A Bad Idea? Sending Special Operators to Fight Cartels
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CIA and the Cartel are a couple, in my personal opinion.
If they don't write a game plan for that other C player, they gonna lose big time.
Sinalona Cartel : Make TEQUILA Great Again 🥃
And DEA , US must do their own home work and stop being hipócritas and stop pretending that there are the only victims.
How so?
Cartel In Area 🫡
When I became an Army Ranger in 1989, most of the training missions we did had drug labs in them. We were getting ready to go down to Columbia because cocaine was everywhere in The US at that time. Then Sadaam invaded Kuwait and that shifted the focus. Its not like we havnt thought about this before. Now that I am older, this problem of drugs in our culture does not have a military solution. Why do so many people choose to mess their lives on drugs? I also retired from the Dept of Corrections in California and I can tell you for sure that the Mexican Mafia has its fingers in everything in this state. They operate quietly under the radar for the most part but they are there.
Common sense has entered the chat. 😮
Right, they get rid of drugs and Mexico will fail as a country, as that country is very poor in many areas. Plus what President would allow the US military to operate within their country, with impunity haha? Americans think normal Mexicans won't fight back once their Cartel family members start getting killed? Plus many parts of Mexico is the forest or hill country, you don't think Mexicans know that area like the back of their hands? Americans love drugs, that's very clear, the War on Drugs is, and always has been, a waste of money.
So what would be a solution in your opinion?
As long as Americans enjoy their drugs, the war on drugs will be a losing battle. Cartels are like corporations giving people exactly what they want just in a more extreme methodology.
@@LZ69P pretty much...but a war on drugs will make people feel tough.
Question: Why would we bother going into Mexico to smash targets when the Cartels have their tentacles in EVERY major city in the United States? Shouldn't we probably crack down hardcore on the drug trade on this side of the border before going to Mexico and stirring shut up over there?
I definitely agree with you and shut the border completely and all Avenue of escape .
When you hunt octopus, do you go after the suction cups on the tentacles first?
Bring it on BCHES😂😂😂
They're all over the rural areas too. You just don't hear about it because there's no gangs pushing back on them out in the sticks.
@@joshuahagen2961Yep. Many make money off if them and many citizens are afraid of being prosecuted so they let it go. Put a bounty regardless of the condition on the members. Local areas would do some house cleaning.
My sister, with two children, died alone in her car from a fentanyl overdose. She wasn't a drug addict, she was a young women who lived her life with chronic pain from lupus. Her colleague gave her a pill she thought was a pain killer after work. I wore the uniform more than 40 years ago when I was a young paratrooper. Send me -
Sinaloan Y Jalisco Cartel : Ayy Gringos, Hold our TEQUILAs 🥃
Exactly.
Accepting random pain killers makes you a drug addict
Sounds like you should go after the people who go killed your sister by giving her pills. Not go across the boarder to go die for some thing that won’t even make a difference of the complexity of the drugs. There’s corruption on both sides not only on the Mexican side but also on the American side. They both get profit from it this buisness. Follow the money.
🤔 so the colleague who takes those pills hasn't died from that fentanyl but yet the sister takes one......... Is the colleague a fentanyl dealer?
CIA and the Cartels are brothers and you can take that to the bank.
The Sheriff of Baghdad brought up a shocking point in all this. He stated that he thought the element of surprise would be gone, since it’s his belief that officials are compromised not only in Mexico but the US as well !! That’s insane. He made this point on Rogan.
Exactly the country doesn't become nation of junkies overnight by mistake
Rogan and SOB...2 big thinkers. Ludicrous that the element of surprise is gone. H hour D day? Ever hear of it big brain? We absolutely have the means to pursue the cartel within our borders and simultaneously outside our borders. Grow a pair and get on board or STFU and step aside. We finally have a leader willing to eradicate the vermin and you're gonna go to joe Rogan (LoL) and his mostly high guest panel. Yep you should probably step aside and keep watching bro-tainment and circle jerks.
Yeah, this is what I find ao wrong with Trump and his non stop ridiculous brain dead chatter. And then he repeats as if it wasn't bad enough the first time. He just got Putin furious at him because of this non-brain chatter he feels he must engage in - shut the hell up Trump. You are great if you cN GET IT DONE, BUT TELLING EVERYONE WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO AND WHEN ISN'T VERY SMART.
I saw that. It should be a quiet mission. I love S.O.B (shrek). He is legit.
It's a complete network aided and abetted by the entire Democratic party and many corrupt businesses on our soil. We absolutely have to take care of what's happening on our soil, arguably first. Fortunately Trump and many in the GOP, like Clay Higgins from Louisiana, know their entire network, banks included. And behind it all is China.
Before resorting to military action in Mexico, maybe start dealing with the lawmakers on our side of the border who are responsible for the immigration crisis.
This ^ is the most logical and reasoned post in the comments
We deal with law makers by having elections. It’s up to the politicians who win elections to stop campaigning and start governing.
@@terrarecon😂
Well, a lot of them are already dead since the border hasn’t been secured in over 40 years. It’s not a recent issue.
Well, a lot of them are already dead since the border hasn’t been secured in over 40 years. It’s not a recent issue.
Don’t forget the Mexican people will defends it sovereignty if it’s breached. Despite cartels or not. Mexicans see this as an act of war to breach its sovereignty.
WOW YOU ARE BRILLIANT!!!
100%
Mexico is nothing but a cartel country. Sadly, so is the U.S. The deep state has been an issue long before the cartels came to power and facilitated their rise. Greed ruins the world and only God is going to fix it as it has been written. Stick with Jesus everyone because our time is short. God bless
That's laughable.
Many will be glad the cartels are gone.
Mexico fight the US?? 😂
😅 too late for that they've been doing this that way for years
Keep in mind; if they designate the cartel as a terrorist organization, the asylum claims would be valid. The refugees would be fleeing by definition, which is why they did not designate them for a long time.
Geopolitical is an understatement. China knows what they are doing. But so does the US, which could be the reason why they let people enter illegally. Because after they are deported they will not be able to gain re entry. 4D 5D chess so to speak.
Except that very few migrants are coming from Mexico anymore…
@@michaelkelly4094 Where did you get that from? MSNBC?
Mass deportation, finish the wall, occupy the wall, than designate accordingly.
@@michaelkelly4094 lol
Why don’t they fight the cartel here in the USA??
Because the government is involved blue and red people at the top, messiah or no messiah. Is all about the $$ for the top people. It is not to give the normal taxpayer a better life. As of 2023 21.9% of the population from age 12 and over use illicit drugs, that is basically 1 out of 5 people you see every day.
They want they given illusion
The USA is a cartel.. lol. There is business being done. wake up.
Why not stop both, here and there
There are many American tourists and ex-Pats living in Mexico. These people represent a soft target for Cartels who would use them as hostages. Thus far, these tourists have been off limits.
Oh well, they are taking that risk by being there.
That is true, but could you imagine the response to that. Cartel is known to kill hostages. Lemme tell you, a-10s are no joke…
Why do you want the cartels to dictate terms?
They need to come home or move elsewhere. If they leave the country they don’t have a say in this.
What's your point?
Don’t start a war without having regard for ‘The Law Of Unintended Consequences’. It’ll spiral off in ways we haven’t anticipated.
@@erickapler4707calm down tony soprano. That's not what he is saying. He is saying: think before you act. Also keep in mind that as of 2023 Mexico is our (the US) #1 trading partner. Just to keep that in perspective, in terms of trade, our future president wants to start a trade war with China (another top 5 trading partner with the US) while waging war with the cartels on the border of and inside of our largest, most signficant, trading partner. And while all of this is happening Trump wants to deport the entire unskilled labor pool inside the US. If you didnt like the price increases you felt due to inflation post covid you are in for a very rude awkening.
My concern would be that a large enough percent of the population is on lets say the fringes of all the cartels that once you start this, are you fighting 1/3 of the entire population of Mexico? Another endless war?
Restoring my faith in the comment section.
That's called, "chaos", and it is ENTIRELY anticipated. You need to go and read something more salient: It's called Animal Farm and 1984.
@@tedfernyhough3759 Americans dont learn lessons lol sad but true.
Very bad idea, there would be no cartels or immigrants coming here illegally if Americans weren’t buying drugs
Hey bro, stop talking that personal responsibility stuff.
Bingo
@ not very popular for sure but you can’t blame poor people for trying to make money from the bad ways of others
you are 100% correct
Bingo!!! They'll only create a vacuum for a bigger drug war for the next competitor. So long as there is demand there will be someone to supply
Clear and Present Danger + Sicario
The corruption is on both sides of the border. Our own politicians and NGOs benefit from the “trades” (not exclusive to the drugs, fentanyl included). The first question that has to be cleared and without exclusion or doubt: does the US have the will (political, military, and social) to effect such a policy and actions (war). Next is does the US have the will to execute the ROEs necessary to effect and win the decisions. I’ve always felt the result of diplomatic and political failure is war. However, as we have learned in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan when the “dogs of war” are sent with unrealistic restrictions (leashes), failure follows, no matter how much technology is integrated. The only acceptable result of any war is unconditional surrender, or is simpler terms victory. Otherwise the cost far exceeds the effort regardless of justification. While the rules of war (or international laws) are often cited as how to conduct war; they are useless, as we have proven in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Marshall, Halsey, Mitchell, Spatz, Eisenhower, LeMay knew what they were doing, maybe we should relearn what they knew.
Saying the things too many refuse to say-especially in office. Thank you for a solid summary of the reality!
Well said.
You do realize North Vietnam casualty, was 1.1 million right , and we took Iraq over in a week .I can go on, you really don’t know what you’re talking about. But I will agree on one thing. The reason why we pulled out of those wars is because of politics we did it in Vietnam and Afghanistan etc. and that’s because the way our government works. We have a new leader every four years. So that’s different politics every four years and different ways of thinking , on if we should stay in this war or not. For instance, we weren’t losing in Vietnam and we weren’t losing in Iraq or Afghanistan, but because of politics we withdrew .
Old saying clean up your own house first
Not when your neighbor keeps throwing trash through the window.
@thevillageyid build a wall ...higher lol 🍻
@@thevillageyidbest defense is the best offense
@@thevillageyidgood response but all the cartels have to do is up fentanyl in its coke and we bend the knee
@@thevillageyidyour peoples wrappers mostly 😅😅😅😅😅😅. No need to throw trash when they live there already 😮😮😮😮😮
"Top-Down", coupled with "Bottom-up" works phenomenally, in just about any winning strategy. Not only does it work in warfare, historically, but it works in business too. Utilizing full-scale, conventional AND unconventional warfare, coupled with military intelligence and SecOps and Marines, with Army support and the other branches, is extremely devastating. It worked in just 3 weeks vs. ISIS at its strongest, which were 100s of thousands strong and funded by billions. THAT was overseas. Just do it like we do in high-level, massive dollar sales: "Suround and Pound", or "Swarm". You go after the top, while simultaneously going after the leaders at all levels; especially the leaders most particular to the infrastructure and logistics. Glover is talking about the failures seen in the old Afghan and Iraq wars. I get it, but those were also led by corrupt admins and their money-grubbing, bureaucracies. Again, Trump proved against ISIS, that without gov't nonsense in the way, the modern US Military, when not impeded by bureaucracy and corruption, is the deadliest and most swift and devastating force ever seen by mankind in world history. Is there a threat here, stateside? Sure. However, it should also be very much understood by Glover that if coordinated well with LOE and states and communities stateside, the backlash here would be heavily mitigated. One last factor that Glover should also realize, is that America is armed with more than 400 million+ firearms, by nearly 100 million citizens. That is HALF of the privately owned firearms in the world, by a nation that only accounts for 5% of the world's population! I know it was over 80 years ago, but Admiral Yamamoto of Japan cautioned strongly against attacking the US mainland during WW2, for the very same reason. It couldn't be more true today, however.
It's a completely different playing field. ISIS controlled regions that were already destabilized. It also helped that Israel was the one funding it so it was easy to get rid of them. Getting rid of cartels will not be the same. Using the same kinetic force would result in tens of thousands of innocent civilians dying which would get, not just the Mexican government involved, but the citizenry. You think it'll work because Mexicans are not your people. Why don't you promote that same "solution" to the US given that the demand not only originates here, but so does the funding, weapons, and headquarters (yes, US politicians and agencies are involved)?
Cartels have leverage on people in every level of the American system. They would be tipped off or just start a war that we would lose in the long run..
How do you know this? Are you making a statement that you know is based on facts? Has the cartel listed for you all the people they have in their pocket? What a silly statement to make
Its basic capitalism. People want drugs and the profits are astronomical. The Drug War doesnt stop drugs, it feeds cartels just like Prohibition fed the Mob. Cartels will just become the next proxy between USA and maybe Canada or UK on one side and Russia and China on the other. Except in this war we're facing an enemy that already has millions of soldiers and many millions of customers aka agents inside our borders.
@@mogged1181 we know Hunter Biden does drugs. Pretty undeniable that Mat Gaetz does drugs. Theres journalism on SF and SO soldiers who do drugs. Construction workers, lawyers, truck drivers, suburbanites and trailer parkers, CEOs, on and on. The first part of the comment is just an objective fact: drug use exists at every level of our society. As for the war being unwinnable, we've been fighting _and losing_ the Drug war for decades, already. One of the biggest current cartels is the CJNG. If you look into them, not only have they expanded into a variety of other economic domains (like food production) but they were trained by Army Special Forces, including Delta, apparently. So we'd be fighting an incredibly well funded and well trained enemy who already has millions of soldiers and many millions of potential assets (users and their immediate families) scattered around every level of our economic, political, and civil infrastructure.
@@mogged1181 we know Hunter does drugs. Its pretty undeniable Mat Gaetz does. Theres journalism on use in SO and SF communities. Truck drivers, construction workers, lawyers, the entertainment industry is an obvious one. From trailer parks to the suburbs to Ivy League universities, its just an objective fact that use has permeated every level of our economic, political, civil and intellectual domains.
As for winning or losing, we've been fighting _and losing_ the Drug War for decades, already. The latest big player (enemy) just in terms of Mexican cartels was trained by Delta and has expanded its enterprise into numerous other domains, like food production and even real estate. So we would be facing an incredibly well funded enemy who is highly trained and already has many millions of operatives and potential assets imbedded into every level of our infrastructure.
@@mogged1181 we're already losing the drug war. Have been for decades.
Experts say there are roughly 175,000 people working for the cartels in Mexico. This isn't some small time Miami drug kingpin we are talking about here. You're not going to be able to defeat that many people with a few thousand special operations guys. I don't care how badass they are.
These imbeciles really can't comprehend this. Very sad to see this happening 😅😅😅😅😅
@@cartesian_doubt6230 I think theyre estimated to be like the fifth largest employer in the country. Thats a big network.
Lmaoo there’s a lot more than 175,000 bud 😂
@@JR7600 You working for them?
Try a million strong
You mean the cartels that were trained by American Spec Ops guys? Definitely a good idea...
What? Even the cartels members trained by mexican spec ops guys are very strange, imagine the cartel members trained by foreign soldiers. The people use to think that you give two steps and you found a cartel member that was a mexican soldier, when they are very strange, only bodyguards of kingpins
The tailban didn't have unlimited resources speak our language know how we think have govt bought and have millions of operators in the homeland.
It’s as if letting in everyone from Mexico was a bad idea
Bingo 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
And didn't those guys now own Afghanistan?
So you think we should just let it continue? Put down the crackpipe for a while.
@@chachis-censored. What’s being explained here as it’s foolish to start. Because once you open this can of worms, we will never be able to close it, and it will only become a worse problem than it currently is now. A materialistic operation will not solve this problem.
Oh by the way…The US SOF have been training these South Americans/Cartels since the 80s
Just like we trained the Mujahideen in the 70s-80s against the Soviets
Just like we trained Sadaam Hussein and his troops also in the 80s
And through all that what did we win…🤔0️⃣🤷🏾♂️
Come Mr. Kelechia give a rest, we trained the Mujahideen in the 70's and 80's to fight the Russians who were the aggressors in Afghanistan, so how in the heck were we supposed to know that the Mujahideen were going to evolve into our enemies 20 plus years later, unless we had a "crystal ball!" The same applies for the other groups as well. Regards, Denis Berte' USMC (Nam 70-71).
What about God?
@@denisberte778because that school they went was against human rights
The point is that they are military trained, so it's not like we're going up against a bunch of noobs@@denisberte778
Btw who supplies the Cartel with all the machine guns, grenades, and weapon systems???? Guess who...Willy Wonka, no the United States
The mexican army and police. That guns are illegal for US civilians.
Lost me off the bat, how many Americans have suffered or died because of cartels? No mercy for them. Our war with cartels is a total different fight. Plus we have tech you cant imagine. Take out their money
Japan did the “take away the money” with convicted members of the Yakuza families. They don’t just send you to jail in Japan, your family loses the bank accounts because you got convicted.
The money is in USA banks. Mexican banking system can’t handle the large sums of money created by cartels. Question is why hasn’t the USA government taken or frozen that money? It’s not like it’s chump change. We’re talking dozens of billions of dollars a year. USA has penalized American banks for laundering that money before. They know where it is. They know where it comes from and who it belongs to. Why hasn’t your country confiscated that money?
I agree and also the Mexican people WANT the US to come ..from the people I’ve spoke to
I do not think he is suggesting many have not suffered, many have. He is only noting this is much more difficult than a feel good spectacle of dropping a hew hats on the ground. Until you can figure out addiction, root out the cartel elements already in the US, then a military response will not have the effect you hope for
Bro you dont know how much info the cartels have they probably know more than the CIA about Mexicans and Americans in south.
The Cartels are verh damgerous because you dont k ow how many will pop up if you kill one
The US legal system would collapse without the drug trade.The courts the Lawyers and Law Enforcement all need the drug trade.
Truth Stings 😮😮😮😮😮, that was a good 👍 1.
Put down the needle.
@@chachis-censored Flop
you mean you
The lawyers love being paid in cash. Politicians are mainly ex-lawyers. Ninety percent of prison inmates are on drugs, so take drugs away and the private prison system would also go broke. Drug rehab centers would be gone. Doctors would lose work.Pharmaceutical companies U.S. Customs would have to sack 80% of their staff. Companies that supply drug detection equipment would be gone. Law enforcement equipment suppliers would lose business. The DEA would have to cut most of their employees.The Government would not earn money from the billions of dollars of illegal cash and assets the seize every year. The drug trade gives legitimate work to millions of Americans and American companies.
The war on drugs is 1 big money spinner.
We cant deal with problems like these with shackles of our code and morals
Getting rid of the cartels will create a huge power, vacuum … it’s crazy how we never learned from our mistakes
The power vacuum being CJNG gunning for control as Sinaloa and others ascend into chaos and rivalry. Its happening already, what happens next is a crap shoot.
It would also create a humanitarian crisis as residents of northern Mexico flood across the US/ Mexico border to escape the fighting and cruise missile/ drone attacks. In many places the cartels are the acting government and provide civil services. The violence could cause people to flood the border.
Can you explain "power vacuum" for who? China?
well you send a message, when have we ever sent a huge message to mexico? We sent one back in the day to teach the cartel and they never touched a american for years. Edit: Decades This all let the countries fighting them catch up as they are not in a wasteland. For example mexico military will have a better time dealing with them after we are done weakening them. Cartels also have no loyalty. Loyaalty is weakness in the cartel as betrayal is your way to the top.
I am still “out” on this topic but one thing I can say to this comment is this: if the cartels are gone there are only two entities who can fill in the void. Mexican Government or the US Government. But again thats a big, huge, massive “if this happens,” with all the implications and variables that come with said statement.
Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Just dont do drugs. Problem solved.
@@eliw6607 man, if only that answer actually solved the problem lol an answer that isnt working is not a good answer.
what about the human trafficking?? Forget about the girls?
Just say no? The cocaine business is bigger in 2024,than when I was a commissioned officer in the U.S. Army S.F.,in 1981. I've been all over Central and South America,and this has only gained in proportion. Mexico is merely the last leg of the journey into the U.S..
It's NOT ONLY drugs! Let the druggies off themselves if that's what they want. We CAN'T allow their corrupt presence to go unabated!!
@@MP-db9sw not working? What do you mean..? It works just fine
I'm sure Trump and 'team' know exactly where, who, how, and what to hit when the gloves come off!
I think the government needs to first look at this with the Mexican government and strategize carefully before enacting a course of action. But if every state will go after the cartels equally and root out the problem up here first, then act nationwide the course of action can be set in a way that does not start a never ending war that drags on like so many conflicts we've gotten into in the past that dragged on and on with nothing resolved.
The entire thing must be handled carefully both diplomatically and militarily to lessen the impact on our citizenship and the people directly in the line of fire.
You're totally correct in your estimation of the problems that could arise.
I was an analyst for 14 yrs for a 3 letter agency. I don't say any of this lightly. 5 stars guys! You're really on top of this!
Yeah you were just an analyst. And you weren’t doing any analyzing on Mexico or cartels. Especially since neither of them have been declared an ITO or state-sponsor. They have and will continue to do extreme things to destroy us. We need to do the same. This country is in its current state because of weakness. Hopefully Trump can fix some of that.
The Mexican Government???????
Please say your were joking on that one......
The Mexican Government and 9 /10ths of their intelligence is corrupt..........in some way or form , every single last one of them in any position of power is corrupt.........or they would be muertos....and you know it.......
There is no organizing or joint operations with Mexico on this one......
Example.....When the Mexican Army or Police take out any one Cartel or Cartel Cell and televise it, that means one of or all of the other Cartels paid into the pool to have that particular target taken out........and their territory absorbed right into the others operations.........
There is no cooperation with the Mexican Government if this happens.........none.
Also, if we do get the green light, there should be no Cartel prisoners or deals made.......period.
IMO.....
I commented something similar but didn't put it near as eloquently. Decided to leave it to experts. But I know nothing formal of diplomacy or international relations and still can see that all out military action is probably not a good solution. Get rid of the problem at home and go from there.
I’m glad we have people like you. Thank you.
@@txchick1111 did you just have my comment deleted????
That would mean you do not think the Mexican Government is corrupt................................
And that a cooperation of anykind would be successful taking down the Cartels once and for all......
Interesting.....
Senior SF NCO’s don’t want to be recalled because they’ve forgotten their oaths, are wealthy and living good lives.
I’m retired LE. You are correct. It is a much bigger problem than taking them out in Mexico. And yes, the cartel is everywhere in the US.
Thank you for a thoughtful discussion on downstream effects.
It seems if demand remains constant, and the supply apparatus still exists from a macro perspective level, nothing will change.
Corollary to the above, presumably Xi, Putin, et al, already arm and train many of these groups.
The government doesn’t actually want drug smuggling, sale, and consumption to stop. The powers that be are making far too much money through the prison industrial complex and the industries that support the “war on drugs”.
The only way you win a war on drugs is improve the conditions of people using drugs so they are less likely to fall into hopelessness and addiction.
It’s Mexico. Not the mountains of Afghanistan. You’re telling me we can’t find them on satellite? We have a huge drone fleet. Problem solved. At the very least we send a few msgs that way. Stay on your side of the fence.
You obviously haven't been to Mexico or saw the many different types of mountain ranges, which some look like Afghanistan
Uh well for one thing, Mexico is like 3 times the size of Afghanistan. For another, Mexico IS incredibly mountainous and not only that, a good amount of that mountainous terrain is covered in thick jungle. They discover new Mayan ruins all the time. Yeesh. Read a book. 😂
@ reading a book will help answer these questions? 😂 name a book that will give me answers to this topic genius
@ no. I haven’t been to Mexico. Not only do I think it’s stupid to go there but I also don’t want to give money to a country that supports and works with groups that have always been terrorists. The boy just now been classified as such. I haven’t seen plenty of documentaries that have taken place in Mexico and from 99% of the footage shown, it’s mostly barren flat(ish) dirt. How much of Mexico is mountainous or has dense vegetation? Is that where the cartels are? Ou can say that? Because you know how? 33% of Mexico is forest (google) and that’s the lower portion of of the country. The “western 3rd” is mountainous. You think the cartels are operating from the mountains? Do you know what the word “logistics” means? Imagine trying to make and distribute drugs in mountains. Imagine hiding that kind of operation in the mountains. The taliban was hiding in the mountains. Not running an enterprise.
I don't know if this is what must be done, but something must be done.
Let me guess: these two are “former CIA contractors”
With a tampon in there
Thank you gentlemen. I appreciate listening to your thoughts and ideas on this topic
Where’s the rest of the video where they come up with a solution?
Apparently their “solution” is to f@cking surrender and just hand America over to the cartels.
Ridiculous take. Ain’t no small time cartel guys on this side of the border going to risk life in prison to create chaos. These are small time thugs, they would stand down and fracture quickly if they were declared terroist.
Right. MONEY IS THE MOTIVE! Ain't no political or religious ideology to stand and die for. It's just business.
@@dfm4188 a lot of people in that life are in so deep that theyre already facing the risk of death or life in prison. Its literally part of the job.
Lmfaooo I’m sorry to tell you but there are plenty that would do that 😂😂😂 you have no grip on reality at all
@@dfm4188wrong
@@JR7600 so you think if we started routing out the Cartels In Mexico we would have all out chaos In the United States, with a bunch of Isis level trained small time guys here in the US blowing everything thing up and invading our neighborhoods and city’s just because Chapo gives them a call telling them they will get $1Million if they do so??? Yeah they are in deep, but most of them know that their own cartels are corrupt and would probably not even be able to get them half of what $$ they are promised to create a big enough terror to make any difference. I think you watch to many cartel docs brotha. 🤣
End the war on drugs. Why is that not obvious to everyone?
So make fentanyl, heroin, meth, cocaine legal? NOT
@@klawockkidd3426 phrama companies can be regulated and taxed and can settle their disputes in court. Cartels cant be regulated or taxed and settle their disputes with violence. Treating drugs like a medical and mental health issue instead of a criminal issue reduces addiction rates, crime rates, incarceration rates, ODs, and generally save tons of taxpayer money.
@@klawockkidd3426 Prohibition DOESNT WORK. It just builds mafias and cartels. Thats historical fact. Pharma companies can be regulated and taxed and settle disputes in court. Cartels cant be and they settle disputes with violence. Treating drug use as medical and mental health issue instead of criminal issue reduces addiction rates, crime rates, incarceration rates, ODs and just generally saves tons of taxpayer dollars.
Because they dont want to hear it. They see it through a lens of moral judgment rather than a lens of simple cause and effect. From that perspective it isnt the deaths or the crimes or broken families that are the problem, its the moral evil of the drugs themselves. Oddly, they dont feel that way about alcohol or tobacco or prescription meds.
@@MP-db9swI see this glaringly in the many people I know addicted to Adderall but decry street meth as dirty.
People are pretentious moralist hypocrites by nature. This is why this will never happen
So awesome to see you back Mike and taking numbers. I know you have been threw some serious shit... We are behind you 100%. Cheers
I'm a minute in and dude has spit more facts in my opinion than many politicians speak in their whole career
Fax
He is right. This is an intelligence mission-not a military operation
So what’s your grand plan then Army boy? Sit here and let them smuggle more fentanyl and terrorists into our country?
As a US.Marine this video made me cringe so hard.
We are the ones buying and using. Nobody forcing it into arms. We beg for it.
Its a billion dollar business, no one is letting anyone do anything. The notion we lost the drug war because we didn't try hard enough is silly.
@@graywind4326 Always blaming the victim. Spoken like someone iwth the psychological profile of a social-path or psychopath. Typical and predictable like everyone else that makes that exact same argument and thinks that exact same way. Like a true predator without common sense or a conscious or critical thinking skills.
Always justifying evil and rationalizing it because the victim wanted it. Its so CRINGE. It doens't matter that Americans are the ones buuuying and using, that doesn't logically justify just doing nothing to stop it or change the situation!
@@PrinceoftheVioletFlame Just pointing out why it is a billion dollar business. We have been doing plenty for years to stop it from coming across. New people use drugs every day. Learned nothing I guess from those already using and dying. You think the military will stop it your mistaken.
Agreed!; you've an extremely good point Sir.
Take care!.🤔🤔🤔👍👍
Then what is the solution, because doing nothing isn't an option and shouldn't be.
Absolutely correct
The cartels dont have a chance 😂
True, I'm seeing alot of comments about 'long term consequences', but look at the consequences that have already occurred and how many have already died and suffered from loss of family members, torture, human and drug trafficking.
It would be like Vietnam inside American neighborhoods
Why? Nobody is just gonna sacrifice their lives for the Cartel that’s being threatened with a Terrorist watchlist. You act like Mexican Americans aren’t armed patriots.
Yea but you’re not thinkikg about the amount of innocent Mexican lives that will be caught in the crossfire. “Mexican Americans” will see the amount of innocent lives getting killed and that could turn many people to not exactly fight for the cartel, but to fight against the superpower that is killing their lived ones back home
@@Revokerr-jp1bz Lmao I’ve seen my people shoot, no one needs to be worried.
Sit-Rep: Deploy "Special Activities Center."
Result: Collaterals subtracted from the equation
AAR: N/A
"This we do that others may live."
Guess what kids. Cartels have people in the states as well. Just have to get to switches turned on.
then ill start as well im not color blind either.
All those rich people and DC establishment absolutely LOVE their Coca Cola. Time for that to end by any means.
Just give the Mexicans spectre and A-10 support .
They’re capable of sorting out the ground work .
You don’t get to start a war with a country and go to sleep at night when its your neighbor
So instead let them flood the country with drugs and sleep at night knowing they will continue to flood the country with more drugs while doing nothing instead. With millions dead already from overdoses.
Its like having a bully punch you in the face repeatedly. And not doing anything to stop it. And then arguing against .... trying to fight back.
This is a lot deeper and more complex than most trigger puller/pipe hitter types will understand.
The opening statement here
That’s what concerns me
The cartels are knee deep in every part of our daily life. There’s no way they can’t be
Would the US become more at risk of terror attacks if we went to war with cartels? Cartels are already operating on this side of the border and if we took the fight to them I feel they might have their people start committing some major terror attacks throughout the US.
@@InfamousAustinT0 they would. Theres about 8 million people addicted to illegal drugs in this country. Thats not counting the cartel members, themselves. Just the legions of addicts at their disposal.
Yes. Our elected policy writers have decided on our behalf and this apparently is the lesser of the two evils. So here we are.
If they start committing terror attacks on us, it would just piss the American people off that much more, causing the public to rally behind the war and be willing to take the gloves off.
Its stupid.... and illogical and would only backfire on the cartels. They are able to use torture and terror to instill fear and control the defenseless public in Mexico. But this is America... and this is war. Its like when Hitler bombed London, it turned all of Great Britian against Hitler and they all became patriotic and pro war and would do anything to defeat Hitler from then on out.
But let me ask you this... what is the alternative? The government do nothing while millions die of overdose ever year? Is that better? someone is dying either way. It is a cruel world. Always has been. At least using the military to fight back with men willing to die to protect the country. Its their job ad they know what they are in for. At least that amounts to something doesn't it?
War and death has been with humankind for thousands of years. You modern people are too domesticated and accustomed to peace and fail to realize sometimes war is necessary and yes costly. But that is a part of life.
After all of the wars the USA has been involved in, fighting for rich old white men. Fighting wars we dont belong in such as Ukraine and yet the ruling class are perfectly ok with fighting these wars that the American people don't want. Now we finally get a war that the American public wants, and our ruling class doesn't want it. Fascinating how that works? It goes to show you who really rules AMerica and who they are alligned with and work for, Cartels..
This is one war the public and American people can actually get behind and understand and WANTS. Because every family in this country knows someone that died of an overdose. The American people hate the Cartels. Rightly so.
Nixon's neverending war on drugs (1971) has made $billions for those politically connected, yet demand is still undiminished in America. Somebody needs an Economics 101 class in supply & demand.
Cartels will united and they will have a big fucking army with alot of them with special forces trained
Yup…
You act like Mexicos neighbor isn’t the country where you can simply buy guns at Walmart, a country that specializes in covert and guerrilla warfare and is the most advanced country in the world. Good luck
Bah, they are already betraying himselfs all time, and they have complicity of mexican and us authorities. They would became paranoid, erratic and distrutful in a scenary of real war.
Finally someone with common sense when it comes to this topic. They need to stop asking the usual egotistical special ops guy about this subject.
It makes me so happy to see these discussions. I've been saying this for years as a Navy IS and former missionary kid living in Mexico
Just glad either of you aren't active duty.
“You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass,”
Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto of the Imperial Japanese Navy during World War II.
Cartel members are already here and they can cause damage
It’s impossible to destroy cartels in Mx , y’all will see later ….. it’s like putting ur hand inside a bee hive 🐝 🐝 😂😂😂
Sure, some individuals will escape and integrate someway back into their society. But the fact that they are labeled terrorists now, you can be sure that their operations will be shattered and thereafter much more scrutiny and security and intelligence gathering and other special ops operations. Trust me, when it's said and done, Mexican citizens (and those within it's government) will be afraid to associate or get involved with those that are labeled terrorists now. The cartels really don't have a chance now. This was a long time coming, but it's here. Get ready.
Any idea is better than no idea
yep
Bad ideas are sometimes WAAAY worse than no ideas and good ideas are always better than bad ideas.
@@MP-db9swWrong, when it comes to warfare and military ops. , making a move is better than just sitting there waiting for your opponent too.
Usually by then it’s too late.
@@Paladin.Brandis Idk man, convincing me that Invading Vietnam or more recently, Iraq worked out better for our country (or the world) than not invading them would have is... probably a hard sell. But please, convince me if you can.
No… the law of untended consequences disagrees… this requires chess, 5-10 moves predictively planned.
This is exactly where my mind went when I first heard the idea of taking military action against cartels. Yes, I do believe something desperately needs to be done, but make no mistake about how this could potentially turn out. Their tactics would be far different from the type of military action that is typically shaped by politics where the support of the masses is the end goal. Their desperation would exponentially increase their brutality. Imagine American politicians and prominent business leaders & decision makers' bodies hanging from bridges, full scale marshal law, curfews, disruption to commerce, people terrified to go to public places out of fear of indiscriminate public shootings, etc.. These people have no sense of morality to prevent them from engaging in the most heinous acts you can imagine. Lets face it, guerrilla style warfare against people dressed as civilians is not what our military excels at. Think about the internment camps that were created for Japanese-Americans during WW2. That would be the level of discrimination we could see again if things get bad enough.
It sounds like a great idea in theory!! But as long as you have demand for the product all you're doing is creating more violence and higher prices for the product. We learned this throughout alcohol prohibition, and we know how that turned out💀💀💀
The States have to commit to getting help - real help for the homeless. California has a racket going whereby all the money for the homeless goes into the officials pockets. Get a hotel, set it up as a real medical drug hospital. Get other empty hotels and make them into lovely mental facilities which are safe for the patients and staff. We have to do that in every city of every state. Our responsibility.
One question I have is “if we focus on the Mexican Cartel, would Cartel’s from other countries that already operate in America pick up where they left off?”
Give cartels Mexico. Spoil the players. Make them legit government if they agree to fix their shit. All their kids go to good schools. Nobody fights.
In similar way to what has happened in Afghanistan couple years back
This will end like Afghanistan
America wants to go into Mexico for the minerals
Lithium the new oil
It’s what the Chinese are doing there.
Sound likely
@@Michael-en7of Yeah but peacifically
wow, very thoughtful
Finally, some actual commmon sense.
Exactly, there would instantly be Cartel Terrorists cells in every state in America conducting Ops against citizens and infrastructure. Local LEO isn't prepared to deal with this. Sheepdog veterans would act but organization would take too long.
They know better than to retaliate on american turf
Why not if the US is going after them? Getting busted by Mexican police or US border patrol is just the price of doing business. Getting raided by JSOC or having your house hit by US cruise missiles is something else.
They would retaliate if it's war
It would just turn the American public against them that much harder. And the Americans who are divided on the war, would unite behind it out of rage. That much more resources would be poured into fighting them in response. Not what the Cartels want. Bad for business.
The same way great britian was divided on the war against Germany but after Germany bombed London it caused their people to become united against Germany and want to war them.
The same way the middle east turned against America for occupying its homeland. If the cartels want to try to commit terror in America it will make them look bad, and people will start to want to wage war against them, including people who were on the fence.
No No No, the U.S. has so many of these three letter organizations (FBI, DEA, ATF, DHS) so why not use them to locate the cartel members HERE IN THE U.S. and get them first?
All hands on deck
don't need troops to fight cartells...we have drones ...lol
All they'd have to do is fluctuate the flow of drugs and the amount of chaos that would happen throughout all of North America would be astronomical.
Imagine every addict dope sick for a couple days and then when the market gets flooded again all the overdoses.
@@270Remi most people in these comments dont care. They dont use and believe no one they care about uses. To them its just a bunch of people who dont matter, anyway. Fact I bet a lot of these folks think it would be a good thing.
@ I was just looking at the amount of strain on the system that it would cause, not even the personal side of it all.
Even during the Rona lockdowns liquor stores were open to prevent alcoholics from detoxing and bogging down the healthcare system in mass.
@@270Remi not only the clog that it would put on everything related to first response but what if the orders came down for people to say "hey, no one else can get anything but if you do X or Y little job for me, I'll make sure youre taken care of" ? I wont comment specific ideas of what addicts could be tasked to do but I'll say that hurting people will do most anything to stop hurting. If little as 5 percent of the addicts in every city were given "assignments" it could be...well it could be really bad lol
@@MP-db9sw cartels would probably use addicts and civilians as cannon fodder both in there side and over in the US
Sounds like something out of a movie. Gonna have cartels in our cities luring junkies
the War on Drugs has been ongoing for approximately 53 years, characterized by various policy approaches that have not effectively curtailed drug flow or consumption within the United States.
The corruption is easy to explain. "Either do business with us and make some money or we come for you and the ones around you"
What would you do?
plata o plomo - silver or lead.
@@klawockkidd3426 (plata o plomo - uncle Pablo Escobar) por supuesto. Dame la plata por favor.
You know back in the old world. They didn't have this problem. Because they were tough on crime. You want to act like animals and be cruel as a criminal organization? In the ancient world good luck with that. The entire world was as cruel if not crueler and would gladly respond in kind and would not tolerate it.
The only reason they get away with it in the modern world is the modern world tolerates it because they handicap themselves with their own morals.
@PrinceoftheVioletFlame if you aren't handicapped by morality then you'd be able to look at the issue as a medical issue rather than a moral or criminal one. It's the fact that people are completely handicapped to their moral (or just moralising) biases that is the real problem. No amount of morality is going to change the basic laws of supply and demand and the acquisition of wealth at any cost.
Send Special Forces to the next Phish show
The Romeo Oscar Echo will make it challenging when anything goes on the opposing side in conjunction with the systemic cancer around the power vacuum😊
Nayib Bukele from El Salvador did an amazing job and took the correct action by focusing locally.
The issue can be eliminated, just a matter of whether we have the will to do what must be done to do so.
It's wild people think the solution to winning the drug war is so simple. It's as if the 30 year drug war from the 70s through the 90s never happened.
The devil is always in the details - but disrupting/containing the cartels deserves serious consideration.
Just saying, follow the money and resources finances. Cutting others motivation.
They already do
My bro who don't know what is money laundering:
Couriers and cartel members in the United States aren't trained to be guerilla soldiers in the United States and the United States citizens are well armed and can take care of things like that.
Outstanding channel. No BS
For the people already here, the money stops, they stop.
I feel like Trump saw the early cut of Sicario in 2015 and based his speech on the movie😂😂😂
Designating the cartel as a foreign terrorist organization is not just about sending troops.
It means that the playing field has changed.
Cartels are already too comfortable stashing 80% of their wealth in the USA and that's the first thing the Administration will go after then next is to flag their money operations across country.
By now they will be desperate and once this happens time for them to engage reapers and once reapers deal enough damage then special forces moves in.
2 months and a half max.
Do you guys think that using Spec Ops against cartels could draw the US into an unintended situation like Israel - Gaza, of a decades long back and forth tit for tat strikes on both sides of the border???
It's already a known fact within MX that US spec ops have been operating in Mexico for quite a while now
No, not at all, because the cartels are a criminal organization that neither the US, nor the Mexican government, support their existence. The US and Mexican population as a whole are also in agreement that the cartel should not be this big and powerful and should be taken down. Plus, we're both democratic countries with similar religions, and we both trade extensively. No matter how you look at it, we, generally speaking, are friendly with one another, and we both hate the cartel.
Now, all it's going to take is the willingness and determination from both the Mexicans, and the Americans, to cooperate with each other in order to take action against the criminal organizations of the cartel. Nothing more, and nothing less.
There is a lot more. To win we would have to fight to win. That means getting nasty, which we did in WW2. They say Israel is doing Genocide, what does one think the Allies did in WW2? We bombed cities and the corresponding areas into rubble and ashes. It isnt told much but what we did to Dresden is worse than Hiroshima. The cartels arent going to follow any convention rules, so it will get very ugly. What very few think about is all our electric substations are unprotected easy targets. It would not take a whole lot to make things ugly here in the USA real quick. The citizens of the countries would have to be on board and realize what we would be getting into. Everyone would have to be armed and have to be ready to use it.
1. don’t compare Israel’s capabilities to the US
2. Our veterans could do the job themselves, there’s millions of veterans fit for duty.
3. None of my cholo friends are dumb enough to throw away their lives because Jefe Jalisco sauce said to be his sleeper agents and cause chaos.
Glass.
Nothing but glass.
That'll show them.
Never seen so many ex soldiers cowarding down 😂😂😂
I almost can’t believe it. Sums ups these later generations. Grow a pair
Your mistake is thinking you can use the military as the easy button, stop watching action movies
Think Aircraft Carrier. Air Strikes. Lazed up. Predator Drones. Dynamic Precision Strikes.
Very bad decision I’m telling you why the cartels have tier one guys working for them
They’ve had SF and SEALs train them but no one from DEVGRU or Delta has worked for them before. They keep track of you when you leave those units. If you went down there the FBI/DEA would wrap you up once you got back stateside.
If this happens it will be a shit show because in reality, we haven’t ever fought cartels and they will be unpredictable.
Bro the cartels hire ex spec ops dudes to train their guys lol
Exactly..back when I served way back in the 90s the Cartels were actively trying to recruit both active duty and former military personnel of specific MOS's to act as trainers....leadership was well aware of this and we were advised strongly that it was in our best interest to avoid such efforts and entanglements..highly doubt they just gave up those pursuits..especially given the power an persuasion of $ in today's world
The ex-spec ops last like 9 months, and the guys who they trained like 3 XD
All i know is that America needs to fix this problem now without hesitation
BRING IT ON FOOL ... YOU WILL HAVE ALL YA ENEMIES AT YOUR BACK DOOR. ... CHINA RUSIA NORTH KOREA AND IRAN BCHHHH
It's a great idea. We need this stopped. Whatever it takes.
CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER