I heard that the tesla chargers would charge extra for non tesla use, but I didn't think it would be $250 😂 sorry that happened to you but this is good info, I was considering taking my i3 to the magic charger but now I'll definitely be passing on it. Thank you, for biting the bullet on this one.
Well that certainly sucks and not exacting to hear right off the bat with these Tesla stations opening up. I like to do a lot of my own work on my vehicles cause working on servers all day isn’t enough I guess lol, but thanks for the wiring diagram. Took a screen shot and adding it the ongoing note book of information for the i3.
I have had the exact same issue. I also got a Drivetrain error after charging on a Tesla super Charger in the Copenhagen area, Denmark. This was just 2 days before a long trip, so I did not have the option of taking it to the repair shop. I ended up buying a diagnostic tool for BMW at Biltema, which is a Swedish car, tools and leisure store for approx. 100 USD/EUR. (article no 15-1374). This tool solved the Drivetrain error problem by resetting all errors. I subsequently tried charging at Tesla in Germany, two locations in Denmark as well as two locations in Sweden. Every time I have used a tesla charger it’s given me the Drivetrain problem, and I have had to reset the errors. I did find one video online suggesting this could be a problem with a high voltage cable - the original cable in revision 1. They claimed you may have to upgrade the actual cable to revision 2 or higher. This is to be done at a repair shop. Thanks for a great channel with lots of tips and tricks.
Thanks for the feedback. I had tried to end the charging session using the tesla app (insted of pushing the disconnect button on the handle, and I was wondering if this caused the problem because of the i3 not thinking the charging session had ended (as compared to a power disruption). I haven't tried it again to test this hypothesis. But, based on your experience, it may be something more involved!
In Europe we do not have the disconnect button. I have on at least 3 occasions experienced the tesla app could not stop the charging session. Only solution is to close down the app completely and restart it. Then stopping the sessions works right away. Another interesting thing is that I have once experienced getting the drive train error after charging at Tesla in Sweden, then driving approx 100 km/60 mi with the error displayed, and then charging again at another Tesla destination. After the second charge the drive train error was gone !. NOT sure why or if this was just a random thing, but I will try this experiment again next time I get the chance and keep you informed @@bmwi3diy782
Thanks for posting. This is how we will determine if it is a specific car problem, specific charger problem, procedural issue on my part or something more chronic. Did you end the session early using the app or did you use your car to abort the charging session before 100% charging?
I believe you must stop charging within the car menus and only when it has stopped push the mechanical release button on the adapter. That is to prevent pulling an arc as you disconnect from an active connection. Tesla's do this automatically with a lock within the car's charge port The magic dock release button may not be able to stop charging on some car's. The Tesla Superchargers are "dumb", the car controls the charging. Try it again making sure charging is stopped. You probably drew an arc which caused the fault.
Interesting question- At least on the earlier models like mine, there is no "stop charging" menu selection available in the software screens or BMW app (since sunset of 3G). Therefore, there is no way to abort the charging other than the release handle button on the adapter (which is not possible if it is locked, so random people don't end your session), or by stopping the charging session using the Tesla app ( or other charging app like Chargepoint if using their units ). I read in the manual that if there is a power disruption on the charger side, the car will not disengage, thinking it will continue charging once power is restored. If true, and ending the charging session by the app doesn't send a completion signal to the car, it nay just sit there waiting to continue the charging session. I can confirm that the charging session was ended by the Tesla app before I had to push in the locking pin to release the car (no power applied), yet I still got the fault status in the software. It could be that the internal DC charge port contactors were still engaged to the charging port I suppose, if the car didn't recognize the session had ended- but no real arcing should have occurred in either case... Let me know your thoughts on this, since I am still trying to nail down the error source. Thanks for the feedback.
Yikes, sorry to see all the trouble you are having. Have you tried to stop charging under menu before trying to unplug? I think it had to do with you forced release and computer not liking it. 6kw is a joke, somthing is def. Wrong with that charger. My i3 always charged flat at ccs charger from low to 90% at 48kw then tappers down to around 20kw @95%.
i noticed you had the charge power level set to "low" and that you had a pretty slow charging rate (mid-level 2, i think). i've used EVgo DC fast chargers at close to 50kwh charge rate. Are you brave enough to try the higer rate? No MagicDocks here in SoCal yet.
@@bmwi3diy782 Thank you for sharing this. i looked threw all your posted public videos and i did not see one that was titled charge port cover nor saw a thumbnail showing it. could you share the link to this video that you are referring to that shows you using and installing the cover and share the files you printed it from.
Thanks for checking them out. I hadn’t plan to use the super charger network, because I noticed Tesla drivers clog the non Tesla fast chargers where I live, so I assume they weren’t worth my time. Sorry it was an expensive lesson. I definitely will not use one. My first instincts were correct.
No problem 👍 Funny, but I have the same issue with my local (2 hr free charging) Chargepoint 7kw L2 units being full of Teslas all the time ( & replugging in after 2 hrs ) while the Superchargers right next to them are empty! I guess everyone wants to save money and break etiquette! I'm pretty sure free courtesy charging will be ending soon. Thanks for watching.
What a drag! I wonder if trying to charge at another DC fast charger would have sorted that out? It's like the CCS / LIM didn't receive the charge-session end instruction from Tesla. You should not have been charged from BMW, IMO!
Yeah, I used teh app to end teh sesion, versus using the button on the Tesla charing cable- maybe that would have worked(?) BTW, Tesla advisors also said It's not their problem if a non Tesla car has charging issues on their superchargers. So, I'm not n a hurry to try out additional chargers! Thanks for the feedback.
I think this was caused by you pushing in the locking clip on the charger. That is an anti theft mechanism it locks the charger in place when you lock your car and allows you to unplug when you unlock the car. The computer probably flipped out when the charger was unplugged but the mechanism was supposed to be engaged since the car was locked and charging. Good info thanks for the video 👍
Possible, I have not gone back to try out some ideas suggested, since I don't want to end up having to donate more $$ to BMW (can't reset it using bimmerlink) & I no longer have access to an ISTA account.
To sink all the heat generated by the large DC currents being provided. The Tesla connector seems to be overheating when charging at 150Kw + rates. The more metal involved in a connection, the lower the resistance.
Agreed- I rarely DC charge my car, so I can't completely rule out an issue on my side. However, BMW didn't find an issue with the car (so far). I hope some successful users of the magic dock can post their experiences as well. Thanks for watching!
@@bmwi3diy782 Your video put my mind at ease, thanks. The message went away next time I charged at a non Tesla charger so all good 👍. Just thought I would try the Tesla Charger as they had a very cheap off-peak rate compared to other chargers I used, but cheaper is very rarely better lol.
Interesting question- The car was locked while I visited the nearby store for a few minutes. But, I returned, unlocked the car and sat in the car for the remaining time before ending session at ~90% charged using the Tesla app. Curiously, a similar issue happened once while charging on a level 2 charger, where I had locked car then returned but the locking pin did not disengage when I ended the session early (which is the reason I made the little push pin to release the lock). That was on a Chargepoint app/charger. Thanks for the feedback.
That's good to hear that the error cleared. I waited a couple of days, maybe if I waited a bit longer it would have saved me the $250 at the dealer! Thanks for the feedback.
Have to be careful pushing the pin in like that… it can damage the mechanism and will be costly to replace. In the meantime you won’t be able to DC fast charge the vehicle.
I contacted Tesla directly (not an easy feat it turns out), and their response was quote "Thank you for reaching out to us about this. We would be happy to look into this for you. At this time we are not providing compensation for third party vehicle repairs" and "As each vehicle manufacturer has their own specifications and with this program still being in launch phase, we suggest reaching out to your vehicle manufacturer to determine if your vehicle is capable of supercharging without the risk of any additional damage". So, I would stay away from Superchargers at this point since any problem will be considered your problem, not Tesla's (a bit disappointing of a response). Thanks for the comment, and for watching!
Tesla chargers work for Teslas. The BMW software in the interface seems to be the problem. Tesla didn’t build BMWs Superchargers. That’s right BMW doesn’t have any super chargers. Let them build their own.
Dont think tesla opened up some miserly chargers out of goodness. Tesla gets paid by Dem. Billions of dollars just to open couple of stalls at rural area, laughable, ha, ha, free money, I would do the same. Yet, e-clown kept biting the hands that feeds him. You tesla boy just keep in mind that when usa is full of chinese cars in 10 yrs. Thank that e-clown went over sea and taught them how to built it, you just keep in mind that your money that you spend on tesla cars are helping china fight USA in WW3 and help every bullet that is going to kill our soldiers.
The problem is that Elon is getting a lot of our taxpayer money for folks other than Tesla owners to use his over rated chargers. So they now need to work for everyone.
Actually the issue us Tesla, there's an agreed handshaking protocol that Tesla didn't follow because of shortcutting on their own vehicles. Now they're opening to non Teslas they'll have to recode their software to follow standards
I have owned the car for many years and also just reread the owners manual, so I don't think it is operator error! I did come across this post on a Tesla Owners Online forum, suggesting there may be a possible sequence issue: ------------------------ "Hi all. At the risk of asking a dumb question... I'm on a road trip and have struggled every time I try to unplug from a supercharger. The last one even resulted in the red light and on-screen error messages. I had to use the emergency release! So what are the steps? I am guessing that I'm overthinking this. What I've done is pressed "Stop Charging" from the screen, then exit the car, note the blue light, press the button on the charger, and try to pull it out. Almost every time, it's still locked and tries to restart charging. Should I do nothing from inside the car, and instead just push the button while the light is still green? What am I messing up?" -------------------------- This sounds similar to my issue. Do you use the button on the handle or the app to terminate your charging session? Thanks for watching the video!
Just rude. Maybe you should consider that Tesla hasn't figured out how to let other cars use their superchargers yet, even though the US government has given them millions to do so.
Tesla chargers were made for Teslas. Tesla didn’t know that everybody else that made a super charger created a piece of crap. You might’ve looked into this before you purchased the BMW.
THey were successful in Europe become coming to the US. I've only head about this issue with the i3, what about other EVs. Not everybody is that rich to buy a Tesla, and even if they would, they want to drive a car not a 4 motor sofa
Tesla is def. Pioneer, I thank you for supporting them, live with subpar quality that is a throw away car. Go troll else where, you dont see us trolling nissan leaf and feeling all god and mighty, lol.
@@MrAlan1828 buy tesla is rich? Lol, i can buy tesla plaid if I want, but choose a 10 yrs old design and old tech because I know what I need and no more and its a far too superior car then meets the eye, beauty is more then skin deep.
More that: as they do both sides of the system it's easy to for developers to code and test for the Tesla car+charger combination ; harder for others and Tesla's view probably one of "let them fix it". What is bad is BMW charging owners for the failure which looks like some software problem between the systems. Cars and chargers talk to each other over a homeAV network over the AC power lines and maybe this communication failed. Not the owners fault
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I heard that the tesla chargers would charge extra for non tesla use, but I didn't think it would be $250 😂 sorry that happened to you but this is good info, I was considering taking my i3 to the magic charger but now I'll definitely be passing on it. Thank you, for biting the bullet on this one.
I love your channel! Keep up the great work. Especially the camping videos! So cool.
Well that certainly sucks and not exacting to hear right off the bat with these Tesla stations opening up.
I like to do a lot of my own work on my vehicles cause working on servers all day isn’t enough I guess lol, but thanks for the wiring diagram. Took a screen shot and adding it the ongoing note book of information for the i3.
I have had the exact same issue. I also got a Drivetrain error after charging on a Tesla super Charger in the Copenhagen area, Denmark. This was just 2 days before a long trip, so I did not have the option of taking it to the repair shop. I ended up buying a diagnostic tool for BMW at Biltema, which is a Swedish car, tools and leisure store for approx. 100 USD/EUR. (article no 15-1374).
This tool solved the Drivetrain error problem by resetting all errors.
I subsequently tried charging at Tesla in Germany, two locations in Denmark as well as two locations in Sweden. Every time I have used a tesla charger it’s given me the Drivetrain problem, and I have had to reset the errors.
I did find one video online suggesting this could be a problem with a high voltage cable - the original cable in revision 1. They claimed you may have to upgrade the actual cable to revision 2 or higher. This is to be done at a repair shop.
Thanks for a great channel with lots of tips and tricks.
Thanks for the feedback. I had tried to end the charging session using the tesla app (insted of pushing the disconnect button on the handle, and I was wondering if this caused the problem because of the i3 not thinking the charging session had ended (as compared to a power disruption). I haven't tried it again to test this hypothesis. But, based on your experience, it may be something more involved!
In Europe we do not have the disconnect button. I have on at least 3 occasions experienced the tesla app could not stop the charging session. Only solution is to close down the app completely and restart it. Then stopping the sessions works right away.
Another interesting thing is that I have once experienced getting the drive train error after charging at Tesla in Sweden, then driving approx 100 km/60 mi with the error displayed, and then charging again at another Tesla destination. After the second charge the drive train error was gone !. NOT sure why or if this was just a random thing, but I will try this experiment again next time I get the chance and keep you informed
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Have used the Tesla chargers on my i3S here in Sweden on three occasions with no problem.
Thanks for posting. This is how we will determine if it is a specific car problem, specific charger problem, procedural issue on my part or something more chronic. Did you end the session early using the app or did you use your car to abort the charging session before 100% charging?
@@bmwi3diy782 Ended the charge around 80-85% in the app every time.
In Sweden the chargers are native CCS though right?
@@Charlie-gs8or Yes they are.
I believe you must stop charging within the car menus and only when it has stopped push the mechanical release button on the adapter. That is to prevent pulling an arc as you disconnect from an active connection. Tesla's do this automatically with a lock within the car's charge port
The magic dock release button may not be able to stop charging on some car's. The Tesla Superchargers are "dumb", the car controls the charging. Try it again making sure charging is stopped. You probably drew an arc which caused the fault.
Interesting question- At least on the earlier models like mine, there is no "stop charging" menu selection available in the software screens or BMW app (since sunset of 3G). Therefore, there is no way to abort the charging other than the release handle button on the adapter (which is not possible if it is locked, so random people don't end your session), or by stopping the charging session using the Tesla app ( or other charging app like Chargepoint if using their units ). I read in the manual that if there is a power disruption on the charger side, the car will not disengage, thinking it will continue charging once power is restored. If true, and ending the charging session by the app doesn't send a completion signal to the car, it nay just sit there waiting to continue the charging session. I can confirm that the charging session was ended by the Tesla app before I had to push in the locking pin to release the car (no power applied), yet I still got the fault status in the software. It could be that the internal DC charge port contactors were still engaged to the charging port I suppose, if the car didn't recognize the session had ended- but no real arcing should have occurred in either case... Let me know your thoughts on this, since I am still trying to nail down the error source. Thanks for the feedback.
Yikes, sorry to see all the trouble you are having. Have you tried to stop charging under menu before trying to unplug? I think it had to do with you forced release and computer not liking it. 6kw is a joke, somthing is def. Wrong with that charger. My i3 always charged flat at ccs charger from low to 90% at 48kw then tappers down to around 20kw @95%.
From the tesla app, I ended the session at around 90% charged. I did not end the session from the car's menu first. Thanks for the feedback!
Where does the stop charging option appear in the car? I have not seen that option on my 2017
@@Charlie-gs8or under settings charge current, then scroll to unlock charging cable.
i noticed you had the charge power level set to "low" and that you had a pretty slow charging rate (mid-level 2, i think). i've used EVgo DC fast chargers at close to 50kwh charge rate. Are you brave enough to try the higer rate? No MagicDocks here in SoCal yet.
Can you share where you got / printed that nice port cover stuck on the charging flap? Thanks
Sure, there is a video on the channel where I 3D printed the charge port cover, including links to the files. Thanks for asking!
@@bmwi3diy782 Thank you for sharing this. i looked threw all your posted public videos and i did not see one that was titled charge port cover nor saw a thumbnail showing it. could you share the link to this video that you are referring to that shows you using and installing the cover and share the files you printed it from.
Thanks for checking them out. I hadn’t plan to use the super charger network, because I noticed Tesla drivers clog the non Tesla fast chargers where I live, so I assume they weren’t worth my time. Sorry it was an expensive lesson. I definitely will not use one. My first instincts were correct.
No problem 👍 Funny, but I have the same issue with my local (2 hr free charging) Chargepoint 7kw L2 units being full of Teslas all the time ( & replugging in after 2 hrs ) while the Superchargers right next to them are empty! I guess everyone wants to save money and break etiquette! I'm pretty sure free courtesy charging will be ending soon. Thanks for watching.
What a drag! I wonder if trying to charge at another DC fast charger would have sorted that out? It's like the CCS / LIM didn't receive the charge-session end instruction from Tesla.
You should not have been charged from BMW, IMO!
Yeah, I used teh app to end teh sesion, versus using the button on the Tesla charing cable- maybe that would have worked(?) BTW, Tesla advisors also said It's not their problem if a non Tesla car has charging issues on their superchargers. So, I'm not n a hurry to try out additional chargers! Thanks for the feedback.
I think this was caused by you pushing in the locking clip on the charger. That is an anti theft mechanism it locks the charger in place when you lock your car and allows you to unplug when you unlock the car. The computer probably flipped out when the charger was unplugged but the mechanism was supposed to be engaged since the car was locked and charging. Good info thanks for the video 👍
Possible, I have not gone back to try out some ideas suggested, since I don't want to end up having to donate more $$ to BMW (can't reset it using bimmerlink) & I no longer have access to an ISTA account.
Why is the CCS plug SO BIG?
It was designed by a committee.
To sink all the heat generated by the large DC currents being provided. The Tesla connector seems to be overheating when charging at 150Kw + rates. The more metal involved in a connection, the lower the resistance.
I think we need more guinea pigs before we can make a conclusion.
Agreed- I rarely DC charge my car, so I can't completely rule out an issue on my side. However, BMW didn't find an issue with the car (so far). I hope some successful users of the magic dock can post their experiences as well. Thanks for watching!
I just came from a supercharger and got that same drivetrain fault. I am really worried now😢never charging there again.
Same here- I have some ideas to test, but it isn't worth the cost of visiting the dealer again... THanks for the feedback!
@@bmwi3diy782 Your video put my mind at ease, thanks. The message went away next time I charged at a non Tesla charger so all good 👍. Just thought I would try the Tesla Charger as they had a very cheap off-peak rate compared to other chargers I used, but cheaper is very rarely better lol.
Maybe your i3 has a 50amp limit for dc charging and probably the supercharger send more current than that causing the alarm on your i3.
Did you remember to unlock the i3 before trying to disconnect the charge cable?
Interesting question- The car was locked while I visited the nearby store for a few minutes. But, I returned, unlocked the car and sat in the car for the remaining time before ending session at ~90% charged using the Tesla app. Curiously, a similar issue happened once while charging on a level 2 charger, where I had locked car then returned but the locking pin did not disengage when I ended the session early (which is the reason I made the little push pin to release the lock). That was on a Chargepoint app/charger. Thanks for the feedback.
I received the saem error on my i3 after using the Tesla Charger in Batavia NY. The error eventually cleared on it's own after a few days.
That's good to hear that the error cleared. I waited a couple of days, maybe if I waited a bit longer it would have saved me the $250 at the dealer! Thanks for the feedback.
Have to be careful pushing the pin in like that… it can damage the mechanism and will be costly to replace. In the meantime you won’t be able to DC fast charge the vehicle.
You are correct, I could have used the emergency release cable instead. Thanks for the feedback!
This exact issue happened to my i3 rex yesterday at the site at the flint mountain hotel in north Wales.
I contacted Tesla directly (not an easy feat it turns out), and their response was quote "Thank you for reaching out to us about this. We would be happy to look into this for you. At this time we are not providing compensation for third party vehicle repairs" and "As each vehicle manufacturer has their own specifications and with this program still being in launch phase, we suggest reaching out to your vehicle manufacturer to determine if your vehicle is capable of supercharging without the risk of any additional damage". So, I would stay away from Superchargers at this point since any problem will be considered your problem, not Tesla's (a bit disappointing of a response). Thanks for the comment, and for watching!
You definitely want to shut off the fast DC charging somehow before disconnect. Having to replace the EME on a BMW i3 is an expensive proposition.
Yikes!
Thanks for the heads up.
I’m not quite so disappointed now that the Tesla magic docks don’t offer a J-1772 connector (my i3 does not have CCS).
Tesla chargers work for Teslas. The BMW software in the interface seems to be the problem. Tesla didn’t build BMWs Superchargers. That’s right BMW doesn’t have any super chargers. Let them build their own.
Dont think tesla opened up some miserly chargers out of goodness. Tesla gets paid by Dem. Billions of dollars just to open couple of stalls at rural area, laughable, ha, ha, free money, I would do the same. Yet, e-clown kept biting the hands that feeds him. You tesla boy just keep in mind that when usa is full of chinese cars in 10 yrs. Thank that e-clown went over sea and taught them how to built it, you just keep in mind that your money that you spend on tesla cars are helping china fight USA in WW3 and help every bullet that is going to kill our soldiers.
The problem is that Elon is getting a lot of our taxpayer money for folks other than Tesla owners to use his over rated chargers. So they now need to work for everyone.
Actually the issue us Tesla, there's an agreed handshaking protocol that Tesla didn't follow because of shortcutting on their own vehicles. Now they're opening to non Teslas they'll have to recode their software to follow standards
You had to release the locking mechanism? Maybe you don’t know how to charge your own car
I have owned the car for many years and also just reread the owners manual, so I don't think it is operator error! I did come across this post on a Tesla Owners Online forum, suggesting there may be a possible sequence issue:
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"Hi all. At the risk of asking a dumb question... I'm on a road trip and have struggled every time I try to unplug from a supercharger. The last one even resulted in the red light and on-screen error messages. I had to use the emergency release!
So what are the steps? I am guessing that I'm overthinking this. What I've done is pressed "Stop Charging" from the screen, then exit the car, note the blue light, press the button on the charger, and try to pull it out. Almost every time, it's still locked and tries to restart charging.
Should I do nothing from inside the car, and instead just push the button while the light is still green? What am I messing up?"
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This sounds similar to my issue. Do you use the button on the handle or the app to terminate your charging session? Thanks for watching the video!
Just rude. Maybe you should consider that Tesla hasn't figured out how to let other cars use their superchargers yet, even though the US government has given them millions to do so.
Tesla chargers were made for Teslas. Tesla didn’t know that everybody else that made a super charger created a piece of crap. You might’ve looked into this before you purchased the BMW.
THey were successful in Europe become coming to the US. I've only head about this issue with the i3, what about other EVs. Not everybody is that rich to buy a Tesla, and even if they would, they want to drive a car not a 4 motor sofa
Tesla is def. Pioneer, I thank you for supporting them, live with subpar quality that is a throw away car. Go troll else where, you dont see us trolling nissan leaf and feeling all god and mighty, lol.
@@MrAlan1828 buy tesla is rich? Lol, i can buy tesla plaid if I want, but choose a 10 yrs old design and old tech because I know what I need and no more and its a far too superior car then meets the eye, beauty is more then skin deep.
MG5s have a problem with Tesla chargers and actually crash- but apparently if you wait 10-15 minutes it will reboot.
More that: as they do both sides of the system it's easy to for developers to code and test for the Tesla car+charger combination ; harder for others and Tesla's view probably one of "let them fix it". What is bad is BMW charging owners for the failure which looks like some software problem between the systems. Cars and chargers talk to each other over a homeAV network over the AC power lines and maybe this communication failed. Not the owners fault