I worked at Navy Afloat Training Group (ATG) Pacific my last few years in the Navy. I personally inspected these new Aluminum warships. They are junk from the shipyards. They have so many structural issues its ridiculous, many due to their aluminum construction. They are a massive waste of money. Many parts of the skin of the ship can be penetrated by a round as small as .50 cal.
13:20 SpaceX isnt using stainless steel because it surpasses carbon fiber in mechanical properties. Theyre using stainless steel because its cheaper and easier to produce.
@@asharak84 yepp, in reentry stainless steel (of course a special production) can absorb heat far better then carbon fiber and is far cheaper and easier to maintain then ceramics etc.
Carbon fiber is a composite material, it's carbon and normally epoxy. Stainless steel will handle the heat of reentry with their new cooling system, where as carbon fiber will just melt into goo and burn. It has nothing to do with cost, although doubtless it's a bonus for business profits.
We are at a point technologically where everything that is mobile is a glass cannon, as the offense far exceeds the defense possible. This is true in ships, planes, tanks etc.
The Admirals won't tell you but the Chinese could sink our entire Navy with huge flurries of cheap hypersonic, broken-trajectory missiles that can overwhelm All defenses, including Phalanx.
I don't know what kind of steel my old man's ship was made out of, but I'm sure somewhere there's a record of where the ship was built. It was the USS Manley I think DD-940. I know it was an old WW2 ship that went through a full retrofit before Vietnam started. Believe it has long since been decommissioned.
@@WALTERBROADDUS The Sands is adjacent to it, but the stacks and buildings are still intact. My ex-girlfriend is in Bethlehem, the apartment I got her overlooks the stacks: it's an unteresting place, the Moravian Church and museum, and there's a little known Tomb of the Unknown soldiers of the Revolutionary war there because the town served as a hospital.
Haha nah. The reason why cans are made out of aluminum is because it saves up on transport cost. But to manufacture aluminum is extremely bad for the environment. There is a combination of poisonous chemical waste and extreme energy requirements that makes aluminum can really bad.
Very interesting and very well done. I am from South Louisiana where literally hundreds of aluminum vessels of all sizes have been built to support the offshore oil industry. Most evident are the passenger carrying "crew boats" used to transport workers to and from offshore rigs. Aluminum is light, light is fast, and fast means reduced trip times in a business where time is money. I have never heard of aluminum boats experiencing more or more severe problems than their steel counterparts. If I ever win the lottery and become capable of building a retirement yacht, it will be built of aluminum...sort of putting my money where my mouth is so to speak.
You will spend all your retirement money on sacrificing anode and welding patches for missing structures. You may drop into the water while sitting on your toilet. Corporations are spending investors money. Navy, Army, USMC, and Air Force are spending tax payers money. Who is caring the cost. Mr Rouge
@@larrylam2648 The US oil industry is not fond of wasting money. Having a vessel in dry dock can cost the owner(s) a fortune. If aluminum was that much of a problem, they would have quit using it before you were born.
@@LA_Viking Being a Mechanical engineer nearly forty years, I have witnessed many dumb ideas regarding the weight saving. For example Dodge were using plastic for door latches, B-1B GE engine dis-integrated during flight because some engineers decide to reduce the fan blades retaining to .020 in thick. X33 spacecraft fuel tank without metal lining, and hydrogen seeped through composite like there was no tank wall. F35B aircraft could not land on any ground unless there is steel floor to dissipate the heat. Some of my trainees showed new components from the dark project. Without spending time, I recommended them making the vendors redesigned to add some more weight. I took a corrosion engineering course 400+ at UW, and my professor had worked for Boeing high speed boat with hydrofoil. He mentioned that putting aluminum into sea water like putting iron into the acid. In this world there are many inexperienced engineers always wanted prove the other conservative group that they are more advance and smarter. I am in the conservative group. My design will last to the end life cycle of the products. I fixed many thousand poor engineering designs. I love to put heart pacemaker with aluminum housing into your chest if you need one, so you can be smarter.
Yeah man. We have aluminum boats in the Gulf of Mexico. Paint it all. Use isolation sleeves on through hull bolts. 316 L bolts. Avoid dissimilar metals touching and don’t worry about galvanic crud.
Crew boats are small enough that you can make them very rigid, thus cracking isn't an issue. You can't do that with a 750 foot vessel... it will flex in heavy seas.
Yes amd its called ( project habbakukk ) the biggest aircraft carrier out of ice (which is pycrete) they cancelled the project because its expensive to make one or there stupid because the ice is weak and it can melt through hot temperature but anyways the project habbakukk is bigger than any aircraft carrier
Well it was not going to be made out of pure Ice.. But a mixed Ice sawdust composite.. The sawdust added strength to the Ice and also has some insulating properties that slowed the melting of the ice.. The ACC was supposed to have a refrigeration unit on board with pipes running through the ice to keep the Ice cold.. In the end with the USA building so many conventional ships and the effective countermeasures they had against subs the need for the ICE carrier was no longer deemed necessary..
Well I mean wtf, pycrete cannot cracked or destroyed from torpedoes but it will from stronger projectiles like bullets, mines or high power torpedoes but also maybe incendiary ammunitons cuz it could melt pycrete
@@MinehowTech Actually, yes...the more people who die in your thin ship hulls, the more people you hire to make more ships, and more people recruited to be in your new ships...that will die. Repeat cycle.
Using the shuttle as a example how good aluminum works in extreme heat is really poor choice... the tiles that protected it were extremely fragile,expensive and required a lot maintenance.Don't think a navy vessel would be suitable
I know you try to to be smart, but let me tell you it simply does not work....The space shuttle example is fine, you just don't get what he was saying thats the problem ;)
@@IIISentorIII no, the example was shit, just like hin saying that Elon doesn't approve of the Russians building composite superstructures "because the new starships are made from steel instead of CF". They aren't made from steel because it's a a better material, they're made from steel cause it's far cheaper and stronger than CF at cryogenic and reentry temperatures
Imagine telling a captain from the age of sail that ships will be built out of metal, yet fires will still be an issue. (EDIT) I understand why fires are an issue, but still, they built their ships entirely out of flammable material. Ours are made out of a similar material to what they made cannons out of.
Yes, wood is flammable, but it's surprisingly stable and load-resistant while burning ; it retain its mechanical properties way better than steel which will collapse sooner under a similar weight (at least in the case of buiding, which, I'm assuming, is quite similar, structurally speaking, to a ship).
"Ours are made out of a similar material to what they made cannons out of." _Bronze_ ships would be awesome. Think of the faces of future archeologists when they discover wrecks in _perfect_ preservation at the bottom of shores...
Also, aluminum has far less cycle life. So say a bar of steel, can take 1000kg before bending. You can essentially cycle it tens of millions of times below that deformation point without it failing. Conversely, Aluminum, work hardens and if you cycled it at 50% of it's deformation limit (not failure limit), it will eventually fail. If you wanted to stress cycle steel right around it's failure limit, you can still essentially do it millions of times before failure, aluminum you drop down to the tens of thousands if you're loading it that much. This is why airframes have flight hour limits. The aluminum skeleton has been flexed/stress too much and must go through a total overhaul/inspection/replacement.
13:18 If I recall correctly, Elon didn't say Carbon Fiber (CF) lacked those properties, actually it seems CF is better than steel for space applications. The main problem SpaceX had with CF is that it is WAY more expensive than steel and a lot more difficult to work with and since they needed to quickly iterate, they opted to use steel because of those two reasons. At least that's what I remember their reasoning being.
It was also the fact that CF is best when one solid unit and there just isn't an oven big enough to house the parts he needed, this caused structural issues as they had to make multiple parts for one weakening the total strength of the craft
@@cheeseninja1115 Oh yes, you're right!! I completely forgot about not having a big enough oven problem. Now that you mention it, I wonder how the Russians would go about making a ship made of CF.
I think what they realized is that if they used a specific type of stainless steel which gets stronger at cryogenic temperatures (like in a super chilled rocket propellant tank) then they could actually get much better strength to weight ratios than using carbon composites so even ignoring the price and workability the stainless steel was actually the logical option. However, in a use case with more normal temperatures such as a ship carbon composites are almost definitely lighter for the same strength.
As other's have pointed out, stainless steel has a more consistent performance over a wide range of temperatures. The crazy genius expects these ships to launch with cryogenic fuels than recover from the hypersonic heat of reentry.
Very good, I'm a Falklands war navy veteran, your comment on Hms Sheffield I'd like to expand on. The Exocet missile that hit her never exploded its warhead. The missile did as designed by entering horizontally then Changing direction to go down in to the hull. The missiles rocket engine burned through decks incenirating everything on its way down. I was on the Hms Hermes flght deck which was close by & took many helicopters of badly burned sailors on board while return flights left with firefighting equipment.
By WWII we learned that no matter how big and heavy a ship you make, it can be sunk by a single aircraft. I'd make my whole navy out of balsa wood if it meant I could mount more long range missles.
"I'd make my whole navy out of balsa wood if it meant I could mount more long range missles." Welcome to Elmo Zumwalt's *'High-Low' plan* that still doesn't seem to be implemented as the US Navy has abandoned it's 1980s *'600 ships navy'* policy target in favour of 'high-end procurement in prototype production numbers' - ironically exemplified in the 'Zumwalt-class'... news.usni.org/2013/06/10/analysis-the-u-s-navys-high-low-mix www.history.navy.mil/content/dam/nhhc/research/publications/1910/11%20Chapter11.pdf
@@nstl440 I think you need to read 'Kon-Tiki'. Unless the surface is protected with fiberglass/epoxy or something, it eventually becomes waterlogged. Then it most certainly CAN and DOES sink. It does perform well as a composite core though.
The fact that that little HK diesel got close enough for a torpedo strike on the carrier in that battlegroup exercise just shows that the skipper of the sub was strategically smart, and that the ASW net of the battlegroup had some holes in it. That, or sub tech has gotten insanely better since I was in an ASW patrol squadron. R.I.P. VP-22 Blue Geese. Always in my heart. ⚓❤⚓
The Hamiltom-class WHECs did have issues with cracks forming between steel and aluminum. But only during very heavy seas, such as typhoons, hurricanes and North Atlantic and Pacific Northwest storms. Hearing reports of green water entering at the base of the superstructure does make you wonder.
I used to work at Austal. LCS 700 had a major crack develop on main deck at the H05 and H06 bulkhead. It span from port to starboard and opened up 2.5 inches. All before heading out to sea trials. The EFT class ships (formally jhsv joint high speed vessel) suffered frame cracks near the bow during rough sea.
It makes sense now why Antelope, Ardent, Sheffield, and Coventry were lost so easily. Every time I watch footage or a documentary about the war I realize that the ships are taken out of action in one hit. Never made sense to me until now because I thought these Warships could take on 5-10 anti-ship missiles + gunfire + torpedos.
paper and actual combat can differ by a lot. just because it can survive a beating in paper, doesnt mean it will actually do that in actual combat. even a single, well placed hit can incapacitate a large warship if the attacker is lucky enough.
remember HMS Hood? Bismarck killed it with one shot through the ammo rack. Hood is a battlecruiser, supposedly can take as many punches as she can but no, Bismarck proved the otherwise despite the amount of steel in Battlecruiser.
I learned something new today. Our warships super structures have been made out of aluminum on some ships. Didn't know that. I can see why it hasn't been used often after learning about the melting of the metal during fires.
@@themeanestkitten When electronic component manufacturers make their products they test and classify quality and designate their best product as "military grade".
@@lexwaldez go to the gulf of Mexico, enter the Mississippi river, sail upstream and turn into the Missouri river, head upstream, stop in Iowa. Only limit is length and draft of the craft.
I served on two Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates in the 1980's, both ships experienced cracking in the aluminum superstructure after extended deployments at sea. One of them had a crack large enough that I could put my hand through from the inside of the ship to the outside. Those cracked areas were later reinforced with considerably thicker aluminum plating.
I served on an FFG (Oliver Hazard Perry class). The ship had to be put in dry dock to attach plates to the sides, to stop it from buckling. And then USS Stark was hit by two Exocets. One missile didn't even explode... instead its fuel set fire to the ship, doing as much damage as if it had exploded. And that's the thing: if you're attacked in an aluminium ship, you are at extreme danger of being burned to death, or being hit by the shrapnel. Even if Phalanx was able to intercept a missile, hundreds of missile fragments would still be inbound, at high speed, and would go right through aluminium.
If a war where to happen today i would be 100% because of rich assholes. If a war got a slight chance of removing some rich peoples debt, theyd be more than happy to try and create one.
Done correctly, it works. According to MARINE CORPS EOD GUNNERY SARGENT I WORKED WITH. But, what would HE know? Just a GUNNERY SARGENT in the fucking MARINE CORPS. What have you done?
They try to destroy the detonator. The system to ignite it "properly" and most effectively is fairly complicated. Otherwise, stored weapons would accidentally go off all the time! They do the same thing with the bomb squad, using a water jet blast to safely defuse stuff.
Um yes, a small charge is often used to defuse something unstable. Depending on the explosive in the ED thats not always a bad idea. Some modern explosives dont explode with pressure, but have many other methods for ignition. More importantly this can be done from afar afgter preperation, wich increases safety for the defusion personel.
And not to mention that littlle nasty combination of aluminium oxide and rust combination one hit or fire and it burns down like a roman candle. The britsh learend that during the falklands war , several ships had minor/medium impact damage but the fuel started a chainreaction and burned out those ships.
Aluminum-bronze is a monolithic alloy so it does not have this problem. They should have took a hint from tool makers. My Aluminum-bronze wrenches are light as a feather, do not rust and are Rockwell 65 hardness. Aluminum-bronze propellers have a great track record too. The melting point is high too at 2000 F. which is higher than BRASS!!
@@johnslugger aluminium bronze is a mostly copper alloy, with the aluminium addition partially in solution and partially precipitated as strengthening nanonscale particles. This is not a relevant addition to the discussion *at all* and the people upvoting you aren't making it any moreso. Their general corrosion resistance is also primarily due to them being a copper-nickel-iron alloy, contrary to some of the nonsense put about. Further, they're 'light as a feather' only in your mind, aluminium bronzes are denser than steels and less strong. They only exist at all because they're nonsparking and intended for use in applications where sparking may present a risk of fire. Their application in saltwater environments came as an additional benefit because those spark-sensitive applications are primarily oil and gas pipeline, and these alloys were first used by Europeans where a considerable proportion of oil and gas comes from deep sea drilling
Interesting . I was a senior fabricator at Austals Australia. We were told the shelf life of a vessel was less than steel. So make them cheap and fast and up to date
I remember seeing the aluminum ladders of HMCS Kootenay's engine room fire over 50 years ago. We could see how one poor sod had made it to the ladder, several steps up towards safety, and where his boots went through the melting aluminum. He perished in that extreme heat, fire, and melted aluminum...if he was on a steel ladder, he would have made it out of the Engine Room and probably lived. I don't trust aluminum ships...naval architects need to grow out of the thoughts of entertaining using them in building warships with humans aboard.
I would not want to be aboard one if a heavy weight torpedo or pressure mine explodes beneath the keel........it'll certainly break the ship in two from the bottom up the way Titanic broke apart. And like Titanic, both halves will probably rapidly sink.
@@taraswertelecki3786 Which the aluminum will alleviate how, exactly? If you get hit by a torpedo, you're going down, no matter what you're made of. The only difference is with aluminum hulls, you can't take any hits _at all,_ let alone from a torpedo. Not exactly a good trade.
@@finnaustin4002 - There are photos of the ladder at Damage Contol Training Centre at CFB Naden which is a base that surrounds HMC Dockyard Esquimalt. Fire School is on the east side of the harbour, has classrooms and a massive three-deck high mock-up of a ship to practice fire fighting and fighting floods. Since I've actually been there, did my initial and advanced training there during the Cold War, eventually qualified as a Fire Team Leader and ship's Damage Control Officer, I totally understand where the 'shit-talking' is coming from. You. You have no understanding of: where the seat of the fire was (gear-box), why: an explosion during full-speed trials, where the engineering techs were after the explosion and fire: on the deck (grill) on their hands and knees crawling towards one of the two ladders, you do not know the layout of the engine room. In fact, you know nothing about the explosion and fire, or anything else about HMCS Kootenay (DDE 258). Google "HMCS Kootenay fire," click on the google images tab: the 1st image, near the top centre left: that is a ladder with a rung clearly melted and where a seaboot went through and continued below down, bending the lower rung (centre left of photo) as the sailor fell to his demise. Grow up and earn your right to be a part of adults' conversations. Start by reading about facts, question them, continue by writing without insulting people who know more than you have learned from books alone. (Original (larger) Image at Hazegray.org)
worked on the port royal when i first was starting out in the shipyards. Everything above the main deck was aluminum. Sure was a sight to see when it pulled in
The Germans made that same argument in two world wars and in the end submarines did not save them. Once submarines began being hunted by allied destroyer and their infrastructure began to be targeted, from sub tenders to pens, it was over for the submarines. They are but one weapon system in an arsenal of many, and alone they can be hunted down like any other system.
@@SerinaDeMadrigal On the other hand submarines are just weaker and more expensive destroyers, being submerged thus stealthier is their only selling point. The very last advances in sensors, satellite/air infra red imaging, big data AI analysis, sensor integration and datalinks, underwater drones and computing power can make, in some two decades or so, even absolutely stealthiest submarines quite easy to detect and track in real time submerged in a deep ocean. And this would take away their only advantage. Only time will tell, technological advances killed many naval vessel classes and created some others.
@@beaddy101Breaking enigma was part of it, but radar was also very important, along with the development of more effective anti sub weapons. Enigma, tells you what they are doing, radar told you where they are and the weapons destroyed them.
They changed their view. Their hybrid procurement system doesn't allow much waste now. All the research bureaus share their work as spin offs across the board. All the Soviet era major research centers are accessible to all research bureaus. Supersonic wind tunnels for instance. The military state their needs, research bureaus prototype until a project is green lighted and industry takes over. All compartmentalized and rationalized for maximum result per rubble. Competition is horizontal and state management is vertical.
@@manictiger What is dumbfounding is that the brain pool is there, resources are there and so are facilities. I remember a Congress oversight committee asking a submariner if turbo jet shrouds required making surface every 20 minute. As long as clueless decide on procurement the trend will go on. Try explaining to a noob that orbital inertia doesn't nail astronauts to the bulkhead.
@@r.p5380 It's not about economics. It's a supply problem. Titanium is kind of rare, ergo the relatively high price tag and the lack of Titanium floating around in the industry. There's aluminum and steel everywhere you look, but Titanium bars... Yeah, several times the cost of even the highest quality aluminum billets.
I think they should use steel hulls with superstructures out of of other materials (but more modular) and trapped, clamped, or bolted down rather than welded for greater strength and for easy replacement.
Wait till they find out the spruce, kidd class destroyers and the Ticonderoga class Aegis cruisers are built from aluminum in the late 1970s, early 1980s.
My ship was Coontz class from the 50s.. It was still aluminum above the main deck ... I assume they all were it saves weight and keeps the ship from being top heavy.. Also being lighter helps top speed.. Not a revelation at all..
I've never heard the myth about HMS Sheffield. It was reported at the time (I remember) that the Sheffield's defence systems failed to detect an incoming Exocet. Sheffield had no ECM. Sadly, HMS Glasgow did have ECM and its radar detected the launch of two Super Etenard missiles but, because the Sheffield didn't, Sheffield wasn't put into action stations and the Sheffield's captain was not aware of Glasgow's Handbrake warning having been issued.
I believe that the main question should be, how the vessels are constructect and designed to protect the sailors? Survivability is the main topic here.
Was a DC aboard Antrim FFG20, and remember a lot of extra welding from both our shop and "yard birds". Galvanic corrosion wasn't ever discussed, but the bar stock holding the super structure to the main deck required a "code" to weld on it...squids weren't allowed anywhere near it with our PowCon unit!
@@mrmidnight32 Just by looking at them you can tell they suck. Just wondering what will happen to the ones that were already built? Are they gonna be scrapped or something?
This was highly instructive. Thanks for sharing! Just a minor quible - They aren't making warships out of soda can aluminum but from aluminum alloy, which is stronger. And that will work for now. In the future more and more "space age" materials will be invented that will make future warships much stronger with little or no weight gain.
Bit of a walk here but... my dad was an engineer on a tug that supported Project Sea Shadow (IX-529). This kind of aluminum hull kinda tumble home form was exactly the kind of thing they were testing back then. It goes a long way to explaining the Independence hull form and this kind of light weight superstructure.
This does remind me of hearing about one of the great footnotes of the Falkland Islands War, when the British were using polyesther uniforms for troops, which they found out not only were prone to melting in far more conditions than wool, they also tended to result in worse burns. I've always wondered about using either heat treated steel or cold worked to save weight, both are wildly stronger than untreated material, but both suffer from serious heat vulnerability, which is a big issue in something like a ship, as the material will lose strength with exposure to heat and fail as it no longer meets he engineering requirements. I still think you could use stuff like that on an aircraft more reasonably, and it's strength is already competitive with titanium, the issue for the cold working is the dies, even diamonds stop being hard enough, while for the heat treatment it's hard to get deep heat treatment on thicker sections, which doesn't matter on aircraft at all. I also wonder about ceramics sometimes, aluminum oxide for example is extremely refractory, hard AF and exceedingly heat resistant.
Cool, my first two ships are shown one right after the other, near the beginning (0:52) of the video, the USS Long Beach CGN-9, and the USS Tattnall DDG-19! 😎👍
The aluminum used in the super structer is alloyed with magnesium which lowers its ignition point below 1200 degrees farenhightt. I know this because I was a hull technician 2nd class in the US Navy and part of my rate was firefighting. Aluminum won’t burn by it’s self.
My last year in the Navy (1964-1965) I was aboard the USS Atlanta (IX-304). The Navy wanted to know how an aluminum-clad warship would withstand a nuclear attack. It was to be nuclear, but The U.S. signing the nuclear atmospheric test-ban treaty did away with the nuclear atmospheric test, so the tests were done with 100-ton hemispheres of TNT - melted out of WWII bombs and placed on the shore of the Hawaiian uninhabited island of Kahoolawe. We had aluminum deck houses, torpedo tubes, radar antennas, and other aluminun structures, all above the main deck - and we were on the third deck down - and sealed in. During the tests, it was like being in a huge steel barrel that was struck by a big hammer. You could say that we got a bang out of it. At least we didn't get any exposure to nuclear radiation. The tests were conducted by EG&G.
@@Feroce you don't need to risk it with mercury ( it can cause cancer) use Galium, Much safer, and as i remeber shoud do the job faster. + you can get it without raising any suspision and have your own inexperience as as mask. " Yea i saw some guys playin with it on YT it looked safe" XD
Now I want to get ahold of some mercury and a hunk of aluminum and see what happens when I put the two together . Hopefully ,it would do something cool like have weird flames or whatever.
*_". . . while Aluminum doesn't burn . . ."_* Aluminum, especially _powdered_ Aluminum, burns. The powdered version is often used to enhance explosives, including Thermite Reactions.
@@vikingghost117 There are three things that Bigfoot always knows . . . ● when the Police are coming; ● when there are no High Quality cameras for a radius of 60 miles; and ● where the Smart People "hang out" on RUclips;
Powdered Aluminium burns but so does powdered steel, the pictures of "burnt" aluminium ships are really melted ships and if your ship reaches that temperature it doesn't really matter anyway, its scrap. Regular solid aluminium wont burn, you can try this yourself or look up a number of videos on youtube, even if you put a blowtorch to it for several minutes all it will do is melt.
It's important to recognise that survivability of the ship is different than survivability of the crew in the context of the loss of the ship. Aluminium produces incredible toxins that spread incredibly fast in fire that will also spread incredibly fast. Steel allows a crew time to fight and allows time for evacuation in case that fight looks futile. Aluminium gives one no such luxury of time.
You sounds like reformer, but US Army have already conducted tests on prototype M2 Bradley regarding similar issues and found no evidence to support that hypothesis. Watch Spookston "problem with Pentagon War".
I'd say the Shuttle is precisely NOT a good example. It's killed more astronauts than any other vehicle with two LOVCs. One of them, caused precisely by tile damage. That could've happened yet another time, but by pure sheer luck, the missing tile just happened to be positioned over a structural part that was steel and not aluminum, and so it survived reentry anyway. Not saying aluminum is a bad material, quite the contrary, it's a fantastic material. It's just a matter of using each when it makes sense to do so. In very large structures subjected to heavy stress, or structures where that might need to survive a lot of heat, steel ends up being better and even lighter, because while it is heavier than aluminum, it's stronger, and it reacts better at higher temps, so you require much less of it.
Man I served on HSV -2 Swift, was a hell of a ride but was heart breaking to see her destroyed, she was still home for some time during my service, will miss her, and honestly can chill see myself walking through her decks in dreams and memories
I like how everyone is commenting how aluminium burns and bring up thermite as example while totally ignoring that iron oxide is used in the recipe. Iron-ic much?
yeah what machina said you are mistaking the function of the metallic salts, and forgetting that they are metallic salts which have different properties to the pure element, take sodium chloride for example, sodium in its pure form is a highly reactive metal a alkali metal, and chlorine is toxic to humans but combined it is just common house hold salt.
@@joesephray208 dry don't remember what the names of the ships were ...but the ships that were made from an Aluminum alloy burned fiercely..... stick with steel
And do not forget who supplied the missiles, the French supplied the missiles during the conflict via Brazil so much for our EU allies, stabbing us in the back again nearly 40 years later.
A well-balanced and informative video. At the end, the question is posed: “Is that enough to save a ship from modern anti-ship missiles during an actual war? Hopefully, we'll never find out”. I'm afraid that we will find out all too soon in the forthcoming invasion of Taiwan, which will be mainly an asymmetric ship-versus-missile war. My guess is that Taiwan will lose, primarily not because its anti-ship missiles will prove ineffective but because it will just run out of them.
@@2000ViperGTSsubscribe 1.he knows he will lose his votes if hes not reacting, therefor if china should be so stuipid he will intervene. 2. China will not invade Taiwan anyway in the near future if you ask me.
@2000ViperGTSsubscribe You just made 2 subjective politically-motivated comments that are both quite ridiculous. Biden pulled us out of Afghanistan partially because he wanted to be able to commit more of our military assets to the Far East in order to protect Taiwan and to ensure freedom of navigation in the South China Sea. Biden and the State Department have also been working to enhance our relationships with our western Pacific allies such as Japan, South Korea, Philippines, and Australia in order to counter the growing military and economic strength of Communist China.
0:25 Is this supposed to be a clean-room (or semi-clean-room) environment? Are they wearing those coverings to keep hair out of equipment? If not, then what are they for?
Sarge Sacker25 it’s the only one I heard so far, other than the veteran taking advantage of a bug in the simulation during an exercise to make the insurgent force win
Aside form scuttling, very few ships are sunk without onboard fires. The ones that come close are usually because of cracks developing from explosive shock and in many cases accentuated by fatigue from previous service in rough seas. Historically, aluminum deck houses have been compromised by destroyers firing their own guns. This problem was "solved" by upgrading the aft gun mount to a helicopter platform.
Or maybe the reason why they keep going back and forth on the usage of Aluminium is because they get pissed when other countries keep making fun of their incorrect pronunciation of Aluminium
First incorrect assumption you made is that it is spelled the same way in all English speaking countries where it’s spelled aluminium in the UK and linguistically linked countries and is written aluminum in America. Your second is getting pissed from the intentional spelling and pronunciation differences that the United States created after the revolution to make sure that there was a very clear and distinct difference so we could no longer readily identify as and send the message we are not British subjects and never will be again. Only people who are afraid of something different would think that anyone at all would be angered by that
@@zumadog Yeah, that's not why it's pronounced 'Aluminum' in North America at all though your blind patriotism is very cute. Canadians incidentally also have that spelling. Everywhere else, including the rest of Europe in their languages, call it aluminium. Originally it was aluminium in North America as well as seen in Webster's dictionary of the 1820s and both spellings were common in the USA throughout the 19th century until the 'Um' spelling became more popular at the turn of the century. It wasn't until the 1920s that American scientists formally began calling it Aluminum. It's unknown whether it was simply a spelling error that became popular or because the 'um' spelling made it sound similar to Platinum, another valuable metal. Certainly has nothing to do with the American rebellion. (I call it that just to trigger you) Noah Webster did rewrite the English language to wrest it away from the British ruling classes who had similarly rewritten it to give it Greek, Latin and French spelling and separate it from its German roots. Flem or Flemme became Phlegm for example because of this upper-class snobbery. He didn't do it as a snub to all the British, he actually hoped it would become popular in Britain too. It was very much an attempt to give English back to the lower classes who weren't taught Ancient Greek, Latin or French at school; if they went to school at all. He succeeded in North America, despite the efforts of the American upper-classes who thought he was dumbing down the language, but failed to make an impression on Britain. In many ways, US English spelling resembles Middle English before the British upper-classes romanticised it.
@@terrystevens5261 It's far from the only word in the Concise Oxford that has been Americanised over the decades / centuries....get over it....the world isn't going to stop revolving. BOTH are correct.
I thought a lot of the issues around aluminium in the Falkands./RN were about crew survivability (i.e. the ability for the crew to survive and get off the ship) rather than ship survivability (i.e. the ability for damage crontolto keep the ship afloat/operational).
It was actually combination of thermal properties (which is in no way relevant for ships that don't store cryogenic propellants nor have to survive reentry heat from interplanetary speeds) and also a possibility to iterate fast because once a mold or a loom for composite part is made, it's very hard and expensive to change the design.
5:07 No, it can't. Brittle IMCs would form. Aluminium is either bolded or riveted to steel. But the stuff about corrosion and thermally induced cracking is correct.
I feel like comparing spaceships to sea ships is an apples to oranges comparison. They have vastly different roles and physical environments to handle.
@@zacharytracy3797 it's all about surface area exposed to the oxidizer, in this case air. One of the easiest ways to start a fire, is with steel wool: ruclips.net/video/5MDH92VxPEQ/видео.html So, yeah. Steel burns.
@@theancienteternaloaktree That's because metal powders burn, but the metal themselves do not. Aluminium doesn't burn, mpetersen6 could simply have Googled that instead of demonstrating his ignorance in front of people but he probably doesn't have internet access. /s
nah its entirely different methods and people making these. but chevy does manage to make some reliable vehicles, their small block V8 is legendary for what can be done to it
"... and does not need to be painted above the waterline."
Anyone who has been in the Navy:
"SOLD"
I worked at Navy Afloat Training Group (ATG) Pacific my last few years in the Navy. I personally inspected these new Aluminum warships. They are junk from the shipyards. They have so many structural issues its ridiculous, many due to their aluminum construction. They are a massive waste of money. Many parts of the skin of the ship can be penetrated by a round as small as .50 cal.
@@jeremiahharkema1232
Thank you for your service!
@@jeremiahharkema1232 I’m trying to join the navy as we speak hope I get in
@@jeremiahharkema1232 sounds like a very American thing
@@Shotgun93Alexander hell try join the submarine squad you get the best food and most money and tbh ur safe as fuck with the new subs
Near future: This Plastic Destroyer is light and won't corrode.
We got something similar to that 😁
ruclips.net/video/Yi8ltZoR3fw/видео.html
But melts at very low temperatures
There’s bacteria in the ocean that can already eat plastic
@@MrOiram46 Bio war go brrrr
@@RottenFlesh-we6nu there are many plastics and special polymers with insane durability, resistance and high melting points. Bonkey
13:20 SpaceX isnt using stainless steel because it surpasses carbon fiber in mechanical properties. Theyre using stainless steel because its cheaper and easier to produce.
That, and they're interested in some pretty extreme temperature behaviours that are not a consideration when building ships.
@@asharak84 yepp, in reentry stainless steel (of course a special production) can absorb heat far better then carbon fiber and is far cheaper and easier to maintain then ceramics etc.
And just WTF does THAT have to do with aluminium warships my friend?
Carbon fiber is a composite material, it's carbon and normally epoxy.
Stainless steel will handle the heat of reentry with their new cooling system, where as carbon fiber will just melt into goo and burn.
It has nothing to do with cost, although doubtless it's a bonus for business profits.
It beats carbon because carbon cracks when damaged where steel will deform. Steel also can withstand vast amounts of heat.
We are at a point technologically where everything that is mobile is a glass cannon, as the offense far exceeds the defense possible. This is true in ships, planes, tanks etc.
Yep. Very dense point defenses are the only thing that might save a ship at this point.
The Admirals won't tell you but the Chinese could sink our entire Navy with huge flurries of cheap hypersonic, broken-trajectory missiles that can overwhelm All defenses, including Phalanx.
@@cybervigilante Ballistic missiles if you are speaking of the Dong-Feng.
Except for infantry against small arms. I know there is a smart targeting system for hunting. Like tracking point.
Offensive weapons have became so strong that bombs are used to protect tanks instead of conventional armour lol
(Explosive reactive armour)
My father's destroyer, the USS Mackenzie DD-836, was made of Bethlehem Steel, from the old steel works in Bethlehem PA. It was an awesome ship.
I don't know what kind of steel my old man's ship was made out of, but I'm sure somewhere there's a record of where the ship was built. It was the USS Manley I think DD-940. I know it was an old WW2 ship that went through a full retrofit before Vietnam started. Believe it has long since been decommissioned.
Now it is a casino complex.
@@WALTERBROADDUS The Sands is adjacent to it, but the stacks and buildings are still intact. My ex-girlfriend is in Bethlehem, the apartment I got her overlooks the stacks: it's an unteresting place, the Moravian Church and museum, and there's a little known Tomb of the Unknown soldiers of the Revolutionary war there because the town served as a hospital.
@@williamm374 Drove up 309 to Bethlehem once. Yep, a place one escapes from.
They are all aluminum above the main deck. it saves weight and keeps them from being top heavy.. Increases their speed..
"Why is The US Building Aluminum Warships?" Well, all those billions of soda cans we throw away every year need to be recycled into something.
Answer they big smooth brain 🧠
I wonder how many brown envelopes are needed for big contracts like this.
The large bulk of them get recycled into ... aluminum soda cans!
Its win win situation
and if a hole gets blown in it then the sailors can patch it with discarded PBR
I like to make my Multi-million dollar warships from Radium personally
Same
I prefer enriched plutonium
I prefer the hulls to be made of enriched uranium with a bit of neutrons for the contingency plan
So specific 😅
Personally I prefer Niobium.
So this is why we’ve been recycling all those soda cans
if the cans said "recycle this to build war ships" that would be plenty of motivation for me to do it.
Yes. Andebetytime you open the doors of those ships, it sounds like a soda can being opened....”fff! Zzzzzzz.......”
@UCXG7ePzlzyFSp7GP8tSKGrw lol no keep drinking your beers patriot we need that aluminum for the war effort.
@@skymaster4121 Actually they sound cheap, and rattle compared to steel doors which shut with just 2 dogs instead of the whole set on a wobbly lever..
Haha nah. The reason why cans are made out of aluminum is because it saves up on transport cost. But to manufacture aluminum is extremely bad for the environment.
There is a combination of poisonous chemical waste and extreme energy requirements that makes aluminum can really bad.
Very interesting and very well done. I am from South Louisiana where literally hundreds of aluminum vessels of all sizes have been built to support the offshore oil industry. Most evident are the passenger carrying "crew boats" used to transport workers to and from offshore rigs. Aluminum is light, light is fast, and fast means reduced trip times in a business where time is money. I have never heard of aluminum boats experiencing more or more severe problems than their steel counterparts. If I ever win the lottery and become capable of building a retirement yacht, it will be built of aluminum...sort of putting my money where my mouth is so to speak.
You will spend all your retirement money on sacrificing anode and welding patches for missing structures. You may drop into the water while sitting on your toilet. Corporations are spending investors money. Navy, Army, USMC, and Air Force are spending tax payers money. Who is caring the cost. Mr Rouge
@@larrylam2648 The US oil industry is not fond of wasting money. Having a vessel in dry dock can cost the owner(s) a fortune. If aluminum was that much of a problem, they would have quit using it before you were born.
@@LA_Viking Being a Mechanical engineer nearly forty years, I have witnessed many dumb ideas regarding the weight saving. For example Dodge were using plastic for door latches, B-1B GE engine dis-integrated during flight because some engineers decide to reduce the fan blades retaining to .020 in thick. X33 spacecraft fuel tank without metal lining, and hydrogen seeped through composite like there was no tank wall. F35B aircraft could not land on any ground unless there is steel floor to dissipate the heat. Some of my trainees showed new components from the dark project. Without spending time, I recommended them making the vendors redesigned to add some more weight. I took a corrosion engineering course 400+ at UW, and my professor had worked for Boeing high speed boat with hydrofoil. He mentioned that putting aluminum into sea water like putting iron into the acid. In this world there are many inexperienced engineers always wanted prove the other conservative group that they are more advance and smarter. I am in the conservative group. My design will last to the end life cycle of the products. I fixed many thousand poor engineering designs.
I love to put heart pacemaker with aluminum housing into your chest if you need one, so you can be smarter.
Yeah man. We have aluminum boats in the Gulf of Mexico. Paint it all. Use isolation sleeves on through hull bolts. 316 L bolts. Avoid dissimilar metals touching and don’t worry about galvanic crud.
Crew boats are small enough that you can make them very rigid, thus cracking isn't an issue. You can't do that with a 750 foot vessel... it will flex in heavy seas.
Anyone ever heard of Royal British Navy's insane plan to make an aircraft carrier from an iceberg
Yes amd its called ( project habbakukk ) the biggest aircraft carrier out of ice (which is pycrete) they cancelled the project because its expensive to make one or there stupid because the ice is weak and it can melt through hot temperature but anyways the project habbakukk is bigger than any aircraft carrier
At least it’s not going to catch on fire!
Probably......
Well it was not going to be made out of pure Ice.. But a mixed Ice sawdust composite.. The sawdust added strength to the Ice and also has some insulating properties that slowed the melting of the ice.. The ACC was supposed to have a refrigeration unit on board with pipes running through the ice to keep the Ice cold.. In the end with the USA building so many conventional ships and the effective countermeasures they had against subs the need for the ICE carrier was no longer deemed necessary..
They tried shooting the Ice, they shot the Normal ice then it went thru, they shot the Customize Ice and it bounched and shot another Person
Well I mean wtf, pycrete cannot cracked or destroyed from torpedoes but it will from stronger projectiles like bullets, mines or high power torpedoes but also maybe incendiary ammunitons cuz it could melt pycrete
They cost more and wear out sooner. That's good for keeping the budget up.
aren't military programs focusing on providing jobs?
Yeah. I understand using it in smaller ships such as coast guard where the ship or boat being faster would help as aluminium is lighter
@@hphp31416 no
Not only faster. But any seas over 10ft damage them.
@@MinehowTech Actually, yes...the more people who die in your thin ship hulls, the more people you hire to make more ships, and more people recruited to be in your new ships...that will die. Repeat cycle.
It’s all about duct tape these days, gentlemen. Duct Tape.
Nah, Flex Tape.
Just make the siren's and alarms out of cowbells, and I will ride that ship to new lands!
"To prove how strong Flex Tape is!
I sawed this stealth, multi-continental $600,000 purpose built ship in half!
If you can't duc it fuc it
@@HisHolinessMadarchode -👊🎯
Using the shuttle as a example how good aluminum works in extreme heat is really poor choice... the tiles that protected it were extremely fragile,expensive and required a lot maintenance.Don't think a navy vessel would be suitable
Russians wont use aluminum....
They will use stalinium......
But it still didn't melt. According to the video modern ships have fire/heat protection in key areas, so the example applies.
I know you try to to be smart, but let me tell you it simply does not work....The space shuttle example is fine, you just don't get what he was saying thats the problem ;)
@@IIISentorIII no, the example was shit, just like hin saying that Elon doesn't approve of the Russians building composite superstructures "because the new starships are made from steel instead of CF". They aren't made from steel because it's a a better material, they're made from steel cause it's far cheaper and stronger than CF at cryogenic and reentry temperatures
@@krupert8355 "it didn't melt" Columbia disaster would like to have a word with you
Imagine telling a captain from the age of sail that ships will be built out of metal, yet fires will still be an issue.
(EDIT) I understand why fires are an issue, but still, they built their ships entirely out of flammable material. Ours are made out of a similar material to what they made cannons out of.
I see your point.
Yes, wood is flammable, but it's surprisingly stable and load-resistant while burning ; it retain its mechanical properties way better than steel which will collapse sooner under a similar weight (at least in the case of buiding, which, I'm assuming, is quite similar, structurally speaking, to a ship).
Anything can burn if you try hard enough
Big brane
"Ours are made out of a similar material to what they made cannons out of."
_Bronze_ ships would be awesome.
Think of the faces of future archeologists when they discover wrecks in _perfect_ preservation at the bottom of shores...
Also, aluminum has far less cycle life. So say a bar of steel, can take 1000kg before bending. You can essentially cycle it tens of millions of times below that deformation point without it failing.
Conversely, Aluminum, work hardens and if you cycled it at 50% of it's deformation limit (not failure limit), it will eventually fail.
If you wanted to stress cycle steel right around it's failure limit, you can still essentially do it millions of times before failure, aluminum you drop down to the tens of thousands if you're loading it that much.
This is why airframes have flight hour limits. The aluminum skeleton has been flexed/stress too much and must go through a total overhaul/inspection/replacement.
Sheffield
It would have been quite ironic to build a ship out of anything other than steel and then name it “Sheffield”
My thought. Sheffield, Broadsword and Coventry were all sunk and their aluminium structures melted before they went down.
I want a coal-structured ship named 'Newcastle'
13:18 If I recall correctly, Elon didn't say Carbon Fiber (CF) lacked those properties, actually it seems CF is better than steel for space applications. The main problem SpaceX had with CF is that it is WAY more expensive than steel and a lot more difficult to work with and since they needed to quickly iterate, they opted to use steel because of those two reasons. At least that's what I remember their reasoning being.
It was also the fact that CF is best when one solid unit and there just isn't an oven big enough to house the parts he needed, this caused structural issues as they had to make multiple parts for one weakening the total strength of the craft
@@cheeseninja1115 Oh yes, you're right!! I completely forgot about not having a big enough oven problem.
Now that you mention it, I wonder how the Russians would go about making a ship made of CF.
I think what they realized is that if they used a specific type of stainless steel which gets stronger at cryogenic temperatures (like in a super chilled rocket propellant tank) then they could actually get much better strength to weight ratios than using carbon composites so even ignoring the price and workability the stainless steel was actually the logical option. However, in a use case with more normal temperatures such as a ship carbon composites are almost definitely lighter for the same strength.
As other's have pointed out, stainless steel has a more consistent performance over a wide range of temperatures. The crazy genius expects these ships to launch with cryogenic fuels than recover from the hypersonic heat of reentry.
@@AlexTamayo. ship don't have to take pressure, their hulk only need to hold their shape so they can be jigsaw together.
Very good, I'm a Falklands war navy veteran, your comment on Hms Sheffield I'd like to expand on. The Exocet missile that hit her never exploded its warhead. The missile did as designed by entering horizontally then Changing direction to go down in to the hull. The missiles rocket engine burned through decks incenirating everything on its way down. I was on the Hms Hermes flght deck which was close by & took many helicopters of badly burned sailors on board while return flights left with firefighting equipment.
U.S Navy: _replaces aluminum completely_
Aluminum Manufacturers: *>:0*
By WWII we learned that no matter how big and heavy a ship you make, it can be sunk by a single aircraft.
I'd make my whole navy out of balsa wood if it meant I could mount more long range missles.
"I'd make my whole navy out of balsa wood if it meant I could mount more long range missles."
Welcome to Elmo Zumwalt's *'High-Low' plan* that still doesn't seem to be implemented as the US Navy has abandoned it's 1980s *'600 ships navy'* policy target in favour of 'high-end procurement in prototype production numbers' - ironically exemplified in the 'Zumwalt-class'...
news.usni.org/2013/06/10/analysis-the-u-s-navys-high-low-mix
www.history.navy.mil/content/dam/nhhc/research/publications/1910/11%20Chapter11.pdf
Balsa wood can't sink;)
@@nstl440 I think you need to read 'Kon-Tiki'. Unless the surface is protected with fiberglass/epoxy or something, it eventually becomes waterlogged. Then it most certainly CAN and DOES sink. It does perform well as a composite core though.
those ship are literally cheaper than this useless ship made out of alluminium that probably wont even stand a chances against 40MM cannon
USS America would like to have a word
The fact that that little HK diesel got close enough for a torpedo strike on the carrier in that battlegroup exercise just shows that the skipper of the sub was strategically smart, and that the ASW net of the battlegroup had some holes in it. That, or sub tech has gotten insanely better since I was in an ASW patrol squadron.
R.I.P. VP-22 Blue Geese. Always in my heart. ⚓❤⚓
The Hamiltom-class WHECs did have issues with cracks forming between steel and aluminum. But only during very heavy seas, such as typhoons, hurricanes and North Atlantic and Pacific Northwest storms. Hearing reports of green water entering at the base of the superstructure does make you wonder.
Hahaha Philippine Navy is using Hamilton Class as an Off shore patrol vessel and yet she still runs good and they upgraded some systems
I make my ships out of elemental sodium currently.
Can't seem to get then to float without burning up though. Not sure why
Try bicarbonating the sodium. 😁
Did you try restarting it?
Why not try a Francium Coated Enriched Uranium and Cobalt Alloy?
Just make your ships outta H2O, there problem solved.
@@justiron2999 Yes, you have the same density with water, therefore you can also act like a Submarine!👍👍👍
I used to work at Austal. LCS 700 had a major crack develop on main deck at the H05 and H06 bulkhead. It span from port to starboard and opened up 2.5 inches. All before heading out to sea trials. The EFT class ships (formally jhsv joint high speed vessel) suffered frame cracks near the bow during rough sea.
why is your voice so calming
ikr!? he sounds like hes always on the verge of telling a joke!
I had a good laugh Andy. Thanks 😂
Calming ? he annoyed teh fuck out of me with the American pronunciation of aluminium
@@gowdsake7103 I was going to say the same thing, I had to stop watching after 5 minutes
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Ship: is made of aluminium
Mercury thermometers in the infirmary: bonjour
3:20
Crew: omg there's a huge bomb that could rip our ship in half
Damage control crew: blow it up lol
You'll be surprised how tanks protect themselves from projectiles.
@@yamby6709 exept that tanks blow the projectiles outside of their "hull"
@@suntzu1719 its still funny that tanks protect themselves from exploding by exploding shit outside their hull
towards the end, spacex chose steel over composites for starship due to cost and speed of fabrication, not due to structural issues
Also stainless steel is very strong at cryo temps
It makes sense now why Antelope, Ardent, Sheffield, and Coventry were lost so easily. Every time I watch footage or a documentary about the war I realize that the ships are taken out of action in one hit. Never made sense to me until now because I thought these Warships could take on 5-10 anti-ship missiles + gunfire + torpedos.
But they did! these ships failed because they were overwhelmed or were shot at from blind angles
paper and actual combat can differ by a lot. just because it can survive a beating in paper, doesnt mean it will actually do that in actual combat. even a single, well placed hit can incapacitate a large warship if the attacker is lucky enough.
You look handsome
remember HMS Hood? Bismarck killed it with one shot through the ammo rack. Hood is a battlecruiser, supposedly can take as many punches as she can but no, Bismarck proved the otherwise despite the amount of steel in Battlecruiser.
high explosive will do that
I learned something new today. Our warships super structures have been made out of aluminum on some ships. Didn't know that. I can see why it hasn't been used often after learning about the melting of the metal during fires.
Must be that "military grade" aluminium Ford talks so much about
🤣
Military grade = cheap
@@themeanestkitten When electronic component manufacturers make their products they test and classify quality and designate their best product as "military grade".
My Ford has been trouble free and it is the first model year they used Aluminum. Semi trucks have been built out of aluminum since the 1950s.
@@flamingfrancis so they grade their own products🤨 that's like getting to grade your own work when your in school.
It's alright as long as an enemy doesn't make a huge can opener.
How many nickels would you get back in Iowa if you COULD sail it to Iowa?
Lmao😂😂😂
@@lexwaldez go to the gulf of Mexico, enter the Mississippi river, sail upstream and turn into the Missouri river, head upstream, stop in Iowa.
Only limit is length and draft of the craft.
WHAT "enemy?" We haven't had a legitimate one since WWII - EXCEPT our own worthless GOVERNMENT!
@@ForeverBleedinGreen any enemy? What, you want the name of a threat that isn't organized or maybe not even formed yet?
I served on two Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates in the 1980's, both ships experienced cracking in the aluminum superstructure after extended deployments at sea. One of them had a crack large enough that I could put my hand through from the inside of the ship to the outside. Those cracked areas were later reinforced with considerably thicker aluminum plating.
I served on an FFG (Oliver Hazard Perry class). The ship had to be put in dry dock to attach plates to the sides, to stop it from buckling. And then USS Stark was hit by two Exocets. One missile didn't even explode... instead its fuel set fire to the ship, doing as much damage as if it had exploded.
And that's the thing: if you're attacked in an aluminium ship, you are at extreme danger of being burned to death, or being hit by the shrapnel. Even if Phalanx was able to intercept a missile, hundreds of missile fragments would still be inbound, at high speed, and would go right through aluminium.
"Hopefully we will never find out"
Me: If there is humans, there will be wars.
@@UserAgreementNoodle ye
If a war where to happen today i would be 100% because of rich assholes. If a war got a slight chance of removing some rich peoples debt, theyd be more than happy to try and create one.
@@TheGamingNorwegian Well, there's China to consider....
More about Politics lately.
I remember when the DNC STOOD WITH REPUBLICANS AGAINST IT.
@@UserAgreementNoodle
And Comrade Biden just EXTENDED the war in Afghanistan.
I wonder, what is his cut of the $$$$?
This was a very nice overview. Pros and cons laid out in what appeared to me was a fair, balanced fashion.
Your longer videos are really good, keep on doing them!
"Yeah let's just diffuse the bomb with another bomb, they should cancel out right?"
Done correctly, it works. According to MARINE CORPS EOD GUNNERY SARGENT I WORKED WITH.
But, what would HE know?
Just a GUNNERY SARGENT in the fucking MARINE CORPS.
What have you done?
They try to destroy the detonator.
The system to ignite it "properly" and most effectively is fairly complicated.
Otherwise, stored weapons would accidentally go off all the time!
They do the same thing with the bomb squad, using a water jet blast to safely defuse stuff.
I think that actually works tho
Um yes, a small charge is often used to defuse something unstable. Depending on the explosive in the ED thats not always a bad idea. Some modern explosives dont explode with pressure, but have many other methods for ignition.
More importantly this can be done from afar afgter preperation, wich increases safety for the defusion personel.
@@donaldmurphy3148 He doesn't even know you or your supposed Marine friend, how would he know?
Combining aluminum with other metals in a salt water environment is problematic.
Sitting in salt water on its own is a problem, let alone in a galvanic couple
And not to mention that littlle nasty combination of aluminium oxide and rust combination one hit or fire and it burns down like a roman candle.
The britsh learend that during the falklands war , several ships had minor/medium impact damage but the fuel started a chainreaction and burned out those ships.
Aluminum-bronze is a monolithic alloy so it does not have this problem. They should have took a hint from tool makers. My Aluminum-bronze wrenches are light as a feather, do not rust and are Rockwell 65 hardness. Aluminum-bronze propellers have a great track record too. The melting point is high too at 2000 F. which is higher than BRASS!!
@@johnslugger aluminium bronze is a mostly copper alloy, with the aluminium addition partially in solution and partially precipitated as strengthening nanonscale particles. This is not a relevant addition to the discussion *at all* and the people upvoting you aren't making it any moreso. Their general corrosion resistance is also primarily due to them being a copper-nickel-iron alloy, contrary to some of the nonsense put about.
Further, they're 'light as a feather' only in your mind, aluminium bronzes are denser than steels and less strong. They only exist at all because they're nonsparking and intended for use in applications where sparking may present a risk of fire. Their application in saltwater environments came as an additional benefit because those spark-sensitive applications are primarily oil and gas pipeline, and these alloys were first used by Europeans where a considerable proportion of oil and gas comes from deep sea drilling
I have a 40 year old aluminum boat. Looks new.
0:12 that's a boat right? given what i learned from this channel xd
USS Pegasus, yes we have made a short on it ruclips.net/video/eNVyxw44-Yk/видео.html
Just play Azur Lane EZ
Is that a SNAFU cover as your pfp
@@bottomtext5872 yes, book 14th cover
Interesting . I was a senior fabricator at Austals Australia. We were told the shelf life of a vessel was less than steel. So make them cheap and fast and up to date
I remember seeing the aluminum ladders of HMCS Kootenay's engine room fire over 50 years ago. We could see how one poor sod had made it to the ladder, several steps up towards safety, and where his boots went through the melting aluminum. He perished in that extreme heat, fire, and melted aluminum...if he was on a steel ladder, he would have made it out of the Engine Room and probably lived.
I don't trust aluminum ships...naval architects need to grow out of the thoughts of entertaining using them in building warships with humans aboard.
I would not want to be aboard one if a heavy weight torpedo or pressure mine explodes beneath the keel........it'll certainly break the ship in two from the bottom up the way Titanic broke apart. And like Titanic, both halves will probably rapidly sink.
@@taraswertelecki3786 Which the aluminum will alleviate how, exactly? If you get hit by a torpedo, you're going down, no matter what you're made of. The only difference is with aluminum hulls, you can't take any hits _at all,_ let alone from a torpedo. Not exactly a good trade.
@@PhoenixT70 Not necessarily.....ships sometimes survive torpedoes. But I doubt aluminum ships will especially if the blast starts fires below decks.
Don't talk utter shit, aluminium melts at 660 degrees, the fire might have burned that hot but not while he was still alive
@@finnaustin4002 - There are photos of the ladder at Damage Contol Training Centre at CFB Naden which is a base that surrounds HMC Dockyard Esquimalt. Fire School is on the east side of the harbour, has classrooms and a massive three-deck high mock-up of a ship to practice fire fighting and fighting floods. Since I've actually been there, did my initial and advanced training there during the Cold War, eventually qualified as a Fire Team Leader and ship's Damage Control Officer, I totally understand where the 'shit-talking' is coming from.
You.
You have no understanding of: where the seat of the fire was (gear-box), why: an explosion during full-speed trials, where the engineering techs were after the explosion and fire: on the deck (grill) on their hands and knees crawling towards one of the two ladders, you do not know the layout of the engine room. In fact, you know nothing about the explosion and fire, or anything else about HMCS Kootenay (DDE 258).
Google "HMCS Kootenay fire," click on the google images tab: the 1st image, near the top centre left: that is a ladder with a rung clearly melted and where a seaboot went through and continued below down, bending the lower rung (centre left of photo) as the sailor fell to his demise.
Grow up and earn your right to be a part of adults' conversations. Start by reading about facts, question them, continue by writing without insulting people who know more than you have learned from books alone. (Original (larger) Image at Hazegray.org)
I think you mean “superstructure” not “megastructure”, bro. Nice video, tho. I was a little disappointed you didn’t talk about USS Stark, though.
worked on the port royal when i first was starting out in the shipyards. Everything above the main deck was aluminum. Sure was a sight to see when it pulled in
Yay I love these longer vids
There are two kinds of ships: submarines and targets. Put all the steel you want if it makes you feel better.
The Germans made that same argument in two world wars and in the end submarines did not save them. Once submarines began being hunted by allied destroyer and their infrastructure began to be targeted, from sub tenders to pens, it was over for the submarines. They are but one weapon system in an arsenal of many, and alone they can be hunted down like any other system.
@@vmedhe2 that was due to the enigma code breakers my friend!
@@SerinaDeMadrigal On the other hand submarines are just weaker and more expensive destroyers, being submerged thus stealthier is their only selling point.
The very last advances in sensors, satellite/air infra red imaging, big data AI analysis, sensor integration and datalinks, underwater drones and computing power can make, in some two decades or so, even absolutely stealthiest submarines quite easy to detect and track in real time submerged in a deep ocean. And this would take away their only advantage.
Only time will tell, technological advances killed many naval vessel classes and created some others.
Suddenly everyone here is an expert on submarines
@@beaddy101Breaking enigma was part of it, but radar was also very important, along with the development of more effective anti sub weapons. Enigma, tells you what they are doing, radar told you where they are and the weapons destroyed them.
It's not just about the ship surviving, it's also about the people inside surviving.
As a seafarer, I really enjoy navy theme. Thanks a lot
What's a seafarer
@@okay2439 , sea man on board merchant fleet
Meanwhile in USSR : "Frick it!" builds out of titanium
They changed their view. Their hybrid procurement system doesn't allow much waste now. All the research bureaus share their work as spin offs across the board. All the Soviet era major research centers are accessible to all research bureaus. Supersonic wind tunnels for instance. The military state their needs, research bureaus prototype until a project is green lighted and industry takes over. All compartmentalized and rationalized for maximum result per rubble. Competition is horizontal and state management is vertical.
After making 1 ship: Welp, we're completely bankrupt.
@@manictiger What is dumbfounding is that the brain pool is there, resources are there and so are facilities. I remember a Congress oversight committee asking a submariner if turbo jet shrouds required making surface every 20 minute. As long as clueless decide on procurement the trend will go on. Try explaining to a noob that orbital inertia doesn't nail astronauts to the bulkhead.
@@manictiger Soviets could just ignore economic limitations
@@r.p5380
It's not about economics. It's a supply problem. Titanium is kind of rare, ergo the relatively high price tag and the lack of Titanium floating around in the industry. There's aluminum and steel everywhere you look, but Titanium bars... Yeah, several times the cost of even the highest quality aluminum billets.
thank you for the video and! that you added the music in descriptions.
I think they should use steel hulls with superstructures out of of other materials (but more modular) and trapped, clamped, or bolted down rather than welded for greater strength and for easy replacement.
I am pretty sure they have considered such simple solutions.
Elon musk ditched carbon fiber for stainless because stainless was faster and easier to design and build with.
This ^
and better at low temperatures
@@Barten0071 in general better temperature handling especially in re-entry
lets face it, trying to build a rocket out of carbon fibre was never going to work out well
@@spawnof200 isn't a proton rocket from it?
This video, like most of your work, is fact rich, clearly presented, and relevant.
Wait till they find out the spruce, kidd class destroyers and the Ticonderoga class Aegis cruisers are built from aluminum in the late 1970s, early 1980s.
My ship was Coontz class from the 50s.. It was still aluminum above the main deck ... I assume they all were it saves weight and keeps the ship from being top heavy.. Also being lighter helps top speed.. Not a revelation at all..
'The Space Shuttle's thermal protection system protected it from melting'*
*Except when it didn't.
to be fair only the second one melted. the first one it would not of mattered what it was made out of, still would of gone boom.
this was awesome! Thanks for doing all that research and putting that together for me ;).
I've never heard the myth about HMS Sheffield. It was reported at the time (I remember) that the Sheffield's defence systems failed to detect an incoming Exocet. Sheffield had no ECM. Sadly, HMS Glasgow did have ECM and its radar detected the launch of two Super Etenard missiles but, because the Sheffield didn't, Sheffield wasn't put into action stations and the Sheffield's captain was not aware of Glasgow's Handbrake warning having been issued.
I believe that the main question should be, how the vessels are constructect and designed to protect the sailors? Survivability is the main topic here.
Who wan'ts protection
The real question is how to make them fully automated for our overlords.
Protection Onions
Avoid Encounter
Avoid Detection
Avoid Accusation
Avoid Hit
Avoid Penetration
Avoid Kill
“Hopefully we’ll never find out”
That’s a sentiment I can get behind.
I remember having welders adding gussets in different locations on the FFG46 USS Rentz when I was on her. It was a good ship.
Was a DC aboard Antrim FFG20, and remember a lot of extra welding from both our shop and "yard birds".
Galvanic corrosion wasn't ever discussed, but the bar stock holding the super structure to the main deck required a "code" to weld on it...squids weren't allowed anywhere near it with our PowCon unit!
They’re not. They even canceled these for being absolute shit. They bend and damage in any seas over 10ft.
It's not what you think
@@tridinh1011 it’s exactly what I think. I work on these ships for a living lol
@@mrmidnight32 well, im just citing the channel's name lol, the title isnt what you think it is
@@mrmidnight32 Just by looking at them you can tell they suck. Just wondering what will happen to the ones that were already built? Are they gonna be scrapped or something?
Pre or post delivery
This is information I didn't know I needed!!
My dad should have been on the sheffield but ended up severely ill several weeks before deployment...
Thank god for the shits, eh?
@@krashd shingles doesnt give you the shits...
This was highly instructive. Thanks for sharing! Just a minor quible - They aren't making warships out of soda can aluminum but from aluminum alloy, which is stronger. And that will work for now. In the future more and more "space age" materials will be invented that will make future warships much stronger with little or no weight gain.
Bit of a walk here but... my dad was an engineer on a tug that supported Project Sea Shadow (IX-529). This kind of aluminum hull kinda tumble home form was exactly the kind of thing they were testing back then. It goes a long way to explaining the Independence hull form and this kind of light weight superstructure.
This does remind me of hearing about one of the great footnotes of the Falkland Islands War, when the British were using polyesther uniforms for troops, which they found out not only were prone to melting in far more conditions than wool, they also tended to result in worse burns.
I've always wondered about using either heat treated steel or cold worked to save weight, both are wildly stronger than untreated material, but both suffer from serious heat vulnerability, which is a big issue in something like a ship, as the material will lose strength with exposure to heat and fail as it no longer meets he engineering requirements. I still think you could use stuff like that on an aircraft more reasonably, and it's strength is already competitive with titanium, the issue for the cold working is the dies, even diamonds stop being hard enough, while for the heat treatment it's hard to get deep heat treatment on thicker sections, which doesn't matter on aircraft at all. I also wonder about ceramics sometimes, aluminum oxide for example is extremely refractory, hard AF and exceedingly heat resistant.
Cool, my first two ships are shown one right after the other, near the beginning (0:52) of the video, the USS Long Beach CGN-9, and the USS Tattnall DDG-19! 😎👍
I served on USS Semmes DDG 18
Another good one! Very informative.
The aluminum used in the super structer is alloyed with magnesium which lowers its ignition point below 1200 degrees farenhightt. I know this because I was a hull technician 2nd class in the US Navy and part of my rate was firefighting. Aluminum won’t burn by it’s self.
Itself.
What do they say, “Aluminum can only bend once”.
My last year in the Navy (1964-1965) I was aboard the USS Atlanta (IX-304). The Navy wanted to know how an aluminum-clad warship would withstand a nuclear attack. It was to be nuclear, but The U.S. signing the nuclear atmospheric test-ban treaty did away with the nuclear atmospheric test, so the tests were done with 100-ton hemispheres of TNT - melted out of WWII bombs and placed on the shore of the Hawaiian uninhabited island of Kahoolawe. We had aluminum deck houses, torpedo tubes, radar antennas, and other aluminun structures, all above the main deck - and we were on the third deck down - and sealed in. During the tests, it was like being in a huge steel barrel that was struck by a big hammer. You could say that we got a bang out of it.
At least we didn't get any exposure to nuclear radiation. The tests were conducted by EG&G.
Sailor: “check out this liquid metal stuff this shady guy gave me, catch!”😳😂😂
@@Feroce Superstructures have been made from aluminum for quite a while now. CGN 41 USS Arkansas had an aluminum superstructure
@@Feroce you don't need to risk it with mercury ( it can cause cancer) use Galium, Much safer, and as i remeber shoud do the job faster. + you can get it without raising any suspision and have your own inexperience as as mask. " Yea i saw some guys playin with it on YT it looked safe" XD
@@Feroce just noticed i replyed to your comment and not the one above :D, sry
@@DrPsych0piroman My thought also. Here's an example of the effect of gallium: ruclips.net/video/IgXNwLoS-Hw/видео.html
Now I want to get ahold of some mercury and a hunk of aluminum and see what happens when I put the two together . Hopefully ,it would do something cool like have weird flames or whatever.
*_". . . while Aluminum doesn't burn . . ."_*
Aluminum, especially _powdered_ Aluminum, burns. The powdered version is often used to enhance explosives, including Thermite Reactions.
Falklands war and french excocet missile. You are spot on
I feel like I accidentally stumbled into a room of smart people on RUclips This is like a blurry video of sasquatch... no one's going to believe me.
@@vikingghost117 There are three things that Bigfoot always knows . . .
● when the Police are coming;
● when there are no High Quality cameras for a radius of 60 miles; and
● where the Smart People "hang out" on RUclips;
Powdered Aluminium burns but so does powdered steel, the pictures of "burnt" aluminium ships are really melted ships and if your ship reaches that temperature it doesn't really matter anyway, its scrap.
Regular solid aluminium wont burn, you can try this yourself or look up a number of videos on youtube, even if you put a blowtorch to it for several minutes all it will do is melt.
Isn't there also _powdered_ steel used in thermite? Also, _most_ powdered materials burn? Unless I'm wrong somehow.
Great video, Truly GREAT! Last Words.
It's important to recognise that survivability of the ship is different than survivability of the crew in the context of the loss of the ship. Aluminium produces incredible toxins that spread incredibly fast in fire that will also spread incredibly fast. Steel allows a crew time to fight and allows time for evacuation in case that fight looks futile. Aluminium gives one no such luxury of time.
It's been said that if a fire is not brought under control within a few minutes, it's time to abandon the ship because it's beyond saving.
You sounds like reformer, but US Army have already conducted tests on prototype M2 Bradley regarding similar issues and found no evidence to support that hypothesis.
Watch Spookston "problem with Pentagon War".
I'd say the Shuttle is precisely NOT a good example. It's killed more astronauts than any other vehicle with two LOVCs. One of them, caused precisely by tile damage. That could've happened yet another time, but by pure sheer luck, the missing tile just happened to be positioned over a structural part that was steel and not aluminum, and so it survived reentry anyway.
Not saying aluminum is a bad material, quite the contrary, it's a fantastic material. It's just a matter of using each when it makes sense to do so. In very large structures subjected to heavy stress, or structures where that might need to survive a lot of heat, steel ends up being better and even lighter, because while it is heavier than aluminum, it's stronger, and it reacts better at higher temps, so you require much less of it.
Titanium-A Battleplate seems a good compromise
Man I served on HSV -2 Swift, was a hell of a ride but was heart breaking to see her destroyed, she was still home for some time during my service, will miss her, and honestly can chill see myself walking through her decks in dreams and memories
Did they ever truly figure out who shot the Swift, or is the answer still "probably Houthis"?
@@Erik_Ice_Fang it was them they recorded the attack
"Aluminum doesn't burn". Yes, it does. It's used in some solid rocket fuels.
And in thermite too
@@SmikeMan True.
I like how everyone is commenting how aluminium burns and bring up thermite as example while totally ignoring that iron oxide is used in the recipe. Iron-ic much?
Technically that's aluminum oxide, and it's not really the fuel, it's the oxidizer, so aluminum doesn't technically burn/undergo combustion.
yeah what machina said you are mistaking the function of the metallic salts, and forgetting that they are metallic salts which have different properties to the pure element, take sodium chloride for example, sodium in its pure form is a highly reactive metal a alkali metal, and chlorine is toxic to humans but combined it is just common house hold salt.
When the Sheffield and Antelope were struck by exocet missiles in the Falklands War, their aluminium structure burned like flares. Roman candles.
It seems they forgot about this!
Sheffield was made from steel, not aluminum. FFS, even this video said that. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Sheffield_(D80)
@@steveo4141 no, the video specifically mentioned Sheffield and that it was not made from aluminum
@@joesephray208 dry don't remember what the names of the ships were ...but the ships that were made from an Aluminum alloy burned fiercely..... stick with steel
And do not forget who supplied the missiles, the French supplied the missiles during the conflict via Brazil so much for our EU allies, stabbing us in the back again nearly 40 years later.
Thanks for all the great info! I am amazed by the amount of research you guys do for a video.
_"... while aluminum doesn't burn ..."_
Uh, yes it does.
Uh, no it doesn't. Powdered aluminium does, but then the powder of just about any metal does.
@@krashd Have you ever seen alu armored carrier after burnout? Apparently no :D
Even steel burn at the right temperature.
@@krashd Add a little rust. You get Thermite.
The fumes from burning aluminum is highly toxic
Maybe they should start making gallium missiles? 🤔
Really well done video!
A well-balanced and informative video. At the end, the question is posed: “Is that enough to save a ship from modern anti-ship missiles during an actual war? Hopefully, we'll never find out”. I'm afraid that we will find out all too soon in the forthcoming invasion of Taiwan, which will be mainly an asymmetric ship-versus-missile war. My guess is that Taiwan will lose, primarily not because its anti-ship missiles will prove ineffective but because it will just run out of them.
Biden will give it away as he will not want to offend anyone, plus he loves China.
@@2000ViperGTSsubscribe 1.he knows he will lose his votes if hes not reacting, therefor if china should be so stuipid he will intervene.
2. China will not invade Taiwan anyway in the near future if you ask me.
@2000ViperGTSsubscribe You just made 2 subjective politically-motivated comments that are both quite ridiculous. Biden pulled us out of Afghanistan partially because he wanted to be able to commit more of our military assets to the Far East in order to protect Taiwan and to ensure freedom of navigation in the South China Sea. Biden and the State Department have also been working to enhance our relationships with our western Pacific allies such as Japan, South Korea, Philippines, and Australia in order to counter the growing military and economic strength of Communist China.
3:25 did I hear that right the Royal Navy tried to defuse a extremely large bomb on a multimillion dollar ship with a smaller bomb.
0:25 Is this supposed to be a clean-room (or semi-clean-room) environment? Are they wearing those coverings to keep hair out of equipment? If not, then what are they for?
Fire protection.
13:38 hey that’s a reference to when a Swedish sub snuck in and took out an American carrier during a war game exercise
You realise Sweden isn’t the only nation to accomplish that during war games.
Sarge Sacker25 it’s the only one I heard so far, other than the veteran taking advantage of a bug in the simulation during an exercise to make the insurgent force win
So no one could persuade Wakanda to give us some vibranium eh?
Greedy Wakandians!
"Someone git thees man a destroyah!"
Aside form scuttling, very few ships are sunk without onboard fires. The ones that come close are usually because of cracks developing from explosive shock and in many cases accentuated by fatigue from previous service in rough seas. Historically, aluminum deck houses have been compromised by destroyers firing their own guns. This problem was "solved" by upgrading the aft gun mount to a helicopter platform.
Or maybe the reason why they keep going back and forth on the usage of Aluminium is because they get pissed when other countries keep making fun of their incorrect pronunciation of Aluminium
Lol. I wondered wtf is aluminum? Is it the same shit as #13?
First incorrect assumption you made is that it is spelled the same way in all English speaking countries where it’s spelled aluminium in the UK and linguistically linked countries and is written aluminum in America. Your second is getting pissed from the intentional spelling and pronunciation differences that the United States created after the revolution to make sure that there was a very clear and distinct difference so we could no longer readily identify as and send the message we are not British subjects and never will be again. Only people who are afraid of something different would think that anyone at all would be angered by that
@@zumadog
Yeah, that's not why it's pronounced 'Aluminum' in North America at all though your blind patriotism is very cute.
Canadians incidentally also have that spelling. Everywhere else, including the rest of Europe in their languages, call it aluminium.
Originally it was aluminium in North America as well as seen in Webster's dictionary of the 1820s and both spellings were common in the USA throughout the 19th century until the 'Um' spelling became more popular at the turn of the century. It wasn't until the 1920s that American scientists formally began calling it Aluminum.
It's unknown whether it was simply a spelling error that became popular or because the 'um' spelling made it sound similar to Platinum, another valuable metal. Certainly has nothing to do with the American rebellion. (I call it that just to trigger you)
Noah Webster did rewrite the English language to wrest it away from the British ruling classes who had similarly rewritten it to give it Greek, Latin and French spelling and separate it from its German roots. Flem or Flemme became Phlegm for example because of this upper-class snobbery. He didn't do it as a snub to all the British, he actually hoped it would become popular in Britain too. It was very much an attempt to give English back to the lower classes who weren't taught Ancient Greek, Latin or French at school; if they went to school at all. He succeeded in North America, despite the efforts of the American upper-classes who thought he was dumbing down the language, but failed to make an impression on Britain. In many ways, US English spelling resembles Middle English before the British upper-classes romanticised it.
@@terrystevens5261 It's far from the only word in the Concise Oxford that has been Americanised over the decades / centuries....get over it....the world isn't going to stop revolving. BOTH are correct.
We just have to remove that third "i".
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Your last few words were not only insightful but hopefully prophetic.
I thought a lot of the issues around aluminium in the Falkands./RN were about crew survivability (i.e. the ability for the crew to survive and get off the ship) rather than ship survivability (i.e. the ability for damage crontolto keep the ship afloat/operational).
Carbon fiber is too expensive compared to steel, that's why Elon went with steel for Starship
It also had to do with the materials' properties at high temperatures, iirc
actually not at all. It is about the thermal properties, which are better for steels than for composites
@@samanthaqiu3416 It IS also cheaper, at least partly (?) because it's not as wasteful
It was actually combination of thermal properties (which is in no way relevant for ships that don't store cryogenic propellants nor have to survive reentry heat from interplanetary speeds) and also a possibility to iterate fast because once a mold or a loom for composite part is made, it's very hard and expensive to change the design.
5:07 No, it can't. Brittle IMCs would form. Aluminium is either bolded or riveted to steel. But the stuff about corrosion and thermally induced cracking is correct.
I miss the good ol’ days when we still had Class A armor lol
indeed and now a guy in a inflatable speed boat with a rocket launcher can take out an ally warship.
I wish I had your accent so I could make a stereotypical video about something I have no clue about
I feel like comparing spaceships to sea ships is an apples to oranges comparison. They have vastly different roles and physical environments to handle.
"While Aluminum doesn't burn" Yah, right. Explain where all the Aluminum in an airliner goes in a crash. If an element can oxidize it can burn.
Steel combines with oxygen to create rust. By your logic: Steel Oxidizes, Therefore, Steel Burns.
@@zacharytracy3797 get it hot enough and it will.
@@zacharytracy3797 it's all about surface area exposed to the oxidizer, in this case air. One of the easiest ways to start a fire, is with steel wool:
ruclips.net/video/5MDH92VxPEQ/видео.html
So, yeah. Steel burns.
right, like steel mpetersen6
@@theancienteternaloaktree That's because metal powders burn, but the metal themselves do not. Aluminium doesn't burn, mpetersen6 could simply have Googled that instead of demonstrating his ignorance in front of people but he probably doesn't have internet access. /s
“Precise craftsmanship” based off the current “precise craftsmanship” used in US cars, these wont last too long.
nah its entirely different methods and people making these. but chevy does manage to make some reliable vehicles, their small block V8 is legendary for what can be done to it
@@bradhaines3142 True but that was back in the day when Chevy was also still made in USA.