Certainly but then there would be no country. Hearing the presenter I could well imagine the attitude of the so called Hindus over the many millennia who would give their honour and ethics away for a few pennies or praise
Why? Wants to distort universally? Get a balanced version . Indian History is too polarised . We have to cherry pick truths from the narratives from either side.
This is a common confusion that Non-Muslims just don't understand. Under Islamic Law all citizens must usually pay taxes. For Muslims, the tax was called 'Zakat' and for Non-Muslims, the tax was called 'Jizyah'.
Presentation of Mr.Arora is superb. The whole thing when finished should be brought out as one volume as a presentation to hear and as a full book to read and ponder over. Congratulations the Wire and Mr. Arora
Mr. ARORA first of all thanks you lot for bringing this amazing series , I watched all the episodes of this series they are very fascinating and enjoyable thanks to your lucid presentation...I want to make demand for some more episodes on Chola empire, sangam age, Delhi sultanate, and Temples Architecture. ❤
An excellent presentation based on research.A very valuable contribution for those who wants to rise above their prejudices and gain an insight about the actual facts recorded in India's history.Congratilations to all the team members who contributed in this presentation.Please keep up the good work.
Nobody in history could ever say that Vijaynagar was an Islamic resistance kingdom...but certainly was an powerful Hindu kingdom...very different looking than an Islamic India..
Agree with 50% of what has been shown here. Disagree with the rest. Caste was prevalent in Vijayanagara as it was in just about every other Hindu and Muslim kingdom in India at that time, with Brahmins forming the privileged elite. But that doesn't mean that the social system was never questioned in Vijayanagara, or that the kings of that empire never accepted meritocracy. The saint Kanakadasa (mentioned in this video) himself is a case at point. Firstly, Kanakadasaru was not a "Dalit", but Kuruba (shepherd community: they're called Dhangar in Maharashtra. The later day Holkars of Indore would hail from this community) by origin. Kurubas were considered "Shudra" as per the caste hierarchy, and not outcaste. As per Kanakadasaru's biography (that has come down to us through oral legends), his father used to be a high ranking army officer in the court of King Krishnadevaraya, which means that caste was not a barrier to merit at least in military and administrative affairs. So Kanakadasa lived a happy and prosperous childhood with his father being able to appoint Brahmin teachers to tutor him. He grew up up to become a scholar, warrior and administrator, but then various events in his life instilled a sense of renunciation in him, due to which he relinquished his administrative position in the Vijayanagara court and went on to become the Bhakti saint we know him as today. Being well lettered since childhood, Kanakadasa was always a gifted poet: in fact, those poems in which he offers his harshest critique against caste discrimination are said to belong to the "pre-renunciation" period of his life, ie when he was employed at the Vijayanagara court! Secondly, the trend of dubbing Bhakti-devotionalism as another form of Brahminism in this series of videos is inappropriate. In case of saint Kanakadasa we're discussing here, after he resigned from worldly affairs, he became a disciple of Swami Vyasatirtha, a famous Vaishnavite monk belonging to the tradition of Madhwacharya. Vyasatirtha was a Bhakti saint-poet in his own right, but was also the preceptor to King Krishnadevaraya and the high-priest of the Tirumala Tirupati temple, which made him the Rajya-guru of the Vijayanagara kingdom! Vyasatirtha was a Brahmin by origin, but he had no qualms about admitting Kanakadasa into his cloister. Coincidentally, Vyasatirtha was Guru to saint Purandaradasa (again, mentioned in this video) as well, which makes all the three saint-poets contemporaries as well as compatriots! So considering Kanakadasa's poetry as "folk" and the works of Vyasatirtha and Purandaradasa as "orthodox Brahminical" makes no sense.
Good explanation Rohit, I can talk about this episode, as I hail from Karnataka and have done lot of unbiased reading on history of Karnataka. I agree to most of your information here. Due to lot of inaccuracies, I went back to see Mr Arora's credentials, and nothing stands clear about his dept of knowledge in Karnataka history. I can't talk about other episodes, as I have not done Indepth reading. I feel, it will be the same with the rest of the episodes. I feel everybody is trying to break happiness and commonsense of simple, hardworking, people. Most people are not obsessed with religion or history (especially fake history) like what we see now. Most people want to have a peaceful and moral life and good family values.
@rohitvenkateshwaran You say, "the trend of dubbing Bhakti-devotionalism as another form of Brahminism in this series of videos is inappropriate." Where do you see that? I think it's a gross misreading on your part. He has clearly distinguished between the two, in this and also in previous episodes. If you believe your understanding is correct, cite some quotes etc. from the episode. Of course, the two sometimes had similar effects-like pushing out the sex-positive Tantric religion-but otherwise they are rightly depicted at distinct in the series, in their origins, beliefs, and practices.
Let's be clear. This isn't a doctoral thesis, but brief articulation of the highlights of an era in easily digestible and interest evoking form. The presenter has done a brilliant job in that respect. Coming to the two points you have raised, the second one is clearly a misreading (or mis-viewing). Namit hasn't called Bhakti as another form of Brahminism, in fact he has clearly differentiated between the two in earlier episodes and also de-hyphenated them here. Coming to your first objection I am a little perplexed. You are using an exception to counter the general view that casteism was the norm. Of course there would be a rare exception. In your comment you have said how Kanakadasa had his harshest criticism coming even while he himself was in the royal service. Unless you are calling him a liar, this is a first hand account what he saw around him, irrespective whether he himself suffered any burnt. Also Namit didn't say Kanakadasa was a dalit, but a shepherd (15:40).
It's an eye opener. All they were after is power and wealth. Religion never really mattered like people of current times would like to believe. Krishna Deva Raya's period of rule is described as Golden age of Telugu literature. I guess their love for indulgence in arts and literature is what made them memorable
That's partially true. If Vijayanagar empire really subjugated other regions, those regions and their descendants would remember the atrocities as part of collective history.
Fascinating history.... I am always anxiously waiting for the next episode. Thanks for all the work that goes into making this series. Very enlightening, at a time when history is being distorted.
The best thing about the comment section under 'Indians' series is that it's free from rude people. If it's not because of actual comment deletion by The Wire, then it's commendable...
Wonderful, vivid , comprehensive elaboration of the topic of the whole subject of mediaeval history of India. Sincere applaud to your intellectual prowess and oration skills.❤❤❤
Vijaynagara empire always fascinated me. Having vivid account of the past empire through this narration is very interesting informative and refreshing. So many misconceptions cleared and made transparent the whole idea of imaginary conceptions.
15:37 there is not only one lower caste poet, you can find many lower caste poets of the era who gives glimpses of their social lives..many in marathi... as marathi was also the language in Vijaynagar Empire...the read the writings of Chokha Mela...he gives the best descriptions of Lower caste people lives in central deccan..
What is stopping wire to do this Series in Hindi Language if they want to change the mind of Indian Hindus then it should be in Hindi Language as well,I request them to run this series in both English and Hindi Language...!!!👍
I have thoroughly enjoyed all the episodes and looking forward to the next ones. A suggestion , if these can be edited a bit to make it suitable for high-school students and published separately as such.Also if you can publish it in major Indian languages with some good voice over artist/ scholar. Most of the schools lack good history teachers and history books are boring. Your videos can be of immense help.
I don't know why I get through this torture of seeing the wire vedio every time it's posted, the italian guy says no one knew how vijaynagar queens lived , immediately proceeds with women were persecuted ree..... what is Madhura Vijayam then ? Gangamba Devi not a poet how is she describing muslmans in that book ?
guy, accusing Vijayanagar of patriarchy & castiesm is also saying , oh don't judge it by binary of Muslims & Hindus when he clearly states that empire was ruled by Hindus common man, tera narrative narrative dusroka narrative not narrative...it's simple if you start looking for consensus in history you'll end up accepting narrative so listen to both sides
when you speak about the empire with the less strong economic base being more warlike, I wonder if this is a pattern that can be generalized? would it be fair to say that economically more stable and prosperous 'kingdoms' have been (generally) less warlike? if so, this certainly could explain the invaders from central Asia (without a strong economic base?) coming into the stable, prosperous IVC.
I am grateful for your coverage of the history of S India here. But please - you dont have to go overboard to combat RSS BJP. Your viewers are not children and they know whats happening in the politics of education and history today. In 30 minutes I still know nothing about where Vinayanagar came from, the extent of its empire, and how it conquered it. Nor do you spend more than a token amount of time on its cultural achievements.
Excellent content and presentation. I need some more information about the source materials for the description of the condition of women described in this video. Could you please help identify the core text used (out of a long list of texts cited above). The locals in Hampi (especially the tour guides) are completely in denial about the status of women. That's not unusual. The tour guides at Chittor are absolute sure of the existence of Rani Padmini, despite no evidence of her being a real person
Good to see history with a different and factual perspective. To complete Indians -A brief History of ......, you need to also cover the histories of further South - 'Tamilakam' and its various periods. Different Sangan eras. Please do your research and bring out the history of this important and different region.
Wire kindly release it on more platforms in different languages.
The country need to watch this.
Certainly but then there would be no country. Hearing the presenter I could well imagine the attitude of the so called Hindus over the many millennia who would give their honour and ethics away for a few pennies or praise
@@anand1pillaiesa nhi hai na to be posted😊 3rr😊
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Why? Wants to distort universally? Get a balanced version . Indian History is too polarised . We have to cherry pick truths from the narratives from either side.
Muslim rulers exempted Muslims but taxed only non-Muslims. Two of those taxes are jizya and Khara.
Sorry it was Kharaj. Given this, how did Hindu rulers of that time collected taxes? Were they at least taxed in a fair and balanced way?
This is a common confusion that Non-Muslims just don't understand. Under Islamic Law all citizens must usually pay taxes. For Muslims, the tax was called 'Zakat' and for Non-Muslims, the tax was called 'Jizyah'.
Zakat is one of the 5 pillars of Islam:
1. Iman (Faith/Belief)
2. Salat (Prayer)
3. Zakat (Tax)
4. Saum (Fasting in Ramadan)
5. Haj (Pilgrimmage)
Thank you for setting the records of history straight
Dear Namit Ji, We are grateful u bring these history episodes and presenting a very logical pictures.
There is a clear slant in his theme of presentation, almost appearing paid!
Logic may be but the partisan agenda of favouring extrinsic forces but paining the intrinsic in a poor light is obvious.
This guy is a mercenary for jihad
I have been watching the series enthusiastically from the beginning. I would love an episode about the Northeast in the later episodes.
Like Nehru's Discovery of India..... Bharat ek Khoj
Thoroughly enjoying and loving this series....awesome!
Presentation of Mr.Arora is superb. The whole thing when finished should be brought out as one volume as a presentation to hear and as a full book to read and ponder over. Congratulations the Wire and Mr. Arora
Good to see a brutally objective history!
Would reserve my opinion till I see how he portrays the Invasions of the barbarians
@@kunals8022he portrays them as liberators.
Mr. ARORA first of all thanks you lot for bringing this amazing series , I watched all the episodes of this series they are very fascinating and enjoyable thanks to your lucid presentation...I want to make demand for some more episodes on Chola empire, sangam age, Delhi sultanate, and Temples Architecture. ❤
Amazing. I always make sure to add a comment to increase the reach. Will you please do an episode on the Bengal and East region. Thanks.
Exactly - very little authentic research videos on history of bengal
An excellent presentation based on research.A very valuable contribution for those who wants to rise above their prejudices and gain an insight about the actual facts recorded in India's history.Congratilations to all the team members who contributed in this presentation.Please keep up the good work.
Nobody in history could ever say that Vijaynagar was an Islamic resistance kingdom...but certainly was an powerful Hindu kingdom...very different looking than an Islamic India..
Excellent presentation,👏👏
Agree with 50% of what has been shown here. Disagree with the rest.
Caste was prevalent in Vijayanagara as it was in just about every other Hindu and Muslim kingdom in India at that time, with Brahmins forming the privileged elite. But that doesn't mean that the social system was never questioned in Vijayanagara, or that the kings of that empire never accepted meritocracy. The saint Kanakadasa (mentioned in this video) himself is a case at point. Firstly, Kanakadasaru was not a "Dalit", but Kuruba (shepherd community: they're called Dhangar in Maharashtra. The later day Holkars of Indore would hail from this community) by origin. Kurubas were considered "Shudra" as per the caste hierarchy, and not outcaste. As per Kanakadasaru's biography (that has come down to us through oral legends), his father used to be a high ranking army officer in the court of King Krishnadevaraya, which means that caste was not a barrier to merit at least in military and administrative affairs. So Kanakadasa lived a happy and prosperous childhood with his father being able to appoint Brahmin teachers to tutor him. He grew up up to become a scholar, warrior and administrator, but then various events in his life instilled a sense of renunciation in him, due to which he relinquished his administrative position in the Vijayanagara court and went on to become the Bhakti saint we know him as today. Being well lettered since childhood, Kanakadasa was always a gifted poet: in fact, those poems in which he offers his harshest critique against caste discrimination are said to belong to the "pre-renunciation" period of his life, ie when he was employed at the Vijayanagara court!
Secondly, the trend of dubbing Bhakti-devotionalism as another form of Brahminism in this series of videos is inappropriate. In case of saint Kanakadasa we're discussing here, after he resigned from worldly affairs, he became a disciple of Swami Vyasatirtha, a famous Vaishnavite monk belonging to the tradition of Madhwacharya. Vyasatirtha was a Bhakti saint-poet in his own right, but was also the preceptor to King Krishnadevaraya and the high-priest of the Tirumala Tirupati temple, which made him the Rajya-guru of the Vijayanagara kingdom! Vyasatirtha was a Brahmin by origin, but he had no qualms about admitting Kanakadasa into his cloister. Coincidentally, Vyasatirtha was Guru to saint Purandaradasa (again, mentioned in this video) as well, which makes all the three saint-poets contemporaries as well as compatriots! So considering Kanakadasa's poetry as "folk" and the works of Vyasatirtha and Purandaradasa as "orthodox Brahminical" makes no sense.
Good explanation Rohit, I can talk about this episode, as I hail from Karnataka and have done lot of unbiased reading on history of Karnataka. I agree to most of your information here. Due to lot of inaccuracies, I went back to see Mr Arora's credentials, and nothing stands clear about his dept of knowledge in Karnataka history. I can't talk about other episodes, as I have not done Indepth reading. I feel, it will be the same with the rest of the episodes. I feel everybody is trying to break happiness and commonsense of simple, hardworking, people. Most people are not obsessed with religion or history (especially fake history) like what we see now. Most people want to have a peaceful and moral life and good family values.
@rohitvenkateshwaran You say, "the trend of dubbing Bhakti-devotionalism as another form of Brahminism in this series of videos is inappropriate."
Where do you see that? I think it's a gross misreading on your part. He has clearly distinguished between the two, in this and also in previous episodes. If you believe your understanding is correct, cite some quotes etc. from the episode. Of course, the two sometimes had similar effects-like pushing out the sex-positive Tantric religion-but otherwise they are rightly depicted at distinct in the series, in their origins, beliefs, and practices.
Let's be clear. This isn't a doctoral thesis, but brief articulation of the highlights of an era in easily digestible and interest evoking form. The presenter has done a brilliant job in that respect. Coming to the two points you have raised, the second one is clearly a misreading (or mis-viewing). Namit hasn't called Bhakti as another form of Brahminism, in fact he has clearly differentiated between the two in earlier episodes and also de-hyphenated them here. Coming to your first objection I am a little perplexed. You are using an exception to counter the general view that casteism was the norm. Of course there would be a rare exception. In your comment you have said how Kanakadasa had his harshest criticism coming even while he himself was in the royal service. Unless you are calling him a liar, this is a first hand account what he saw around him, irrespective whether he himself suffered any burnt. Also Namit didn't say Kanakadasa was a dalit, but a shepherd (15:40).
well done and please continue with more such
It's an eye opener. All they were after is power and wealth. Religion never really mattered like people of current times would like to believe. Krishna Deva Raya's period of rule is described as Golden age of Telugu literature. I guess their love for indulgence in arts and literature is what made them memorable
That's partially true. If Vijayanagar empire really subjugated other regions, those regions and their descendants would remember the atrocities as part of collective history.
Excellent sir.
Really enjoyed
Fascinating history.... I am always anxiously waiting for the next episode. Thanks for all the work that goes into making this series. Very enlightening, at a time when history is being distorted.
Any body else gets so excited to see new episode on youtube feed!!
Please think about compiling these episodes as a book, dvd etc before they are taken down.
Amazed by this new series on Indian history!!!...lovenit❤❤❤
5:08 thank you ANAM SHEIKH JI for your such a secular video editing 😅😅😅
Fantastic episode. Read Rushdie's Victory City recently and this is all the more interesting right now..
Hooked to this series....very well written and directed👍
The best thing about the comment section under 'Indians' series is that it's free from rude people. If it's not because of actual comment deletion by The Wire, then it's commendable...
Leftists never accept criticism.
My comment would be deleted immediately.
Wonderful, vivid , comprehensive elaboration of the topic of the whole subject of mediaeval history of India. Sincere applaud to your intellectual prowess and oration skills.❤❤❤
They failed to innovate when they needed it the most
Well done wire...keep it up ❤
Excellently explained and documented...Thanks WIRE
Great work. Please never stop telling the facts.
Wonderful explanation 🙏🙏🙏
Shukriya ❤
Good lecture. Thanks
As classy as always it is👌
Bribery is part of our culture😂😂😂
Amazing narration as always ❤🎉
Excellent analysis.
Sir please make 2nd part of foreign travellers
Great insights, as always.
Intresting history telling ways ty sir👍
Excellent!
Vijaynagara empire always fascinated me. Having vivid account of the past empire through this narration is very interesting informative and refreshing. So many misconceptions cleared and made transparent the whole idea of imaginary conceptions.
15:37 there is not only one lower caste poet, you can find many lower caste poets of the era who gives glimpses of their social lives..many in marathi... as marathi was also the language in Vijaynagar Empire...the read the writings of Chokha Mela...he gives the best descriptions of Lower caste people lives in central deccan..
Excellent visuals . Thank you sir
Fabulous series. Thank you Mr. Arora. Much needed in today’s day and age.
What is stopping wire to do this Series in Hindi Language if they want to change the mind of Indian Hindus then it should be in Hindi Language as well,I request them to run this series in both English and Hindi Language...!!!👍
Thank you for this enthralling series on the History of India. Very informative, educational, insightful !! The series should reach a wider audience.
Thanks
A Good job done
I have thoroughly enjoyed all the episodes and looking forward to the next ones.
A suggestion , if these can be edited a bit to make it suitable for high-school students and published separately as such.Also if you can publish it in major Indian languages with some good voice over artist/ scholar. Most of the schools lack good history teachers and history books are boring. Your videos can be of immense help.
I don't know why I get through this torture of seeing the wire vedio every time it's posted, the italian guy says no one knew how vijaynagar queens lived , immediately proceeds with women were persecuted ree..... what is Madhura Vijayam then ? Gangamba Devi not a poet how is she describing muslmans in that book ?
Very informative! I wish to see an episode on Northeast India also.
Very nice series
Thanks for your hard work sir
Very good analysis
amazing history of South India
I eagerly wait for your episode of Indians, an excellent factual account of our history
Please release it in Hindi too. It will help many. Waiting for the next episode ❤
Thanks Again as Always
So fascinating.. ❤
Thanks Namit sir i love the way you narrate. Awesome work, fantastic research.
Please upload next episode its very interesting series
I am waiting for next episode
guy, accusing Vijayanagar of patriarchy & castiesm is also saying , oh don't judge it by binary of Muslims & Hindus when he clearly states that empire was ruled by Hindus common man, tera narrative narrative dusroka narrative not narrative...it's simple if you start looking for consensus in history you'll end up accepting narrative so listen to both sides
Always waiting for next episode
Excellent....
Loved the whole series, great research and presentation, Bohat zabardast Namit Sahib, Samandar ko qoozay mai band kardia apnay!!
when you speak about the empire with the less strong economic base being more warlike, I wonder if this is a pattern that can be generalized? would it be fair to say that economically more stable and prosperous 'kingdoms' have been (generally) less warlike? if so, this certainly could explain the invaders from central Asia (without a strong economic base?) coming into the stable, prosperous IVC.
👍👍👍 for each and every segment
Thank you for clear growth mindset brief on south Indian history.
I am grateful for your coverage of the history of S India here. But please - you dont have to go overboard to combat RSS BJP. Your viewers are not children and they know whats happening in the politics of education and history today. In 30 minutes I still know nothing about where Vinayanagar came from, the extent of its empire, and how it conquered it. Nor do you spend more than a token amount of time on its cultural achievements.
high respect for this report
Great informative episode
Good knowledge
Thank you sir..
Wonderful series
Very informative series👍
It felt like reading a history book authored by a scholar named "UNBIASED" . Netflix worthy materials. Let it come....
Excellent content and presentation. I need some more information about the source materials for the description of the condition of women described in this video. Could you please help identify the core text used (out of a long list of texts cited above). The locals in Hampi (especially the tour guides) are completely in denial about the status of women. That's not unusual. The tour guides at Chittor are absolute sure of the existence of Rani Padmini, despite no evidence of her being a real person
Thanks for analysis
Hakka raya and bukka raya were kannada feudal commanders of Telugu Kakatiyas kings
Such a nicely done series .. This will go in history as reference material...great work.
Excellent analysis. Thanks for the beautiful video essay, keep continuing this great work.
Supar
Sir, You could have used some more accounts of information from the russian traveller Afanasy Nikintin
Good to see history with a different and factual perspective. To complete Indians -A brief History of ......, you need to also cover the histories of further South - 'Tamilakam' and its various periods. Different Sangan eras. Please do your research and bring out the history of this important and different region.
Life in the last was more cruel an unfair than present times
why did not talk about Cheras, Cholas and Pandya Kings who were more powerful than many kings in the world?
Wonderful series. Looking forward to the next episode.
Really enjoying this series..
Have also shared it! Thank you Sir! 😊
❤
Profoundly moved by your learned approach in dealing with history. Reminiscent of the educational standards of the 1950s.
this episode open the Pandora's box of lies and shame for both north and south Indians....yeh to dhoti khol raha hai sabki :P
History well told in a balanced realism, a nuance generally missing. Love from Pakistan.
This episode want to translate in hindi language to understand anybody who cant english language
Pampa is pale kannadam name
Hampa is hale kannadam name
Very exceptional series
Wonderful insight, love this series!
This series is just marvelous! Many many thanks! Please keep these gems coming!❤