The Origin: How Did China Become So Tied to Mexican Cartels? (with Former DEA Chief, Ray Donovan)
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- In this episode of Borderland, Vince sits down with former DEA Chief of Operations, Ray Donovan, to break down the connection between China and Mexico in the fentanyl trade. They talk about how Chinese suppliers are fueling Mexican cartels with the chemicals needed to make fentanyl, and the challenges that come with taking on this deadly international pipeline.
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Great interview again Vince love the work you guys of ironclad are doing
Most complete and knowledgeable account I’ve ever heard of what’s going on, this guy knows his stuff! Great interview!
Come to the round table with Trump ❤...and yes .. ... Vote trump
Ed Calderon pal
As Americans I think we need to clean up pedophiles. If we wanna stop people from becoming drug addicted we need to take a look at our pharmaceutical industry who starts giving children pills at such young ages which I’ve noticed especially in the college age then changes to other addictions. A lot of kids who are prescribed adderall later turn to cocaine.
Okay guys as a Mexican-American who travels to home state of Guanajuato I have seen the Chinese in Mexico for as long as manufacturing started. I can only speak for what I’ve seen but in Guanajuato but the CEOs of alot of factories are Chinese. My relatives casually mention how their bosses are Chinese.
Which is surprising because Mexico kicked out all the Chinese in the 30s and 40s
@@MbisonBalrog apparently not though.
@@MbisonBalrogno they didn’t 😂😂😂 there are thousands of Chinese in Mexico, Mexico City is the biggest city in the world and has every race
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. That’s how
I’m surprised he didn’t mention the farming in Mexico, the cartels and the Chinese are taking over farms in MX too. When you buy an avocado guess who gets paid?
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If we care so much about stopping addiction we should start with the pharmaceutical industry who has children high on pills at a young age. Then they get to an adult age and transform to “illegal” drugs rather than the “legal” ones prescribed by a doctor. Big example is adderall. All of college I noticed the kids who really get into cocaine often times are the ones who have been on adderall for most of their lives.
You are so right 👍
I agree 💯...
What's sad is in America, you can get methamphetamine salts through a monthly subscription just like paying your cell phone or Netflix bill.
There's an entire multiple generations now, since , 2000 addicted and have their brains forever changed by Adderall which is just a mixture of Amphetamine salts...
I won't associate or involve myself with people struggling with active monster addictions, as I am not a social worker, I'm not a drug counselor,
If people need professional help, there is help,
You have to want to change...
Unfortunately millions of Americans due to social media and the entertainment industry is on the same drugs they claim to be against.
I.E.Ariana Grande, Mac Miller,
Prince I believe someone murdered him to get to his royalties and millions... How does a full bottle of Hydrocodone which is relatively safe, get one single pill laced out of 30 or more ... With a super deadly dose of fentanyl...
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The Origin: How Did CIA Become So Tied to Mexican Cartels and Colombian Cartels? (with Former DEA Chief, Ray Donovan)
And let's go deeper on the origin of of the CIA involvement. The CIA is a lapdog of Israel. As such... how did Mossad and the State of Israel get so involved in the cartels? Why were Mossad agents teaching torture techniques to Zetas back in the day?
@@hokroeger think about it……. Why u think everything so “top secret”
Is this true or is it propaganda? How come non of these guys ever acknowledge that Raegan gave cia associates permission to sell the cocain that fueled the crack epidemic. Or that Kiki Camarena discovered cia involvement cartels and then tortured and killed him. The cartel kidnapped him but the spooks did the rest. I mean without going too crazy Obama and Holder sent assault weapons to the Sinaloa cartel. Operation Fast and Furious. The biggest drug dealer may be ever Ismael el Mayo Zambada was "kidnapped" by el Chapos son and turned over to the FBI. Zambadas brother and son got slaps on the hands for being top level drug dealers. Genaro García Luna is a former Mexican government official, engineer, and convicted drug trafficker. He served as Secretary of Public Security in the federal cabinet of Felipe Calderón. Garcia Luna had cia clearance. China did it
Sinaloan and Jalisco Cartels: Ayyy Gringo hold our TEQUILAs 🥃
@@user-we4hw1nt8y Nothing there is "top-secret". Everyone knows, but everyone is trying to forget the truth.
" Exmilitares Colombianos, la nueva ARMA del Cártel Jalisco Nueva Generación para EXPANDIR su PODER" (RUclips).
I grew up in a small town and the dare program was my first introduction to drugs and to be honest it just made me more curious and led me to try things. I wanted to see what all the fuss was about.
All those nice DARE officers were just looking for job security and figured they'd be arresting us for drugs in another 3-4 years.
Iron Clad's content, more specifically "Borderland," is excellent and informative. Another podcast of similar excellence is the Center for Secure Free Society (CSFS), headed up by Joseph Humire (JH). CSFS's "Borderwars" is an equally informative source. Excellent work Mr. Vargas.
Modern day Opium Wars
is ironic isnt it? China doing West dirty like West did China dirty. But still I hear opium like it was back then is not nearly as bad.
He’s wrong. It was the DEA 2006 ban of nasal decongestant purchases and handed it right over to them Lol.
Obviously you don't have the background that Vince or any of his guests have.
Shake and bake crude meth production, and there is no ban on Sudafed
You just have to be a law abiding citizen and have a license to get it behind the pharmacy counter.
You clearly have no idea what volume means...
What's the real crime is the American government and pharmaceutical industry monopoly...
If in just the U.S.A pharm companies spend hundreds of billions of dollars...
If the DEA would have just gotten people on opioid maintenance therapy instead of people using street drugs... They could have fixed the problem before it snowballed....
Instead, people with chronic pain can't even get opioid pain medication,
And worse than that. The US pharmaceutical companies blame Mexico.
At some point, people must realize with fentanyl and fentanyl analogues they are 100-1000x more potent than morphine and heroin....
When people have down regulated their receptors to the point that has happened. No amount of maintenance therapy will save them...
Abstinence, ketamine therapy(for those on Tranq),
The American people deserve solutions.
Not tossing the problem onto Mexico.
With the 100,000+ dead due to the opioid epidemic....
Things do not look good.
Opium Wars vs Fentanyl and Fentanyl Analogue (super synthetics) have literally no comparison...
Same thing happened with the DEA restricting oxycodone and Xanax in 2011/2012…
Better to deal with the devil you know… (I guess)
100% correct. Never involved with meth personally I do know many criminals, I'm an ex con, I remember them talking at length about the business. And I heard the same story again and again.
So what your saying is that they should have keep letting smurfs buy pseudoephedrine and let our drug companies make the money instead of pushing them to china for chemicals
@@5150lefont and not making fentanly schedule 1
The government has ties to Cartels. Black budget money!?
For example, the Contras!
Duuuhhh.. who do you think started the cartels?? CIA
Were those femicides mentioned in the opening theme murdered directly by a cartel, or independent criminals who may have done some work for the Cartels as associates?
The femicide honestly was a whole collective of random criminal entities organizations and individuals who would target similar looking females , most of the time , so it can’t be pined on a sole organization, but word is that the cartel based in Juarez might have ahem or definitively inspired the violence , but don’t get it twisted because the USA has its fair share of thrill seekers and complete psychopaths particularly the “crusade” kind if u kno what I mean
Pierre rausini on the Matthew cox podcast has an awesome perspective on this topic y’all should check em out
Pierre- wait let me take out my notes. Haha
I think this guy and Pierre together would be good. Compare notes.
Believe it or not, a lot of times China ship directly to the United States.
This is an awesome channel, love the content!!
If you don't think the Democrats are getting a laundered cut of this, you've been dancing at the debutante's ball way too long.🥴
As a Democrat I’ve never received a penny of this so called laundered cut. Your Magat math failed you again.
Democrats?
Man bruh payback for the opium wars… 😢
That was UK, but honestly kind of.
what does america have to do with that ? lol the uks doin fine, they jus buy a bag of coke when they get a little too drunk lol
Make TEQUILAs Great Again 🥃 Sinaloan Cartel 😎
Yea but 10 fold...thats like the US dropping a JDAM and china decides to drop a nuke in retaliation.
I've been saying this is the modern day opium wars for years now.
Well its not the UK you say...?
In the mid to late 1800's the UK had the biggest navy on the globe, since WW2 it's been the US...while China plays the long game.
How else would every other drug have a global demand besides fentanyl if it wasn't so deliberate?
Awesome work brother.
Those eyes aint innocent
Terrific interview
The new head of security of the country is involved in the coverup of a murder of 43 students
Students hijacked a bus transporting heroin (they were going to protest and got into a bus tansporting heroin)
Drug lord sent military and police after his cargo
Students were murdered
This guy is involved in the coverup story that was invented. (he said he was not in the state when the event happened... there are documents that prove he was)
He also recommended another cop to security director of a state after he was signaled as having ties w/org crime.
He did not pass polygraph exam
Internal affairs asked to have hime removed
Does not have the intelligence for the tasks his job requires.
ETC
DO NOT SHARE INFORMATION WITH MEXICAN AUTHORITIES
Mexican Govt at all levels does not want to stop Cartels cuz they are bringing money and wealth to Mexico.
Si lo que dice es verdad, la karma va feo porque aquí en Nashville, Tennessee miro mucho heroin abusadores
Finally somebody talk about Chinese mafia.
Bro sounds mad PTSD
The evil men do for silver and gold, and the power of darkness
blame the british and us. they had nothing to trade for tea, so they brought dope in. very evil anglos.
animals adapt to their enviroment. they will try and survive. we must try they dont
callled the opium wars britian started.
Dare program did work surprisingly most kids that went thru dare at school ended up on drugs, it’s actually starting to make a comeback but schools haven’t had dare come in since the early 2000s so all my years of school(2003-2017) I didn’t have one dare program show up to school, now dare is showing back up but in mostly poverty areas
America is more involved than most would like to admit its alot of money changing hands
If you OD from fentanyl it shouldn’t be blamed on the dealer because they made the choice to use fentanyl and they didn’t do the same when people were dieing from heroin, this is a new thing prosecuting dealers with homicide when they sold to someone who chose and wanted that specific drug you can’t blame the dealer for the users actions
Purdue pharma started it n china is finishing it
lol your wrong about that see in America the first opioid epidemic was the opium dens that the Chinese ran then it was heroin in the 60s-90s then the oxys came around then it went back to heroin when they cracked down on the doctors prescribing opioids and now it’s fentalyn, this is really the 6th - 7th wave of opioid addiction in the last 124 years
China/CCP or Triads based out of HK, Taiwan, Southeast Asia, and like party in Macau and Singapore. There is difference.
Huge difference this foo prob making stuff up , they like to push that propaganda narrative
The amount of imports and exports? Obviously interaction would take place. Id think.
Yes, but it don’t change nothing
DEA must have missed 2010 San Francisco new "blue heroin" was everywhere.
Legizre codein fetty Market will be gone over night
Because they have a common enemy.
Not necessarily. Scarcity increases the value of things, so in that sense the US is a Wonderful ally...
This issue is so multi-faceted
Opium Wars,
late 90's and early 2000's fentanyl emeragence
And now the fentanyl analogue problem...
2024 its like society is recessing.
Inner City problems...
Americans have more in common with each other than differences.
The sad truth is there is an enormous disconnect between the broadening middle through lower class and those in Washington D.C. making $250,000-$Millions
You are 100% right. But too many of our fellow Americans don't even realize what's going on globally and how foreign enemies see us as being extremely weak right now and all the infighting isn't helping us. Our enemies citizens are united and see us as the common enemy while we sit here and bicker with one another.🙏🇺🇸
You skipped the 80s..with cocaine and crack
@@marvinhagler4721
it's not that I skipped it. It's just crack and cocaine in the late 70's through the 80's, the disco scene, had a different vibe...
It doesn't feel the same, and in my honest opinion isn't the same. Cocaine is out of your system extremely fast, the high doesn't last. Meanwhile, heroin and prescription opioids are 4-6 hour durations... The grip of opioids on people is real.
What's also just as real, is the crack cocaine epidemic. Although due to supply and socio-economic factors it primarily stuck around metropolitan areas.
We are still paying for the Fatherless and fractured family home generations later due to lack of parenting and the mass incarceration of American citizens.
This problem is so multifaceted and literally affects everyone in the U.S.A. nowadays. Whether it be as simple as all the goods being chained and locked at CVS/stores to the extreme copays and cost of insurance premiums and prescription drug prices.
The book, 1984, seems to ring more and more true with each passing decade.
Idealism, Capitalism, Freedom. Freedom isn't free as the saying goes.
We all pay for our sins whether we like it or not.
@@henrygonzalez360I whole heartedly agree.
No matter nationality or race or background. Native American, Hispanic, African-American, or Caucasian.
I'm proud to be an American. We have so much in common, I believe conservative(sober minded) values will prevail. Libertarian and Middle and Lower class have to come together.
If you live in the U.S.A. it still has the ability to be one of the greatest nations on earth.
I just miss the block party's and neighborly love that used to be in the 80's/90's.
@@Vapingin
Thank you 👍🏽🇺🇲.
I'll never lose hope on our country but it just seems like we aren't focused. I know that in my case too many good times led to weakness and loss of opportunities. Just glad that I'm living in a country where we have the opportunity to make something of yourself and create and build for future generations. We as Americans have to remember that we are blessed. 👍🏽🇺🇲🙏🏽💪🏽
Please have Mr.Donovan check the lower left neck. It appears on camera that a lump comes and goes with each breath. Left lower below Adam's apple. I hope it's nothing.
That appears to be a small wrinkle, the flexing and relaxing of his sternocleidomastoid and trachea i.e. a normal human neck in conversation lol what is wrong with you? You can clearly see that his breathing has no effect on. Doesn't move at all as he breathes and speaks, only moves as he moves(once again, like normal). I doubt it but who knows maybe it's a scar or something, it damn sure isn't anything medically significant though. You think he wouldn't have noticed by now? I hope people point out any defects you might have in person too but I'll get the ball rolling here online: you aren't smart. Not even got enough brains to realize that's the lower right side of his neck cuz y'know, the image is reversed. Get your head checked.
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Is this how the Hong Kong Club in Teejay got its name? Did the Cartels gift it to the Triads to solidify their alliance? Or did they use it to entertain
Most likely
Paramilitaries posing as cartels and poor sucker's in the ranks don't even know.
28:32 What?
That was a ludicrous statement
Again everything is made in china…..everything😮
This is pay back for what was done too China in the past.
never ending cycle??
@@kb.e3762 if it keeps up their wont be a cycle. Just a winner . I think we all know whos winning . Lets be clear , the migrants that came through had groups of chinese men not only south americans. IF i were too theory craft & not sound crazy , im sure base or bases got set up over several states by now.
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Blame Obama for all this
Supply and demand as long as there is a market it will never end. They look at it like so what we loose x amount part of business. Not sure what the answer is but I would say drugs on all levels prescribed illegal you name it drugs are winning
I am guessing the Chinese gangs in SGV (LA County) benefit greatly from this relationship. Which then makes it odd that La Eme has a greenlight on Asians in the prisons. Unless La Eme has no relations with the Cartels. But how can they not?
Why do they have a green light on the Asians?
@@tysontickner3655 I dont know, is just what I hear.
Or maybe the other way around. The Chinese gangs don't have any relation to the Chinese suppliers.
@@JohnDoe-qz1ql I can’t see how they can exist without. Or even any point to existing. They make more money by having a relationship.
@@MbisonBalrog Small local gangs?? What would a large international Chinese criminal qroup want with a bunch of hoodlums? Local chinese gangs exist for the reason Any other gang exists.
It's not a mystery nor complicated. LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION !
If that were the only reason Canada would be just as good.
Let’s also be honest. The U.S. economy thrives with drugs. Tickets, court fees, lawyer fees ect. Let’s quit acting like we actually care.
Cockroaches
BS!! 😂😂psyop agent talking to his boss superior😊😂
Why?
2 words. Fentanyl and meth
Two words.
Are the chinese also providing weapons to the cartels as well or is it just drugs
Shit they get most of their guns from The US.
lol they get all their guns from the United States
@Opensourcetradecraft