Q&A general election special | The News Agents
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- Опубликовано: 20 июн 2024
- Emily, Jon and Lewis answer your General Election questions
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As long as Starmer doesn't leave the Euro Finals early to do an ITV interview ...
LOL - not likely, since the election is over, but nice
Hah, you think you're reaching the finals, Reform will sweep you right up....
@@Midland_Wolf_71 yes with an amazing 2 Mp s out of 650 …. So impressive
@@Gary-le7dz Reform will insist they have the moral victory whatever happens. As long as they don't have the numbers I can live with it.
Hi - I have voted in Irish general elections, and it is so liberating to vote in order of preference 1, 2, 3 etc. There are usually 2 or 3 candidates per party standing in each constituency and it is just nice to know your vote is not being wasted. Ireland has multi seat constituencies with 3, 4 or 5 seats depending on population. Yes, vote counting is very slow, but I prefer it. Wish we had it here in the UK.
That interests me (in Canada). Alaska is trying something similar, effectively a bracket system, and I haven't heard any complaints.
For something that happens only every five years, it's absurd that anyone would think we have to have instantaneous results. What is especially worth admiring about Ireland's STV system - now over a hundred years old, btw - is that there's the maximum squeeze out of every vote. Best of all is to see the smarmy types that can top the 1st preferences, only to lose out as it is revealed more voters loathe them than love them. That strikes me as a very representative system.
We have preferential voting in Australia. It ensures that someone with, for example, 35% who the rest of the electorate don’t want will not be elected. The Conservatives would not have won so many elections if the progressive side of politics had more of a say. Tactical voting is a symptom of this problem.
NZ has had MMP aka AMS for decades now. It’s easy for people to use, and voters can choose the candidate they actually prefer while still voting for the party of their choice. It’s proportional representation but it doesn’t encourage proliferation of parties due to a 5% threshold.
STV is the system the Lib Dems want to introduce in the UK.
Love the newsagent podcast. Keep it up 👍
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I’m amazed that Emily said she can’t see why people want to go into politics. It’s for the power and more importantly the money. How many poor MPs are there, none.
Most of them aren't poor anyway
Nadia Whittome
The idea that the likes of Sunak and Hunt go into politics for money is fanciful. Multimillionaires don't need a £90k salary. They do it for the power and influence.
My local Tory MP has publicly declared 10 other jobs paying c.£5kpcm for a few days work. Even if he works weekends it leaves him with basically no time to be an MP. Sounds totally legit
Because of the system of selecting MP's you need money behind you. So if you don't have it yourself you need a backer, which often is the unions for Labour.
Tactical voting for me! Not aligned to any party. Tory safe seat and has been for years. Hoping Reform splits the Tory vote. Rural area but with poverty in the towns. No services, yet locals complain but don’t see that it’s how they vote! Local authority also blue (just!).
I LOVE THIS SHOW… even from the south of France…
I don't remember Farage complaining about First Past the Post in the 2019 "Get Brexit Done Election" when more than half the electorate voted for parties promising a second referendum and yet we crashed out of the EU anyway
@Millie.com2322019 was a GE not the Brexit referendum, Duh !!
@Millie.com232 Duh! Under PR we would have had a parliament in 2019 representing the desire of the majority to put the withdrawal agreement to a second vote.
There's an assumption there though that the more than half you mention all voted the way they did purely because of vrexit. That's a big assumption.
The question on a change of opposition mid parliament is interesting. I read the question as being more along the lines of... Let's say the tories win around 70 seats. If the new tory leader, let's say Kemi Badenoch for example, decides to do a deal with Reform and created The Conservative and Reform Party, and then the remaining One Nation tories say 'no, we won't countenance this! We're splitting to form a new party', let's call it the One Nation Party for the sake of this hypothetical.
You could have the new Tories on around 50 seats, and then 20 in the new One Nation party. The Lib Dems on 60 seats might then become the official opposition.
There's a lot of IFs in that scenario.
Alternatively, suppose a Labour "supermajority" led to splits within the party (as Emily and John were discussing recently) leading to defections from Labour to LibDem, causing Libdem numbers overtaking those of the Tories (possibly aided by Tory defections to Reform).
Yes, they completely misunderstood the question.
Haha... Imagine Labour being split and forming a breakaway far left faction of 70+ MPs who suddenly find themselves the official opposition. Farage would do his nut
“Can you remember anything important that Sunak or Starmer have done?” How about taking on MacDonalds and the London Met, when he was a lawyer? He did those pro-bono and won. Sunak has no record in politics.
He was also all up for extraditing Gary McKinnon and Theresa May stepped in as Home Ec to block it. He's a careerist with a very dubious moral compass, if any.
If the Tories had a majority of 200 in 2019 nobody in the establishment would even be talking about PR. But now the Tories and everyone on the right will spend the next 5 years campaigning for it.
Unless it really is the end of the tory party then they won't. They've benefitted more from FPTP than anyone.
There is a political message with Ed Davey's stunts, it's just that the media just shows the stunts.
The ONLY choice UK voters get to make is to decide which party they loathe the most, for most people this will be the Tories, and to vote for whichever party is most likely to unseat them in their local constituency. The alternative is a protest vote. It would be nice, just once, to have a party to vote FOR.
I would love to see Emily as prime minister. No offence to Lewis and Jon, but Emily’s just got that killer instinct! Maitliss for PM!
Cowed masses around the Cabinet table, with no-one except the lingering shade of Paxman daring to speak up.
Would love it - PMQs with a few F-bombs thrown in. In an alternative universe, Emily as PM, and Trump appoints MTG as Secretary of State. I'd love to be a fly on the wall with those two having off-the-record discussions.
Prince Andrew would be sweating if that happened!
Oh wait he can’t sweat…
Hopefully when Farage takes his seat he will get as much opportunity to speak (ignored as much) as Caroline Lucas was,
She got / gets waaayyy more than 1 650th of the airtime / attention
The rest of the UK would be depressed beyond tablets if England won the Euros.
That would be 16% of the UK population, many of whom are permanently moaning about the union and England anyway. Hardly matters.
Which just reinforced my point. Anyone but England.
@@mandalorion ok
Why so many beeps? I'd much prefer to hear the occasional heartfelt profanity... Maybe being Irish I'm less easy to offend 🤷♂
You know the worst thing you can start a programme with is a question that has as a subject ‘England winning a football game’
That had me reaching for the off switch.
22:30 I think they were missing the point of this question. The question was asking,. what would happen if the Tories were the second largest party and became the official opposition, but then broke into two (with one half merging with Reform) and the other becoming more centrist. They may then no longer be the second largest party. Could another party (e.g. Lib Dems) become the official opposition during the parliament?
Here's hoping. Right away we get to break away from the Punch & Judy of PMQs which will suit me fine.
The answer in that case is clearly yes. The Leader of the Opposition is defined in law as "that Member of that House who is for the time being the Leader in that House of the party in opposition to [Her] Majesty’s Government having the greatest numerical strength in the House of Commons". (Section 2(1) of the Ministerial and other Salaries Act, 1975).
That "for the time being" means it could change whenever needed.
Section 2(2) outlines that if there is any doubt as to who the LotO is, the Speaker decides.
There are some logical reasons why the NI parties aren’t included in the debates and discussion, but the overriding one is that the rest of the UK doesn’t care. Most of the brexit voting population were stumped at the idea that Northern Ireland was in the Uk after the vote.
Have you considered that the Conservative Party might break into two parts. One part becomes unified around a Reform core, while another tries to establish a One Nation Conservative position. It the two separate, the Lib Dems might be the largest opposition party.
I think they did refer to that briefly.
Reminder: Scotland fans, in Germany or back home, will NOT be rallying behind Farage, even if we win Euro 24 (still possible at time of writing).
I fail to see how Labour is going to be able to fulfil its growth agenda without fundamentally altering Britain’s relationship with EU, potentially to the extent of rejoining the single market.
Politicians of all parties employ smoke and mirrors. Like you, I can’t see how we can increase wealth without removing the barriers to trade that Brexit caused.
They wouldn't need to go as far as single market to achieve this. Greater alignment is a great start. That can come later. It's important to remember on brexit that it isn't about what's logically the best thing to do (hence why we left) it's about what the electorate's perception is. Ultimate aim will be to rejoin the EU but that won't even be our decision to make, it will be for the EU to decide to let us back in.
As much as Corbyn is ridiculed there were loads of the Labour leadership rallys which attracted loads of people during the 2017 & '19 GE campaigns.
Why were these so well attended, even in 2019?
There's a sizeable minority of people who truly believe(d) in Corbyn's brand of progressive politics, but simply not enough to turn an election - especially in the vital bellwether constituencies. GE2017 was his ceiling. I say this, unfortunately, as a social democrat.
Main reason he lost is that the public are a bit thick (Brexit eg) so they swallowed the right wing press' view that he was a communist and an anti-Semite
@@peterprice6035Exactly correct, and a simple fact that eludes many on the hard left.
Is this a serious question ?
How did those all those rally’s go?
@Millie.com232 Which of course does not make them wrong, only unable to win a majority vote.
Everyone should vote tactically, obviously, under First Past The Post. In 99% of constituencies there is a choice between 2 parties so that’s your choice. Waste your vote on someone else if you want, that’s what the Conservatives want, but it’s not meant to be how you do it.
35:00 but the news agents specifically tried to pin labour down on other taxes so it's a bit rich to suddenly take this reasonable approach to other taxes. The fact is, to deliver their manifesto they don't think they will need to increase the taxes they're stating. To deliver above and beyond that (eg getting rid of 2 child benefit cap) they will likely raise other taxes eg capital gains tax, which hardly anyone pays.
Another excellent podcast. Many thanks 👍🏻
Regarding Emily in Vienna’s question about voting with your heart and not tactical, I don’t have a clue what to do in my constituency.
Living in a South West Tory held seat, with Lib Dem and Labour both getting pretty much the same amount in last election and tactical voting websites all saying to close to call.
Both Labour and Lib dems are claiming they are the only ones that can beat the Tories!
I don’t really care who to vote for I just want to make the correct one, that’s the problem with FPTP.
I can unfortunately see tories getting in with 30% in some seats like mine as me and others I know in area don't know what to do for the best.
If in doubt go Lib Dem; Labour are predicted to get a big majority without these marginal seats so it comes down to who is the opposition!
If you go for Labour there is a chance the Tories (or Reform) could come second, if you go Lib dems it gives them more chance to be the opposition and pull Labour away from the Tory/reform policies.
The last time Labour swept to power, the UK won Eurovision within 48 hours. Maybe this is an omen for one of the home nations 😂
In relation to Ireland, the emerging expectation is that the General Election will be in autumn 2024 rather than spring 2025. Of course the Government won't want that narrative to drive what happens but it seems unlikely at this stage that they will run on into 2025. As regards Sinn Féin, they did badly in recent local elections and also poorly in the European Parliament one and are no longer seen as a cert when it comes to the next Government being formed.
... thank you for that, sir. My very same reaction. I was recently in Ireland ... for a funeral, of course, and there was little of the Sinn fein buzz I have witnessed previously. Mr. Harris's recent 'not in our name' comments rang through as well.
Great team!
I don't know how you missed the point on the opposition question. It was if the Conservatives split during the Parliament and neither part was bigger than the lib dems would the lib dems become the opposition and how would that work mid parliament.
"Is Alan Sugar a working person, is Piers Morgan a working person?" - I kind of can't believe people are treating this as a question. They've said they're not putting up NI, Income tax or VAT. Most people who are paid most of their money as wages, pay most of their tax through these taxes. Those are working people. People who get most of their money from something other than wages, they haven't promised to put taxes on those things up, and they might.
I love this podcast and the "cast" of characters. Im looking on from Ireland (Europe) and 😢 find it in my heart to give a toss one way or another. Its great theatre considering the current PM cant buy trousers that fit him not to mention his luck or kack thereof. The tories deserve to lose in every ballot considering it was they who put the bumbling mop head in charge of a modern government. Of course lets not forget liz truss and her trussenomics and Teeresa with the warbling voice who could not get anything through parliment and yes Sunni inviting the Lord Cameron to be foreign secretary. A man who felt he didnt have to canvass for a no vote in the brexit race until it was too late. Its been fantastic enjoyment looking in since 2015 and viewing the carnadge of a once proud democracy now run for billionaires where influnce is available - just name the figure. What History. What farce.
What schadenfreude
One of the panel said ‘you always get coalitions with PR’, that is NOT TRUE. A recent NZ election delivered a victory to the Labour Party enabling them to govern alone they chose to have an arrangement with the Greens. The system we use is MMP also referred to as AMS.
You don't even need to look outside of the UK to know this is true. Both Scotland and Wales use AMS for their devolved Parliaments and currently have single-party Minority Governments. Scotland has, in the not-too-distant past, had a Majority Government.
But that is the true reflection of the voters. I don’t get why 40% plus can get you a massive majority. At least your vote counts with PR. If you live in a safe seat and don’t support that party it doesn’t feel like democracy.
Not as though FPTP has given great governments! big majority who ever it is, isn’t great for democracy in my opinion.
China making a move on Taiwan would be worst nightmare for starmer and to be fair all of us 😯
or then again people might think its a done deal already and not vote. And the Tories survive relatively unscathe
You forget that Prescott's punch was exactly because he was egged first and didnt know what had happened to him but wanted to get one back if it was bad!
What about a Scotland wind?!
More chance of Soon-Axed getting in.
Scotland winds usually come together with rain.
Important to remember that England isn't the UK.
4:43 ppl are responsible for their own actions. But there has always been a fine line between words and them translating into sticks and stones.
If doubt arises over who is the Leader of the Opposition, the Speaker decides and his determination is conclusive.
Euros? Scotland are still in it as well but it is all about England. Typical
Scotland do not have a chance to win it.
Just like the T20 world cup. Just there to make up the numbers.
Not for long methinks.
@@stephfoxwell4620 That is not the point. England have virtually no chance either - especially if they keep playing the way they did against Denmark. My point is that the programme just played to its English audience and ignored Scotland.
@@juliewake4585 True (probably) but if they beat Hungary then they are likely through to the KO stage. England did not look too sharp against Denmark and they are unlikely to beat Germany, France, Spain or even Belgium.
Was this filmed a while ago?! England don’t look like they could win a raffle at the minute!
FYI -- if it is a dead heat after a recount, then it goes to a game of chance. Traditionally, a coin is tossed.
You’re slightly wrong about Leeds - there’s parts of it which are very Tory (I live in a part of it where the Tory MP has a 17k+ majority)
Tactical Voting. Interesting there is a debate surrounding voters tactical voting, but as mentioned (DUP-Theresa May) MP’s do this all the time. And a seem to remember with the May administration, that included a large cash incentive…
On the other hand, if we're doing well in the Euros at the start of July, maybe it gives Sunak a massive poll bounce? (Nah.)
2 late with your welcome remarks,Scotland,Wales, Northern Ireland have switched off
As did my TV region
Surely the most likely, and I'm not saying its very likely, situation where the official opposition changes would be if the Tories had only a few more seats than the Liberal Democrats, and then they elected a right wing headbanger and a few one nation Tories defected.
Your audio levels are up and down like yoyos, on this one. Very difficult to listen to at 3am when trying to catch all the quiet bits, but also not to wake the neighbours when everything suddenly gets louder!
Has Jon managed to take his tongue out of Iain Duncan Smith's back passage yet???
you never mention "spoil your ballot paper" as an option for voters. why not?
NZ changed from FPP elections to the MMP (Mixed Member Proportional) version of PR - we get two votes one for the party and one for the electorate candidate. Parliament comprises 80 electorate seats and 40 for party list seats. Thus the electorate gets the candidate of its choice and the government needs majority support. This has tended to two party coalition governments as splinter parties who do not get any electorate seats must get 5% of the party vote to participate.
But New Zealand is very badly run.
@@stephfoxwell4620 Indeed. After all we have to put up with being the country that is least corrupt, easiest to do business, happy population, low debt to GDP ratio, least deaths per population during COVID, and not a nuclear target. That's why we get so many skilled immigrants 😂
What about a pie in the face?
Lemon meringue, please. Will there be seconds? I'm quite hungry.
Maximising election fatigue with you guys
I'll vote Labour at this point just to make you change subject
Surely one answer is that the Labour Party splits and you have the more progressive wing becoming the opposition?
England winning a trophy.
More likely Rishy stays in no 10 !
what majority will sunak get?
They never answered the general question on where do people go to find out the polling data linked to tactical voting. Very poor journalism, not fully answering the question. I think I heard Carol Vorderman has a website!?
FPTP is absolutely unfair. and dictatorship gives you strong government
Archetypal London bubble Media types who have absolutely no idea of just how out of touch they are!😂😂😂
Why do we have to ‘look again’ at first past the post if Labour get a big majority?. No one was calling for this post 83 when Thatcher got a 140+ majority or again in 87 when it was 100+. We had an alternative vote referendum in 2011 and nearly 68% (take that Brexit referendum) voted to keep first past the post. It seems as with everything Tory we like it when it works for us but the moment we get absolutely battered it’s not fair and need changing.
So true and as someone recently said ‘FPTP is great until your numbers drop low enough’. Tories on 21% is 150 seats, Tories on 19% 50 if they’re lucky. That’s the reality of a thinly spread vote with FPTP
Firstly, AV was not a proper proportional voting system - it is convoluted and confusing (who on earth wants to rank candidates?!). And secondly the only other European country that uses FPTP is Belarus, not exactly great company to be in! The Tories have never supported PR but if this is finally the election that makes them consider it, even if it is purely self serving, then that's better than keeping our current terrible voting system.
Labour do need to look at FPTP even with a huge majority. History has told us labour may get in for 10 years and build infrastructure but it's inevitable the tories will get back in for a longer period and destroy it all again. This cycle has to end.
@@PaulStargasm couldn’t agree more 👌
But it does prove that FPTP isn’t great😂 not a fan of any government having a big majority. I want everyone’s vote to count! Then we all have a say in our democracy.
Have you watched England play this Euros? It seems not that you are even talking about them winning.
I know this is not important and not the point and Lewis has my undying respect but I do need to know, is his hair real?
As his hairline is _slightly_ receding, i'd go with yes.
Your audio is all over the place on this.
Place your bets place your bets place your bets the tori’s are toast
Why would I want to become a Tory? 3 of them are under investigation for betting on the election already, no way I am joining them.
Why would I want to join the Tories? They are the only ones betting on this election, 3 of them are even being talked to by the police for it.
England winning the Euro's ? is that an old Les Dawson joke....
Should the Tories change the name to the Toties?
Toadies?
It’s the ultimate in biased narcissism to describe yourselves as news agents & not opinion agents and then have 3 people who all agree politically + are paid by the broadcaster, talk with each other for 40 mins
Re: Question 1) - It ain't gonna happen.
Dont throw things at people. Instead mentality be able to cooe with others having a different opinion to you.
Just cooe, yes. Thats why Pigeons are so respected for their mentality.
I really don't like the way that PR has become the only alternative. I voted for AV, and believe in electoral reform, but I really don't think we can underestimate the value in the voting link between a physical/geographic constituency and MP election/campaigning. And also for Parliament to be able to function with majorities, necessitating parties that have a broad policy in the round for the electorate, rather than horse-trading policies between parties after the vote has happened in making government. And most of all allowing for clear allocation of accountability for governance instead of diffusing blame across coalitions, esp. when there is gridlock. If we are discussing electoral reform we should also be discussing Ranked Choice/AV (and STV). Also other elements of reform like genuine political/geographic/taxing devolution. Proportional representation isn't the be-all of democracy. (also the constituency link has been found to be a key factor in mitigating (of course not totally) national lobbyist grooming)
Stop saying Farage like dressage.....its faridge said like garage 😂😂😂
It's Facade like .. facade.
I think Emily is wrong here. FPTP is fundamentally flawed and intrinsically ‘unfair’. Yes, it certainly has some strengths which she outlined, and also the downside of fringe, often dangerous, parties of both the far left and right getting seats, but in the scenario of Labour, potentially securing 75% off the seats with perhaps just 37-38% of the popular vote, it cannot be described as fair or even truly democratic.
So Jeremy Corbyn being punched by someone with an egg in their hand was ok.
Odd how times change.
England is not the uk guys, tone it down on the football stuff
Well it's you journalists that make politicians much worse than they could be. Yes, pursue the bad and corrupt, but you lot pursue the well-intentioned for a headline. What passes for journalism in the UK is a disgrace and you all are complicit in that. And you know it.. Any of you want to try to rebut that?
First past the post is inherently undemocratic. It isn't just another voting system, Emily! A one party state, one candidate election, is also "just another system."
The only thing that can be "thrown" is your well formed argument. NOTHING else at all, however you feel about them.
Yeah, you people love doing NOTHING don't you? Then you judge others.
@@baloodarling486 look, those who are standing are HUMAN BEINGS, someone's son, daughter, husband, wife etc with all the human feelings and emotions that we all have, and by virtue of their humanity they are worthy of respect. If you disagree and can't make a well formed argument to "throw back" and feel its OK to throw things at these people, then you probably shouldn't be going out!
Starmer: Accused = Guilty
(PMQs 19/04/23, 3 mins 15 secs)
whenever i want a north London socialist perspective i always find it here.
We are all very pleased you are not disappointed.
if you still love our country VOTE REFORM its not too late to save her nobody else will do it for us.
If you love our country, then you certainly WON’T vote Reform. The idea that they are the party of patriotism is absolute nonsense. Populism is not the same as Patriotism.
This is terribly boring
I love this show, but . . . Please just watch cross chatter? I always fast forward when you’re all chattering at once.
Conservative voters need to wake up and realise that it's no longer a conservative party. It's just Labour with a different name. Vote Reform
And Reform is the BUF by another name
@@briandelaney9710 Yeah I think I saw Nigel was voted buff and s-xy the other day! 🤣
@@briandelaney9710 🤣Yeah I saw Nigel was voted buff and 's-xy' the other day 🤣
@@briandelaney9710 Yeah I saw Nigel win a buff and s..xy award the other day 🤣
vote reform get nazis
IMHO you guys come over very very SMUG, Look at your body language.