Indians | Ep 9: The Mughals and Bernier | A Brief History of a Civilization
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- Опубликовано: 29 фев 2024
- Research, Script and Narration by Namit Arora;
Producer: The Wire;
Director: Natasha Badhwar;
Camera: Ajmal Jami;
Video Editor: Anam Sheikh.
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The story of India is one of profound and continuous change. It has been shaped by the dynamic of migration, conflict, mixing, coexistence, and cooperation. In this ten-part web series, Namit Arora tells the story of Indians and our civilization by exploring some of our greatest historical sites, most of which were lost to memory and were dug out by archaeologists. He will also focus on ancient and medieval foreign travellers whose idiosyncratic accounts conceal surprising insights about us Indians. All along, Arora surveys India’s long and exciting churn of cultural ideas, beliefs, and values-some that still shape us today, and others that have been lost forever. The series mostly mirrors-and often extends-the contents of his book, Indians: A Brief History of a Civilization. Bibliography appears below.
EPISODE 9: THE MUGHALS AND BERNIER
The Mughal Empire was founded in 1526 by Babur, who was part of a long line of people-since at least the Indo-Aryans-to have entered and settled in the subcontinent. It grew to become the largest, most opulent empire yet in India. As with most long-lasting, multi-ethnic, and multilingual empires, most Mughal rulers too espoused pragmatic ideals, especially Akbar and Jahangir. Co-opting elites from diverse groups of Hindus into their administration, they presided over a brilliant fusion of Indo-Persian culture and syncretic creations in art, architecture, literature, music, dance, painting, cuisine, dress, crafts, and more.
In 1658, a French doctor, François Bernier, came to Delhi as a physician to Dara Shikoh, and wrote about the bloody war of royal succession and the first decade of Aurangzeb’s rule. Bernier’s insightful account describes Mughal courtly culture in Delhi, the economic condition of Indians, their science and intellectual life, and Hindu cultural and religious customs. Scholars routinely critique the Mughal Empire’s record on many fronts, but the Mughals have lately also attracted much cultural vilification, especially from Hindu nationalists. They allege that the Mughals persecuted and forcibly converted Hindus to Islam on a large scale, and indiscriminately desecrated tens of thousands of temples. Is that true? Arora will explore the evidence behind such allegations-and a lot more-in this episode.
PARTIAL BIBLIOGRAPHY / FURTHER READING
Alavi, Seema (Ed); The Eighteenth Century in India; OUP, 2002
Asher, Catherine B.; Cynthia Talbot, India before Europe; CUP, 2006
Babur; Hiro, Dilip (Editor); Babur Nama: Journal of Emperor Babur; Penguin India, 2006
Bernier, Francois; Travels in the Mogul Empire: AD 1656-68; Trans. by Archibald Constable. 2nd Ed. by Vincent. A Smith. Low Price Publications, Delhi
Chakravarty, Manas; 'World History by Per Capita GDP'; 25 Aug 2010, Livemint.com
Doniger, Wendy; The Hindus: An Alternative History; Penguin, 2009
Eaton, Richard M.; India in the Persianate Age 1000-1765; Allen Lane, 2019
Eaton, Richard M.; Temple Descecration and Indo-Muslim States; Journal of Islamic Studies 11:3 (2000) pp. 283-319 © Oxford Centre for Islamic Studies 2000
Kumar, Sunil; Demolishing Myths or Mosques and Temples?: Readings on History and Temple Desecration in Medieval India; Three Essays Collective, 2008
Maddison Project Database 2020 (Bolt and van Zanden (2020)) on comparative economic growth and income levels over the very long run
Raychaudhuri, Tapan; Habib, Irfan (Editors); The Cambridge Economic History of India; CUP, 1982
Richards, John F; The New Cambridge History of India: The Mughal Empire; CUP, 1993
Roy, Tirthankar; An Economic History of India 1707-1857; Routledge, 2021
Salam, Ziya Us; 'Imaginary Enemies'; Frontline, Mar 06, 2021
Sen, Sudipta; Ganga: The Many Pasts of a River; Gurgaon, Viking, 2019
Tambiah, S. J. (1998); 'What did Bernier actually say? Profiling the Mughal empire'; Contributions to Indian Sociology, 32(2), 361-386
Ticku, Rohit and Shrivastava, Anand and Iyer, Sriya; 'Holy Wars? Temple Desecrations in Medieval India'; SSRN Electronic Journal, January 19, 2017.
Truschke, Audrey; Aurangzeb: The Life and Legacy of India’s Most Controversial King; Stanford University Press, 2017
Truschke, Audrey; The Language of History: Sanskrit Narratives of Indo-Muslim Rule; Columbia University Press, 2021
Thapar, Romila; Noorani, AG; Menon, Sadanand, On Nationalism, Aleph, 2016
Thapar, Romila, The Past as Present, Aleph, 2014
Unbiased, Insightful, and beautiful, This is beyond amazing Namit. India will be in debt for this.
Mughal empire was a collaboration between turko mongols and Rajput s( barring Mewar etc). Most of mughal history padshah begums and chief commander of mughal army were Rajputs. Hindu elites were fine during both mughal and british rule.
That is the crux of Medieval Indian history that is sidestepped yet shapes our wold even today
To think brahmins never paid taxes for thousands of years is insane... no wonder they want Hindu rashtra ... I mean a country without taxes would be paradise for them.
Hindu nationalism which originated in maratha land and dominated by maratha brahmins came out of frustration in not being able to take over from mughals. ( British colonizers nipped their ambition). Though fact remains that maratha atrocities in many states are remembered even to this day.
wonderful narration, every Saturday I’m eagerly awaiting these episodes. Thanks.
It is a pleasant coincidence that last night I read the Chapter on Bernier's India and now I am watching the Episode on the Wire presented by Namit Arora.
One must admire the kind of Research done by Namit for
this Project.
I am sure this brief HISTORY of a Civilization will be immensely useful to the Students of India's History and Citizens.
I dont think it make sense in taking these testimonials by foreign travelers at face value. Most of the things written are subjective assessments of someone who may limited by his ability to understand a foreign society, he may have his bias or prejudice, and he may have an agenda. We can be very sure about the correctness of such testimonials
In strict Islam, however, only Jews and Christians were allowed to pay the jizya and survive, because they were monotheists. Idol-worshipping Hindus (mushrkeen) would have to convert or be killed. Note: If Brahmins claimed monotheism, as some now do, that could explain their better treatment under Islam.
Yes, Muslims are allowed to marry non-Muslim women (monotheists in strict Islam), to help spread the faith. We now see this happening in the West quite effectively. The reverse is not allowed.
One important component not covered here, which helps us understand Asian and world history is the teachings of the foundational documents of Islam. The Quran, hadiths, sunnah - strongly encourage world conquest through vi.ol.ent force. That is likely part of the original impetus of expansion into India, although later rulers became more tolerant.
In contrast, although Islam considers itself related to the prior monotheistic faiths of Judaism and Christianity, neither Moses, Jesus, nor any of their scriptures teach to use force to spread the faith. That is why regions influenced by these religions tend to be tolerant.
--> Why not read the Bible today? Jesus Christ is the Satguru, Messiah, Dubh azeem, final sacrifice, and Savior.
@@prasenjitghosh5852 he says "this is what they wrote" and not "this is what happened", so...
Today a lot of controversies are stirring up based on Indian history backed by various ideologies political and regional.. so the most factual DNA studies have to be presented as the history for reference
6:21 romilla thapar reborn prematurely
To present any historic account in an unbiased way is one of the hardest things in the world. You have and are doing it so well.
Only once to try to remove the layers of our own prejudices and biases from history is when a clearer picture of our past emerges.
King Akbar is my Indian hero. ‘The truth is not a monopoly of a single religion but transcends most religions’ is what I’ve grown and learn to believe. If his tolerant legacy had flourished, what kind of Indian civilisation we could have had today!
Very well done indeed sir Nimit Arora!
I feel blessed to know the real history served by Namit Aurora. "Namaskar Sir " .
Brilliant series. An eye opener. Lot to learn, if we are open to question the binary that is fed to us for ages.
You seem like a very open minded, thoughtful and wise lecturer. As an Western educated engineer, I eagerly and earnestly listen to your presentations. A sincere follower of Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose and Bongobondhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. Since early childhood, I was always fascinated with Indian history. Dhanyabad.
2:43 hardly; hahaha, Just care to listen to the other side, they are equally capable brainwash experts
This should be part of all school curriculum
this should be a part of stand up comedy. This old chap is funny when he spits venom
@@animeshpandey1no venom probably you have hearing problems
Typo -->*decoding propaganda…
@@animeshpandey1 propaganda needed for PR agents of the cronies who bootlick the powerful, not for the people interested in gaining and disseminating knowledge.
Just outstanding work. ❤
I love this series! I have just placed an order of your book ‘Indians, a brief history of a civilisation’. I cannot wait to get into it! Thank you so much Sir!!!
GENEVA (16 January 2023) - UN experts* today expressed alarm at the reported rise in abductions, forced marriages and conversions of underage girls and young women from religious minorities in Pakistan and called for immediate efforts to curtail the practices and ensure justice for victims.
“We urge the Government to take immediate steps to prevent and thoroughly investigate these acts objectively and in line with domestic legislation and international human rights commitments. Perpetrators must be held fully accountable,” the experts said.
“We are deeply troubled to hear that girls as young as 13 are being kidnapped from their families, trafficked to locations far from their homes, made to marry men sometimes twice their age, and coerced to convert to Islam, all in violation of international human rights law,” the experts said. “We are very concerned that such marriages and conversions take place under threat of violence to these girls and women or their families.”
Noting Pakistan’s previous attempts to pass legislation that will prohibit forced conversions and protect religious minorities, the experts deplored the ongoing lack of access to justice for victims and their families. Reports suggest these so-called marriages and conversions take place with the involvement of religious authorities and the complicity of security forces and the justice system.
These reports also indicate that the court system enables these offenses by accepting, without critical examination, fraudulent evidence from perpetrators regarding victims’ adulthood, voluntary marriage, and conversion. Courts have on occasion misused interpretations of religious law to justify victims remaining with their abusers.
no money to buy it is it avilable free online
Brief? True. Few hundreds years is indeed brief. Mughals are just but fragmant of rich Indian history. I hope someday they start talking about more than brief
@@JustBigdata have you read the book?
@@lost_thoughts5416 No, unfortunately 😕 Amazon had sent me the wrong book.. I’ll look for it in a bookstore later this week!
Nowadays people dont like facts, but a false faith...
This is the best documentary of recent times on Indian history.
Another stunning narration with excellent details!!
Just like a wow❤😂. Sir when you say Hinduism. It is mostly Brahminism and upper caste domination as late as Early 1900s. Sri Chaitanya was a Brahmin in Nadia and so was Tulsidas.
The traditional Hindu dharam was restricted to savarnas and the temples of Savarnas were separated from the temples of lower castes ( having read few books written around 1800s anyone can find that out). The temples the Right Wing keep crying about were only restricted to Savarnas and Veda/ Sanskrit was deb vasha. Only Brahmins/Kyashtha could learn that. BJP should learn from Aurenzeb. Bigotry and bigots never win in a long run.
Yes, an important component not covered here, which helps us understand Asian and world history is the teachings of the foundational documents of Islam. The Quran, hadiths, sunnah - strongly encourage world conquest through vi.ol.ent force. That is likely part of the original impetus of expansion into India, although later rulers became more tolerant.
In contrast, although Islam considers itself related to the prior monotheistic faiths of Judaism and Christianity, neither Moses, Jesus, nor any of their scriptures teach to use force to spread the faith. That is why regions influenced by these religions tend to be tolerant.
--> Why not read the Bible today? Jesus Christ is the Satguru, Messiah, Dubh azeem, final sacrifice, and Savior.
Ahhh! My Saturday is made!
This series reminds me of old series I watched in doordarshan, Bharat eak khoj. I was too small to grasp the fact then but I used to watch it with my dad.
This is the way how history has to be told . A good attempt!
Great Video... Eye opener for crores and scores....
Amazing research, great storytelling.
This is how history should be unbiased and based on facts.
Sir please cover the part of foreign tribes settling in 1st millennium and their impact on Indian culture like kushans etc.
It is good that you like history.
Yes, Moghul rulers often were inclusive, at times even abolishing the jizya and other unfair practices on dhimmis (non-Muslims).
In strict Islam, however, only Jews and Christians were allowed to pay the jizya and survive, because they were monotheists. Idol-worshipping Hindus (mushrkeen) would have to convert or be killed. Note: If Brahmins claimed monotheism, as some now do, that could explain their better treatment under Islam.
Yes, Muslims are allowed to marry non-Muslim women (monotheists in strict Islam), to help spread the faith. We now see this happening in the West quite effectively. The reverse is not allowed.
One important component not covered here, which helps us understand Asian and world history is the teachings of the foundational documents of Islam. The Quran, hadiths, sunnah - strongly encourage world conquest through vi.ol.ent force. That is likely part of the original impetus of expansion into India, although later rulers became more tolerant.
In contrast, although Islam considers itself related to the prior monotheistic faiths of Judaism and Christianity, neither Moses, Jesus, nor any of their scriptures teach to use force to spread the faith. That is why regions influenced by these religions tend to be tolerant.
--> Why not read the Bible today? Jesus Christ is the Satguru, Messiah, Dubh azeem, final sacrifice, and Savior.
@@christianfrommuslim I am sorry say but the regions which have tolerance towards other cultures and are Christians is because of totally opposite reason it is because of renaissance periods and thinkers who believed state and religion to be seprate western people had to fight feudal system if you can recall and what were crusades if not forcing religion. Jesus was a saint no doubt but the one who carried it forward the church was monster to it's people it were the free thinkers who made west tolerant
@@dummystephenhawking7124 It was the Reformation which returned the West to the Bible. Before, they followed the ways of the Roman Empire, which was based upon force and paganism. Even the church was controlled by this way of thinking.
Protestant missionaries (and some post-Reformation Catholics) have brought not only soul salvation, but improved quality of life where they have gone - including India and Pakistan.
Why? Because the words of Jesus Christ and his disciples became well-known and followed.
The United States was formed on the heels of the Reformation. Teaching reading became extremely important, because each believer was expected to read the Bible and the newspaper.
The great educational institutions, like Harvard and Yale, began to teach pastors.
As a result, students come from all over the world to USA to learn, including from India.
This is not unbiased. I watched every episode. He chooses words very carefully to please Raza Academy for future funding.
I can see how use of words is so important in narrative building.
Good series but I personally say the majority of ppl in Indian subcontinent converted to Islam for agriculture and Sufi shrines played a role. Historian Richard Eaton said the majority of Bengali Muslims converted as they became farmers as they saw farmers=Muslims even then they retained their pre-Islamic ways of worshipping Shakto Goddesses, they all came from groups which had limited experience of the varna system. Punjabi Jats converted as the Mughals built shrine to win them over, they became "Muslim" as they followed the shrines. Both of them were on the periphery of the Mughal Empire.
Excellent points.
Mughals didn’t forcibly convert is not entirely true. If it was then why Guru Teg Bahadur ji was martyred by Aurangzeb? Was it not because kashmiri pandits were being persecuted at that time? Guru Gobind Singh ji’s four sons and mother were also martyred. I am no nationalist but you missed this part entirely. Mughals were no saint.
Yes, they were no saints but please pay attention to what he has actually said. He says forced conversions were very rare and did not extend to large numbers. That doesn’t mean it never happened in even a single case. Also, Sikh leaders were killed because they were seen as political enemies of the Mughal state. The elephant in the room is the fact of voluntary (non-coercive) conversions *for the vast majority of converts* under the Mughals.
can't wait for the varanasi episode.
You are truly genius sir, my one of the favourite historian ❤🙏 Thank you for enlightening us with true Indian history. I wish this never ends..🏵️
Very well scripted, thought-provoking presentation. I was hooked from the first episode.
Brilliant! My ancestor Dom Matheus de Castro was a contemporary of the Moghul emperors. He would surely endorse your observations.
Yes. Dom Matheus would have had interesting observations.
It is good that Moghul rulers often were inclusive, at times even abolishing the jizya and other unfair practices on dhimmis (non-Muslims).
In strict Islam, however, only Jews and Christians were allowed to pay the jizya and survive, because they were monotheists. Idol-worshipping Hindus (mushrkeen) would have to convert or be killed. Note: If Brahmins claimed monotheism, as some now do, that could explain their better treatment under Islam.
Yes, Muslims are allowed to marry non-Muslim women (monotheists in strict Islam), to help spread the faith. We now see this happening in the West quite effectively. The reverse is not allowed.
One important component not covered here, which helps us understand Asian and world history is the teachings of the foundational documents of Islam. The Quran, hadiths, sunnah - strongly encourage world conquest through vi.ol.ent force. That is likely part of the original impetus of expansion into India, although later rulers became more tolerant.
In contrast, although Islam considers itself related to the prior monotheistic faiths of Judaism and Christianity, neither Moses, Jesus, nor any of their scriptures teach to use force to spread the faith. That is why regions influenced by these religions tend to be tolerant.
--> Why not read the Bible today? Jesus Christ is the Satguru, Messiah, Dubh azeem, final sacrifice, and Savior.
Great episode and well Researched Prof Namit
Excellent work. Clearly shows you have put your heart into it Namit. Keep it up. Waiting for more. 👍👏👏
Your series is so enlightening and clearly presented, enjoying it in Ireland in advance of a trip to India this year
Wonderful.
10/10 for such a wonderful narration of history
True analysis
Excellent presentation.
Great presentation. Loved it. Keep it up.
Absolutely correct
Brilliantly illustrated. Were many of the paintings depicted here done by contemporary artists?
Fabulous narrative
Very nicely explained, myths busted logically and with examples. Thanks.
Bravo..unbiased,just,factual narrative
Please convert this in multiple languages, it's amazing
31:43 31:48 nice journalistic exercise, not of history by any chance, this author pulls all the strings and stunts from the playbook of smart operators
Wonderful narration
It is so interesting to relearn about our past in the right perspective rather than in a routine way which was the case in my school days. Then the emphasis was always on Baber to Aurangjeb and who built what. Mr. Namit Arora has been brilliant in outlining the growth of our culture from the ancient times in a manner that sounds so true.
It is good that Moghul rulers often were inclusive, at times even abolishing the jizya and other unfair practices on dhimmis (non-Muslims).
In strict Islam, however, only Jews and Christians were allowed to pay the jizya and survive, because they were monotheists. Idol-worshipping Hindus (mushrkeen) would have to convert or be killed. Note: If Brahmins claimed monotheism, as some now do, that could explain their better treatment under Islam.
Yes, Muslims are allowed to marry non-Muslim women (monotheists in strict Islam), to help spread the faith. We now see this happening in the West quite effectively. The reverse is not allowed.
One important component not covered here, which helps us understand Asian and world history is the teachings of the foundational documents of Islam. The Quran, hadiths, sunnah - strongly encourage world conquest through vi.ol.ent force. That is likely part of the original impetus of expansion into India, although later rulers became more tolerant.
In contrast, although Islam considers itself related to the prior monotheistic faiths of Judaism and Christianity, neither Moses, Jesus, nor any of their scriptures teach to use force to spread the faith. That is why regions influenced by these religions tend to be tolerant.
--> Why not read the Bible today? Jesus Christ is the Satguru, Messiah, Dubh azeem, final sacrifice, and Savior.
@@christianfrommuslim spanish inquiition , portuguese inquisition, Goan inquisition, Bombay inquisitions.
@@indrajithsunilkumar998 As I say in my comment above, Jesus did not teach to use force to enforce faith. Those who did it were clearly in violation of his teaching.
The inquisitions were carried out under Roman Catholicism, which was based upon the political policies of the Roman Empire - not Jesus teachings.
Just one word - AMAZING!!
What a great initiative by wire, quality un altered information .
That's refreshing show....all Indians wants to enlighten themselves from this type of knowledge..... language barriers have to go away.....hindi shows are must ....recommend that team wire
Excellent sir.
hmm, my Andhbhakt brethren still won't accept the reality.
Human beings are like that. This life and dth is a test. Muslims have been preaching about worshipping only One God, Allah, for 1400 years now, but people don't accept such a simple thing and keep following the falshoods that their ancestors taught them.
They turn into victim zombies nowadays
@@DwindlingLampislam is the biggest falsehood. It just a cult culture of arab.
Wonderful objective presentation.
Your presentation is so cool that everyone will like it, whether it's kids or not.
The maps presented in these series are pretty good. I hope they find place in the book too.
Yes, the illustrations are helplful.
It is good that Moghul rulers often were inclusive, at times even abolishing the jizya and other unfair practices on dhimmis (non-Muslims).
In strict Islam, however, only Jews and Christians were allowed to pay the jizya and survive, because they were monotheists. Idol-worshipping Hindus (mushrkeen) would have to convert or be killed. Note: If Brahmins claimed monotheism, as some now do, that could explain their better treatment under Islam.
Yes, Muslims are allowed to marry non-Muslim women (monotheists in strict Islam), to help spread the faith. We now see this happening in the West quite effectively. The reverse is not allowed.
One important component not covered here, which helps us understand Asian and world history is the teachings of the foundational documents of Islam. The Quran, hadiths, sunnah - strongly encourage world conquest through vi.ol.ent force. That is likely part of the original impetus of expansion into India, although later rulers became more tolerant.
In contrast, although Islam considers itself related to the prior monotheistic faiths of Judaism and Christianity, neither Moses, Jesus, nor any of their scriptures teach to use force to spread the faith. That is why regions influenced by these religions tend to be tolerant.
--> Why not read the Bible today? Jesus Christ is the Satguru, Messiah, Dubh azeem, final sacrifice, and Savior.
Truely deep thank to you, indeed a lot to digest! But a great starting point within your gernerous and not biased into any sides in which is sublime insights to begin with that is super safe not to be missunderstood...thank you.
Thanks for the Author and Team Wire to join hands and bring these wonderful episodes
thanks for this excellent series!
Do it in Hindi too, as real history should reach the Cow-Belt in their language
Excellent!
Illustration wonderful.
Brings tears to eyes.
very well reaserched....
Perhaps your name is Muslim? Then you probably know that in strict Islam only Jews and Christians were allowed to pay the jizya and survive, because they were monotheists. Idol-worshipping Hindus (mushrkeen) would have to convert or be killed. Note: If Brahmins claimed monotheism, as some now do, that could explain their better treatment under Islam.
Yes, Muslims are allowed to marry non-Muslim women (monotheists in strict Islam), to help spread the faith. We now see this happening in the West quite effectively. The reverse is not allowed.
One important component not covered here, which helps us understand Asian and world history is the teachings of the foundational documents of Islam. The Quran, hadiths, sunnah - strongly encourage world conquest through vi.ol.ent force. That is likely part of the original impetus of expansion into India, although later rulers became more tolerant.
In contrast, although Islam considers itself related to the prior monotheistic faiths of Judaism and Christianity, neither Moses, Jesus, nor any of their scriptures teach to use force to spread the faith. That is why regions influenced by these religions tend to be tolerant.
--> Why not read the Bible today? Jesus Christ is the Satguru, Messiah, Dubh azeem, final sacrifice, and Savior.
Dear Namit
What a pleasure to have seen your series Indians!!
Absolutely mesmerising and highly educational. I wish to put in a suggestion though.. please give a Hindi commentary also as most of the north indian people would be more comfortable in understanding and comprehending in Hindi and those are the ones who must view your series to clear their heads of so many misunderstandings that they are carrying.
Your work is amazing and i look forward to more such work.
Regards
Deepika
Very interesting.. Please continue it Sir
More objective history, thoroughly researched & verified. Intriguing. We need more of this scholarly excellence.
9:47 that is merely the tone of the writing, learnt from India today publications
Amazing series
There were forced conversion in Kerala during the rein of Tipu sultan.Malabar experienced it
Only if this kind of history was taught in school since independence we would have had a huge intellectual population.
you already brainwashed whole population since 47
I don’t know where do you live but indian books NCERT ones infact glorified mughals exactly as this video is attempting to. So yes, this “history” is taught in school
@@JustBigdata so you proved me right.
This series is fantastic. However, I would like it to cover history of Kashmir, north-western India too.
super insightful
21:36 land was always been rulers property even today...just wait for exploration of precious minerals and defence project at your home...
Thank you ....
It is true that Mughal Rule today is most disputed historical era. In the times of fake news and fake viral clips this part of history does require second episode. The explanation needs to more elaborate to enlighten the masses. Thank you.
Who is this new narrator ?
He is fantastic face for wire...
Great insightful episode
Hii sir please make detailed video on the Ahom empire
wonderfull nurretion !!!! 👌👌👌👌👌🥰🥰🥰👏👏👏👏👏💐💐
A balanced outlook.
All are very Lucky who have reached to this video and INDIANS series by Namit Arora
Thanks!
excellent work!
I appreciate the great lengths Mr. Arora has gone to find every nugget of info. that could be given a positive spin, while merely glossing over those that give Mughals a bad name. In complete contrast to his earlier episodes especially those with Hindu rulers. A very 'balanced' take indeed. 🙏
It is good that Moghul rulers often were inclusive, at times even abolishing the jizya and other unfair practices on dhimmis (non-Muslims).
In strict Islam, however, only Jews and Christians were allowed to pay the jizya and survive, because they were monotheists. Idol-worshipping Hindus (mushrkeen) would have to convert or be killed. Note: If Brahmins claimed monotheism, as some now do, that could explain their better treatment under Islam.
Yes, Muslims are allowed to marry non-Muslim women (monotheists in strict Islam), to help spread the faith. We now see this happening in the West quite effectively. The reverse is not allowed.
One important component not covered here, which helps us understand Asian and world history is the teachings of the foundational documents of Islam. The Quran, hadiths, sunnah - strongly encourage world conquest through vi.ol.ent force. That is likely part of the original impetus of expansion into India, although later rulers became more tolerant.
In contrast, although Islam considers itself related to the prior monotheistic faiths of Judaism and Christianity, neither Moses, Jesus, nor any of their scriptures teach to use force to spread the faith. That is why regions influenced by these religions tend to be tolerant.
--> Why not read the Bible today? Jesus Christ is the Satguru, Messiah, Dubh azeem, final sacrifice, and Savior.
@geoSwaraj Far from "glossing over" what gives Mughals a bad name today-alleged forced conversions, temple desecrations-I think Mr. Arora has tackled them quite directly and clearly. I suspect that you disagree with what he has to say about it, but that's very different from "glossing over" it.
@@DesiBhoy Can anyone disagree with facts? No. My quibble is with him picking and choosing very particular facts and highlighting those while deliberately ignoring others, so as to paint a particular picture that he desires; Instead of just laying down facts and letting us choose our narrative - like a proper historian!
Ikr. And this kind of misrepresentation of history is precisely what leads to Hindu nationalism that people like Mr. Arora later decry.
Just fantastic !
Thanks
GENEVA (16 January 2023) - UN experts* today expressed alarm at the reported rise in abductions, forced marriages and conversions of underage girls and young women from religious minorities in Pakistan and called for immediate efforts to curtail the practices and ensure justice for victims.
“We urge the Government to take immediate steps to prevent and thoroughly investigate these acts objectively and in line with domestic legislation and international human rights commitments. Perpetrators must be held fully accountable,” the experts said.
“We are deeply troubled to hear that girls as young as 13 are being kidnapped from their families, trafficked to locations far from their homes, made to marry men sometimes twice their age, and coerced to convert to Islam, all in violation of international human rights law,” the experts said. “We are very concerned that such marriages and conversions take place under threat of violence to these girls and women or their families.”
Noting Pakistan’s previous attempts to pass legislation that will prohibit forced conversions and protect religious minorities, the experts deplored the ongoing lack of access to justice for victims and their families. Reports suggest these so-called marriages and conversions take place with the involvement of religious authorities and the complicity of security forces and the justice system.
These reports also indicate that the court system enables these offenses by accepting, without critical examination, fraudulent evidence from perpetrators regarding victims’ adulthood, voluntary marriage, and conversion. Courts have on occasion misused interpretations of religious law to justify victims remaining with their abusers.
Ye WhatsApp university ki report nahi hai
United nations experts ki report hai Islamic republic Pakistan mein aaj bi hone wale underage non muslim girls ke force conversion force marraige ki ye kaise mitti kroge jo duniya likh rahi hai
Yahi difference hai India ke hindu nationalist aur Islamist nationalist mein
Ek low caste card khel rha hai force conversion ko thik batane ke liye ek ke liye LOC paar sub kafir hai wo na koi caste dekh rha hai na koi religion
Sati card dono ke pass hai juhar aur sex slaves dono missing kar gye jaise aaj bi hone wali force conversion force marraige prectice missing krte hai
Hindukush mountain naam aaj bi apne naam se history dikha rha hai par parda dalne wale hindukush par bi parda dal rahe hai jaise partition ke time punjab aur bengal mein hindu ke khoon par parda dal diya aur two nations theory ko secular theory bana diya
Punjab aur bengal mein Hindu minority ka genocide krwa ke kuch dawarpalo ne
Gandhi Nehru ki Congress rahi secular hindu ki baat krne wale ko hindutva nationalist bana diya
Very nice
Just one clarification: You say that Shah Jahan was responsible for the Shalimar Gardens. My memory of studying Mughals is that it was Jahangir who loved creating gardens who was reponsible for this. It is a small irking grain of sand in an otherwise well thought out and researched series.
Shalimar Gardens in Lahore (whose picture you see in the video) was built by Shah Jahan, while the Shalimar Garden in Srinagar was built by Jahangir.
You have completely IGNORED the Sikhi, The Gurus and The Great Massacres - Ghallughara. You thus give a poor account ..a VERY poor account
Specific battles / massacres can't really be covered in a brief overview. The narrator is focused more on refuting the allegation that the Mughals forcibly converted large numbers to Islam. So he likely believes that the main motivation behind Mughal aggression against the Sikhs was NOT to force them to convert to Islam, but to crush rebellions, resistance, and political enemies of the state. Do you disagree with his implication in the case of Sikhs?
@@DesiBhoyA History Of Civilisation without mentioning the Gurus or Sikhi IS CLEARLY INTENTIONAL CENSORSHIP.
Please release in telugu dubbing, so, so many will understand.. Excellent presentation.. ❤
He is the greatest "Authentic Indian History" "EMPEROR" of modern India. I am watching from USA. I cannot wait until I get his book. Thank you so much sir.
4:01 easy prey, gullible
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“ Hindus is not black & white” as narrated by Marxian wokes and left academicians like Romila Thapar and her shishya.
Gobbarbhkat rattled 😂😂😂
We can call this series as a history of “ Bramino phobia” identical to “ Anti Sementic” ideology of Europe. Aurangazeeb is portrayed as “ egalatrian” and a gentleman of religious tolerance. Think of Kashi, Mathura and innumerable Hindu temples vandalised. Oh. It was the work of Brahmins, I guess. Incidentally why no mention of “ Sikandar, the butcher” of Kashmir
and temples like Martanda and Avanti.
Episode 10? Any one could help me to...get in...?
Kindly refrain from showing Pakistan Occupied Kashmir as Pakistan. That area (like Aksai Chin) is still disputed.
Moghuls - please correct . Babar was a Timurid clan not Moghul. The distortion starts ab initio.
Clearly a biased narrative that ignores social truths that evolved in this subcontinent over a millennium. It follows the narratives of colonial historians who had very limited understanding of Hindu culture and ways of life. This is the history we have been taught for decades and still being prompted by left-leaning historians! One must read Jadunath Sarkar and Ramesh Majumdar to understand the historical perspective of India.
What "social truths" are you referring to? You also say that he follows "the narratives of colonial historians". This seems backwards. On their views (and shared hatred) of the Indo-Muslim period, Hindu nationalist historians are the ones much closer to colonial historians-versus other historians of India.
And we accuse others of racism?
And we accuse others of apartheid? Revisit 32:52
Hindu nationalist targets the muslim rulers and here the author has targeted the Brahmans repeatedly in 2000 years history. Both sides are two sides of same coin
Wahh! Maja aa gaya
I wonder why kings in north India failed to stop various invasions. Is it because they were not united? Or were there a unknown culture of defeatism?? There should be some research and commentary on this
Good point. Perhaps it was lack of unity. Or lack of the religious zeal of their opposition.
One important component not covered here, which helps us understand Asian and world history is the teachings of the foundational documents of Islam. The Quran, hadiths, sunnah - strongly encourage world conquest through vi.ol.ent force. That is likely part of the original impetus of expansion into India, although later rulers became more tolerant.
In contrast, although Islam considers itself related to the prior monotheistic faiths of Judaism and Christianity, neither Moses, Jesus, nor any of their scriptures teach to use force to spread the faith. That is why regions influenced by these religions tend to be tolerant.
--> Why not read the Bible today? Jesus Christ is the Satguru, Messiah, Dubh azeem, final sacrifice, and Savior.
Like the resurgence of Ganesh chaturthi by Tilak. The ramayan street plays could have been a move of self preservation
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