RAIz4ChewTg/видео.html Start at 30:18 The accusation on math 28 was they were added and not found in earlier manuscripts or the quotes of like st Jerome of those passages. I has been going on for years. Thoughts?
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5, 24 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it. Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8, 1-39 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's. 1 Corinthians 3, 1-23 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. Ephesians 2, 1-22
Very convincing, but I don't buy it. Why should I believe this guy? Because he is an academic? I think not. It is not safe to go against the consensus of the Pioneers in the 1872 Fundamental Principles. There they were all agreed that God is one person, the Father. Jesus Christ is His literal Son. And the Holy Spiritual is the Omnipresence of them both.
Then you must reject the following statement by necessity. Ellen G. White: "There are three living persons of the heavenly trio. In the name of these three powers,--the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will cooperate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ. {BTS, March 1, 1906 par. 2} You should accept what the SCRIPTURES say, not what 1872 Fundamental Principles said. our pioneers moved away from that 1872 statement.
I noticed anti trinitarians get VERY angry. Especially when you tell them and show them in the bible the clear quotes. I used to be a staunch anti trinitarian, but I fled from it as soon as I realized it doesn't hold a flame to any true study of the bible. It appeals to the rebellious in the church. You can immediately see the devil in these people when you engage them in an honest study of the bible. RUclips has created these people, who learn everything from anyone on the internet or youtube. Then they go around and spout it, with 0 study of the scriptures, no real application of their own study to their character, but what they ARE good at is going around and telling people how they are all misled, typical pharisee. The less I studied my bible, the more anti trinitarinism looked logical, the more I studied my bible the more I wanted to revert BACK to being a trinitarian. They also say, its a catholic creation. And it was "created" in the council of nicea. This is a BUTCHERING of actual history. The word trinity in reference to God being 3 in 1, existed atleast 100+ years before that council was adjourned. Also, the Godhead is not the same as believing the Trinity. For you adventists out there, Ellen White is discarded by Anti Trinitarians because they believe her support of the Trinity is automatic false flag. So much ignorance could be cured, if people would just read their bible, have a true life changing transformation through Christ. Running around and spouting the same degree of Pharisaical dogma while making 0 effort to realize you can know people BY THEIR FRUIT. Trinity or NON TRINITY, your fruit will reveal who you serve. Have a good day.
@@BrightBeamsMission From EGW: The Holy Spirit exalts and glorifies the Saviour. It is His office to present Christ, the purity of His righteousness, and the great salvation that we have through Him. Jesus says, "He shall receive of Mine, and shall show it unto you." John 16:14. If the Holy Spirit is Jesus, it would mean that Jesus is exalting and glorifying himself. Satan is the one who exalts and glorify himself. Luke 14:11 “For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.”
@@djpr8 The same author repeatedly identifies the Holy Spirit as the Spirit of CHRIST. JESUS is above the Law; it is not sin for Him to exalt Himself. The idea that GOD (or CHRIST) does not exalt Himself is a fallacy. But with that said, the office of the Holy Spirit is distinct from CHRIST Himself. This office involves Christians. There is a circuit of beneficence.
@@BrightBeamsMission You are assuming that Jesus can exalt himself, nowhere in the Bible and the SOP I read that. Isaiah 9:6 “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” Jesus is called the everlasting Father. Is he the father? So you be reading the Bible Baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit of Christ. It doesn't make any sense. John 14:16 “And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;” Jesus is asking the father for another comforter different than the Father and Christ. There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers -the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit--those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.- Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, pp. 62, 63. (1905) -Evangelism 615.1 "The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God. "For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God."--Manuscript 20, 1906. {Ev 617.1} "We are to co-operate with the three highest powers in heaven,--the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, --and these powers will work through us, making us workers together with God.--Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, p. 51. (1905) {Ev 617.3} I was always wondering does anti trinitarians believe in EGW with so clear statements, but looks like you guys are rejecting her, and following the Pioneers. IF knowing the Godhead is so important to our salvation why didn't the Bible gave a warning or Ellen White. But you don't find anything cause is one of the winds of doctrine out there. They say we are worshipping Satan, but Ellen White is clear that Satan will receive worship through the Papacy, not the Holy Spirit. When there is heresy strife follows, works of the flesh, those who teach heresys will not inherit the kingdom of God. 2 Corinthians 13:14, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. You will read it like The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Spirit of Christ, be with you all. It doesn't make any sense, why a name the Holy Ghost? He is a person.
@@djpr8 You're making all kinds of assumptions here, and you'll only get yourself into trouble doing that. I believe exactly what the Spirit of Prophecy says in the writings of Sister White, but you are twisting it to make me and others who believe as I do to say things that I am not. Let me ask you: Do *you* believe in three distinct persons of the Godhead (as the Spirit of Prophecy says)? Do you refer to GOD as "He" and "Him," as the Bible (and Sister White) does, or "they" and "them"? Do you believe in the personality of GOD-that He is a tangible person in heaven? or do you believe the impossibility that "He" is three? Do you believe that CHRIST and the Holy Spirit are separate from "Him" or do you call all three "Him"?
FATHER AND SON = WHO HAVE A SPIRIT THAT IS HOLY AMEN
David Ross - And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28, 17-20
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into. Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear: Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you. 1 Peter 1, 2-25
What you just described is the Catholic view of the trinity.
Well taken Dr, ur teaching is so smooth even a baby can understand
The 4 part "Common Ground" series by "The Forgotten Pillar Project" will really help clear up any confusion about the personality of God.
Amen be blessd my dear pastor
Ndachaa!!
One thing I see about Adventists that believe in the trinity is that they feel comfortable leaning more towards twisting the writings of the Pioneers(Ellen as well) but not so much the Bible because the Scriptures Does not teach a trinity only a Father and Son Relationship. Question, if God is the Father of Christ and Christ is the Son of God, the Holy Spirit is what to the Father? The Brother and what is the Holy Spirit to the Son? The Uncle. If they are co-equal like the trinitarians believe Please explain to me what does Christ mean when He says “My Father is Greater than I” because no one believes that they are equal with their Father in Age
You are wrong. Please restudy Scriptures. You use the words "father", "son", "brother" in a biological manner, which the Scriptures do not do.
You confuse a biblical definition of humanity of Christ with his divinity. Christ refers to his incarnate state as the second Adam.
@@timoflink2686 the Father and Son relationship is real and it existed before the incarnation of Christ; Notice what Christ says in his Prayer to God (John 17:5) “And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” He’s addressing God as Father; before the world was created he was a Son. Christ says to Nicodemus referring to himself in John 3:17 “For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved” The Son was sent into the world; for confirmation of that Christ says in John 6:38 “For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me”
Also notice what Solomon says in Proverbs 30:4 “Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?” Paul reveals what God Son name is in Ephesians 3:9 “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ” Understand All men whenever they Father a child(a Son) is the image and likeness of the Original just ask Adam( Gen 5:3-4) and Abraham( Heb 11:17) Now in reference to me saying is the Holy Spirit the Brother to God and Uncle to Christ I said this to make a person think. The Bible reveals there’s a family in Heaven; Ephesians 3:14-15 “For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, [15] Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named” A family consist of individuals who are related to each other and all have names my Question is: if the Holy Spirit is the third member of the Godhead how is he related to God and Christ? There’s no scripture at all saying or revealing how he’s a member of the family in Heaven( the Heavenly Family existed before the Earthly Family) plus He doesn’t even have a name because Holy Spirit is not a name, Holy is a adjective that describes what type of spirit it is
@@timoflink2686 The Father and Son relationship is Real; You are a Child to your Parents, they are greater or elder to you in age not nature. Your Parents are human like you are human. believe or not the Father is greater than Christ in age but he is equal with God in nature he is Divine like the Father is Divine
@@DonjohnsonBG Your view is a typical misinterpretation of what the Sonship means in the Scriptures. Please study this again because you make Christ less than eternal and less than God. One book you could take a look at is by Ty Gibson.
Thank you brother Kaiser for your testimony and your deep analysis of the development of the trinity in adventist history. It strengthened me a lot. God bless you for your humility.
Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. Acts 17, 22-31
You realize that Paul was speaking of God the father and no one else? Look up 1st Corinthians 8:6. That tells you who Polly speaking about when he says the word God . He's speaking about the Father alone.
@@he7is7at7hand - Paul is speaking of God [Father, Lord Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit].
2 Crowns on the table of shewbread, in the sides of the North is where God's throne is.
2 stacks of 6 loaves, not 666 (Trinity)
Why would the Holy Spirit need a throne ??
He is *everywhere*.
@@LatterRainPower, you're right, the Holy Spirit doesn't need a throne because the holy spirit is not a separate being.
@@he7is7at7hand
Not so.
Romans 8:26-27 (KJV)
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
The Holy Spirit always leads to the written word.
>> The Holy Spirit is a person; for He beareth witness with our spirits that we are the children of God. > He must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God.
The loaves represent the Word of God.
@@he7is7at7hand Now you blatantly contradict both Ellen White and Scripture. The Holy Spirit is the third person of the Godhead. Thus said Ellen White.
Looks strange that it took a long time for prophet EGW to figure out Trinitarianism. If she is truly inspired, she should be able to teach Trinitarianism from the start. If a prophet is unsure about the identity of God, why is she chosen to reveal God?
My second point is regarding atonement. According to your video, it is the human nature of Jesus that died on the cross. If it is the sinful nature that died, how can that sinful nature or blemished nature be worthy of sacrifice to perform the redemption. If it is the holy nature that died, how can anything that is holy dies? Either way, it doesn't match up.
Hope you can answer my 2 questions.
Kelvin Lim Learned men ( theologians/ bible scholars ) distorting the Word of God to benefit their claims of trinity. If the denomination stood firm and did not alter the 1872 Fundamental Principles of SDA, there will be no trinity doctrine. Worship only belongs to God the Father and His only begotten Son whom He has sent. John 17:3. Trinity is the main reason the denomination is fragmented and the omega of apostasy has taken over the denomination.
Alphonso, I read the linked article and liked it much but have the following criticism. Those that reject the third person of the God head doctrine do so not because they disagree with what Ellen White wrote. They do so because they reject the individuality of that “person” being separated from Christ without whom there is no Holy Spirit at all. The person of the Holy Spirit is a personal character derived from Himself. So when a none trinitarian says he doesn’t believe in the third person we should know what they mean and what they do not mean and not argue amongst ourselves over correct statements and who has most plainly made the point.
Alphonso Hawkins: who is The God of Jesus Christ?
1. Ellen G. White was a Methodist and therefore a Trinitarian from the beginning. She did not touch the issue very early on, because it was not the subject the church was dealing with during 1840-1880.
2. Jesus does not have a sinful nature as we have it. There is a difference. He took upon himself our sinful nature only in the sense of suffering from the same infirmities as we do. He does not have the propensity to sin as we have it.
You can consult the Handbook of Seventh-day Adventist Theology for more information about this.
Timo Flink My friend, in January of 1946 in the day Star James White declared the trinity doctrine to be one of the false doctrines such as infant sprinkling and worship of Mary and such. 7 months and 6 days later in August he married Ellen White. Even before the Sabbath was an issue, Joseph bates told his father he would not believe unless he could be convinced that he was also father to his father. Yes, she was a Methodist but James was not. It would be interesting to me to think how she kept her secret belief to herself without ever once using the word trinity either in a positive or negitive perspective. Rather she spoke much about the subject of and evils of spiritualism. Once again on other occasion as well as this it was her husband who said that Trinity believers were the greatest offenders of spiritualism. With all due respect I would suggest burning your handbook of Seventh-day Adventist Theology. Every thing we need is at our finger tips in this information age. The simplest mind such as myself with any desire to know what is truth by entering question into search. No longer can these churches continue to lie about the past unless you let them. Dark ages are past. Light has come and Jesus will return.
Dr Kaiser distrusted the "scholars", and wanted only the truth. That was a good place for him to stay! He is so right on about the easy availability of information.
Was Arius Arian or was he Semi-Arian? Google say's Arius believed Jesus Christ was 'begotten', not 'created'. Most of the SDA founder's believed Jesus was 'begotten', not 'created' and the speaker claim's that made them 'Semi-Arian'. If google is correct in what Arius believed then the speaker's interpretation of what 'Semi-Arianism' is would make Arius a historical controdiction. Instead of stamping label's on the forehead's of people we disagree with, why don't we compare what people themselves say they believe with what those who have differing opinion's believe and then those who are interested can compare both side's, make that all side's inorder to see what the logical discerning human mind come's up with as being the truth as they see it when all the avenue's available are compared? The way I see it is one group believe's in only 'One' (1) GOD and another group believe's in 'Two' (2) God's and another group believe's in 'Three' (3) God's and even one SDA claim's he believe's in 'Four' (4) God's. The SDA Pastor educated at Walla Walla College who believe's in 'Four' (4) God's believe's one God is God the Father and he believe's that the Holy Spirit is God the Mother and he believe's that Michael the Archangel is God the Son and he believe's that the Archangel Gabriel is God the daughter and is both the Sister and Spouse of Michael. Most of the founder of the SDA organization believed in only 'One' only true GOD who became a Father at some point in time back in the dateless ages of eternity by 'begetting' a literal only 'begotten' (procreated, sired, torn from the bosom of the Father) Son, God Junior. They believed that the Holy Spirit was the Spirit of the Father and/or the Son and they believed that the Holy Spirit had personality but was not some third 'being'. GOD was the 'Head' of Christ, Christ the 'Head' of GOD's Church, men head's of and over women. The two current main belief's seem to me to be a Single Devine being with Three Personalities or Three Separate Coequal, Coeternal, Unrelated Devine 'Being's' who at some point in time drew straw's to see who would play the role of the unbegotten pretend Son of God called God the Son and these three role's could have been interchanged role play's with a scripted outcome with only inconsequential changes. So the whole thing to me seem's to boil down to, 'Is there a GOD who really has a real literal only 'begotten' Son or not? And is one's belief in regards to this issue a salvational issue? If it is we better get it right and if it isn't, doe's anything in this world really matter?
We do not know all that Arius actually said and believed. We know more about his followers and their views.
7:00 "Having distributed materials, in order to challenge the official view of the Adventist church."
Those are big words, there. Ellen White said the foundation of our faith was established during the first fifty years of the movement. Those are the official views. This new theology is the challenger. Ellen White never used the word "Trinity", nor did she ever say that God was a "triune God", or "God the Son", or "God the Spirit". She didn't use Catholic language. This is critical, because Stephen saw Jesus at the right hand of God. He didn't see the Holy Spirit, because he was filled with the Holy Spirit. So, if you see a Trinity, the Holy Spirit is not in you, and you will get confused and say they are one God, and the Pope was right about that one thing. And Rick Warren says all these denominations agree on the Trinity. We don't need fellowship with them. Even Balaam said that we shall not be reckoned among the nations.
Our view on Trinity is not the same as Catholics' understanding of it.
Here's what Ellen G. White wrote:
"There are three living persons of the heavenly trio. In the name of these three powers,--the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will cooperate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ." {BTS, March 1, 1906 par. 2}
"Ellen White said the foundation of our faith was established during the first fifty years of the movement."
She is referring to the five distinct doctrines, the pillars of our faith: Sabbath, the state of death, sanctuary, second coming, and the Spirit of Prophecy.
Ellen G. White was a Trinitarian, and she makes that abundantly clear on her later writings.
@Robin Kelly adventistbiblicalresearch.org/sites/default/files/pdf/trinitydoc%20among%20sda_0.pdf
adventistbiblicalresearch.org/sites/default/files/pdf/trinscript.pdf
adventistbiblicalresearch.org/sites/default/files/pdf/Doctrine%20of%20the%20Trinity.pdf
adventistbiblicalresearch.org/sites/default/files/pdf/Donkor290915.pdf
The information is scattered among many such articles here and there. I have not found an article that would explicitly compare the two, but there are foundational differences, which I noted in one of my other replies.
@@timoflink2686 - Thanks for the links. Thought I'd share this: www.worldincrisis.org/Harvestime-Books/Defending-the-Godhead.pdf
@@timoflink2686 Godhead is one of our fundamemtal doctrine as Sda..
“Those who seek to remove the OLD LANDMARKS are not holding fast; they are not remembering how they have received and heard. Those who try to bring in theories that would remove the PILLARS OF OUR FAITH CONCERNING THE SANCTUARY OR CONCERNING THE PERSONALITY OF GOD OR OF CHRIST, are working as blind men. They are seeking to bring in uncertainties and to set the people of God adrift without an anchor.” {E. G. White,
Manuscript Release No.760, p. 9} 1905
Amen. Praise God for using you as His vessel to enlighten us about the Godhead through your testimony, the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy. God bless your ministry.
Jesus is the son of God and fully Divine yet he laid down his life. He could die because he had been given life from the father. He laid down his Divine Life and died. He was dead. Completely dead. It is only the father who cannot die. The father is the almighty source of all things and is the only one who has that kind of immortality. You cannot die.
Wrong. Christ's divinity did not die. Only his humanity did. Thus said Ellen White explicitly.
The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery. Men cannot explain it, because the Lord has not revealed it to them. Men having fanciful views may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on them, but the acceptance of these views will not strengthen the church. Regarding such mysteries, which are too deep for human understanding, silence is golden. AA 52.1
1913 Review and Herald had a doctrinal statement which included the trinity.
"“For the benefit of those who may desire to know more particularly the cardinal features of the faith held by this denomination, we shall state that Seventh-day Adventists believe,- 1. In the divine Trinity. This Trinity consists of the eternal Father, a personal, spiritual being, omnipotent, omniscient, infinite in power, wisdom, and love; of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the eternal Father, through whom all things were created, and through whom the salvation of the redeemed hosts will be accomplished; the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Godhead, the one regenerating agency in the work of redemption.” (F. M. Wilcox, Review and Herald, 9th October 1913,)
It is probably best to use or say godhead, or even trio! I say this because "Trinity", is something devised by the Papacy! I am not against anyone who uses it, but, EGW never used it to my knowledge. And, trinity in most cases is always used in connection with paganism, like 3 gods in one. Blessings on you my brother!
@@watchndatube1 I agree. My main point in sharing the quote above is that our pioneers didn’t have any problem using the term to describe their belief(once Desire of Ages was published, pretty much all of them came to believe that the Holy Spirit is a person). Here’s another:
"The doctrine of the trinity is true when rightly understood." --Stephen N. Haskell (SDA pioneer), Bible Training School, Feb. 1, 1906
Here is the SDA 28 fundamental belief number 2 The Trinity:
There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three coeternal Persons. God is immortal, all-powerful, all-know- ing, above all, and ever present. He is infinite and beyond human comprehension, yet known through His self-revelation. God, who is love, is forever worthy of worship, adoration, and service by the whole creation. (Gen. 1:26; Deut. 6:4; Isa. 6:8; Matt. 28:19; John 3:16 2 Cor. 1:21, 22; 13:14; Eph. 4:4-6; 1 Peter 1:2.)
Now read carefully it says there is One God ....... “a unity of three co-eternal persons” then a few lines down which I wonder how they missed it it says “He is infinite and beyond human comprehension” wait-a-minute! how can it be three co-eternal persons but say He? shouldn’t it be they? I also notice very little scripture if not any was read from you, not you reading it within the quotes to so call prove the trinity. I see why people think we are a cult, promoting and believing this unbiblical doctrine
There is nothing unbiblical with our understanding of the Trinity. The "He" emphasises God's oneness, while the clause "the unity of three coeternal persons" emphasises God's threeness.
Here's what Ellen G. White wrote:
"There are three living persons of the heavenly trio. In the name of these three powers,--the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will cooperate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ." {BTS, March 1, 1906 par. 2}
I accept that. I suggest you do the same.
Timo Flink “He” denotes singular not plural just read the whole chapter of Deuteronomy 6 (including verse 4) and you will find him as well as his. In Deuteronomy 6:4 the saying “Lord Our God” (Moses speaking) denotes One single person! Here’s proof Deuteronomy 5:22-27 “These words the Lord spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.
23 And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of the darkness, (for the mountain did burn with fire,) that ye came near unto me, even all the heads of your tribes, and your elders;
24 And ye said, Behold, the Lord our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.
25 Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the Lord our God any more, then we shall die.
26 For who is there of all flesh, that hath heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived?
27 Go thou near, and hear all that the Lord our God shall say: and speak thou unto us all that the Lord our God shall speak unto thee; and we will hear it, and do it. See how the this chapter brings out the LORD OUR GOD(4 times) is One Person it was when God spoke the Ten Commandments,now we all know the first Commandment says “... thou shalt have no other gods before me” it doesn’t say us and most definitely “me” can never mean more than one person. So I encourage you to carefully read the quotes of Sister White to understand what she mean when saying “the heavenly trio” “the third person of the Godhead“ “three living persons” because clearly these are HER TERMS SHE USES not the Bible. Question, when the Devil comes with temptation are you going to stand the test on what Ellen White says or the Bible? Even if you out there winning soul for Christ are you going to convince them of the true with Ellen White writings or the Bible? I believe what the Bible says I suggest you do the same
@@DonjohnsonBG good questions. Most of these trinitarians do not read beyond what EGW wrote. Reading her writing she clearly recognized only 2 beings. Furthermore speaking in third person language was a practice of Jesus Christ through out His teaching.
Alex Muluti Yes Yes Yes and what’s more amazing is that Christ was the one who said John 3:16 in which most of us read right over. Matthew 11:27 says “All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.” So it’s Christ the one who knows his Father telling or revealing to us about His Father’s love of him giving his only begotten Son WHO IS THAT SON He’s talking about.😁 I strongly believe Ellen White wrote using these terms third person and three powers because of Christ, one who in speaking of his humanity refers to himself as the Son of man speaking in a way as if it’s someone else. in the eyes of God and his Son the Man Christ Jesus is as another person to them because The Son of God never became a human til the incarnation being 💯 God 💯 Man a new person and this life Christ lived as a man God gives it to us in the form of the Holy Spirit or Holy Life that’s why Paul said what he said in Galatians 2:20 I live yet not I but Christ lives in me
Sir, you mention a Triune God multiple times in your sermon. Can you please explain where I can find that phrase Triune God in the Bible so that I can better understand what you are talking about.
I thank you for your time.
Triune God is a term used in theology for the concept of one God in three persons found in Scripture.
Amen.
It is not essential for us to be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is. Christ tells us that the Spirit is the Comforter, "the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father." It is plainly declared regarding the Holy Spirit that, in His work of guiding men into all truth, "He shall not speak of Himself." John 15:26; 16:13.
Sir don’t you know the Devil and his Angels are Anti-Trinitarians, James 1:19 says they believe in One God Isaiah 14:14 says Lucifer wants to be like the MOST HIGH and Mark 5:7 says the unclean spirits said Jesus was the Son of the Most High God when you put the verses together the The Most High God is the Father of Jesus Christ, One singular not one in unity
7:43 "Eventually they decided that it was time for them to leave the Adventist church"
More big words. You don't have to leave the Adventist church to opt out of this fanaticism. This is remnant church. God will not raise up another church. That's why there's a shaking. The church is divided. It's an uneasy alliance, like the Pharisees and Sadducees.
8:45 "Many of the people, including myself, questioned the leading of the guidance of the leadership of the church" "pastors, theologians, scholars, and so on"
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
"Satan is constantly endeavoring to attract attention to man in the place of God. He leads the people to look to bishops, to pastors, to professors of theology, as their guides, instead of searching the Scriptures to learn their duty for themselves. Then, by controlling the minds of these leaders, he can influence the multitudes according to his will." {GC 595.2}
People get pushed out of the church- those who don't agree with the trinity.
If he agrees that SDAs and SD Baptists cab work together, then why are non Trinitaruans being disfellowshipped?
When it comes to leaving the SDA church the wheat and tares are to stay together card, but when it cones to those that teach the truth about Godhead, didfellowsip.
SMH
Why didn't God tell the patriarchs and prophets He "is three working in concert"? God seems to me to be perfectly clear about who HE IS..and He never said triune, trinity, three. Always God told men He is ONE. The trinity is the forehead mark of the beast. The church is in the darkness of the delusion that is strong. Only those who love truth will be shown the light.
The Old Testament has many statements where Trinity is implied. The Hebrew word for God is Elohim, which is a plural form of El. Now, usually it is accompanied by a verb in singular, but there are a few places where the verb also is in plural, like in creation "Let US".
As stated in the video, our understanding of the Trinity differs significantly from the Catholic position. You could consult the Biblical Research Institute website for more information on this.
As far as I am personally concerned, to me the anti-Trinitarianism is not only heresy, it is idolatry, because it represents God in a wrong light.
@Robert Bar Please read the material again. The Adventist understanding of Trinity differs from the classical Trinitarian doctrine in numerous places.
Pray that the judgments of God would come upon these false teachers and cause complete chaos in their lives so that they would be led to turn back to the one before it's too late. this is a fancy mixing of truth and error
The trinity doctrine is defined by the statement that the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Father, the Father is not the Spirit, The Spirit is not the Father, the Son is not the Spirit and the Spirit is not the Son. Ellen White and the pioneers did not accept this doctrine. Ellen White did not teach this doctrine. Ellen White says that Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit. "It is not safe to catch the spirit from another. We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ." Lt 66, 1894. " (E.G.White, Manuscript Releases, vol.14, p.23). When a person appears in a court of law and represents himself, it is his proper person, not another person.
That is not what Ellen White means with the statement "We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ." I'll let her define what she means by that.
"The Holy Spirit is the Comforter, in Christ’s name. He personifies Christ, yet is a distinct personality." 8LtMs, Ms 93, 1893, par. 8
"Sin could be resisted and overcome only through the mighty agency of the Third Person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullness of divine power. It is the Spirit that makes effectual what has been wrought out by the world's Redeemer." DA 671.2
"The lapse of time has wrought no change in Christ's parting promise to send the Holy Spirit as His representative." AA 50.1
As you can see, the Holy Spirit is Christ's representative and a distinct personality, not the same person as Christ.
@@timoflink2686 the holy spirit is Christ himself. When a person NV represents himself, he is that person and NOT another person. 14 MR 23.2 to 23.3
@@grwaitemd No. That is not what Ellen White says. There are three persons in the Godhead, not two.
@@grwaitemd From EGW:
The Holy Spirit exalts and glorifies the Saviour. It is His office to present Christ, the purity of His righteousness, and the great salvation that we have through Him. Jesus says, "He shall receive of Mine, and shall show it unto you." John 16:14.
If the Holy Spirit is Jesus, it would mean that Jesus is exalting and glorifying himself. Satan is the one who exalts and glorify himself.
Luke 14:11
“For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.”
@@djpr8 "The Lord is the spirit" 2 Cor. 3:17. Reading the context of this verse, it refers to Jesus Christ our Lord. Jesus Christ is the holy spirit. Lt. 66, 1894. Ellen White. Did the apostle Paul write under inspiration? Did EGW write under inspiration?
Wow, this guy is such a liar. He reads the quotes in such a way that he leaves out information. Those quotes about the father and his son and how Christ is made equal with the father, he read only a portion of it but left everything else out. Clearly Ellen White was saying that Jesus is the son of God from Wayback and was begotten in the express image of his father.
Where is she saying that please
NOTICE when he's reading Ellen White quotes about the equality of the Father and Son she calls the father God and Christ the son of God. She simply calls him God . Obviously she did not believe in a trinity.
That's wrong. Ellen White calls Jesus God as well, not just the Son of God. She did formulate a particular kind of Trinitarianism. Please revisit our history and her writings.
You do not sit on the right hand of the Majesty on High if you are that same Majesty on high. Jesus is Gods Son. There is only one Ancient of Days mentioned in scripture and that is God, the Father of Jesus. Paul makes it abundantly clear that Jesus is the express image of His Fathers person and that by inheritance (this means begotten, just like Isaac was begotten from Abraham) He has a more excellent name than the angels. Everything Jesus received He received from His Father, including life in Himself. There is no trinity of gods in the Bible. What complete and utter rubbish. The Pioneers left that horrendous error well behind them and now we want to bring it back!!! Stop peddling the Word of God and making God a liar! God gave us His SON and nothing less. The council of peace was between them BOTH. Amen!
@@Natasha-jo3hk You are taking about Modalism, not Trinitarianism. Our pioneers correctly opposed Modalism (which they called Trinitarianism, although technically that's a misnomer). I do not know any Adventist who would support Modalism. Our fundamental beliefs certainly don't.
@@timoflink2686 no, I’m not thinking of Modalism. If you believe that Jesus is the One True God, or Majesty on High (trinitarians certainly do believe this) how can the Majesty on High sit on the right hand side of the Majesty on High once he has by “Himself purged the world of sin” Read Hebrews 1 and try and place the trinity in there! It makes no sense. Jesus is not that Majesty on High, He is the Son of the Majesty on High and that is why He sits on the right hand side of His Father. Paul even speaks of all things being put under the Father once everything is finished, this includes Christ.
All Adventist pioneers came out of trinitarian churches and when studying scripture after the great disappointment they learned that it was a false doctrine and did not include it in the pillars of faith. To say that later Gid showed them that the light given was wrong and they should go back to believing in the trinity is complete rubbish. EGW and husband were non trinitarians til the day they died! Just like all the other pioneers. It was the Jesuits that slowly brought in this lie after their death.
W😮W At 26:40-28:16 you read two quotes that reveals the Father and the Son on the throne and Christ person is like his Father’s but No Holy Spirit on the throne with them and no mention of the Holy Spirit having a form like God and Christ, having no evidence for the Holy Spirit and still believe in the trinity is a strong delusion W😮W again
You can read Ellen White's statements on Holy Spirit as the third person of the Godhead.
@@timoflink2686 yes, the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Godhead, but she ALSO calls it an agency, representative and the Spirit of Christ and God! How do you marry those statements? The third person of the Godhead was formed by the life Jesus wrought out as a human here in earth. That life is what He gives to us to overcome. How else can He be our comforter if it is not part of the Lord Himself. This Trinity third person version never came to earth in humanity and suffered, how can he possibly relate? Jesus gives us power through His life that He lives to overcome. That is the whole reason for the comforter. That is why He could give a portion of His Holy Spirit to His disciples when He breathed on them and then the fullness was given after His inauguration. You don’t breath another being onto somebody! Do you realise what you advocate?
@@Natasha-jo3hk Read Romans 8.
@@Natasha-jo3hk and for the record, the Holy Spirit is not an "it". The Bible uses "He". He's a REAL person distinct from the Father and the Son. So says EGW as well.
@@timoflink2686 so you think we need another intercessor as well as Christ? I have heard it taught by trinitarians that we need the spirit to come to Jesus and then Jesus to God! Sorry Timo, but Jesus is all we need. He is the way, the truth and the life and no one comes to the Father but by Him.
This poor doctor is as confused and indoctrinated as I was when I discovered I've been deceived
From dust bin to trash can.
I wonder if those who are anti trinity realize they agree with all anti Christian religions as well as Mormons and witnesses, The question is why do all those who are against Christian hate the trinity, is it because there is a trinity and they hate and fear it . Should make us think?
Umm. I'm christian and I am non-trinitarian. The original adventist had a lot of non-trinitarians. When original Adventists broke up it divided into sub-groups , one of which became 7th day Adventists. If you look at myself and those like me though, we never bought into the trinity but yes, we are Christians and spring from the original adventist church. The same place your church came from. Not all Adventists are trinitarians, nor were they ever. Know your church history.
Yes, think even of Islam.. they say one God and surely don’t accept Jesus as the divine Son of God. A non-trinitarian Christian would argue, oh but we believe Jesus was divine.. but it’s semantics at that point. How is he divine if he is not in the form of God? Is he like an angel?
Exactly
Depth and the breadth and the width and the height... All the love of God which is in Christ Jesus? No he didn't say that because he's trying to promote the Trinity and that's to nontrinitarian.
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. Hebrews 9, 8-28
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Timelessness of God is a Greek philosophical presupposition, which the Bible does not support. God of the Bible lives in time and space.
@@timoflink2686 - From where do you want to get this false idea. With matter God created time and space: first day (Genesis 1). That HE is everywhere (Psalm 139) does not mean that HE were bound by space and time which HE HIMSELF created.
The prayer of a Trinitarian is unbiblical, Jesus clearly taught to pray to the Father in his(Jesus) name yet the trinitarian will start off praying to the Father then Jesus then back to the Father saying “your Spirit” but in mind not the Father’s own spirit but another divine being that doesn’t exist trying to include him(the Spirit)in the prayer when it will never fit because it’s a Father and Son relationship. “No one goes onto the Father but by me” Have we forgot the ole saying “Two is a company Three is a crowd”
And yet we are baptized in the name of all three. Read Matt. 28:18-20.
@@timoflink2686 it was changed or suspected of change. A lot was probably changed. The orthodox church wanted everyone to comply with it. Don't believe? Do some research. The original Nazarene did not believe in the trinity.
@@itsallminor6133 I have done in-depth studies on the original text of the New Testament. Matt. 28:19 is original the way it reads: πορευθέντες μαθητεύσατε πάντα τὰ ἔθνη, βαπτίζοντες αὐτοὺς εἰς τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ Πατρὸς καὶ τοῦ Υἱοῦ καὶ τοῦ ῾Αγίου Πνεύματος (all three mentioned)
@@timoflink2686 wouldn't that depend on the manuscript? The claim is the earlier manuscripts did not. I have not seen them for myself. I go by books and online information unfortunately it is what i have available. I don't necessarily think it doesn't say it. The question is what year was it added and what is the script dated
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Start at 30:18
The accusation on math 28 was they were added and not found in earlier manuscripts or the quotes of like st Jerome of those passages. I has been going on for years. Thoughts?
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5, 24
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it. Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 8, 1-39
And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
1 Corinthians 3, 1-23
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit. Ephesians 2, 1-22
So basically we now believe the Nicean creed and have an orthodox view of the Godhead.
No, we don't. There are aspects of Nicean creed which we do not subscribe to.
Very convincing, but I don't buy it. Why should I believe this guy? Because he is an academic? I think not. It is not safe to go against the consensus of the Pioneers in the 1872 Fundamental Principles. There they were all agreed that God is one person, the Father. Jesus Christ is His literal Son. And the Holy Spiritual is the Omnipresence of them both.
Then you must reject the following statement by necessity.
Ellen G. White: "There are three living persons of the heavenly trio. In the name of these three powers,--the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will cooperate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ. {BTS, March 1, 1906 par. 2}
You should accept what the SCRIPTURES say, not what 1872 Fundamental Principles said. our pioneers moved away from that 1872 statement.
Don't be Agrippa 🙈
Have you EVER read the preamble to this 1872 document? I assume you did not. You should.
Pr. What you are teaching is deception. You are deceiving because you are deceived. GOD one, the Father and God of Jesus.
I noticed anti trinitarians get VERY angry. Especially when you tell them and show them in the bible the clear quotes. I used to be a staunch anti trinitarian, but I fled from it as soon as I realized it doesn't hold a flame to any true study of the bible. It appeals to the rebellious in the church. You can immediately see the devil in these people when you engage them in an honest study of the bible. RUclips has created these people, who learn everything from anyone on the internet or youtube. Then they go around and spout it, with 0 study of the scriptures, no real application of their own study to their character, but what they ARE good at is going around and telling people how they are all misled, typical pharisee. The less I studied my bible, the more anti trinitarinism looked logical, the more I studied my bible the more I wanted to revert BACK to being a trinitarian.
They also say, its a catholic creation. And it was "created" in the council of nicea. This is a BUTCHERING of actual history. The word trinity in reference to God being 3 in 1, existed atleast 100+ years before that council was adjourned. Also, the Godhead is not the same as believing the Trinity.
For you adventists out there, Ellen White is discarded by Anti Trinitarians because they believe her support of the Trinity is automatic false flag. So much ignorance could be cured, if people would just read their bible, have a true life changing transformation through Christ. Running around and spouting the same degree of Pharisaical dogma while making 0 effort to realize you can know people BY THEIR FRUIT. Trinity or NON TRINITY, your fruit will reveal who you serve. Have a good day.
Return to our pioneer teachings, and God will forgive you.
@@BrightBeamsMission From EGW:
The Holy Spirit exalts and glorifies the Saviour. It is His office to present Christ, the purity of His righteousness, and the great salvation that we have through Him. Jesus says, "He shall receive of Mine, and shall show it unto you." John 16:14.
If the Holy Spirit is Jesus, it would mean that Jesus is exalting and glorifying himself. Satan is the one who exalts and glorify himself.
Luke 14:11
“For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.”
@@djpr8 The same author repeatedly identifies the Holy Spirit as the Spirit of CHRIST.
JESUS is above the Law; it is not sin for Him to exalt Himself. The idea that GOD (or CHRIST) does not exalt Himself is a fallacy. But with that said, the office of the Holy Spirit is distinct from CHRIST Himself. This office involves Christians. There is a circuit of beneficence.
@@BrightBeamsMission You are assuming that Jesus can exalt himself, nowhere in the Bible and the SOP I read that.
Isaiah 9:6
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
Jesus is called the everlasting Father. Is he the father? So you be reading the Bible Baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit of Christ. It doesn't make any sense.
John 14:16
“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;”
Jesus is asking the father for another comforter different than the Father and Christ.
There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers -the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit--those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.- Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, pp. 62, 63. (1905) -Evangelism 615.1
"The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God. "For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God."--Manuscript 20, 1906. {Ev 617.1}
"We are to co-operate with the three highest powers in heaven,--the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, --and these powers will work through us, making us workers together with God.--Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, p. 51. (1905) {Ev 617.3}
I was always wondering does anti trinitarians believe in EGW with so clear statements, but looks like you guys are rejecting her, and following the Pioneers. IF knowing the Godhead is so important to our salvation why didn't the Bible gave a warning or Ellen White. But you don't find anything cause is one of the winds of doctrine out there. They say we are worshipping Satan, but Ellen White is clear that Satan will receive worship through the Papacy, not the Holy Spirit. When there is heresy strife follows, works of the flesh, those who teach heresys will not inherit the kingdom of God.
2 Corinthians 13:14, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all.
You will read it like The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Spirit of Christ, be with you all. It doesn't make any sense, why a name the Holy Ghost? He is a person.
@@djpr8 You're making all kinds of assumptions here, and you'll only get yourself into trouble doing that. I believe exactly what the Spirit of Prophecy says in the writings of Sister White, but you are twisting it to make me and others who believe as I do to say things that I am not.
Let me ask you: Do *you* believe in three distinct persons of the Godhead (as the Spirit of Prophecy says)?
Do you refer to GOD as "He" and "Him," as the Bible (and Sister White) does, or "they" and "them"? Do you believe in the personality of GOD-that He is a tangible person in heaven? or do you believe the impossibility that "He" is three? Do you believe that CHRIST and the Holy Spirit are separate from "Him" or do you call all three "Him"?